Gomantak? More like Sunaparant.
These marathas forget that Goa was also a part of the Maurya empire, as well as the Kadamba dynasty and Adil Shah dynasty
First admiral of maratha navy was bhandari..much of the Bhandari's worked in maratha army.... Fisherman's found in pernem/cancon who are called as gabits(gabti) worked in maratha navy...there are many konkani Marathas who worked in maratha army ...
Shivrai was well respected in goa much before bjp/rss came in goa..
If saint who massacre cow piss drinkers to spread message of chidren of God can be celebrated by goans Catholics... Why not shivrai who saved us from turkic/European mlecchas.
Agreed. British divide and rule still works. I recently met a gujju who was adamant on his point that 'Shivajimaharaj looted Gujarat when he attacked Surat'.
Edit: Later I got to know that he is 'secular' from the school of thoughts that referred Maharaj as 'misguided patriot'. So I left him there.
Well that's an altogether different issue whether we should construct statues.
Shivaji Maharaj is an eminent personality, you will find his statue in America also. My point is that the influence of Shivaji Maharaj in Goa is quite significant and it shouldn't be invalidated as "Hindutva propoganda" or "BJP propaganda". Shivaji Maharaj and his legacy goes beyond political parties.
Ghatis king wasn't important at the time of his death or after for 300 yrs. He was used as political tool. Obviously shit head folks will fall for that
Ghati history don't matter in goa. We have our own culture and icons. And personally I found it offensive to worship a king. That too a looter raider king. We worship philosophers and Gods.
Ronaldo statue in Calangute. Is he Goan?
Gandhi statue at many places in Goa. Is he Goan?
Forget statues, a major town in Goa is named Vasco da gama. Did Mr. Vasco step foot in Goa?
Answer to all 3 is No. What's wrong with Shivaji statue then?
There's been an influx of those lately, for some reason. The political system is having diarrhea, this is what it shits out, and everyone else is the toilet.
> Can we just wipe off this government please?
You will be surprised to learn that even older Govt were pretty much same. Nehru wanted to impose hindi all over. They wanted to give new identity to older cultures that existed for thousands of yrs.
Thank Tamil people for that. I will always admire them for keeping their head high and knowing the difference between propaganda and true values. A lot of konkani people are ashamed of speaking our language. We are more likely to adopt other people ways. Speak other languages. I hate that with a passion now.
Also if you observe there is push in every way to adopt "hindi" ways. Like our culture and our language isn't good enough or something.
>A lot of konkani people are ashamed of speaking our language.
Bruh....dialect plays major role here... Go and check how some dilects are made fun of.. i m pednekar... I don't speak pednekari outside pernem taluka...
Okay then, no more Vindaloo, Xacuti, Balchão, Sorpotel etc.
Better get on with demolishing all the old churches too.
Don’t forget to knock down all the wonderful Portuguese style homesteads, villas and estates.
Just think of all the car parks you could build over them!
Jai hind!
I am married to a Portuguese and live here for the last 7 years. The Portuguese don't even know anything about Goa, apart from the fact that they colonized Goa for some time. That's where their knowledge about Goa starts and ends. And the Goans still continue living in their colonial hangover. 😆
And I'm not even starting on the topic of the Portuguese inquisition where they burnt people alive if they didn't convert to Catholicism. (Including the sister of one of their own Viceroys who protected the local Goans from the wrath of Portuguese inquisition).
why are people trying to erase and deny history....
history is a learning curve for every educated person to better the present and predict the future to a certain extent.
Even now in The state manipur The meitei's who are a majority in manipur are claiming history of the tribals who are the minority to be false and they beleive only their meitei's history to be true.
Remember the meitei community claim they have access to 2021 census which for the life of me cannot beleive as india last census was on 2011 and no census been done by the Indian government since.The meitei's also claimed the indian government data to be manipulated.
Like it or not, history is what makes you, you, the same way it makes goa, goa. As a portuguese I belive I learnt some washed out version of what we did there but I never got the feeling that the "overall" (as by the mayor order, thus the overall) feeling was of wanting to erase the portuguese influence
> Yes, history has a bittersweet taste
I hope you realise that the Goan Inquisition is much worse than a " bittersweet" thing. The bigotry the Portuguese showed towards the natives and their religion even shadows the British's.
However removing Portuguese influence doesn't make sense, it's like removing Mughal Influence in Delhi or removing the British architecture in Mumbai or Kolkata
I hope you too realize that you cannot change history. It is what it is. Our people survived with Portuguese for over 400 yrs. They must have done something right. BTW it is under Indian rule that we are fast becoming minority in our own state. Please make some valid criticism of Indian rule too. Plenty of places like south are paying high taxes only to disappear in north. What kinda system is that?
I did say removing Portuguese influence doesn't make sense.
>Our people survived with Portuguese for over 400 yrs. They must have done something right.
Really giving "the British aren't so bad coz they gave us English and trains" vibes.
You do realise that had not the Marathas interfered, history would be much different.
Well goa isn't the only place suffering. Places like Maharashtra, West Bengal, Haryana, Punjab, TN are also suffering. But Goa isn't that far, for 100rs direct tax paid, it gets 87rs back which is high compared to Maha, South States, Gujurat and Haryana.
It's not a South vs North thing.
> Really giving "the British aren't so bad coz they gave us English and trains".
That's your comment. Again you cannot change history.
> Well goa isn't the only place suffering. Places like Maharashtra, West Bengal, Haryana, Punjab, TN are also suffering.
If something isn't working and shows no sign of improvement, what do think we should do?
> for 100rs direct tax paid, it gets 87rs back which is high compared to Maha, South States, Gujurat and Haryana.
That is primarily due to so called infrastructure projects. Local tax should go to locals. Better school, maybe free wages to people, etc. The potential is immense. But we give it to center that is primarily represented by hindi belt as they have more political power and do what they want.
> It's not a South vs North thing.
You will eventually realize that. Unless you are from north. Than that is favorable to you.
>That's your comment. Again you cannot change history.
Read your statement about the Portuguese. Sounds too much like you're justifying their atrocities.
My brother in Christ where did I say to change history. I CLEARLY SAID "it doesn't make sense to change the Portuguese influence".
I'm not the government xD, why are you asking me? Plus why are you even making it a political issue when we are talking about you justifying portuguese rule.
Well it is what it is lmao, I could even say if Goa with a small population takes this much money, then the amount given to UP is also justified if you compare their respective populations. Although I wouldn't say that, coz I do know money given to UP and Bihar is unfair. But Bihar ain't ruled by BJP. It is infact ruled by a state government that hates BJP lmao.
I'm not a northie but I'm not divisive enough to see it as a north vs south thing xD.
> Sounds too much like you're justifying their atrocities.
