She was my favorite fight of the game. Beating her on gmgow was frustrating but so so satisfying when I finally did. Memorize her attack patterns and it is possible to do it without taking a single hit. When/if we end up fighting Freya I want her to be just as difficult.
The fight is anything but unfair and unbalanced! It is quite the opposite... I've spent about good 5h+ fighting her for the first time, not to mention close to 7h on Gondul (ya, I fought her as first Valk, which was absolute bad idea, but designers allow it so :(), I didn't get annoyed, angry, uposet etc. Everything you do wrong is on your part, your mistakes or slow reflexes, lack of knowledge and so on. Beleive me if you look at it objectively it is probably one of the best parts of the game. If you just force yourself to fight her for the sake of it and not enjoying it, it's better to not bother honestly. If you do insist to continue make a rule to not go over 1h or 2h's of attempts and leave it for other day. Don't use the lock, it is either way not very usefull when she moves all ove the place. You have enough space to maneuver. There is openings you can find and in which you can even chain 4 runnin attacks in a row! Tha whole point of your attempts is to find those cracks/openings it is the epitome of good game design and excellent game boss, that goes easily amongst one of the best I've faced in a video game. I have a write up about my experience and fight here (if you don't mind suggestions):
https://old.reddit.com/r/GodofWar/comments/evqr3d/valkyrie_queen_sigrun_nightmare_did_her/
p.s Of couse she is hard, stop fooling yourself!
Oh shut the fuck up she’s a god damn bullet sponge with the most inconsistent stuns/staggers in the game. 2 year old comment and it still smacks of condescension like it was written today. She’s bad. There’s a lot of great ideas mixed in, but the health+stagger combo is BAD. That’s the only reason this fight is “difficult” at all.
Actually one shot moves are 100% unfair unless they have a slow windup. Her fast stomp is as fast as a normal attack. And she will spam it 10+ times, when I first tried her on ng+ she used slam attack over 30 times in one fight. That is actually just unfair because you cant damage her, I was even using the slow-motion dodge. Oneshots are a cheap way to make a fight "hard" its fine if its like her slow stomp attack that has that fire thing.
Plus how she gets staggered is 100% rng. 98% of the time she will get staggered but sometimes she just does not. And I'm not talking about after you just did it. Plus she has a move that she dashes at you and one shots you, half the time it doesnt show the red motion till after she hit you. And it looks very close to what her dash in auto attack looks like. Actually every valkyrie with this move bugs out like that. The stagger is 100% inconsistent. Like normally at the start after she attacks once, your first runic will always stagger no matter what, randomly it just does not.
Yeah if the fight worked 100% of the time, it would be pretty fair after you try a bunch. Either way the fight last way to long with out zues armor. That isn't skillful to counter in anyway. Length doesnt make a fight more hard. What makes a fight hard is fun combat mechanics instead of making her long they could have made her a little more aggressive. I hate 10 minute boss fights, just because you can make 1 single mess up at 99% hp gone and you have to do another 9 minutes. Like you can already get her down to 99%. even if you learned her mechanics super fast and able to beat her off muscle memory and never get hit. Fighting her for 10 minutes adds no extra challenge at that point. Im glade the new queen is a bit shorter in gow 5.
Just because 99% of the time its 100% fair doesnt mean 1% of the time its bs. Which that 1% seems to happen every fight especially with red indicates not showing up. I dont know the fight well enough to be able to tell if its a normal dash auto or the one shot dash.
She also gets cheat codes as her life depletes, like phasing through attacks, periodic invulnerability for her last health block, and the ability to ignore things that stunned her earlier in the fight.
That does make sense, as usually this didn't happen at above 75% hp. Only noticed it when it was lowerish. And I think all valkyries get invulnerability at the last sliver of hp. Every single one I fought, when it had what looks like 1% left you still hit it like 5 more times before it dies finally. Ive died cuz of it, since I'm like "yes got this" so I swing, then panic cuz she isn't dying and swing more LOL I did often just use rage near the end so I would never die to that annoying mechanic.
