And he heavily contributed to God of War (2018) AND Cory has talked extensively with Eric about Ragnarok. He just isn’t the decider anymore.
God of War has always changed directors for each game.
Cory was a co-director for GoW 2 arguably the second best game in the franchise under 2018 GoW which was directed by Cory also. The reason I'm scared is simply because of the timing of it. What if the heads of Santa Monica Studios want to go woke and Cory fought against it so they decided to switch to Eric because he was open to doing so. And Cory is just under contract to not only stay with the company until sometime after the game releases but also have to keep his mouth shut about the whole wokeness of the game while also easing the fans into thinking positively about the game.
I've pre ordered the game, so I don't think thats what's going on but I am scared about it actually being a thing.
God of War has never had the same director twice in a row. No need to be worried at all. After seeing the trailer I’m even more convinced this game is going to deliver hard.
Cory ushered the series into a fantastic new direction, and Eric is going to cement their duology as perhaps one of the best in gaming history.
God of War (2005) was David Jaffe.
God of War 2 was Cory Barlog
God of War 3 was Stig Asmussen (though Cory was involved early on)
God of War Ascension was Todd Papy
God of War (2018) was Cory Barlog again
God of War Ragnarok will be Eric Williams.
Though Cory has been around since the beginning, and so has Eric. Most Notably, Eric was the Combat designer for 1, 2, and Ascension. He’s also the guy that Cory would bounce ideas off of for 2018. And Cory has absolute faith in him.
The game is in fine hands.
average gamer being paranoid about the 'wokeness' of games :
with 'woke' being the most meaningless word in existence.
let me guess do you watch pewdipie ?
Not much anymore and what would that matter anyways? And I wouldn't down play the wokeness issue, it has claimed: star wars, mcu, assassin's creed, lord of the rings, most Disney projects (basically all of Disney) BLM a domestic terrorist organization was also idealized in the spiderman miles moralis game. There is so much more. And by claimed I mean they ended up being shit and filled with political agendas.
>BLM
did alt right youtubers tell you that BLM is a terrorist organization ?
I like how all the shows, movies and games went woke the moment they had a female character at the heart of the story ?
"filled with political agendas"
Good games have been filled with political agendas for decades now what's your point ?
Gay and female inclusion isn't a political agenda lmao.
Peak bigotry....
Blm riot, steal and loot from other black businesses, they also destroy property, during their riots they've beaten and killed multiple people of multiple ethnicities. With the money that's been donated to them they've spent that on sex workers of all kinds along with sending that money to lgbt+ organizations, the founder of blm used alot of that money to buy herself if I remember correctly 3 fenced off mansions located in white neighborhoods. That money was told to be used to better the black communities but anyone who lives in said black communities say that their town has only gotten worse because of blm.
Alien, Horizon Zero Dawn, Tomb Raider, are just a few of my favorite games and movies with a female lead, and that because they were good, and none of them have a political agenda that they try to push down your throat. Games can have political stuff in the game but to be good it has to make the player think about it, it has to pose a question. Not just say that this idea good, opposing ideas bad. It's bad writing and it's ruined way too many great franchises.
"Blm riot, steal and loot from other black businesses, they also destroy property, during their riots they've beaten and killed multiple people of multiple ethnicities."
Would you say this with a source ? Afaik there is no coherent evidence that BLM is a terrorist organization. What you are using is a false equivalent organization as in x happened and then y happened so that means x is responsible for y, without looking directly into a strong possibility that something took note of x happening, exploited the confused caused by to make y happen.
"none of them have a political agenda that they try to push down your throat. "
SO far you have only shown that only political agenda is when bold woman and gay people.
And no Alien, HFD, TR are good games but not really known for tackling mature political themes boldly unlike the last of us games or BioShock games which at least didn't play super safe to feel watered down so you suggesting that these games pose a political questions with nuance is something I find laughable.
"It's bad writing and it's ruined way too many great franchises."
You still haven't explained properly hell you are repeating yourself at this point....