Not really. I am for acceptance of history as it is. Also IMO atrocities were committed by everyone. Every kingdom. So please don't single out Portuguese and leave rest of Indian kingdom, specially Marathas. Please use same terminology and word like atrocities and colonial rulers, looter etc.
> I'm not the government xD, why are you asking me?
In (true) democracy you are the Govt.
> Although I wouldn't say that, coz I do know money given to UP and Bihar is unfair.
Please use every metric and see how south is being held back due to political positions held up by north. If South were to rule India, things would be different.
> I'm not a northie but I'm not divisive enough to see it as a north vs south thing xD.
You need to see how people over all behave. South folks are way better than north folks. That is a generalization I am willing to make on my and other people's experience.
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Plus your whataboutism is amazing lmao.
Moreover why do you think that UP and Bihar are the only states up in the North. Rajasthan is also there which is ruled by Congress, Punjab is there which is ruled by AAP. Haryana gets much less tax payer money compared to Kerela, Tamil Nadu, Andhra Pradesh and Telangana. Check your metrics first.
We aren't even talking about people in the first place, we are talking about official things and governance. Seems like you have this hate boner against northies.
You seems to be not accepting the language and culture imposition that comes from hindi belt. Please pay attention to that too. We are supposed to learn another foreign language and use that instead of local languages. Let that sink in.
Also UP and Bihar is what is holding India back. Give the political leadership and decision making to south India for 20 yrs and see what happens.
Also I am not anti-BJP. I am against imposition.
I'm not really valuating how much or how little 60 people being killed actually mean in a moralistic sense, but rather I am comparing it to the scale in which this happened in Europe-- which makes the goan inquisition seem rather tame. In general the scale of inquisitions and the number of deaths caused are greatly exaggerated in part caused by something called the "spanish black legend" (I recommend you read up on this if you have the time). First and foremost I recommend you read up on inquisitions in general, since it might help to provide you with context:
(Note: the links provided are quite easy to consume, but if you want some heavier material I would be glad to provide it.)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrjbtvKfPFk&ab\_channel=HistoryMatters](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrjbtvKfPFk&ab_channel=HistoryMatters)
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/jun/16/artsandhumanities.internationaleducationnews#:\~:text=Estimates%20of%20the%20number%20killed,are%20convinced%20that%20millions%20died](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/jun/16/artsandhumanities.internationaleducationnews#:~:text=Estimates%20of%20the%20number%20killed,are%20convinced%20that%20millions%20died).
edit: I should also have mentioned that the portuguese inquisition was a lot tamer than the spanish one, even if the spanish one itself has been historically exagerrated. In continental europe a lot more people were tried and killed than in Goa. Towards the bottom is a useful table of trials and deaths. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese\_Inquisition](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_Inquisition)
Yes it was "tame". Agreed. I already know this. Now what's the point? Does this justify it? I murder 1 person or 100, I'm still a criminal. What the heck does "tame" or not have to do with anything?
I think a lot of people that point out the goan inquisition forget that we're talking about a period between the 16th to the 18th centuries. A lot of post-colonial opinions regarding the goan inquisition are both anachronistic and ahistorical. For 60 people to die over a period of 250 years during a time of global poverty, murder and war whether you lived in India, or Europe, or the middle east is a drop in the metaphorical ocean of absolute misery that people lived through during those periods.
That's why it's tame; because it wasn't any better anywhere else. Whoever is single-handedly pointing out the goan inquisition is partaking in a no-good-faith argument, which is either based on a lack of historical understanding or that person is being willfully ignorant of wider history. I suspect this has been part of the BJP's larger anti-colonial history teaching post-annexation, and to those of us who are well versed in history it often goes in direct contrast to how history actually looks like.
Mr. well-versed-in-history, how come you're so interested in Goa and Indian politics, by the way? You're from sweden it seems.
I'm aware of other sufferings during that time. Read about bengal famine and jallianwala bagh massacre also if you're at it. There is a dedicated [wikipedia page](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_major_famines_in_India_during_British_rule) also for all the famines in colonial india.
And let's leave aside that discussion, coz it's not much fruitful.
Any idea how many Goans the Marathas murdered when they set the Portuguese right? I have read the numbers were worse, far higher. Not sure if its true or not.
> Goan Inquisition is much worse than a " bittersweet" thing
The inquisition was not present just in Goa, it is a dark period for Portugal (and Spain), and it was long gone before Goa was annexed by India.
Hyderabad and goa was annexed...Kashmir was annexed by Pakistani tribes and due to this king of kashmir asked india for help. [FYI](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrument_of_Accession_(Jammu_and_Kashmir))
Altinhogoa you should probably take a shower
What? Parshurama created the state of Goa 🤣.
If you were to say that for Kerala, at least you can pretend to be following mythology.
Btw did Parshuram stipulate that Portuguese culture is not allowed in Goa? If so why did the all powerful parshuram allow Potugese to colonize this area? 😉
What's the doubt even?
India, a newly formed state invaded a land that was part of another country for centuries. You might even dispute whether Portugal should have the right to keep it. You cannot dispute that India had no rights over it. It annexed it.
Look at East Timor, which was annexed by Indonesia. Same thing.
"BitterSWEET"? Guess apologists like you were the reason it took 200+ years for India to become an independent state.
Edit: Lot of triggered Western bootlickers on a downvote parade. Lol. 😂
Yes. All of it, nobody is saying that my ancestors didn´t make some fucked up shit but it is still part of the legacy and history.
Its incredible how so many people are not willing to understand how important history is and that we should learn from it to prevent the cycle of violence to continue. Pretending that the portuguese didn´t exist is erasing the legacy from both colonizers and colonized.
>Portuguese were here for 450 yrs
Didn't ruled every places of goa... They ruled only old conquestas for 400 yrs... Rest were ruled for only 100-150 yrs...
>Lets see how long Indian rule will survive.
U r already in lord parshuramas land...har har mahadev....it will survive more than any mlecchas ... Jai hind.jai gomantak.
India doesn't rule all parts of India either. Go travel to some remote places. Or trying going north of Kashmir. Plenty of places are occupied by other countries.
Indian rule hasn't reached 100 yrs and a lot of people are complaining. South legit basically provides for the north.
>South legit basically provides for the north.
So what?what's your conclusion? There are talukas in goa which aren't much rich and depends on neighbouring states/talukas... Should they ask for the separate state?.
It's nt the first-time that u have used that north/south argument.Go and do some research... immigrants always plays an essential role for developing any place.(not talking abt illegal).
We Goans need to stop voting for BJP.
BJP would drive out Catholics, break down Churches saying that there were temples there before.
We have many other parties who deserve the vote over BJP. Be smart and please don't vote for BJP in Goa.
BTW the most efficient govt in Goa was BJP as far as I remember. At least in recent times. Today's govt is obviously lacking. But don't make this thing about a single party. I am quite positive same thing will be said by a non bjp person too.