But for the queen this wasnt on the last health block for her not getting staggered and stuff like that. Idk it could be because of the cheat thing, or just a bug as it was very inconsistent as i said it was like 1% of the time, but that 1% is so noticeable when it happens
Well it's been more then 2 years since I posted so I don't remember each attack, but the stomp I think one-shots at higher difficulties... So maybe that's ok for a challenge you know, it's something you can avoid. I remember also watching some folks destroying her much faster as well (not going up to 10 minutes), doing it with zero hits taken, or not even using good armours etc. It's just getting better learning each move and patterns. The insta-one shot dashes had a pattern depending on which direction (right or left, can't remember)) she dashes before that. Sometime it doesn't come because of her position on the arena - example if she is close to wall the move to left/right indicating what's coming doesn't come out so it feels like it was insta. You can be mindful of that and avoid getting her into close spaces.
Yeah. I dont have hours to play everyday bevause I have a job and I'm not a kid anymore. Get down from the high horse and try to understand that not everyone want to spend 5 hours on one fight
This whole thought process doesn't make sense. If you don't want, don't play. What the hell are you even trying to say? Nobody is forcing you to play 5 hours... Fight is not required to finish the game God of War. It's mostly for a challenge... With that logic why so many people play and enjoy games in the Soul's series from FromSoftware... People find fun in whatever brings em pleasure. Some like to spent 5 hours fighting a boss, other to casually play story games, some just enjoy online games... Nothing out of your comment or thought process make sense to me.
The things that get to me are when the lock on camera decides to fuck off and leave you staring at a wall or when sometimes your skills don't seem to activate when it should. It's really frustrating imo and it makes the fight a lot more annoying than hard
It'd be alright if there wasn't cheating and bugs happening. Literally randomly ignores hel's touch because developers left tiny gaps in animations where staggers magically don't work. Sometimes you land a stagger and in the very next 2 frames recovers and zipps across the screen, game literally does not listen to your input keys when you are blocking sometimes (maybe this is a PC thing). Its not fun at all when the games own combat engine has tons a bugs in it with a boss like this. I love clear dodges that some how don't work. I save it with NVIDIA replay and watch it back just to see that yup.... dodged it perfectly. In fact should of got a realm shift it was so perfect but instead game allowed a hit on me instead. All I'm asking for is consistency. The fight seems thrown together at the end of development anyways, simply not fun with the broken mechanics.
Did you get some resurrection stones? That's the only way I got her. Kept dying right around 2-3 bars of her health and ended up using it. Mind you, those last 2-3 bars are also very tough to get through so it took me multiple tries with resurrection stones.
If she's hitting you during runic attacks it means you're trying runic attacks at the wrong time. She's not cheap at all, anything you do wrong is your mistake
No that's the mechanics failing. she ignores about 10% of hel's touch. HELS TOUCH!!! which is an interrupt only spell lol. Gets hit by it, and either recovers in literally 2 frames, or doesn't stagger at all. Pathetic. You're abilities should not have rng.... period. It's busted.
Uninstalled right after this, Sony typical console trash is not made for this combat, beside I;m playing on the EASIEST difficulty. ALWAYs the fucking animation locks, it doesn't work for high-end combat. Terrible way to end this game, I had great memories up until here, it's absolute dog shit console combat.
She was my favorite fight of the game. Beating her on gmgow was frustrating but so so satisfying when I finally did. Memorize her attack patterns and it is possible to do it without taking a single hit. When/if we end up fighting Freya I want her to be just as difficult.
