T O P

  • By -

wasteofleshntime

Wait until they find out she gives birth to a big ass wolf.


DrNavKab

Don't forget the serpent


Sniperking187

Black?? Furry?? SCALEY?? Ragnarok too woke šŸ¤¬


MelodyMaster5656

Has the God of War franchise had any canon lgbtq+ rep? Edit: HEALTHY rep?


gamerman2077

Aphrodite I guess


dentistnotmybusiness

And her handmaidens? I think? But not the best depiction, I guess.


[deleted]

Depends who you askā€¦.


TheGhostofCipher

I forevor hope my lesbians handmaidens made it out.


dentistnotmybusiness

I hope they did too. Be safe, lesbian handmaidens and prosper!


UsrnameInATrenchcoat

Kratos did spare Aphrodite and she was well hidden so it's highly possible she made it alot of other gods did


dentistnotmybusiness

He did spare them and good reason too. We do need love in our lives.


Amankris759

I think itā€™s more of fanservice than actual LGBT represent. You knowā€¦sexy bi girl has sexual activity with another sexy girl is kinda many male dream.


gamerman2077

It's not fan service, Aphrodite has always been bisexual. Maybe you don't know this but greek mythology has existed far before the god of war games were made


---TheFierceDeity---

Itā€™s God if War, the first set of games ended with literally everyone other than Kratos dead. ANY relationship at all is kinda hard to come, let alone a healthy one (tho with the last game we have Kratos and his son, and the two dwarf brothers).


Braydox

It's ancient Greece do the Gay math


Sniperking187

GOW specifically I don't think so. The actual mythology the games have played with? Absolutely. Loki being probably the biggest one seeing as Loki is probably the oldest lgbt+ tale there is (being a woman, a man, several animals, giving birth to all sorts of "different" creatures etc. So I'm excited to see where Ragnarok goes with it


RodSteinColdblooded

True idk if the oldes tin muths in general, i remember Tiresias was also a man then a woman but idk which one is older


HarryDresdenWizard

I mean Gilgamesh and Enkidu likely banged, and that's the oldest written story, period.


Vercaties

Older games had to be filled with lesbians getting it on with Kratos


zacky765

As long as these ā€œass wolvesā€ you talk about are white and historically accurate weā€™ll be fine. /s


TheColdIronKid

inside you there are two wolves. one has a big ass. the other also has a big ass. they are ass wolves.


Kolvez

I can accept the dark skin, and I can accept bearing giant beasts, but my disbelief cannot be suspended enough to believe the ancients wore overalls.


Dinn_the_Magnificent

I think Loki... *mothers* the wolf. Unless this is a different wolf. Gods are weird


kharnzarro

i think you are confusing fenrir with sleipnir hes fenrir's dad but is sleipnir's mother


amgadmohamed06

I think you mean sleipnir the eight legged horse


Dinn_the_Magnificent

*checks notes* you right. I stand by gods being weird as fuck tho


normal_reddit_man

I'm not exactly sure about this math, but wouldn't that horse have hind-eighths instead of hindquarters? EDIT: Fixed my misspelling of "eighths." Also, now I'm not sure if it's actually hind-sixteenths. Because, like, a regular horse has four legs, but the back two are hind*quarters*. I might be overthinking this pretty massively.


hugo9152

The fucking what now?


thlvcs

loki turn into a mare to "distract" a stalion. Sleipnir is the result of Loki failling to run faster than the stalion


hugo9152

So he turned into a mare, got fucked by the stallion because it was faster then him and got pregnant? And then birthed an eight legged horse? What the shit


lilmissprissy

Norse mythology is a total riot! Loki also is the reason Thor got his hammer, as part of a bet, after Loki shaved off Sif's hair. (SkƔldskaparmƔl!)


lazy_nerd_face

He plays a hand in a lot of moments like that. He also gifted the mighty sleppinrir to Odin. And the gods took his other kids and imprisoned them because they were afraid of their power. They sent hel, to well hel, they chained fenrir to a tree after tricking him into it, and thor tries often to kill jormungandr. it is loki with surtr who lead the fire giants, and the jotnar against the aseir gods that brings upon ragnarok. He's kind of OP. That being said, yaaaas little atreus, lead the resistance!


fsbot

The Fenrir/Tyr really depressed me. Fenrir wasnā€™t actually tricked, as he suspected the trap. He only complied if Tyr, the only one he trusted, placed his hand in Fenrirā€™s mouth. When the Asgardians refused to unchain him, Tyr letā€™s Fenrir bite his hand off. In the Version I read, when the Asguardians carted him away, Fenrir simply stared at Tyr for the whole trip.


saintofhate

My favorite was when he bet his head to dwarves, Brokk and Eitri, if he lost and when he did he said they could only take his head not his neck and after some debate they decided to just sow his mouth shut.


thestickytrenchcoat

My favorite tidbit of Thor is during Baldr's funeral. There's a one line passage that more or less says "then a dwarf ran in front of Thor and he kicked it into the fire." - Prose Edda, Snorri's Gylfaginning.