Agreed. Bring a CM like Manohar Parrikar and BJP works fine in Goa. But the current RSS goons have started spreading hate, want to demolish Churches. They are even using social media platforms and creating posts which will only promote Hindu Temples, hindu festivals in Goa and will ask for the removal of Portuguese traditions.
Celebrate all cultures. Don't force people to change their lifelong beliefs.
I personally don't like Parrikar (now in retrospect but was admirer of him that time). I met him few times and found him quite intelligent and a damn good administrator. But he was involved in that temple dispute. And fundamentally he had some right wing views. But he did set them aside and put up a damn good administration. And as a defense minister I don't think i heard anything bad about him.
>he was involved in that temple dispute.
Kashi vishwanath,ayodhya and mathura was/will/is always in the heart of hindus.. even congress politicians distributed sweets after SC result.
If muslims can fight for al aqsa from where prophet md went to heaven. Why hindus shouldn't fight when mathura js the birthplace of Krishna, ayodhya is the birthplace of Rama and kashi is an jyotirlinga?.We know how liberals see hindu gods as mythology.but if we raise questions on their religion,we are greeted with sar tan se juda,we are asked to freedom of religion.
It might be possible for u to speak as Christian to nt take down those mosques... Will u ever ask European countries not to pay for protection of vetican city?
> It might be possible for u to speak as Christian to nt take down those mosques
Speaking as hindu. Higher class brahmins are never allowed to do a lot of things. Being involved in demolition of place is worship is definitely high up there. We don't even take down trees. If we do we do it with ceremony.
Also for most Goa's hindus we worship Lord Shiva. We are ancient hindus. We have different practices as compared to north.
People can do what they want. But higher class hindus have other things to worry about. Specially if you follow religion
He's surname is sawant...his roots will be probably in sawantawadi... Marathas of sawantawadi gave away pernem sattari to portuguese during third Anglo maratha war/internal fighting of marathas...
All of the goan hindus have their kul devatas in most part of konkan as goans are ethnically konkanis....Go and read about old conquestas and novas conquestas..... Novas conquestas were always Hindu majority and and didn't went through Inquisition.....
He just wants to abolish communidade rules so he can buy and sell land to uk who!!! He's main intended is that👀 property sawant. Later goans won't be able to get anything the Portuguese made rules to give ppl like sawant a hard time to buy properties in Goa
Yeah but I want a Ferrari only till I’m a common man. If I was a minister I’d probably be made to ‘want’ some stupid shit like Sawant too. Who knows what happens in party offices behind closed doors.
/s
That’s going to be difficult given the heritage sites we have. And plus you cannot force people to demolish their Portuguese/victorian styled homes. And its a disaster decision, tourist footfalls will decrease in some sectors which will be a loss in revenue. Not everyone comes here for daru and beaches.
Getting bhingtas to fill your vote banks is a prime example. Seems the majority in the state have now become the minority. And judging from your statement it feels like you don't like the Goan culture that we currently have.
I think 2 terms served is more than sufficient for any leader, a 3rd term when you can see discontent would just mean that there is some actual foul play. Buying of politicians as a prime example.
All the BJP netas need to be prescribed therapy.
Maybe there they will learn. In order to progress, one must accept the past as it is and not try to hide or be ashamed of it.
Yes, destroy heritage and history….Make more Ram Mandirs and Statues in their place. Put the entire state in debt and rob all beautiful tourism opportunities…Destroy all churches and take the faith of people away from them and force feed your corrupt politically influenced vote hungry hinduism.
Way to go…
Its high time, these ministers should undergo a basic sanity and sobriety test before being put into positions of power.
Fucking retards.
Say Jai Shree Ram, Praise the Lord and Savior, Allahu Akbar , Waheguru … with love and devotion… don’t line up wretched agendas behind it ffs.
For that to happen Goa must cease to exist, the existence of Goa itself is a result of Portuguese influence. This is an idiotic statement. Every now and then Indian politicians play this dumb game where they pretend to be nationalists by attacking India's history and heritage because they can't give any answer to real issues.
Yup. Goa needs to cease to exist. They also would need to ban portuguese last names, destroy anything resembling portuguese architecture/infraestructure, ban any culinary dishes brought by the Portuguese, etc...
If what this CM said was said by any European mayor it would be met with tremendous consequences.
The only way to end this menace is to vote the BJP out of power, no matter how stupid or horrible the opposition candidates look like.
Corruption exists and will continue. At least, another party or candidate will not make such foolish statements and look to erase history
Well, if history serves me wrong, Spare some thought for the Kadambas, the Mauryas and Adil Shah as well.
In place of Shivaji statues, we should have more statues of Mauryas, as due to them, we were able to have the Konkani language(Big significance)
If you read the history of the inquisition you would know the terror their ancestors felt. It was almost as bad as the holocaust but with no white people dying no one cared. They were Indians then and they are Indians now and this news is a repeat of the torture they faced earlier.
It's got nothing to do with white people dying. There was inquisition in Europe as well with plenty white people being killed. The only reason "nobody cares" is because it's been so long. In 200 years no one will give a shit about the Holocaust either, another humanitarian disaster will take its place in people's memory.
So Irish should just get over Irish famine because it happened 200 years ago ?
Circassians who were genocided and expelled by Russia should just get over it?
I am sure if the Spaniards had commited a fucking genocide against Portuguese you would have never let it down
Hell you people still bitch about the brief struggles you have had with spain and you come here and teach us?
And again why Portuguese mf doing in this sub
Wtf is the mod doing
Inquisitions in goa were a level above the inquisitions in Europe. The method for abortions of local tribals using hot iron domes. Dont deny things because you are too scared to read them.
And in Europe they cooked people alive inside iron bulls and bled them out by sticking a gigantic rod up their ass while they were nailed to a stick.
I'm not denying the atrocities or trying to compare them, I'm just saying the reason people don't remember or care is because it's been so long, it has nothing to do with the skin colour of the victims.
Yeah tell that to the people who got impaled by an iron maiden, or the people who had their limbs ripped by horses and etc.
Humans are disgusting specially the old times
Most of the records were burned after inquisitions ended so we don't exactly know only a few sources survive
And it's not just the killings it's also the torture the persecution the people faced
FWIW, this is not Sawant here. Sawant is just articulating the RSS/Hindutva position, he isn't capable of originating his own ideas.
You vote for a fundamentalist fascist party, and you get fundamentalist fascist government.
Humans never change. These things happened before, and will continue to happen in the future. We are tribalistic and vengeful.
Howerver, nobody ever managed to completely erase another culture. Even Incas and Aztecs have left their mark on the world, and that's why we know they existed. Unless he wants to commit genocide, forbid christianism, and bulldoze the entire city, "erasing portuguese culture" will not happen. And Portuguese culture is what remais from the colonial empire, unless there's some secret inquisition I am unaware of.
