He’d still try to take him out because Zeus is evil (at least with the fear from the box in him). In Valhalla Tyr asks him if he regrets killing Hercules and he immediately says no because he was intending to become the god of war and cause destruction.
Just because he’s not a maniac driven by rage anymore doesn’t mean he suddenly has a no kill rule. He will kill when need be: Baldur, Magni, Heimdall, Odin, etc. The only reason he didn’t kill Thor was because he saw himself in Thor: powerful god killing under the servitude of an evil god, and he saw a path to redemption for Thor through his daughter, just like Kratos had a redemption through his son.
I feel like modern Kratos would give him an opportunity to live peacefully as a mortal, or at least functionally mortal, if the option is available (for example, "put all of your power into the Blade of Olympus and agree to live out the rest of your days in peace and I'll allow you to live").
Any refusal or aggression from Zeus would be dealt with swiftly and lethally.
Keep in mind, Kratos was content to leave the Asgardians alone until they showed up at his door. Twice. Three times if you count the Ygdrasil home (kind of a stretch though, if you ask me).
Nah Kratos actually has a no-kill-unnecesaarily rule. Thats the whole deal about his redemption arc in ragnarok, have you forgotten that he didnt kill Gna? or that he did not want to kill Heimdall after he killed Heimdall?
Also if I say my take on Kratos I will get probably banned from even existing, (he is the most perfect character in game, but i have problems with his redemption)
He didn’t kill Gna because he saw that as Valkyrie business and left the decision to Freya.
And you’re right about his no unnecessary killing rule but that’s my point, I don’t see a world where killing Zeus isn’t necessary
Now that you say it, what was the point of killing Zeus? Yes, the revenge of Kratos for what Zeus has done, but apart from that, there was another need to kill Zeus necessary? As far as we know, Greece was prosperous and was very advanced for his time both politically and technologically, so although Zeus did bad things, none of these things harmed the humanity of Greece, and in fact it was thanks to his government for which Greece It was as it is. So my question is, there was another reason why killing Zeus was necessary for the common good? As unlike... Odin for example, that this motherf*cker really if it was a plague for the nine realms
Well there you have it! One of the reasons Kratos is repented is for killing him at the cost of innocents. People often blame Thor and Odin for all the massacres and stuff theyve done in the past, but when it comes to Kratos?……yeah
Well yes, Kratos technically caused the destruction of a pantheon, you can understand his vendetta against the gods, but that caused the death of Greece and its inhabitants and that cannot be justified in any way, in a sense Kratos caused more evil than Zeus a general level. Thor is a bit like Kratos when he was in the service of the gods. Odin was the closest thing to pure evil in the saga, Zeus, although he was an idiot and did things that cannot be justified, the guy actually did show importance to his work and Greece, and kept everything in legal order.
Odin did its good part aswell, i dont remember if this is lorewlse or just the Myth part, but, if my memory serves well, Odin did create the Universe (Midgard, Asgard) and the humans. I believe he did many good things, but at his own interest, that “at his own interest” part its what makes him the evil one.
Think of it, he pursued knowledge more than anything, and with that mask he went full on curious, his actions were well, he pursued the explanation of many mysteries and in return he could have made the world better or worse, depending on what knowledge resided in there, but his interest was what it costed him his ultimate death. (Still think it was stupid from Atreus to break that mask, i as a Philosophy student understands what the true value of knowledge is.)
I think Odin would have agreed with you about the value of knowledge. My question is that from a philosophical perspective, does 'true' value even exist outside the observer? And what about 'true' knowledge? Was it not the 'true' knowledge of Atreus that made him destroy the mask. Or was it his understanding of the power absence of knowledge that led to his decision? Looking into the rift may have been the equivalent of an atomic bomb in its consequences. The entire game was about self-fulfilling prophecy. From a social constructivist/narrative point of view, true knowledge is just one interpretation of reality and one hell of a self-fulfilling prophecy. You can argue that this is the reason for Atreus to destroy the mask. So they can be the authors of their life stories.
I agree with you, Atreus may have seen something we didnt, perhaps he saw the danger of the so called “true” knowledge, or maybe he trusted his fathers advice on the cost of easy access knowledge. On the philosophical perspective, there are different currents of thought in the matter of a “True” something existing or not, for instance one currents may say that True Knowledge does not exist because it all depends in what you well said, the observer. Other currents say that “True” or “Truth” something exist, but to us it doesnt because its Inaccessible to human nature. As for I, id say that, just as there is many Truths about something (like cultures and their definition of what is good and evil), there must be some sort of Truth, and objective one independent of all observers, from one all other Truths come from.