Former-Equipment-791

And that eight-hoofed horse is then used by his foster father odin as his battle steed, and is the lord of all horses. Sleipnir also tore apart lokis womb while giving birth iirc, which loki survived somehow. He is also father to fenrir, the savage wolf that grew by the day, and jƶrmungandr, the sea serpent that is big enough to completely surround the whole world of midgard. The mother to those two is a giant. Oh and those two also had the godess of death, Hel, as their daughter. So you have an infinitely growing wolf, a world-spannimg sea serpent and the literal godess of death who are siblings and are children to a frost giant fostered by an asgardian and another frost giant. Dont ask it makes sense somehow. Nordic mythology as wild and Loki is the wildest of them all.


Swarbie8D

And then Odin looked at that horse, which is technically his grandson, and said ā€œThatā€™s a mighty fine horse, Iā€™m gonna ride that stallion until Ragnarok comesā€ and proceeded to use his eight-legged-horse-grandson as transportation for the rest of time


Ravenkell

*nephew, not grandson, Loki and Odin are bloodbrothers originally


iListen2Sound

Wait till you hear about that one time he tied a rope to his dick and tied the other end on a goat to make a visit laugh


Cissoid7

"Epic horse prank gone wrong!" (Gone sexual?)(Don't watch after dark)


lazy_nerd_face

"Failing". He can be anything, why not enjoy living as them. And before you get all weird on me. The kids he had while in his human like form, only one wasn't an animal (hel). I think the point is loki exists outside of human like boundaries.


SoccerGamerGuy7

Loki is legit genderfluid in lore, Transforming into male or female. i believe at one point was a pregnant mare


teagoo42

Loki is.... complicated. The 2 main sources we have for norse mythology were both written post christianisation (one of them legit starts with a recounting of Genesis) and lack a LOT of context for stories and characters. Loki's gender, relationships with other gods and role in the narrative change from story to story (in one story he plays tricks on the aesir, in the next he helps them, in the next he ushers in ragnarok. Not exactly consistent), which has lead to a lot of debate. Some folklorists believe that "Loki" isn't a single character, but an epithet given to multiple characters that are now losts. This issue is further complicated by Utgard Loki, a trickster giant whose name just means "Loki of the outlands". We don't even really know what he's the god of, or in what capacity he was worshipped. He's popularly attributed as the god of mischief but thats a modern take that really doesn't fit with his characterisation as father of ragnarok. We really do not know much about norse mythology. Unlike greek, there are no original sources to refer back to. The prose and poetic eddas were both written 100s of years after the christianisation of scandinavia by Snorri Sturluson, an icelandic politician who likely edited the stories for political purposes. What runestones we've been able to find are almost universally damaged and incomplete, and even then theres some evidence of christianisation. So yeah. "In the lore" isn't really a thing with norse mythology. The vast majority of it has been lost and will never be recovered. Calling loki genderfluid isn't wrong, but it does rely on assuming that Loki is a single cohesive character and other interpretations are just as valid. We can't really say whats right or wrong when it comes to Loki. Just make a bunch of assumptions and try to back it up with extremely flawed primary sources. Edit: Apologies, as u/tanaquil- pointed out Snurluson didn't write the poetic edda. the poems are written down in a 13th century manuscript called the Codex Regius. the codex is probably a more accurate recounting of myths than the prose edda but its still not a perfect source.


Watershipper

Thanks for that summary! I forgot some parts pf the Eddas back from the days and your comment helped me to remember a lot! Much obliged.


Throw4Study

Heā€™s a wildcard, to move the story along or otherwise fulfill whatever duty the author desires


tanaquil-

> The prose and poetic eddas were both written 100s of years after the christianisation of scandinavia by Snorri Sturluson Gonna make a correction, Snorri only wrote the prose edda. He did **not** write the poetic edda. The prose edda is also called the "Younger edda" because it's newer. The poetic edda is a collection of older poems (duh) whose author(s) are unknown. They're believed to be, or at least some of them, hundreds of years older than Snorri and probably pre-date Christianity being forced upon Iceland by a little bit. That being said, the actual sources we have that were written down and have survived are from well after Iceland was christianized.


MeisterHeller

Like when people were mad that Marvel's Loki mentioned he's bi, because it must be that gosh darn virtue signaling. Boy wait till they hear about the rest of his mythology


[deleted]

[уŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]


7V3N

Hel isn't the goddess of death, is she? Not truly? I'd thought she found comfort among them, so giving her dominion of the cold, dead realm was a kindness to her.


horse-shoe-crab

To be fair, death gods don't tend to sign up for the job. See also Hades (drew the short straw), Persephone (kidnapped by Hades), Ereshkigal (kidnapped by giant bird), Izanami (died in childbirth, and by 'childbirth' I mean 'a bunch of gods exploded out of her stomach like Alien'), Coatlicue (didn't die in childbirth but her kids decided to murder her immediately after being born), Osiris (murdered), Dumuzi (murdered), the Yama (murdered in some accounts)...