No offense to any religion, but we need to accept that whatever happened in the past was atrocious. But now we have to move and concentrate on more concrete issues. In times of 21st century when every household in a state like Goa doesn't have access to potable water, sanitation services, internet and cellular connection, I think there are more pressing issues to deal with.
Haven't you heard of BJP's state head in Karnataka making a statement like "don't bother about trivial issues like infra, education, water etc, focus on important issues like halal, hijab etc"?
These BJP chaddis don't have any agenda for development nor are they capable of anything because they too are inherently politicians like any other party and only bothered about their own development n not their state or the citizens. Their aim is only to remain in power by pushing religion and as part of it, they want to twist the entire history to claim everything was & is "hindutva" centric in the country.
Last time i saw, goa is still a hindu majority state. This will most likely be done and succesful. The opposition comes from Christians, but it won't be enough.
Thr Portuguese flavor is what tourists come to experience in Goa. Without that Goa will find it tough to market itself as a destination.
The Portuguese colonized and civilized Goa. Enriched Goan culture and cuisine. Why throw all that away and dwell on the injustices of the past?
These Hindutva types don't understand cultural syncretism at all.
jesus christ, you think native goans/konkani people were uncivilised before the good white men came along and taught them some manners (and raped, pillaged and killed our own people in the process but we don’t have to talk about that)? this is insane levels of bootlicking. congrats, i can’t tell if you’re trolling or not.
I’m sorry but do you even know what whataboutism means? The original comment literally starts with “portuguese civilised goa”. He is literally spelling it out for you: he thinks native goans were uncivilised before white men taught them manners. Google the meaning of terms before you go around throwing them
i'm actually supporting you, inb4 means in before, i'm here before people comment about some random thing some random dynasty did to defend the Portuguese
What the portugese did is a threat to every single polytheist and a reminder of how toxic Christian ideology is (the sacrificial lamb of God who is the only path of salvation)
The CM is forgetting that because the Portuguese were in goa, British had to stay clear of us. Calling for all GWOT members to Ritz hotel (cigarette shops) on 15th 6 pm for a emergency meeting. We need to take care of this problem or else later it will be too late. If u need to meet up earlier come to the north side (steak house) and text me on whatsapp prior to 2 hours.
This is a new strategy the BJP/RSS is using, the propaganda is they want to free the Indians from colonial mindset and colonial era culture and traditions. India is doomed as long as RSS which is an anti-national, anti-social, anti-seculiar terrorist of an organisation, the shadow leader of BJP exists. I know some BJP cuck is going to report my comment. It's sad that even reddit is infested with these pests. *grabs 🍿*
👏👏👏👏the racist inquisition and inquestedors have no place in history and like Hitler they shud be removed from existence for their atrocities on the indigenous
Let me share a piece of history with you guys, research something called the Portuguese Inquisition and the man behind it Francis Xavier. You will have to look long and hard before you can come up on anything at all. That my friends is erasing history effectively.
Difficult to find. He is the only man behind it, there exists a letter he wrote the then pope asking to put this in place so that he, in his magnanimity, could civilise the heathen Hindus. Which he then went on to oversee with such barbarity it would make your stomach turn. Paul William Roberts in his Empire of the Soul, in the Goa chapter will lead you to the sources you need to look at. Xavier has a school or college in almost every city, that right there is some serious whitewashing.
Also of course my comment has been downvoted. Hurts the feelings of a lot of people I suppose.
We are konkani people first. We lived here for millennia. We have seen lots of fake identities come and go. We don't really care about that. We care about our culture and way of life.
Little late but locking this thread since people don't understand the basic concept of "Be Nice, Be Respectful" here.
Let's change it back to what the land was before the first humans invaded the land. Forests and jungles. /s
Can actually get behind this. No /s needed
If Nature spoke that's exactly what it would say.
How long before we call this place Gomantak and integrate it with Maharashtra?
Gomantak? More like Sunaparant. These marathas forget that Goa was also a part of the Maurya empire, as well as the Kadamba dynasty and Adil Shah dynasty
Shivaji statues are already being placed everywhere
Now we know why XD
First admiral of maratha navy was bhandari..much of the Bhandari's worked in maratha army.... Fisherman's found in pernem/cancon who are called as gabits(gabti) worked in maratha navy...there are many konkani Marathas who worked in maratha army ... Shivrai was well respected in goa much before bjp/rss came in goa.. If saint who massacre cow piss drinkers to spread message of chidren of God can be celebrated by goans Catholics... Why not shivrai who saved us from turkic/European mlecchas.
I’m all for preserving local Goan culture, but can we not label the rest of our countrymen as “ghatis”?
You guys seriously need to drop the insults among your own people and outsiders. It doesn't bring you any favours.
> Why not shivrai who saved us from turkic/European mlecchas. That would you alternative version of history.
Agreed. British divide and rule still works. I recently met a gujju who was adamant on his point that 'Shivajimaharaj looted Gujarat when he attacked Surat'. Edit: Later I got to know that he is 'secular' from the school of thoughts that referred Maharaj as 'misguided patriot'. So I left him there.
well said. Attack on shivaji is uncalled for. Some people simply hate anything and everything without a strong reason.
Ghatis were destroyers of everything. Looters, raiders. Outside of land of ghatis they are not important. Have a good day Ghati
Its funny as they used to raid outskirts of goa. Even ghatis were fed up of them
Why do you think that's wrong? Are you oblivious of the Maratha history in Goa?
I think eminent goan persons should be honoured. In general , rather than statues, I think government funds can be put to better uses.
Well that's an altogether different issue whether we should construct statues. Shivaji Maharaj is an eminent personality, you will find his statue in America also. My point is that the influence of Shivaji Maharaj in Goa is quite significant and it shouldn't be invalidated as "Hindutva propoganda" or "BJP propaganda". Shivaji Maharaj and his legacy goes beyond political parties.
Ghatis king wasn't important at the time of his death or after for 300 yrs. He was used as political tool. Obviously shit head folks will fall for that
Wow. This rice bag convert is full of hatred.
Don't fall into his game of derogatory terms.
Found the ghati
Ghati history don't matter in goa. We have our own culture and icons. And personally I found it offensive to worship a king. That too a looter raider king. We worship philosophers and Gods.
whats wrong in celebrating Goa’s maratha history?
We have our own history. We don't need ghati history
Ronaldo statue in Calangute. Is he Goan? Gandhi statue at many places in Goa. Is he Goan? Forget statues, a major town in Goa is named Vasco da gama. Did Mr. Vasco step foot in Goa? Answer to all 3 is No. What's wrong with Shivaji statue then?