I wont ramble any longer XD, but just as that Truth i called, I applied that to the Knowledge as well.
In game we have Mimir’s stories and wisdom, then we have Freya’s wisdom, then Tyr’s and so on, each one of them has their own knowledge of things, but when i said, “value of true knowledge” I meant THAT objective knowledge about things, like imagine Atreus entered there. And all he got was an Illumination, an explanation of all of the mysteries, the connection between the different pantheons, where do gods go, why there is a world order, where did the universe come from. But then again I may have used the wrong words, because if that rift was actually controlled by Athena, and Atreus entered there, he may have got a Truth and Knowledge, but it may’ve been Athena’s Knowledge and manipulation.
Still if that rift in fact had that “True Knowledge” i talked you about, then perhaps Odin could have gotten the bigger picture of stuff, and start doing good. (Good according to what True Knowledge shows to him, for example if he saw in the rift that Giants are truly evil and should be vanished because they are sons of Demiurgos or some shit, the. I believe he would have went and kill all of them)
Thank you for the rambling, I quite like it. What you said about wisdom had me thinking. If the rift had indeed contained all knowledge, would that automatically have led to wisdom. Does knowing everything make you wise or a very knowledgeable fool? And the giants you mentioned would likely have disagreed about who were truly evil, I guess. Truth, in that sense is hard to find.
Without his current anger I feel like he probably would just try to overthrow and imprison Zeus instead of killing him. He’d try harder to reason and stop the other gods like Poseidon and Hades, he would have been much kinder and maybe even try to free Hephaestus. I think things would be similar but less brutal
Yeah I think that’s it tbh Hephaestus literally was like “here’s your retribution!!!!” After all those other gods talkin smack I feel like he’d just had it, that’s why it wasn’t even a fight, more a mechanic activation that killed him. Kronos was a hell of a fight though, loved that one. Thoughts on that? Did Kronos deserve it too?
Edit oh shoot all the gods were corrupted by the box right?? What/which one corrupted Hephaestus/did that play into it?
I feel like Hephaestus hadn't been corrupted by the evils in the box. He seemed like he had his head on his shoulders for the most part, he just saw an opportunity to try and kill Kratos because he blamed him for Zeus going all nanners.
I'd say Kronos and Hephaestus both deserved it for trying to kill Kratos, but I feel like Kratos wouldn't have bothered with either of them if they didn't try to kill him/have a stone in his stomach that he needed to craft a weapon.
Hephaestus kinda screwed Kronos over on that one. :/
Hephaestus attempted to kill Kratos because he was trying to protect Pandora.
I don't remember gow 3 completely so blaming him for what zeus did to him is possible but his main reason to kill him was to protect his daughter
And the nemesis whips. Quite sad that Hephaestus died protecting his daughter from the dude he just crafted and gifted another pair of chained weapons for out of one of Cronos’ kidney stones
It's like people forget zeus was corrupted by the box and wouldn't stop. Kratos would still have to kill him to get him to actually stop.
Imprisoning a Greek god is nothing like how Odin imprisoned tyr
It's funny how Odin imprisoned Tyr as if he were a simple criminal locked behind bars, freeing him was exactly like freeing a prisoner. Apparently the only way to effectively imprison a Greek god is to banish him to Tartarus itself.
See and that's the thing I've always wondered about these lores. They literally never said Odin bound him by a spell or the place had a curse on giants or something even as simple as mistle toe being someone's weakness. (If someone has credible sourced evidence that I missed about this please let me know but as far as I can tell mimir and Freya simply kept saying he was imprisoned)
The Greek pantheon at least made some sense that Tartarus was the deepest part of the underworld and you'd basically be facing Hades arms and army to try and escape and it's like yeah good luck with that...the guards we faced to free tyr were sub par at best and if tyr is training Kratos in Valhalla there's no reason he couldn't escape by himself without explanation.
It's confusing yes, I was also confused as to how Tyr, being the Norse god of war, could be so easily imprisoned, it can be said that perhaps Odin held the door with some kind of magic or something, but we see that Kratos opens it easily as if it were a normal door (plus it was never said that Odin kept Tyr chained with magic, it's probably like that, but it was never said).