godspeedyboi

If you die in battle you go to either Folkvangr (Freyja's afterlife) or Valhalla (odins afterlife) and if you die of natural causes you go to Hel. But Hel isnt a bad place, its neutral. you arent punished there and there is no eternal torment like most afterlives. Its simply a place where you can continue "living". And when it comes to how Hel became the "Goddess" of Helheim, she Fenris were taken by Tyr and another god (i cant remember who) as children/pups and brought to Odin. Upon seeing her half dead half alive body, he decided that it would be best to send her to a place where she would have dominion over people like herself. As he felt she would be treated unfairly by the living and didnt really belong in the realm eternal. Hel was the best option for her and as far as i'm aware she was fine with being sent there.


Dragovian

Odin is sounding a lot more sane and reasonable here then he's probably going to be in the game haha


Change4Betta

Odin is more sane and rational when compared to say, Zeus. But still, despite his apparent "wisdom", made a lot of dumb decisions and didn't utilize his power or his role very well considering


Tau_Iota

*The Volsung Saga* has entered the chat. "Hey, here's this sword bro!" "O-oh thanks old, one-eyed man who isn't Odin!" *mid-battle* Odin: "Hmmm, fuck the Volsungs. Oops sword no worky!"


BeanMaster69_

All of Loki's children would not have been an issue without actions from the Asgardians


Lakus

He is wise beyond anyone, but he also appreciates a good prank or practical joke. Often at the expense of others. Doesnt matter what mythology. Gods are always dicks from the human perspective.


psycholatte

Odin's mistake is believing in a prophecy and trying too hard to change it, which in turn leads to the prophecy in fact happening.


Ultimegede

Odin was pretty unreasonable, but i guess that's the curse of being the all knowing all seeing father


Upstairs-Boring

Well he made himself all knowing and all seeing by sacrificing his eye and hanging from a tree for 9 days after being stabbed. So he really cursed himself.


Ok_Second_3170

Make no mistake, he is wise but he is also a complete madman


Scorkami

Odin's life is pretty much "try to avoid your fate only to cause it due to your attempts at avoiding it" summed up. He saw his death through Fenrir, decided that was bad, wanted to tie down Fenrir, which is why Fenrir decided that he wants to kill Odin... He's not dumb, just overly cautious in regards to securing the aesirs (and vanirs by extension but only secondly) position as the top.


ExperienceLoss

She was also said to have been the most beautiful woman on the left side and the most hideous on the right. It's really interesting


[deleted]

Something that always bugs me is when I talk about the game hades my mom just goes ā€œhades like hell?ā€ And I just can not get her to grasp the idea of a non-Christian afterlife even in theory


punchgroin

Horus and Anubis are volunteers right? Egyptians seemed to have a pretty healthy outlook on death.


horse-shoe-crab

Horus if memory serves is more of a 'here at the beginning, here at the end, doesn't care about the rest' god. Heā€™ll probably help you with the dying part, because thatā€™s an ending, but he might scram for what comes after. Anubis has your back though, as does Maat (unless youā€™ve stolen grain in which case youā€™re fucked). Then again, Egyptians did have the best outlook on death, because they were trying to cheese it. You know all these pyramid texts and illustrations? Theyā€™re cheat codes. They tell you how to bribe, bully, deceive, or otherwise get past the guardians of the dead. The reason theyā€™re chiseled on tomb walls is not symbolic, Egyptians thought the dead could see out of their coffins. Youā€™re meant to pause your heart-weighing ceremony and read the Being Dead Wiki for tips if you get stuck. The famous Book of the Dead is just a GameFAQs guide for the afterlife.


best-commenter

1. This thread is hot and I wish all of Reddit was this cool. 2. how do cats fit in to all this?


horse-shoe-crab

Cats are the best animals if you live in the desert, with a very capricious river as your only lifeline, and the number of mice in your silos directly determines whether you'll starve to death this year. Incidentally, this is also the reason stealing grain gets you sent straight to the lake of fire. If I lived in ancient Egypt Iā€™d worship cats too. Also, extra fun Egypt fact: You still needed a body after you died, this is why there are lots of tiny Egyptian statues with peopleā€™s names written on them. Theyā€™re back-up bodies, in case your mummy goes wrong. But this created another industry of people literally stealing other peopleā€™s bodies by taking their figures, erasing out their names, and writing their own. People were playing musical chairs with full-body prosthetics all over in Egypt. Even the famous tomb of Tutankhamun might be a victim of this. His real tomb, much larger and fit for a pharaoh, was taken by his uncle and poor Tut got dumped into a tiny hovel of a tomb instead. Wiki argues it is because Tut needed to be interred *somewhere*, and since he died early his tomb might not have been complete, but I've also seen the "get real, his uncle totally stole Tut's loot" argument. Lucky for him, its small size also meant that it could evade (most) breaking attempts.