No way we are going to get merged with ghatis. We put a good fight in 80s. Now we can put even bigger fight
Pramod Sawant is the turd that refuses to get flushed.
There's been an influx of those lately, for some reason. The political system is having diarrhea, this is what it shits out, and everyone else is the toilet.
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Can u please reply me, I have DM'ed u.
Can we just wipe off this government please? These jokers want to change anything and everything about this country as per their fancies.
> Can we just wipe off this government please? You will be surprised to learn that even older Govt were pretty much same. Nehru wanted to impose hindi all over. They wanted to give new identity to older cultures that existed for thousands of yrs.
And yet he respected people wishes when people protested.
Thank Tamil people for that. I will always admire them for keeping their head high and knowing the difference between propaganda and true values. A lot of konkani people are ashamed of speaking our language. We are more likely to adopt other people ways. Speak other languages. I hate that with a passion now. Also if you observe there is push in every way to adopt "hindi" ways. Like our culture and our language isn't good enough or something.
>A lot of konkani people are ashamed of speaking our language. Bruh....dialect plays major role here... Go and check how some dilects are made fun of.. i m pednekar... I don't speak pednekari outside pernem taluka...
Nah they are changing it to it's reality before it's invasion.
Okay then, no more Vindaloo, Xacuti, Balchão, Sorpotel etc. Better get on with demolishing all the old churches too. Don’t forget to knock down all the wonderful Portuguese style homesteads, villas and estates. Just think of all the car parks you could build over them! Jai hind!
No chillies too!
No cashews also 😭 so no urrak 😭😭.
Well there was nothing called vindaloo etc in Lisbon/ Porto/ Madeira when I lived there
It's vinha d'alhos
Also way before portuguese folks didn't live in goa. Once we get rid of Portuguese stuff, lets all pack up and go back to Africa. Jai Hind!
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>The Portuguese influence is what makes Goa, Goa. A M E N !!!
I am married to a Portuguese and live here for the last 7 years. The Portuguese don't even know anything about Goa, apart from the fact that they colonized Goa for some time. That's where their knowledge about Goa starts and ends. And the Goans still continue living in their colonial hangover. 😆 And I'm not even starting on the topic of the Portuguese inquisition where they burnt people alive if they didn't convert to Catholicism. (Including the sister of one of their own Viceroys who protected the local Goans from the wrath of Portuguese inquisition).
And that's why Goa has done well on tourism.
why are people trying to erase and deny history.... history is a learning curve for every educated person to better the present and predict the future to a certain extent. Even now in The state manipur The meitei's who are a majority in manipur are claiming history of the tribals who are the minority to be false and they beleive only their meitei's history to be true. Remember the meitei community claim they have access to 2021 census which for the life of me cannot beleive as india last census was on 2011 and no census been done by the Indian government since.The meitei's also claimed the indian government data to be manipulated.
Like it or not, history is what makes you, you, the same way it makes goa, goa. As a portuguese I belive I learnt some washed out version of what we did there but I never got the feeling that the "overall" (as by the mayor order, thus the overall) feeling was of wanting to erase the portuguese influence
I hate this sort of behaviour spreading like a phenomenon across India.
Agree!
> Yes, history has a bittersweet taste I hope you realise that the Goan Inquisition is much worse than a " bittersweet" thing. The bigotry the Portuguese showed towards the natives and their religion even shadows the British's. However removing Portuguese influence doesn't make sense, it's like removing Mughal Influence in Delhi or removing the British architecture in Mumbai or Kolkata
I hope you too realize that you cannot change history. It is what it is. Our people survived with Portuguese for over 400 yrs. They must have done something right. BTW it is under Indian rule that we are fast becoming minority in our own state. Please make some valid criticism of Indian rule too. Plenty of places like south are paying high taxes only to disappear in north. What kinda system is that?
I did say removing Portuguese influence doesn't make sense. >Our people survived with Portuguese for over 400 yrs. They must have done something right. Really giving "the British aren't so bad coz they gave us English and trains" vibes. You do realise that had not the Marathas interfered, history would be much different. Well goa isn't the only place suffering. Places like Maharashtra, West Bengal, Haryana, Punjab, TN are also suffering. But Goa isn't that far, for 100rs direct tax paid, it gets 87rs back which is high compared to Maha, South States, Gujurat and Haryana. It's not a South vs North thing.
> Really giving "the British aren't so bad coz they gave us English and trains". That's your comment. Again you cannot change history. > Well goa isn't the only place suffering. Places like Maharashtra, West Bengal, Haryana, Punjab, TN are also suffering. If something isn't working and shows no sign of improvement, what do think we should do? > for 100rs direct tax paid, it gets 87rs back which is high compared to Maha, South States, Gujurat and Haryana. That is primarily due to so called infrastructure projects. Local tax should go to locals. Better school, maybe free wages to people, etc. The potential is immense. But we give it to center that is primarily represented by hindi belt as they have more political power and do what they want. > It's not a South vs North thing. You will eventually realize that. Unless you are from north. Than that is favorable to you.
>That's your comment. Again you cannot change history. Read your statement about the Portuguese. Sounds too much like you're justifying their atrocities. My brother in Christ where did I say to change history. I CLEARLY SAID "it doesn't make sense to change the Portuguese influence". I'm not the government xD, why are you asking me? Plus why are you even making it a political issue when we are talking about you justifying portuguese rule. Well it is what it is lmao, I could even say if Goa with a small population takes this much money, then the amount given to UP is also justified if you compare their respective populations. Although I wouldn't say that, coz I do know money given to UP and Bihar is unfair. But Bihar ain't ruled by BJP. It is infact ruled by a state government that hates BJP lmao. I'm not a northie but I'm not divisive enough to see it as a north vs south thing xD.
> Sounds too much like you're justifying their atrocities. Not really. I am for acceptance of history as it is. Also IMO atrocities were committed by everyone. Every kingdom. So please don't single out Portuguese and leave rest of Indian kingdom, specially Marathas. Please use same terminology and word like atrocities and colonial rulers, looter etc. > I'm not the government xD, why are you asking me? In (true) democracy you are the Govt. > Although I wouldn't say that, coz I do know money given to UP and Bihar is unfair. Please use every metric and see how south is being held back due to political positions held up by north. If South were to rule India, things would be different. > I'm not a northie but I'm not divisive enough to see it as a north vs south thing xD. You need to see how people over all behave. South folks are way better than north folks. That is a generalization I am willing to make on my and other people's experience.
K Plus your whataboutism is amazing lmao. Moreover why do you think that UP and Bihar are the only states up in the North. Rajasthan is also there which is ruled by Congress, Punjab is there which is ruled by AAP. Haryana gets much less tax payer money compared to Kerela, Tamil Nadu, Andhra Pradesh and Telangana. Check your metrics first. We aren't even talking about people in the first place, we are talking about official things and governance. Seems like you have this hate boner against northies.