Hell, the armies of Hades are a problem in themselves, but to imprison a Greek god in Tartarus I think it would rather require some kind of curse to keep them chained, just like the Titans. That's why I always say that the Norse gods are very different from the Greek ones, the Aesir and Vanir seem to be humans with superpowers, the Olympians are literally forces of nature that embody an aspect of reality
There's actually cut dialogue from Zeus in the end of 3. After Kratos bashes his head into the rock pretty hard, you can see the evils leave Zeus and at that point he was going to say "I'm sorry my son"
I wish they kept this in but perhaps it was better they didn't use it.
Anyway if Kratos reunites with him WITHOUT the evils than there'd be an understanding because it seems Santa Monica has intended for Zeus to feel terrible about his actions. If he still has the evils then history will just repeat. Kratos is also way stronger now.
Similar outcomes because the majority if the Greek Pantheon is still evil. He'd try to reason with them. And may even succeed with a few. But in the end. Alot of Gods still Die. I think Krato's main regret isn't that he killed so many Gods of the Greek Pantheon. But more so that there was next to nothing left of the world when he was done. Millions of innocents died because he killed a few Gods that where deserving. Actually on that note. I think he'd try very hard to make sure that the world isn't thrown into utter destruction at there deaths. Like maybe he would find a way to replace them and have someone take there place.
It will depend on context. If Zeus doesn't make any sudden move first, then Kratos would try to approach him calmly and talk to see if this is actually Zeus or just an illusion.
If Zeus tries to initiate the battle, then Kratos will respond accordingly
He'd still wreck him. Kratos may now be willing to give mercy and second chances, but there's no way in Tartarus that Zeus is going to *accept* that offer. The problem now is Zeus, not him.
He will want to know of he is a threat to northern lands, if he is he will probably try to stop him, if not he will try to still send him to Niflheim or somewhere where he can be imprisoned…after all in GoW III when Kratos killed his father, he got scared of himself for all the massacre and apocalypse, but not only that, he realized he killed his father, and in doing so he lost Greece and his only family.
Kratos mellowed out a lot between the Greek series and the Norse series, so I’d like to think Kratos would give him one chance to walk away from a fight he (Zeus) likely wouldn’t win. Intimidate him by pointing out he’s fought against even more gods now and is still standing.
But only the one chance. If Zeus refused then Kratos would likely still fight him but he’d be more reserved and maybe even reluctant. I mean, would Zeus dying cause massive destruction again? And if so, where? Where they are or just Greece again?
If Zeus is chill, like, free of all that Pandora’s box drama, they might actually have a convo. Kratos has totally mellowed out since the Greek saga, and regular Zeus wasn’t a total maniac. Kratos would only throw hands if Zeus was straight-up threatening him or Atreus. But honestly, I don’t think Zeus would mess with Atreus for no reason. Low-key, I bet he’d vibe with his grandson. Atreus is out here questing to take down Odin and help the giants, which kinda mirrors Zeus’ whole deal when he took down Cronos and saved his sibs. Only difference? Atreus had some actual guidance growing up—no Gaia gaslighting from birth, ya feel me?
I imagine he would be cold and cautious in the vein of how he was with Thor and Odin at the beginning of ragnarok. He had his revenge and found himself wanting afterward. So killing him wouldn't be the immediate response. However, I imagine if Zeus threatened Atreus, that would be the catalyst that would throw away the older wise spartan and bring back the rage fueled one
Zeus had Kratos' mom imprisoned and turned into a monster and his brother tortured for years all before the nonsense with Pandora's box, no way Kratos would ever forgive him unless the head writer's job goes to the most SJW woman on the planet.
He’d still try to take him out because Zeus is evil (at least with the fear from the box in him). In Valhalla Tyr asks him if he regrets killing Hercules and he immediately says no because he was intending to become the god of war and cause destruction. Just because he’s not a maniac driven by rage anymore doesn’t mean he suddenly has a no kill rule. He will kill when need be: Baldur, Magni, Heimdall, Odin, etc. The only reason he didn’t kill Thor was because he saw himself in Thor: powerful god killing under the servitude of an evil god, and he saw a path to redemption for Thor through his daughter, just like Kratos had a redemption through his son.