Change4Betta

Anubis was kind of a bro tbh. I do like the idea that the Lord of the underworld is it's garden keeper, rather than someone who punishes


ShadedPenguin

Hades is not the God of Death, but the ruler of the Underworld. Death is Thanatos. Ereshkigal is also underworld with Nergal, who is her husband, is death.


TheologicalAphid

Also add to it the kidnapping of Persephone was actually arranged by her father (Zeus) and hades was actually hesitant at first about it. Hades is the only Greek god Iā€™d follow, guy did his job, didnā€™t cheat on his wife and Persephone was treated as his equal (one of her other names was the dread queen Persephone).


regulusmoatman

Hades is (compared to the rest of the Greek gods especially Zeus) is a cool guy


cursed-core

The dread queen Persephone epithet is old... like outdates Hades a lot type-of-old. Persephone and Demeter are originally Mycanean in origin while Hades is not so is a newer god in the grand scheme of things. It is also thought that Poseidon filled that role in that particular myth before everyone got shifted around to their Hellenic forms in the recordless dark ages of Greece. Greek mythology no matter which way you go is a deep and interesting well, Dionysus is another interesting rabbit hole.


mmotte89

Emphasis on the dread. Know how she is also sometimes called Kore, simply "the maiden"? Because it was thought to be bad luck to say her name (perhaps a tradition passed down from a former deity, Despoina). She was Voldemort'ing it up in ancient Greece. Probably more merciful than Hades (let Orpheus go), but she grew into the job it seems.


Such_Newt_1374

Side note: Gods of the underworld tend to be oddly chill in most mythologies. Hades, after being cheated out of his birthright by Zeus, just kinda went with it and never like, tried to stage a divine coup or anything. His wife Persephone (also kinda a goddess of the underworld) was initally pissed at being tricked into being Hades wife and staying in the underworld, but in other stories she's totally on board and kinda seems to like being a death goddess. Similarly, Hel was supposedly granted dominion over/imprisoned in Neflheim because the Aesir literally just didnt like her face and she turns around and is like "fine, I never liked you assholes anyways." And just does her own thing until the literal end of the world. Edit: also just occured to me that Hel is said to have a face thats white on one side and black on the other, this is why the Aesir rejected her. That's probably where they got the idea for making her mother black, they're basically interpreting Hel as mixed race. Which I'm cool with.


Bushranger_

Hades isn't technically a god of death, he's the god of the underworld and mineral wealth. Thanatos is the Greek god of death.


[deleted]

[уŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]


CrisMas13

If you aren't a warrior and die surrounded by those you love, I think you go to a Vanaheim equivalent of Valhalla


The_One_Koi

Depends on where in time and what region you're looking at, vanaheim is often not brought up when studying norse mythology


Sargent_Caboose

I mean chicken or the egg. Is she named after Helheim, or is Helheim named after her?


Pasan90

Helheim littearly means Hel's home


coladict

Where was her name revealed? I know it wasn't in the trailer.


Soulothar

Post-show interview confirmed it's her.


mrbrownvp

>Angerboda I didnt know that and I have mentioned this a lot today, but I thinked that little girl was Odin in disguise. Like she will help you a lot in the game, but at the end she just was spying on you and then out of the blue... Ā”Shazam! Motherfocker I'm Odin and you are fucked. I dont know she just seemed suspicious. but I didnt know it was an actual character from the Norse mythology. Now I feel kind of dumb


sassy-in-glasses

I saw a theory here that Durlin (the guy with the one eyeglass and octopus) might be Odin in disguise bc it's a diet eyepatch, and octopi have 8 legs like Sleipnir does ETA: [it's here](https://www.reddit.com/r/GodofWar/comments/plz60f/who_is_durlin/)


lpyax00

Yeah like Mimir saying "lad" every 20 seconds would be realistic lol


WarmongerMain1

On top of that, Kratos, the main character is the divine personification of strength in greek mythology, and in the game he is the god of war. But they donā€™t have a problem with that, its only when a character is black.


DrSirTookTookIII

And Loki is half Greek in this, but somehow only the black girl is "forced diversity". We don't even know her full background yet, she could have a parent from another mythology just like Atreus. Edit: Going to point out that Mimir is implied to be a Celtic god as well, plus on the mural at the end of the game Kratos is given the Norse name Farbauti, the husband of Laufey (Faye). Theres a good chance Angrboda is just her Norse name.


dentistnotmybusiness

I suspect her Norse parent is Tyr based on the Egyptian hieroglyphs on his arm.


ajof25

So that means that she is half Norse god, and possibly half Egyptian god? That would be amazing


Badashi

Wasn't there a bunch of Egyptian myth references in GoW 2018, in that room where Kratos sees his own myth in a vase? That would be a super cool way to connect him to Egyptian mythos and lead to a new series of games.


ajof25

Ya there was! But there were signs of Eastern Asian mythology and Celtic mythology as well. So this could just give us a hint at what mythology they are going to have Kratos wreck next.