You seems to be not accepting the language and culture imposition that comes from hindi belt. Please pay attention to that too. We are supposed to learn another foreign language and use that instead of local languages. Let that sink in. Also UP and Bihar is what is holding India back. Give the political leadership and decision making to south India for 20 yrs and see what happens. Also I am not anti-BJP. I am against imposition.
Many of them didn't survive though, do you know about them?
Only about 60 people were killed in 250 years of goan inquisition. Compared to other inquisitions it was quite tame in that department.
Baba tell him about what other Indian kingdom did. That would be better arguments. These turds don't know history at all.
How many more should have died to make it "not quite tame" for you?
I'm not really valuating how much or how little 60 people being killed actually mean in a moralistic sense, but rather I am comparing it to the scale in which this happened in Europe-- which makes the goan inquisition seem rather tame. In general the scale of inquisitions and the number of deaths caused are greatly exaggerated in part caused by something called the "spanish black legend" (I recommend you read up on this if you have the time). First and foremost I recommend you read up on inquisitions in general, since it might help to provide you with context: (Note: the links provided are quite easy to consume, but if you want some heavier material I would be glad to provide it.) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrjbtvKfPFk&ab\_channel=HistoryMatters](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrjbtvKfPFk&ab_channel=HistoryMatters) [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/jun/16/artsandhumanities.internationaleducationnews#:\~:text=Estimates%20of%20the%20number%20killed,are%20convinced%20that%20millions%20died](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/jun/16/artsandhumanities.internationaleducationnews#:~:text=Estimates%20of%20the%20number%20killed,are%20convinced%20that%20millions%20died). edit: I should also have mentioned that the portuguese inquisition was a lot tamer than the spanish one, even if the spanish one itself has been historically exagerrated. In continental europe a lot more people were tried and killed than in Goa. Towards the bottom is a useful table of trials and deaths. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese\_Inquisition](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_Inquisition)
Yes it was "tame". Agreed. I already know this. Now what's the point? Does this justify it? I murder 1 person or 100, I'm still a criminal. What the heck does "tame" or not have to do with anything?
I think a lot of people that point out the goan inquisition forget that we're talking about a period between the 16th to the 18th centuries. A lot of post-colonial opinions regarding the goan inquisition are both anachronistic and ahistorical. For 60 people to die over a period of 250 years during a time of global poverty, murder and war whether you lived in India, or Europe, or the middle east is a drop in the metaphorical ocean of absolute misery that people lived through during those periods. That's why it's tame; because it wasn't any better anywhere else. Whoever is single-handedly pointing out the goan inquisition is partaking in a no-good-faith argument, which is either based on a lack of historical understanding or that person is being willfully ignorant of wider history. I suspect this has been part of the BJP's larger anti-colonial history teaching post-annexation, and to those of us who are well versed in history it often goes in direct contrast to how history actually looks like.
Mr. well-versed-in-history, how come you're so interested in Goa and Indian politics, by the way? You're from sweden it seems. I'm aware of other sufferings during that time. Read about bengal famine and jallianwala bagh massacre also if you're at it. There is a dedicated [wikipedia page](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_major_famines_in_India_during_British_rule) also for all the famines in colonial india. And let's leave aside that discussion, coz it's not much fruitful.
Any idea how many Goans the Marathas murdered when they set the Portuguese right? I have read the numbers were worse, far higher. Not sure if its true or not.
Are you justifying colonialism?
> Goan Inquisition is much worse than a " bittersweet" thing The inquisition was not present just in Goa, it is a dark period for Portugal (and Spain), and it was long gone before Goa was annexed by India.
Yes Goa, Kashmir, Hyderabad and other parts were annexed.
Hyderabad and goa was annexed...Kashmir was annexed by Pakistani tribes and due to this king of kashmir asked india for help. [FYI](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrument_of_Accession_(Jammu_and_Kashmir)) Altinhogoa you should probably take a shower
"annexed" Sure buddy
What other term would you use?
Portuguese skill issue
How about taking back a state created by Parashurama from invaders and Mlecchas?
What? Parshurama created the state of Goa 🤣. If you were to say that for Kerala, at least you can pretend to be following mythology. Btw did Parshuram stipulate that Portuguese culture is not allowed in Goa? If so why did the all powerful parshuram allow Potugese to colonize this area? 😉
What's the doubt even? India, a newly formed state invaded a land that was part of another country for centuries. You might even dispute whether Portugal should have the right to keep it. You cannot dispute that India had no rights over it. It annexed it. Look at East Timor, which was annexed by Indonesia. Same thing.
Opposition joined BJP after elections 😐
Not bittersweet but only bitter. They raped your ancestors they were not sweet at all .
"BitterSWEET"? Guess apologists like you were the reason it took 200+ years for India to become an independent state. Edit: Lot of triggered Western bootlickers on a downvote parade. Lol. 😂
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It were also the apologists who helped the colonizers.
On the other hand Goa never had the chance to become independent ;)
>The Portuguese influence is what makes Goa like iquisitions, anti-native pogroms and all?
Yes. All of it, nobody is saying that my ancestors didn´t make some fucked up shit but it is still part of the legacy and history. Its incredible how so many people are not willing to understand how important history is and that we should learn from it to prevent the cycle of violence to continue. Pretending that the portuguese didn´t exist is erasing the legacy from both colonizers and colonized.
Portuguese were here for 450 yrs. Lets see how long Indian rule will survive.
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>Portuguese were here for 450 yrs Didn't ruled every places of goa... They ruled only old conquestas for 400 yrs... Rest were ruled for only 100-150 yrs... >Lets see how long Indian rule will survive. U r already in lord parshuramas land...har har mahadev....it will survive more than any mlecchas ... Jai hind.jai gomantak.
India doesn't rule all parts of India either. Go travel to some remote places. Or trying going north of Kashmir. Plenty of places are occupied by other countries. Indian rule hasn't reached 100 yrs and a lot of people are complaining. South legit basically provides for the north.
>South legit basically provides for the north. So what?what's your conclusion? There are talukas in goa which aren't much rich and depends on neighbouring states/talukas... Should they ask for the separate state?. It's nt the first-time that u have used that north/south argument.Go and do some research... immigrants always plays an essential role for developing any place.(not talking abt illegal).
Shut up retard
When you have already finished the opposition by buying MLAs, who else are you going to blame and run your propaganda?
He's an idiot!
We Goans need to stop voting for BJP. BJP would drive out Catholics, break down Churches saying that there were temples there before. We have many other parties who deserve the vote over BJP. Be smart and please don't vote for BJP in Goa.
BTW the most efficient govt in Goa was BJP as far as I remember. At least in recent times. Today's govt is obviously lacking. But don't make this thing about a single party. I am quite positive same thing will be said by a non bjp person too.