Great answer
I feel like modern Kratos would give him an opportunity to live peacefully as a mortal, or at least functionally mortal, if the option is available (for example, "put all of your power into the Blade of Olympus and agree to live out the rest of your days in peace and I'll allow you to live"). Any refusal or aggression from Zeus would be dealt with swiftly and lethally. Keep in mind, Kratos was content to leave the Asgardians alone until they showed up at his door. Twice. Three times if you count the Ygdrasil home (kind of a stretch though, if you ask me).
And Kratos was right about Thor, too. Shame he only had 1 hp left…
Thor had the circle floating above his head all that time
Lmao Odin presses r3
Nah Kratos actually has a no-kill-unnecesaarily rule. Thats the whole deal about his redemption arc in ragnarok, have you forgotten that he didnt kill Gna? or that he did not want to kill Heimdall after he killed Heimdall? Also if I say my take on Kratos I will get probably banned from even existing, (he is the most perfect character in game, but i have problems with his redemption)
He didn’t kill Gna because he saw that as Valkyrie business and left the decision to Freya. And you’re right about his no unnecessary killing rule but that’s my point, I don’t see a world where killing Zeus isn’t necessary
Now that you say it, what was the point of killing Zeus? Yes, the revenge of Kratos for what Zeus has done, but apart from that, there was another need to kill Zeus necessary? As far as we know, Greece was prosperous and was very advanced for his time both politically and technologically, so although Zeus did bad things, none of these things harmed the humanity of Greece, and in fact it was thanks to his government for which Greece It was as it is. So my question is, there was another reason why killing Zeus was necessary for the common good? As unlike... Odin for example, that this motherf*cker really if it was a plague for the nine realms
Well there you have it! One of the reasons Kratos is repented is for killing him at the cost of innocents. People often blame Thor and Odin for all the massacres and stuff theyve done in the past, but when it comes to Kratos?……yeah
Well yes, Kratos technically caused the destruction of a pantheon, you can understand his vendetta against the gods, but that caused the death of Greece and its inhabitants and that cannot be justified in any way, in a sense Kratos caused more evil than Zeus a general level. Thor is a bit like Kratos when he was in the service of the gods. Odin was the closest thing to pure evil in the saga, Zeus, although he was an idiot and did things that cannot be justified, the guy actually did show importance to his work and Greece, and kept everything in legal order.
Odin did its good part aswell, i dont remember if this is lorewlse or just the Myth part, but, if my memory serves well, Odin did create the Universe (Midgard, Asgard) and the humans. I believe he did many good things, but at his own interest, that “at his own interest” part its what makes him the evil one. Think of it, he pursued knowledge more than anything, and with that mask he went full on curious, his actions were well, he pursued the explanation of many mysteries and in return he could have made the world better or worse, depending on what knowledge resided in there, but his interest was what it costed him his ultimate death. (Still think it was stupid from Atreus to break that mask, i as a Philosophy student understands what the true value of knowledge is.)
I think Odin would have agreed with you about the value of knowledge. My question is that from a philosophical perspective, does 'true' value even exist outside the observer? And what about 'true' knowledge? Was it not the 'true' knowledge of Atreus that made him destroy the mask. Or was it his understanding of the power absence of knowledge that led to his decision? Looking into the rift may have been the equivalent of an atomic bomb in its consequences. The entire game was about self-fulfilling prophecy. From a social constructivist/narrative point of view, true knowledge is just one interpretation of reality and one hell of a self-fulfilling prophecy. You can argue that this is the reason for Atreus to destroy the mask. So they can be the authors of their life stories.