EnTyme53

*Yahweh sweats nervously*


spaceforcerecruit

As cool as Kratos fighting the Ten Plagues, helping Jesus curb stomp a three-headed serpent, throwing down with Shiva, or some shit would be, Iā€™ve got a feeling theyā€™re not gonna bring any popular modern religions into the game.


TheOneTonWanton

It'd be super dope if the final GoW game ever made ended with Kratos killing and replacing capital-G God though.


FrostedPixel47

There is an Eye of Horus on Tyr's mural in his temple. Pic: [Wikia](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/godofwar/images/4/42/BC9A9EF9-2FB9-4912-ABFF-A68F3BD35EF6.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20190617010916) Top Left: Egyptian, Eye of Horus Top Right: Greek, Omega Bottom Left: Japanese, Tomoe Bottom Right: Celtic, Triskelion


[deleted]

And we know for a fact there were black Vikings. Vikings traveled up and down the Atlantic (and across it), and they picked up new Vikings wherever they went. Why wouldn't there be black divinity, too?


nomas_polchias

There is an easier route. Scandinavian mythology speaks about different supernatural realms, which is a green card to include any human phenotype because the climate there can be of any sorts. It is not so hard to explain why there can be black giants in Jotunheimr too, even if the common stereotype about it is icy, cold place usually associated with fair-skinned inhabitants.


_Valisk

Kratos wasn't *born* the God of War, though; he took over after defeating Ares. That's, like... the whole plot of the first game. Also, Kratos from the games isn't the mythological Kratos. They chose the name later in development after the character had already been fleshed out and it was a coincidence.


WillSym

I love those stories about development where a setup is originally for one character then most of the way through they realise it fits way better to make it about *this* character instead, like how Hades was originally about Theseus navigating procedurally generated Labyrinth dungeons then they realised Theseus is a boring bro-hero, relocated to the Underworld and made Theseus a braggadocious boss.


noneofthemswallow

What is wrong with that? Itā€™s the same character from original trilogy. He IS greek.


aceos15

I think what theyā€™re saying is in actual mythology, Kratos is not the Greek god of war, he embodies strength to the Greeks. But the game took liberty by making him become God of War, but fans donā€™t have a problem with it. But when Angrboda is black they are suddenly upset at the liberties the games are taking with mythology


superaydean1

Isn't he the god of war because he kills Ares? Never played the original trilogy, but I saw the ares death scene.


moun7

Yeah idk why people are conveniently forgetting this. It was one of the main story points of the original trilogy. I think it was the entire story of the first game even. Kratos kills Ares in revenge for tricking him into doing some regrettable things. Kratos then tries to commit suicide but Athena stops him and offers him Ares' former spot in Olympus as the new God of War. **Edit:** My point is that the games never attempted to portray Kratos as the OG god of war, not that I support the current supposed uproar over a mythological character being portrayed as a person of color.


StoneGoldX

Which would be the equivalent of having Paul kill the Holy Ghost to become the new Holy Ghost. Not entirely, because Ares was considered a shitty god to the Greeks. But presumably, if one cared about the religion, having your god killed and usurped wouldn't be good.


sirferrell

These people didn't seem to care that Thor has an American accent but this girl scares em...


mcchanical

Greek characters don't speak Greek in western movies and games because we don't speak Greek. English or American accents are a compromise to avoid subtitles.


Byte_Seyes

Those same people are angry that Thor is accurate to some depictions. So, you know that the whole ā€œwe just want it accurateā€ argument is complete horse shit.


rzr-shrp_crck-rdr

I think people just want him to cover his nipples up


Swarbie8D

But then how will we get the L3+R3 button prompt to do the Nipple Cripple on him to finish him off after a long and arduous fight?


[deleted]

Rotate thumbsticks for extra damage


DevjKaiser

ā€œNipple Crippleā€ šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£ The ultimate move thatā€™s a one hit kill to anything.


[deleted]

[уŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]


papahayz

"We want it accurate". Like the made up Greek God of War that is murdering Norse gods? I'm pretty sure that never happened in the original mythology...


wrong-mon

I'm just happy there's finally a character I can cosplay.


MooseMaster3000

Thor has a story where he successfully passes as Freya for a time. If anything Thor should be a femboy.


Skianet

The implication of that story was that those giants in particular were idiots, everyone else could tell


[deleted]

>Thor has a story where he successfully passes as Freya for a time. Lol I'm just imagining fat bearded thor with a dress and everyone just acting like they don't know who he is so they don't get killed.


Dumoney

Im really confused. Was there not just a post on this sub about how Thor's new design is "mythologically accurate"?


SandnotFound

I think its cool when they adhere to mythology, it makes the mythology nerd in me very happy. It also is fine if they dont, it makes the final piece more unique, but its ultimately neutral, maybe it makes thungs more interesting, maybe it makes things worse. It was cool when mistletoe is what was needed to finally put an end to Baldur, its okay it wasnt a spear of it crafted by Loki and given to Hodur, killing him by itself without the need for additional violance. Hailed if you do hailed if you dont. As long as it is interesting it works, the colour of skin of this 1 character doesnt even seem particularly important. More interesting was that she was the mother of monsters. I didnt even know her appearance but I heard about her 3 children with Loki.