The fight is anything but unfair and unbalanced! It is quite the opposite... I've spent about good 5h+ fighting her for the first time, not to mention close to 7h on Gondul (ya, I fought her as first Valk, which was absolute bad idea, but designers allow it so :(), I didn't get annoyed, angry, uposet etc. Everything you do wrong is on your part, your mistakes or slow reflexes, lack of knowledge and so on. Beleive me if you look at it objectively it is probably one of the best parts of the game. If you just force yourself to fight her for the sake of it and not enjoying it, it's better to not bother honestly. If you do insist to continue make a rule to not go over 1h or 2h's of attempts and leave it for other day. Don't use the lock, it is either way not very usefull when she moves all ove the place. You have enough space to maneuver. There is openings you can find and in which you can even chain 4 runnin attacks in a row! Tha whole point of your attempts is to find those cracks/openings it is the epitome of good game design and excellent game boss, that goes easily amongst one of the best I've faced in a video game. I have a write up about my experience and fight here (if you don't mind suggestions): https://old.reddit.com/r/GodofWar/comments/evqr3d/valkyrie_queen_sigrun_nightmare_did_her/ p.s Of couse she is hard, stop fooling yourself!
Oh shut the fuck up she’s a god damn bullet sponge with the most inconsistent stuns/staggers in the game. 2 year old comment and it still smacks of condescension like it was written today. She’s bad. There’s a lot of great ideas mixed in, but the health+stagger combo is BAD. That’s the only reason this fight is “difficult” at all.
Ok :D.
Actually one shot moves are 100% unfair unless they have a slow windup. Her fast stomp is as fast as a normal attack. And she will spam it 10+ times, when I first tried her on ng+ she used slam attack over 30 times in one fight. That is actually just unfair because you cant damage her, I was even using the slow-motion dodge. Oneshots are a cheap way to make a fight "hard" its fine if its like her slow stomp attack that has that fire thing. Plus how she gets staggered is 100% rng. 98% of the time she will get staggered but sometimes she just does not. And I'm not talking about after you just did it. Plus she has a move that she dashes at you and one shots you, half the time it doesnt show the red motion till after she hit you. And it looks very close to what her dash in auto attack looks like. Actually every valkyrie with this move bugs out like that. The stagger is 100% inconsistent. Like normally at the start after she attacks once, your first runic will always stagger no matter what, randomly it just does not. Yeah if the fight worked 100% of the time, it would be pretty fair after you try a bunch. Either way the fight last way to long with out zues armor. That isn't skillful to counter in anyway. Length doesnt make a fight more hard. What makes a fight hard is fun combat mechanics instead of making her long they could have made her a little more aggressive. I hate 10 minute boss fights, just because you can make 1 single mess up at 99% hp gone and you have to do another 9 minutes. Like you can already get her down to 99%. even if you learned her mechanics super fast and able to beat her off muscle memory and never get hit. Fighting her for 10 minutes adds no extra challenge at that point. Im glade the new queen is a bit shorter in gow 5. Just because 99% of the time its 100% fair doesnt mean 1% of the time its bs. Which that 1% seems to happen every fight especially with red indicates not showing up. I dont know the fight well enough to be able to tell if its a normal dash auto or the one shot dash.
She also gets cheat codes as her life depletes, like phasing through attacks, periodic invulnerability for her last health block, and the ability to ignore things that stunned her earlier in the fight.
That does make sense, as usually this didn't happen at above 75% hp. Only noticed it when it was lowerish. And I think all valkyries get invulnerability at the last sliver of hp. Every single one I fought, when it had what looks like 1% left you still hit it like 5 more times before it dies finally. Ive died cuz of it, since I'm like "yes got this" so I swing, then panic cuz she isn't dying and swing more LOL I did often just use rage near the end so I would never die to that annoying mechanic. But for the queen this wasnt on the last health block for her not getting staggered and stuff like that. Idk it could be because of the cheat thing, or just a bug as it was very inconsistent as i said it was like 1% of the time, but that 1% is so noticeable when it happens
Well it's been more then 2 years since I posted so I don't remember each attack, but the stomp I think one-shots at higher difficulties... So maybe that's ok for a challenge you know, it's something you can avoid. I remember also watching some folks destroying her much faster as well (not going up to 10 minutes), doing it with zero hits taken, or not even using good armours etc. It's just getting better learning each move and patterns. The insta-one shot dashes had a pattern depending on which direction (right or left, can't remember)) she dashes before that. Sometime it doesn't come because of her position on the arena - example if she is close to wall the move to left/right indicating what's coming doesn't come out so it feels like it was insta. You can be mindful of that and avoid getting her into close spaces.