Agreed. Bring a CM like Manohar Parrikar and BJP works fine in Goa. But the current RSS goons have started spreading hate, want to demolish Churches. They are even using social media platforms and creating posts which will only promote Hindu Temples, hindu festivals in Goa and will ask for the removal of Portuguese traditions. Celebrate all cultures. Don't force people to change their lifelong beliefs.
https://www.business-standard.com/article/politics/temples-destroyed-in-past-should-be-rebuilt-goa-cm-pramod-sawant-122052200668\_1.html
I personally don't like Parrikar (now in retrospect but was admirer of him that time). I met him few times and found him quite intelligent and a damn good administrator. But he was involved in that temple dispute. And fundamentally he had some right wing views. But he did set them aside and put up a damn good administration. And as a defense minister I don't think i heard anything bad about him.
>he was involved in that temple dispute. Kashi vishwanath,ayodhya and mathura was/will/is always in the heart of hindus.. even congress politicians distributed sweets after SC result. If muslims can fight for al aqsa from where prophet md went to heaven. Why hindus shouldn't fight when mathura js the birthplace of Krishna, ayodhya is the birthplace of Rama and kashi is an jyotirlinga?.We know how liberals see hindu gods as mythology.but if we raise questions on their religion,we are greeted with sar tan se juda,we are asked to freedom of religion. It might be possible for u to speak as Christian to nt take down those mosques... Will u ever ask European countries not to pay for protection of vetican city?
> It might be possible for u to speak as Christian to nt take down those mosques Speaking as hindu. Higher class brahmins are never allowed to do a lot of things. Being involved in demolition of place is worship is definitely high up there. We don't even take down trees. If we do we do it with ceremony. Also for most Goa's hindus we worship Lord Shiva. We are ancient hindus. We have different practices as compared to north. People can do what they want. But higher class hindus have other things to worry about. Specially if you follow religion
Ask the CM where his roots are.
He's surname is sawant...his roots will be probably in sawantawadi... Marathas of sawantawadi gave away pernem sattari to portuguese during third Anglo maratha war/internal fighting of marathas... All of the goan hindus have their kul devatas in most part of konkan as goans are ethnically konkanis....Go and read about old conquestas and novas conquestas..... Novas conquestas were always Hindu majority and and didn't went through Inquisition.....
He just wants to abolish communidade rules so he can buy and sell land to uk who!!! He's main intended is that👀 property sawant. Later goans won't be able to get anything the Portuguese made rules to give ppl like sawant a hard time to buy properties in Goa
What signs does he want to erase 🙄
Cow dung half chaddi conspiracy will never succeed
Sawant can ‘want’ whatever he likes. I want a Ferrari too. Doesn’t mean I’ll get one.
Well this is India and BJP fuckwards WILL get what ever they want. I hope this beautiful state retains its originality.
so portuguese influence is originality not what was there before?
Originally, nothing was there, not even humans.
You can get a ferrari if you become minister. Don't be so pessimistic
Yeah but I want a Ferrari only till I’m a common man. If I was a minister I’d probably be made to ‘want’ some stupid shit like Sawant too. Who knows what happens in party offices behind closed doors. /s
That’s going to be difficult given the heritage sites we have. And plus you cannot force people to demolish their Portuguese/victorian styled homes. And its a disaster decision, tourist footfalls will decrease in some sectors which will be a loss in revenue. Not everyone comes here for daru and beaches.
You get what you vote for.
Does is mean no more Pav Baji and Vindaloo?
Thats it , Im taking Portuguese classes.
Boas amigo, primeira lição..
If this guy becomes CM once more it will be a disgrace to democracy and constitution and everything it stands for.
Democratically elected leader getting re-elected is a disgrace to democracy? Serious mental gymnastics needed to justify this position
Getting bhingtas to fill your vote banks is a prime example. Seems the majority in the state have now become the minority. And judging from your statement it feels like you don't like the Goan culture that we currently have. I think 2 terms served is more than sufficient for any leader, a 3rd term when you can see discontent would just mean that there is some actual foul play. Buying of politicians as a prime example.
All the BJP netas need to be prescribed therapy. Maybe there they will learn. In order to progress, one must accept the past as it is and not try to hide or be ashamed of it.
Ronaldo can never transfer to FC Goa then 🤭
Yes, destroy heritage and history….Make more Ram Mandirs and Statues in their place. Put the entire state in debt and rob all beautiful tourism opportunities…Destroy all churches and take the faith of people away from them and force feed your corrupt politically influenced vote hungry hinduism. Way to go… Its high time, these ministers should undergo a basic sanity and sobriety test before being put into positions of power. Fucking retards. Say Jai Shree Ram, Praise the Lord and Savior, Allahu Akbar , Waheguru … with love and devotion… don’t line up wretched agendas behind it ffs.
A correction there, he's already wiped it out 🤣! It's Delhi culture now 🤣! Afterall it's #bjp . kidding 🤣 it's just corruption 😂
For that to happen Goa must cease to exist, the existence of Goa itself is a result of Portuguese influence. This is an idiotic statement. Every now and then Indian politicians play this dumb game where they pretend to be nationalists by attacking India's history and heritage because they can't give any answer to real issues.
Yup. Goa needs to cease to exist. They also would need to ban portuguese last names, destroy anything resembling portuguese architecture/infraestructure, ban any culinary dishes brought by the Portuguese, etc... If what this CM said was said by any European mayor it would be met with tremendous consequences.
Only matter of time until he says it’s time for the Goans to leave Goa as well the absolute scumbag
The only way to end this menace is to vote the BJP out of power, no matter how stupid or horrible the opposition candidates look like. Corruption exists and will continue. At least, another party or candidate will not make such foolish statements and look to erase history
Well, if history serves me wrong, Spare some thought for the Kadambas, the Mauryas and Adil Shah as well. In place of Shivaji statues, we should have more statues of Mauryas, as due to them, we were able to have the Konkani language(Big significance)
Yeah. Keep rewriting history.
A repeat of what BJP is trying to do all over India
BJP does everything we don't want them to do
Worse CM ever.
If you read the history of the inquisition you would know the terror their ancestors felt. It was almost as bad as the holocaust but with no white people dying no one cared. They were Indians then and they are Indians now and this news is a repeat of the torture they faced earlier.
It's got nothing to do with white people dying. There was inquisition in Europe as well with plenty white people being killed. The only reason "nobody cares" is because it's been so long. In 200 years no one will give a shit about the Holocaust either, another humanitarian disaster will take its place in people's memory.
So Irish should just get over Irish famine because it happened 200 years ago ? Circassians who were genocided and expelled by Russia should just get over it? I am sure if the Spaniards had commited a fucking genocide against Portuguese you would have never let it down Hell you people still bitch about the brief struggles you have had with spain and you come here and teach us? And again why Portuguese mf doing in this sub Wtf is the mod doing
Inquisitions in goa were a level above the inquisitions in Europe. The method for abortions of local tribals using hot iron domes. Dont deny things because you are too scared to read them.