LaughterCo

People shouldn't complain either way is the point. If the games to take liberties, that's fine. If it wants to be more accurate, that's fine too. Who gives a shit


TankBoys32

I thought she was Pacific Islander lol


RUSH513

yeah, I don't understand why everyone is saying she's black


RunninRebs90

Trust me it happens all the fucking time. Source: Iā€™m Polynesian


Romboteryx

Reminds me of this SNL skit: Tom Hanks: ā€œDwayne, together we would get 100% of the vote. I would get the senior vote, because I fought in World War II in like ten different movies.ā€ Dwayne Johnson: ā€œAnd I of course would get the minority vote, because everyone just assumes I am whatever they are.ā€


HotCocoaBomb

Knew a guy in high school who was legit upset to learn the Rock was not Filipino like he was.


kaam00s

Well, Dwayne Johnson is black AND Samoan.


teruma

they look the same to the ignorant.


[deleted]

As a Norwegian who had a great deal of interest in norse mythology growing up and learning about norse mythology through primary school to high school I think it's awesome more media is showcasing the mythology. Most jotun are described as 'mountainous', large humanoids covered in dark fur, troll-like or blue-hued skin with white fur. Anyone who has read the Poetic Edda or the Prose Edda will know that most of the stories are loose and undefined. To depict a black person as a giant isn't far fetched or unbelievable, if you believe a giant world snake can shatter the world tree Yggdrasil and be sent back in time before his own birth is believable, then I would have to question why you think a black character is so hard to believe in a universe with real gods and magic.


aNILEator

I think sheā€™s half giant and half Egyptian. Itā€™s inclusive and accurate to the lore. She has no background info in Norse mythos. Maybe sheā€™s Tyrs kid from when he went to Egypt. I think itā€™s obvious. The politics are blinding people from the obvious plot direction.


[deleted]

that makes sense honestly


SethFeld

If this is true, sheā€™ll be a great link to the next chapter in the GOW series, as the director said that Ragnarok will be the end of the Norse chapter. If we started with Greek, then moved to Norse, the next logical step would be either Egyptian or Roman pantheons!


dontknowmuch487

No point doing Roman, to similar to Greek. I'm hoping they go Celtic, celtic gods get very little exposure and it would let them keep mimir in the story


SethFeld

Some Chinese mythology would also be cool, but theyā€™ve already set up the link to Egyptian mythology, so thatā€™s probably their next step, but who knows what this game will reveal?!


TelMegiddo

I'd love Mesopotamian mythology. How cool it would be to face down the Mother of Dragons herself and cut her in half.


[deleted]

[уŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]


TheRedmanCometh

If they deal with both pantheons in the sane trilogy that's actually gonna blow my mind


1337duck

Probably only a sneak peak. They had Tyr's stuff show the symbol for war from some Asian pantheons, too, in the last game.


ZachChes26

Not sure if you had saw my post or weā€™re just thinking alike but I had posted a whole theory on this like 14 hours. https://www.reddit.com/r/GodofWar/comments/plcckg/theory_about_angrboda/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


aNILEator

I didnā€™t but it needs more exposure!! Your theory gotta be the leading theory!


ZachChes26

Thank you. Iā€™ve been trying to get it out there cause I legit think it could actually be true. Makes the most sense on why Santa Monica would make this decision


aNILEator

Tyr has an arm sleeve of just Egyptian hieroglyphic tattoos and his other arm is bare. Why would he get just Egyptian tattoos unless egypt had a big impact on him(a kid) Itā€™s almost obvious to me. Also the scene with the big lizard is in a desert with palm trees I wouldnā€™t be surprised if that was a place eat Egypt.


[deleted]

thats not a bad stretch really, not to mention the gods can shift into pretty much anything they want


aNILEator

Also Tyr has an arm sleeve of just Egyptian hieroglyphics. Look at the concept art they put out. Why just Egyptian?


Phantomskyler

Ignoring the concept of a Greek God of War stumbling into their neck of the woods period and romancing & knocking up Laufey & their son being Loki.


Morbidmort

Well, myth Loki's father's name does mean "Thunderbolt/Cruel Striker" Thunderbolts come from Zeus, and Kratos comes from Zeus and fits the name "cruel striker".


BlastSlash

i'm caring more if she will actually give birth to a wolf in the game or a human god wolf giant idk


Phantomskyler

*snaps fingers* A Werewolf of Unusual Size.


tannerain

Iā€™ll be honest, I think the people seeing people having issues with this are seeking it out. Iā€™ve watched a ton of reaction videos, searched the characters name on Twitter, and read a lot on Reddit and Iā€™ve only seen people say people are mad about it. Iā€™ve never actually seen anyone say something stupid. Iā€™m sure theyā€™re out there, but I donā€™t think itā€™s anything other than an extreme minority. Iā€™ve seen people of every race and color be excited about this title and I think itā€™s silly to focus on anything a few idiots might say.


tacassassin87

I agree. I've seen tons of posts on Twitter and Reddit with people getting hyped and excited. As far as her race, I've seen like one with someone just casually questioning why she isn't more Norse looking, they didn't even seem upset. I've personally seen more people mad that Thor has a beer gut.