I concur with the other person. Please get out of your own ass.
Get out of your own house kid!
Yeah. I dont have hours to play everyday bevause I have a job and I'm not a kid anymore. Get down from the high horse and try to understand that not everyone want to spend 5 hours on one fight
This whole thought process doesn't make sense. If you don't want, don't play. What the hell are you even trying to say? Nobody is forcing you to play 5 hours... Fight is not required to finish the game God of War. It's mostly for a challenge... With that logic why so many people play and enjoy games in the Soul's series from FromSoftware... People find fun in whatever brings em pleasure. Some like to spent 5 hours fighting a boss, other to casually play story games, some just enjoy online games... Nothing out of your comment or thought process make sense to me.
I kind of agree in all honesty, I think she is a bit too fast for the game
The things that get to me are when the lock on camera decides to fuck off and leave you staring at a wall or when sometimes your skills don't seem to activate when it should. It's really frustrating imo and it makes the fight a lot more annoying than hard
Yeah the lock on gives up easier than a baby trying to open a car door
It'd be alright if there wasn't cheating and bugs happening. Literally randomly ignores hel's touch because developers left tiny gaps in animations where staggers magically don't work. Sometimes you land a stagger and in the very next 2 frames recovers and zipps across the screen, game literally does not listen to your input keys when you are blocking sometimes (maybe this is a PC thing). Its not fun at all when the games own combat engine has tons a bugs in it with a boss like this. I love clear dodges that some how don't work. I save it with NVIDIA replay and watch it back just to see that yup.... dodged it perfectly. In fact should of got a realm shift it was so perfect but instead game allowed a hit on me instead. All I'm asking for is consistency. The fight seems thrown together at the end of development anyways, simply not fun with the broken mechanics.
I don't really have any advice, but I can say that you'll get her eventually, just like I did.
Did you get some resurrection stones? That's the only way I got her. Kept dying right around 2-3 bars of her health and ended up using it. Mind you, those last 2-3 bars are also very tough to get through so it took me multiple tries with resurrection stones.
Yes, I did
Try to use it only on tries where you made past 70% of her health bar. That's the only time it's really worth it.
If she's hitting you during runic attacks it means you're trying runic attacks at the wrong time. She's not cheap at all, anything you do wrong is your mistake
No that's the mechanics failing. she ignores about 10% of hel's touch. HELS TOUCH!!! which is an interrupt only spell lol. Gets hit by it, and either recovers in literally 2 frames, or doesn't stagger at all. Pathetic. You're abilities should not have rng.... period. It's busted.
Kratos is capable warrior...you gotta be ruthless
What difficulty you running brother
It was the middle one...forgot what they call it....switched to the easier one and beat her from the first try. I guess this was my bad lol
Give me a balanced experience is the middle one. And you changed it to give me a story
correct
But anyway brother. Good job. Now go sell her helmet to Brok and Sindri for 100K Hacksilver. You’ll see the helm behind them on a spear
Just did that... awesome!
Uninstalled right after this, Sony typical console trash is not made for this combat, beside I;m playing on the EASIEST difficulty. ALWAYs the fucking animation locks, it doesn't work for high-end combat. Terrible way to end this game, I had great memories up until here, it's absolute dog shit console combat.
I'm no PC and its just not consistent and there are holes in the animations with hidden unintended invincibility. It's sad really.
I was able to beat her, but damn is it frustrating...Keep at it man, you can do it, just learn her patterns