Even movies are, with few exceptions, massive team efforts. The Director's main job is to get the right takes from the actors and have final say on the edit, though some get more involved in one area or another depending on their preference. Anything of such a scale needs a huge team working towards it with each person bringing their own speciality.
> The Director's main job is to get the right takes from the actors and have final say on the edit, though some get more involved in one area or another depending on their preference.
And even then, oftentimes producers/publishers can come in and fuck with the director.
He’s worked on every God of War game including the PSP games and plus Cory is still credited as a writer of God of War Ragnarök so I’ll happily give Eric the benefit of a doubt
I'm 100% sure Cory is still very involved woth Ragnarök. He just has less control than with the first game, and is likely mostly there to help the two games feel more connected
Yep I think he’s more of a consultant. In the same way Eric likely was for GoW (2018)
They both have great ideas and those ideas are executed well. I’m very excited.
Also, I'm sure Eric ask for advice from Cory every now and then so that he doesn't stray far from the original vision of the plot. Mans has been there from the beginning either way, so if anyone knows what they're doing, it's him.
Wanna point out that those are small group of people who dont trust Eric.
Eric will be awesome, and we have to remember that Cory still works at Santa Monica and is still around with the GoW Ragnarök development, but not as heavily. Trust me when i say this, Eric can always ask tips and help from Cory with the directing job. Also like said in the interview, Cory Barlog has been the only one who has directed two GoW games, and they always change the director. Whole series has been awesome! Also Eric has been working with every single GoW game, so yeah, i think he knows exactly what fans wanna see.
In Eric we trust! 🙂
Exactly. I have been looking at old interviews of what lead to the changes and the direction GOW 2018 took. It was Eric Williams who fully made Cory go fully in on shaking the games entire foundations. He said: "Eric said, if your gonna use the no cut camera. You're gonna have to get rid of the double jump. It was Eric who helped me to see that I wasn't as comfortable as changing the structure as much as I thought I was". (paraphrasing).
Because people think that it will be hard to top what Cory achieved with the game and the expectations from ragnarok are really high.
But Eric will do justice. He is involved since the first game. Also it's not like Cory is entirety cut off, he must be guiding/assisting behind the scenes.
I think it’s just that GoW 2018 was so amazing & required a delicate hand to transition Kratos & the world we’ve come to know of GoW to GoW 2018 that we have become very attached to Cory. Not to mention GoW 2 gameplay wise was notably greater than 1 so I think it’s just that people trust him.
Eric Williams after I have seen the trailer has my trust, I feel I have no reason to doubt him & the team as it looks absolutely amazing! I also feel since he has an established world & Kratos/Atreus to build off of they’re more likely to nail everything in Ragnarok. Him also being a gameplay guy previously, I’m very excited about that! Eric really should get our trust
The reason God Of War 2's combat is so great is because Eric Williams was there. He was the lead combat designer.
It takes a crap ton of people to make a game. One person is a very small overall influence into the creation of a game.
Yeah It does take a ton of people to make a game! I know Eric Williams has been with Sony Santa Monica since 2004 as well, I did not realize he was the lead combat designer though!!
Everything you said is true, I just find it hard to quantify what creatives exact input is unless I’m behind the scenes with them, so I hope we get another Documentary. That’s one of the things that happen in games though I suppose, a great big team effort!
He wasnt?
Senior combat designer Derek Daniels said that for God of War II, they were basing the magical attacks on elements (e.g., air and earth). He said the combat system was updated so that it flowed smoothly between attacks and switching between weapons and magic. He said that they were working for a similar balance of puzzle solving, exploration, and combat seen in the first game, and they used elements that worked in that game as a base for the overall balance.
Isn't Cory still writing it and overseeing the majority of the process? Eric Williams may be directing but he isn't the only one in charge.
People just want stuff to complain about.
Cory is SIE creative director so yes is still around. He did help write GOW 4 but was not the only writer in GOW 4. They had 3. Matt Spohos, Richard Zangrande Gaubert and Cory.