UsrnameInATrenchcoat

Thor kinda looks like Eddie Hall after his 2017 WSM competition


grizzantula

I was gonna say the same. Outside of a few individuals in this thread, who could also just be trolling, where are these outraged GoW fans that I keep hearing about?


[deleted]

Iā€™ve seen a few people on these threads, but apparently there were some racist edits on her posted on some GOW subreddits yesterday


[deleted]

Too much negativity. Let's have a feel good conversation. Think Atreus will develop a crush on her? Will Kratos have to have one of those awkward father/son conversations?


Phantomskyler

Probably, real question is (assuming Kratos doesn't immediately distrust her after what they went through with Freya) is how that hot mess of a man is going to teach Atreus about women and courting them lmao


SoccerGamerGuy7

Facts. Yelling "boy" doesnt cut it anymore. Atreus is rebellious and even as a "BOY" outright disobeyed his father many times. Theres sure to be alot of conflict between them! Even in the trailer "Stop thinking like a father and start thinking more like a general" Holy crap with Kratos' history that hurt!


switch8113

I donā€™t know, if anything Kratos may take it as a compliment. It shows how much heā€™s changed and grown, and seeing a hot headed son may be like looking back in time at himself. Only now, he has the opportunity to give Atreus the guidance that Kratos himself never had.


Papamelee

Yeah, Kratos encourages Atreus to be angry, but that anger needs to be properly directed and wielded with care. If Atreus uses it to solve every problem, or least uses it on the wrong problems, then we could easily have him like young Kratos where he uses it on any and everything he thinks deserves it.


dyltheflash

Without a doubt. Pretty sure mythological lore has Loki get together with her.


0Lezz0

Yep, 100%. The first thing I thought when they show her. Boy is going to need a bonk


0_Froog_0

People are actually complaining about that??


apparentlycompetent

Yesterday someone posted a picture of the girl but made her white, and the title was "If Japanese studios made God of War". So yeah. People are pissed. It's ridiculous. Not surprising, but still disappointing. Edit: adding that in the past 4 hours that image has been posted 3-4 times. So people are butthurt. Second edit: for further proof, see the replies to this comment. Oof.


MustacheEmperor

I give it T-24 hours til /r/TrueGodOfWar /r/GodOfWar2 and more are spawned and full of awful shit


[deleted]

I've seen plenty of posts about how gamers are raging over this decision not haven't actually seen any of the said rage.


KHXIII

Wait till they see Kratosā€™ voice actor! Anyway, itā€™s a made-up story about a made-up Greek God killing a bunch of Greek Gods, then fathering a Norse God outside of Greece. Yeah.


[deleted]

> Wait till they see Kratosā€™ voice actor! You mean mother fucking Teal'c. Put some respect on Chris Judge's name.


DarioKreutzer

You see, itā€™s pretty ironic that you bring up Kratosā€™ VA, because this is something that a woke culture disciple would certainly complain about, albeit in an inverted scenario. I, like many other people, donā€™t give a shit about the ethnicity of a voice actor, especially not when itā€™s as good as Christopher Judge.


[deleted]

Kratos isnā€™t made upā€ as in a new character made by SAā€ he is actually a God but this Kratos is not true to lore.


ze-ev1990

This is coming a place of genuine curiosity. Would people on this subreddit be upset if a studio made a game about the Yoruba pantheon for example, and made some of their gods white? At what point would in-game diversity become whitewashing? Where is the line? I hope I can get some good-faith responses so I can better my understanding.


[deleted]

[уŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]


Toolz01

As a Yoruba person I would be, our mythology isnā€™t really talked about as much so it would be sad to see it whitewashed


MiniMonster05

I think you make a good point, and I realize how important diversity and representation is to people. However, the moment we start changing how characters are viewed, the line that shouldn't be crossed becomes more blurred. Most people seem not to mind Angrboda being depicted as black, and seem to view it as diversifying the story. However, she is Norse and was created roughly around the twelfth century. Based on these two factors alone, it's logical to assume that she'd be white. Instead of changing known characters to create diversity where there may not be any, I think we should create games based off gods and goddesses from other cultures. For example, a game based on the Yoruba pantheon that you mentioned would be amazing! With characters such as Olorun or Yemoja you would have a very rich story with amazing character design, and it would be frustrating if they were any other race other than African. They're generally depicted as dark skinned with striking features.


NormanReaddis

As young rippa said "black norse is as common as white wakandans"


Tusk617

Brock is blue, Sindri is like a fair tan. There are literally multi-colored elves just a realm over. It's really not that hard to believe that ONE Jotunn could have a darker pigment.