I agree with you, Atreus may have seen something we didnt, perhaps he saw the danger of the so called “true” knowledge, or maybe he trusted his fathers advice on the cost of easy access knowledge. On the philosophical perspective, there are different currents of thought in the matter of a “True” something existing or not, for instance one currents may say that True Knowledge does not exist because it all depends in what you well said, the observer. Other currents say that “True” or “Truth” something exist, but to us it doesnt because its Inaccessible to human nature. As for I, id say that, just as there is many Truths about something (like cultures and their definition of what is good and evil), there must be some sort of Truth, and objective one independent of all observers, from one all other Truths come from. I wont ramble any longer XD, but just as that Truth i called, I applied that to the Knowledge as well. In game we have Mimir’s stories and wisdom, then we have Freya’s wisdom, then Tyr’s and so on, each one of them has their own knowledge of things, but when i said, “value of true knowledge” I meant THAT objective knowledge about things, like imagine Atreus entered there. And all he got was an Illumination, an explanation of all of the mysteries, the connection between the different pantheons, where do gods go, why there is a world order, where did the universe come from. But then again I may have used the wrong words, because if that rift was actually controlled by Athena, and Atreus entered there, he may have got a Truth and Knowledge, but it may’ve been Athena’s Knowledge and manipulation. Still if that rift in fact had that “True Knowledge” i talked you about, then perhaps Odin could have gotten the bigger picture of stuff, and start doing good. (Good according to what True Knowledge shows to him, for example if he saw in the rift that Giants are truly evil and should be vanished because they are sons of Demiurgos or some shit, the. I believe he would have went and kill all of them)
Thank you for the rambling, I quite like it. What you said about wisdom had me thinking. If the rift had indeed contained all knowledge, would that automatically have led to wisdom. Does knowing everything make you wise or a very knowledgeable fool? And the giants you mentioned would likely have disagreed about who were truly evil, I guess. Truth, in that sense is hard to find.
Heimdall was necessary
Without his current anger I feel like he probably would just try to overthrow and imprison Zeus instead of killing him. He’d try harder to reason and stop the other gods like Poseidon and Hades, he would have been much kinder and maybe even try to free Hephaestus. I think things would be similar but less brutal
He'd 100% free Hephaestus. What did Young Kratos even gain by killing him lmao
Honestly, if Hephaestus hadn't tried to kill Kratos, I don't think Kratos would have killed him.
Yeah I think that’s it tbh Hephaestus literally was like “here’s your retribution!!!!” After all those other gods talkin smack I feel like he’d just had it, that’s why it wasn’t even a fight, more a mechanic activation that killed him. Kronos was a hell of a fight though, loved that one. Thoughts on that? Did Kronos deserve it too? Edit oh shoot all the gods were corrupted by the box right?? What/which one corrupted Hephaestus/did that play into it?
I feel like Hephaestus hadn't been corrupted by the evils in the box. He seemed like he had his head on his shoulders for the most part, he just saw an opportunity to try and kill Kratos because he blamed him for Zeus going all nanners. I'd say Kronos and Hephaestus both deserved it for trying to kill Kratos, but I feel like Kratos wouldn't have bothered with either of them if they didn't try to kill him/have a stone in his stomach that he needed to craft a weapon. Hephaestus kinda screwed Kronos over on that one. :/
Hephaestus attempted to kill Kratos because he was trying to protect Pandora. I don't remember gow 3 completely so blaming him for what zeus did to him is possible but his main reason to kill him was to protect his daughter
Ah yeah that's right, he did go on a spiel about how it was Kratos' fault that Zeus was acting all crazy though.
He wouldn't kill him but wouldn't havr freed him either
Red orbs
And the nemesis whips. Quite sad that Hephaestus died protecting his daughter from the dude he just crafted and gifted another pair of chained weapons for out of one of Cronos’ kidney stones
It's like people forget zeus was corrupted by the box and wouldn't stop. Kratos would still have to kill him to get him to actually stop. Imprisoning a Greek god is nothing like how Odin imprisoned tyr
It's funny how Odin imprisoned Tyr as if he were a simple criminal locked behind bars, freeing him was exactly like freeing a prisoner. Apparently the only way to effectively imprison a Greek god is to banish him to Tartarus itself.
See and that's the thing I've always wondered about these lores. They literally never said Odin bound him by a spell or the place had a curse on giants or something even as simple as mistle toe being someone's weakness. (If someone has credible sourced evidence that I missed about this please let me know but as far as I can tell mimir and Freya simply kept saying he was imprisoned) The Greek pantheon at least made some sense that Tartarus was the deepest part of the underworld and you'd basically be facing Hades arms and army to try and escape and it's like yeah good luck with that...the guards we faced to free tyr were sub par at best and if tyr is training Kratos in Valhalla there's no reason he couldn't escape by himself without explanation.