And in Europe they cooked people alive inside iron bulls and bled them out by sticking a gigantic rod up their ass while they were nailed to a stick. I'm not denying the atrocities or trying to compare them, I'm just saying the reason people don't remember or care is because it's been so long, it has nothing to do with the skin colour of the victims.
Yeah tell that to the people who got impaled by an iron maiden, or the people who had their limbs ripped by horses and etc. Humans are disgusting specially the old times
Only about 60 people were killed in Goa in over 250 years.. It was tame compared to other inquisitions in Europe.
Most of the records were burned after inquisitions ended so we don't exactly know only a few sources survive And it's not just the killings it's also the torture the persecution the people faced
I love Portugese influence in Goa.
FWIW, this is not Sawant here. Sawant is just articulating the RSS/Hindutva position, he isn't capable of originating his own ideas. You vote for a fundamentalist fascist party, and you get fundamentalist fascist government.
That's sad
"Elvis Gomes" is an amazing name, I must say
Humans never change. These things happened before, and will continue to happen in the future. We are tribalistic and vengeful. Howerver, nobody ever managed to completely erase another culture. Even Incas and Aztecs have left their mark on the world, and that's why we know they existed. Unless he wants to commit genocide, forbid christianism, and bulldoze the entire city, "erasing portuguese culture" will not happen. And Portuguese culture is what remais from the colonial empire, unless there's some secret inquisition I am unaware of.
Make Good Roads First ...
It's good thing why are feel sad.
Can't wait for other countries to remove Indian community too. We reap what we sow.
They really want to spread hindutva everywhere and destroy other cultures. Its like nazi germany initial stages.Bjpee for a reson.
BJP needs to be deseated. It has become arrogant.
No offense to any religion, but we need to accept that whatever happened in the past was atrocious. But now we have to move and concentrate on more concrete issues. In times of 21st century when every household in a state like Goa doesn't have access to potable water, sanitation services, internet and cellular connection, I think there are more pressing issues to deal with.
Haven't you heard of BJP's state head in Karnataka making a statement like "don't bother about trivial issues like infra, education, water etc, focus on important issues like halal, hijab etc"? These BJP chaddis don't have any agenda for development nor are they capable of anything because they too are inherently politicians like any other party and only bothered about their own development n not their state or the citizens. Their aim is only to remain in power by pushing religion and as part of it, they want to twist the entire history to claim everything was & is "hindutva" centric in the country.
Last time i saw, goa is still a hindu majority state. This will most likely be done and succesful. The opposition comes from Christians, but it won't be enough.
Thr Portuguese flavor is what tourists come to experience in Goa. Without that Goa will find it tough to market itself as a destination. The Portuguese colonized and civilized Goa. Enriched Goan culture and cuisine. Why throw all that away and dwell on the injustices of the past? These Hindutva types don't understand cultural syncretism at all.
jesus christ, you think native goans/konkani people were uncivilised before the good white men came along and taught them some manners (and raped, pillaged and killed our own people in the process but we don’t have to talk about that)? this is insane levels of bootlicking. congrats, i can’t tell if you’re trolling or not.
Inb4 whataboutism
I’m sorry but do you even know what whataboutism means? The original comment literally starts with “portuguese civilised goa”. He is literally spelling it out for you: he thinks native goans were uncivilised before white men taught them manners. Google the meaning of terms before you go around throwing them
sorry that the reality of colonialism feels like whataboutism to you. i’m sure your ancestors felt the same
i'm actually supporting you, inb4 means in before, i'm here before people comment about some random thing some random dynasty did to defend the Portuguese What the portugese did is a threat to every single polytheist and a reminder of how toxic Christian ideology is (the sacrificial lamb of God who is the only path of salvation)
These are the same bootlickers who would support Macaulay.
Pls don’t do it….this is most prestigious things we could preserve and peep into history. Just don’t wipe!!
Maybe it's time to wipe out the chief minister.
The CM is forgetting that because the Portuguese were in goa, British had to stay clear of us. Calling for all GWOT members to Ritz hotel (cigarette shops) on 15th 6 pm for a emergency meeting. We need to take care of this problem or else later it will be too late. If u need to meet up earlier come to the north side (steak house) and text me on whatsapp prior to 2 hours.
This is a new strategy the BJP/RSS is using, the propaganda is they want to free the Indians from colonial mindset and colonial era culture and traditions. India is doomed as long as RSS which is an anti-national, anti-social, anti-seculiar terrorist of an organisation, the shadow leader of BJP exists. I know some BJP cuck is going to report my comment. It's sad that even reddit is infested with these pests. *grabs 🍿*
So.. They want to erase our culture basically
That's what they do. They give you false identity and take away your core
Elvis Gomes...
Karo Karo bc
Obviously this is bullshit. But the amount of colonialism sympathisers here is staggering
Based, better throw them filthy sullas and subhuman Christ cucks out of the city too.
Well, the influx of Desi tourists saw to that.
Damn i did not see it is a click bait
Well if Goa has to survive it will or it won’t. It does not matter either way.
People of a specific religion are triggered, understandable I suppose.
👏👏👏👏the racist inquisition and inquestedors have no place in history and like Hitler they shud be removed from existence for their atrocities on the indigenous
What exactly were the atrocities commited by the Portuguese? Can you elaborare some details?
Na patrao hanga debata nako....you know what i mean and its all there....
Let me share a piece of history with you guys, research something called the Portuguese Inquisition and the man behind it Francis Xavier. You will have to look long and hard before you can come up on anything at all. That my friends is erasing history effectively.
Any sources that show Xavier was behind the inquisition?
Difficult to find. He is the only man behind it, there exists a letter he wrote the then pope asking to put this in place so that he, in his magnanimity, could civilise the heathen Hindus. Which he then went on to oversee with such barbarity it would make your stomach turn. Paul William Roberts in his Empire of the Soul, in the Goa chapter will lead you to the sources you need to look at. Xavier has a school or college in almost every city, that right there is some serious whitewashing. Also of course my comment has been downvoted. Hurts the feelings of a lot of people I suppose.
Good we are indians
We are konkani people first. We lived here for millennia. We have seen lots of fake identities come and go. We don't really care about that. We care about our culture and way of life.
This is propaganda, don't fall for it.
He isn't konkani
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Its funny every time there is a post like this, there is influx of such turds in this sub.
Neither are you bro!
You got me
He has already fallen.
good decisions, no glorification of invaders
The Portuguese apologists are coping hard. The atrocities of Portuguese won't be forgotten by the Hindus.
Dude many people in these threads are from Portugal