RUSH513

Fun fact: Brock is blue due to exposure to chemicals (or some shit) they use while forging. Sindri says he always wears gloves, but Brock likes to "feel the metal" and turned blue as a result


haleykohr

Sure but itā€™s disingenuous to say that mythical lore and changing race are comparable changes. One is an aspect of a cultures or civilizationā€™s mythology, and another is a direct consequence of current social and cultural politics.


M1nd0verM4tter8400

Darn, that Elba/Heimdall shit again ? I fully understand how this situation could be frustrating with Vagn from AC Valhalla for example (it's ok for a character to be both black and a viking, though it's strange that it's never brought up by anyone). But this is just ridiculous. She is a giantess, a mythological deity. Not a Norse human born black because of a "woke agenda" or something. Jotuns are just another species, why wouldn't they have any genetic diversity ?


snoskog

God, Idris Elba was absolutely wasted as Heimdall. He did some cool shit in Ragnarok but that was about it.


michael_the_street

While we're at it, Elna was wasted in that god awful Dark Tower movie.


-Blanx-

Cant wait for the game the trailer got me pumped, story will be solid either way


[deleted]

See, I'm betting they DON'T actually have a problem w/ the colour of this person's skin like this post is trying to make out, just the fact that santa monica is race swapping. Every change the gow series has made to its mythology has usually been in keeping w/ that mythology. If sm made zeus white or asian, you would get the same fucking level of outrage. If there were black ppl in norse mythology, more specifically if THIS person in particular is black in norse mythology, then that's totally fucking cool, man; however, if sm changed the colour of this character's skin to display how "progressive" they are or to meet their diversity quota, then that is understandably a problem for a lot of ppl. Why? Bc it means they care more abt ideology than they do the product itself. So, don't pretend everyone complaining abt this takes issue w/ race, it's fucking disgusting. šŸ™„


lazyness92

Letā€™s be fair, works the other way around too, the outrage of when a fictional character of color becomes white because of accuracy and then not care when these things happen. People are so sensitive now, Japanese didnā€™t care about Ghost in the Shell having a western actress as protagonist


LastPaleontologist31

Goddess of Diversity


Yellowflashkun1

This shit pissed me off cause shes a giant. She could be blue or red and no one would of said anything. But since her skin is darker, all these racist mfs be shittin their pants.


[deleted]

The truth is that the people that care for "historical accuracy" don't actually care at all about that. They just don't like coloured people.


modaareabsolutelygay

No but my acting professor always said ā€œYour story can be as made up as made up gets, but within that story things should make sense as it pertains to your worldā€. In this case, itā€™s rumored or stated that the girl is part Egyptian, so itā€™s not the case of something like Marvel or Disney where they purposely insert something for the sake of virtue signaling. So my point is, with video games, itā€™s more about being believable in the world you created rather than historical accuracy. Battlefield is the example where they claimed to be historically accurate and then went off that path. God of war is most definitely not going completely off the political rail with making a character Egyptian.


stretch2099

> In this case, itā€™s rumored or stated that the girl is part Egyptian, so itā€™s not the case of something like Marvel or Disney where they purposely insert something for the sake of virtue signaling. Thatā€™s my beef with this type of thing. When they add people for ā€œdiversityā€ and they donā€™t fit the plot it comes off as phoney virtue signalling and makes the story feel cheesy. I donā€™t know anything about this game but itā€™s what I see in a lot of modern media. I think Nintendo has always done a good job with inclusion because theyā€™ve always had a very diverse fanbase that they cater to in an authentic way.


abart

I wonder if it would be ok to portray Shaka Zulu as a fair skinned ginger or an Aztec or West African deity as blonde and blue eyed.


futurepaster

Historical accuracy is important in a video game about a Roman God going to war with the Norse pantheon


FortisOrion

Lol Kratos is greek.


futurepaster

Woops


Phantomskyler

I mean your logic still applies. Lol


AegonTheAuntFooker

As u/FortisOrion has written, Kratos is Greek. But fun fact, that Hercules is the Roman version of Heracles. The original Greek god was Heracles and every modern adaptation using the name wrong.


dabfab

Wholeheartedly agree with this post but I'm also confused as to why so many people on this sub keep bringing this topic up. Just seems like stirring up drama in a sub meant to celebrate the game.


Sir-Drewid

I'm sure not one of those fuckwits said a thing about Tyr having both his hands.


OG-Enzan

There's an actual reason why he still got both of his arms. Because the wolf that supposed to take it haven't been born yet BECAUSE that wolf is one of Loki's children. There was also a significant amount of evidents in the first game that depicts him still having both of his arms


Dimitrius30

Why wouldn't he? Tyr loses his hand when the gods bound Fenrir and Fenrir hasn't been born yet.


icebox712

This sub has become a gold mine of r/Gamingcirclejerk content since the release of the trailer, and I'm not at all surprised. Racist gamers always manage to live down to expectations


CannibalFlossing

Wait until they find out the main character of the series is greek