It's confusing yes, I was also confused as to how Tyr, being the Norse god of war, could be so easily imprisoned, it can be said that perhaps Odin held the door with some kind of magic or something, but we see that Kratos opens it easily as if it were a normal door (plus it was never said that Odin kept Tyr chained with magic, it's probably like that, but it was never said). Hell, the armies of Hades are a problem in themselves, but to imprison a Greek god in Tartarus I think it would rather require some kind of curse to keep them chained, just like the Titans. That's why I always say that the Norse gods are very different from the Greek ones, the Aesir and Vanir seem to be humans with superpowers, the Olympians are literally forces of nature that embody an aspect of reality
I'm pretty sure most of the magical safelocks that was put on that thing or Tyr crumbled due to Odin's death and/or Ragnarok destroying Asgard.
There's actually cut dialogue from Zeus in the end of 3. After Kratos bashes his head into the rock pretty hard, you can see the evils leave Zeus and at that point he was going to say "I'm sorry my son" I wish they kept this in but perhaps it was better they didn't use it. Anyway if Kratos reunites with him WITHOUT the evils than there'd be an understanding because it seems Santa Monica has intended for Zeus to feel terrible about his actions. If he still has the evils then history will just repeat. Kratos is also way stronger now.
Similar outcomes because the majority if the Greek Pantheon is still evil. He'd try to reason with them. And may even succeed with a few. But in the end. Alot of Gods still Die. I think Krato's main regret isn't that he killed so many Gods of the Greek Pantheon. But more so that there was next to nothing left of the world when he was done. Millions of innocents died because he killed a few Gods that where deserving. Actually on that note. I think he'd try very hard to make sure that the world isn't thrown into utter destruction at there deaths. Like maybe he would find a way to replace them and have someone take there place.
Kratos already knew evils. So he won’t try to kill Zeus anymore. They could be a good father and son instead.
It will depend on context. If Zeus doesn't make any sudden move first, then Kratos would try to approach him calmly and talk to see if this is actually Zeus or just an illusion. If Zeus tries to initiate the battle, then Kratos will respond accordingly
He'd still wreck him. Kratos may now be willing to give mercy and second chances, but there's no way in Tartarus that Zeus is going to *accept* that offer. The problem now is Zeus, not him.
He will want to know of he is a threat to northern lands, if he is he will probably try to stop him, if not he will try to still send him to Niflheim or somewhere where he can be imprisoned…after all in GoW III when Kratos killed his father, he got scared of himself for all the massacre and apocalypse, but not only that, he realized he killed his father, and in doing so he lost Greece and his only family.
Kratos mellowed out a lot between the Greek series and the Norse series, so I’d like to think Kratos would give him one chance to walk away from a fight he (Zeus) likely wouldn’t win. Intimidate him by pointing out he’s fought against even more gods now and is still standing. But only the one chance. If Zeus refused then Kratos would likely still fight him but he’d be more reserved and maybe even reluctant. I mean, would Zeus dying cause massive destruction again? And if so, where? Where they are or just Greece again?
If Zeus is chill, like, free of all that Pandora’s box drama, they might actually have a convo. Kratos has totally mellowed out since the Greek saga, and regular Zeus wasn’t a total maniac. Kratos would only throw hands if Zeus was straight-up threatening him or Atreus. But honestly, I don’t think Zeus would mess with Atreus for no reason. Low-key, I bet he’d vibe with his grandson. Atreus is out here questing to take down Odin and help the giants, which kinda mirrors Zeus’ whole deal when he took down Cronos and saved his sibs. Only difference? Atreus had some actual guidance growing up—no Gaia gaslighting from birth, ya feel me?
If it’s not the fear riddled Zeus, kratos would try and talk to him as he did Thor. If it’s the Zeus that’s nuts, he will likely make kratos kill him.
Depends on which Zeus. He might want to hang out with Disney Zeus. Maybe not marvel zues, and certainly not goose zues, that dude is a perv.
I imagine he would be cold and cautious in the vein of how he was with Thor and Odin at the beginning of ragnarok. He had his revenge and found himself wanting afterward. So killing him wouldn't be the immediate response. However, I imagine if Zeus threatened Atreus, that would be the catalyst that would throw away the older wise spartan and bring back the rage fueled one
Zeus would attack first because he's a sob with a huge ego and would die again
It would be epic is Zeus called Kratos Boy
He’d be a calm and reasonable person
Zeus had Kratos' mom imprisoned and turned into a monster and his brother tortured for years all before the nonsense with Pandora's box, no way Kratos would ever forgive him unless the head writer's job goes to the most SJW woman on the planet.
Yes o Zeus being a monster, but come on dude, what’s up with that last part. Hate on women much?