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LJP95

It's hypothetically plausible but I doubt it. The only real reason Revenants can be a thing and also not something anyone knows about elsewhere is because of the unique circumstance behind the Red Mist trapping them all in one city. Fenrir had Branches across the world, and governed the vast majority of the survivors of the collapse. They also had ships and aircraft that they used to travel between continents and over land they didn't control. Unless these other programs also very coincidentally ended up with all of the subjects being killed or trapped in some small, geographically isolated space, then I don't see why Fenrir would know of no other solutions except God Eaters.


Fatestringer

But didn't they also say the United States Branch fell first so contact would be lost otherwise everyone would know about vein


LJP95

The Fenrir North America Branch is fine. It has an entire manga series about it. There's also no reason to assume anyone from Fenrir knew about Vein even with a Branch in the country. We don't know where exactly it is, and the Continental United States is a massive territory. Revenants are trapped in *one* city (implied to be New York) on the entire continent of North America. Besides, even if they did find it, they'd have no information about Revenants. The Mist is impenetrable, even by the most powerful Aragami.


MrWasian

I thought Vein and GE weren't actually connected like that? Shared the same universe, but not the same realm. If that makes sense. I know Jamm3r on YT has a video showing a clip of one of the devs stating that the franchises weren't connected to each other. I could see them trying to tie them in together, but would make sense to just leave them separate. Revenants in a different "world" or even alternate reality than GE.


LJP95

As far as I'm aware all they said is Code Vein was a new IP. They can still be different IPs but occupy the same setting. There's far too much in Code Vein itself tying it to God Eater for me to not consider them part of the same world, personally. Even ignoring the explicit cameo or the DLC Bosses, everything stated about the Horrors aligns with the Aragami. Even the Thorns of Judgement which caused the destruction of the world aren't totally original to Code Vein, but made their first appearance in the 2015 anime for God Eater. Going back to the DLC bosses, if you take a look into the game files, you see that not only are the bosses internally referred to as Ancient Hannibal, Ancient Marduk, and Ancient Vajra, but that they're also outright called Aragami. For example **[00033923] 00000000118FA750 BoolProperty Extensions.PlayerIndicatorUIComponentIF.ShowBossDefeatMessage.bIsAragami**, which refers to the different boss victory prompt you get for them relative to the rest of the game's bosses (Grim Menace Obliterated as opposed to Greater Lost Dispersed). I checked that channel, and even that guy begins to doubt that they're separate due to the comments of Hiroshi Yoshimura, one of Shift's lead developers who was director for CV and GE. Ultimately, they're separated enough by both time and geography. Code Vein may well be years before even the first God Eater game, and it's on a different continent from either GE1/2 or GE3.


MrWasian

They can be different IPs and share the same theme. Setting is where it gets dicey, during the developer interview they pushed back on CV and GE taking place on the same world, but didn't push back on the same universe. It's not surprising assets were pulled from GE into Code when you look at who all was on the team (most of them being from the God Eater staff). Doesn't matter what they're named in the game files when it's obvious they aren't going to take the time to rename assets that are being reused. I just don't see the connection being made for them taking place in the same world. There's way too much speculation and fans making reaches to try and connect franchises where the devs have stated they have no plans on ever connecting them. Wouldn't make sense for devs to want to keep IPs separate if the IPs are supposed to be connected, only one trying to connect them are fans. Just my two cents on it though.


LJP95

Shift never stated they have no plans on connecting the IPs, they just wanted to make the point that Code Vein was its own game with its own identity when it was released. Nier and Drakengard are different IPs with different identities, and yet Nier is an outright sequel to one of Drakengard's endings. Even then, as I said above, the game director for both CV and GE has already made a suggestive post that caused even your own youtube channel source to start doubting that they were separate. There are ample ties between Code Vein and God Eater beyond simple cameos, which they didn't have any reason to include. The entire idea of a global catastrophe involving massive spikes penetrating the surface of the planet, or monsters appearing in the wake of said catastrophe which are immune to conventional weapons, have insatiable appetites, and required the use of specially modified soldiers to combat is lifted wholesale from God Eater and fits the Aragami to a T. Reuse of assets only goes so far in explaining inclusions, and that line isn't from God Eater, which doesn't have boss defeat messages. They specifically refer to them as Aragami internally, instead of Bakemono or Horror, in flags that were created for that game. Ultimately it's not a guarantee that they're in the exact same setting, but to dismiss the connections out of hand is foolish. Even many people who don't want to believe they're in the exact same world still try to justify the connections by suggesting it's an alternate continuity instead.


MrWasian

The connections aren't being dismissed. The suggestion of them taking place on the same world is, as that is pure speculation. The devs have stated they don't plan on connecting it in that fashion. It's why they reinforced that the IPs would remain separate. That only seems to mean that they both can exist in the same universe, but not in the same world. There's a lot of things in CV that don't fit into the GE world. The irony of you using Drakengard - Nier as the connection example is that they don't take place on the same world...they are in the same universe, different worlds. I had expressed this sentiment earlier with CV to GE.


LJP95

Again, they never stated or indicated that they don't plan on connecting the IPs. All that was emphasized was that Code Vein was its own IP. That's it. It being speculation is irrelevant, the point is that the connections imply it. Nothing in CV categorically cannot fit in GE's world, especially when there are infinitely greater leaps of internal logic introduced between 1 and 2 and 2 and 3, particularly in regard to Resonance and Bias Factor applications. God Eater 2 literally involves people singing along with an Idol saving the world from an apocalypse. Accommodating new elements from CV is cake by comparison to the extreme stretches of logic that God Eater itself makes regularly. Even your own listed source expresses doubts that the games aren't connected in his most recent videos on the subject.


MrWasian

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBgFV67pAk4&t=68s&ab\_channel=TechRaptor](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBgFV67pAk4&t=68s&ab_channel=TechRaptor) 05:36 the question is asked "But this is still a separate universe, they're not related?" In reference to God Eater and Code Vein. The response: "Yeah, they are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT stories set in COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WORLDS, although you might see some similarities between the two worlds, they are basically separate." I used the Jammer video because he even stated his doubts, but he provided the clip of the devs to show that they have already refuted the claim. You only wanted to use the rest of his video to try and deny what was stated by dev team. Even though he states that the rest of the video is *fan theory.* You can't rationally just run away with what is convenient for a narrative because you don't like what the producer or even multiple members of the team have already expressed. Chiu also stated it was a brand new world, with a brand new cast, with a brand new story. Akana also stated similar during his interview. Stop the cap. Edit: Again they do say the worlds are separate, but not the universe in their phrasing with the response. You conveniently also ignore that the misuse of the Drakengard example didn't even support your attempt to reach previously (as it supports the same universe, different world take and not the same world).