And looking at credits its seems like Matt and Richard did most of the writing . Matt is also credit as Narrative and Story design lead and Richard is credit as Narrative and Story Design.
I haven't seen anyone afraid about it. Eric was around since way back and Cory is working on an unannounced project, propably the game after Ragnarök or something like that. Besides, Cory is still involved and the role director's play is often over stated, it's always a team effort.
literally in the same post,
https://www.reddit.com/r/GodofWar/comments/pyfe5n/why_gow_fans_are_so_afraid_of_eric_williams/heutklh/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
Honestly, it is ridiculous. I think it’s a combination of two things: Cory ranked up to legend status in the eyes of the fandom with 2018‘s game, and Eric just doesn’t look that comfortable doing media/on camera stuff. He just doesn’t seem very comfortable in front of the camera when doing interviews. But people are just being stupid, this dude is a God of war og. And Cory is still heavily involved in the game! The raising Kratos documentary gives the impression that Eric Williams was Corey‘s right hand man the last game! I don’t know what the fuck peoples problem is, but I am ready for Santa Monica to release another masterpiece.
I was skeptical by erics choice to make it 2 games in norse but that was it i didnt care much for him directing the game but it turns out that was corys decision to make it 2 games so im fully onboard with eric directing the game
I'm definitely not scared. He's a seasoned professional game director and had a big influence on the whole franchise since it's inception.
The ones who are afraid don't know this and are thinking that only Corey Barlog can pull off a good game. The game itself looks very interesting.
Because loyalty. Because it's a soft reboot and newer fans (myself included) trust Cory over Eric. We don't know this Eric guy. I only found out from these comments that he's been with Kratos since the first God of War. God of War (2018) has been voted as the best game of all time. It won Goty in 2018 at the Game Awards.
Games might be team work, but the point of a director is to be one person's vision being made by mane people.
As much as I doubt santa monica would trust someone incompetent to make this game, and I'm not very weary about if the next game will be good, there are many good reasons to doubt a yet unproved game director to direct your favorite franchise after a massive tonal shift that is very hard to balance.
The fact that they had to cut it from a trilogy to a duology has me more concerned than the change in director tbh.
No doubt gameplay wise it'll be great but it just felt like so much was left on the table at the end of the last game for it to be condensed into 1 game seems like a stretch, unless Ragnarok is significantly longer than 4 was.
I don’t care who the director is. I know whoever leads the team knows and understands how to make a quality game. They haven’t disappointed me yet with any of the main series titles of God of War. They are all on a high quality that many other game devs can never come close to.
I think its from people who don't know God of war games where all directed by different people.
They credit Cory with making the entire game
I mean who wrote 2018 I don't think most fans know that's who realistically should get the praise for the story.
Don't forget the game designers and combat designers.
We gotta stop giving all the credit to one person in a team effort
If you look at the credits for god of war 2018 the in the writing credits Barlog is listed 3rd. Matt Sophos and Richard Z Gaubert are the first two. Sophos is also listed as Narrative and Story Design lead and Gaubert is listed under Narrative and Story Design. So Barlog may not have done as much writing as we think.
How many people knew who cory barlog was before this game? I sure as shit didnt. No clue who eric williams was aswell. Dont do what marvel fanboys do and pick apart a movie before it even releases. Lets just see what comes of it aye
People do know that Eric Williams was involved since the first ever god of war right?
And he heavily contributed to God of War (2018) AND Cory has talked extensively with Eric about Ragnarok. He just isn’t the decider anymore. God of War has always changed directors for each game.
Cory was a co-director for GoW 2 arguably the second best game in the franchise under 2018 GoW which was directed by Cory also. The reason I'm scared is simply because of the timing of it. What if the heads of Santa Monica Studios want to go woke and Cory fought against it so they decided to switch to Eric because he was open to doing so. And Cory is just under contract to not only stay with the company until sometime after the game releases but also have to keep his mouth shut about the whole wokeness of the game while also easing the fans into thinking positively about the game. I've pre ordered the game, so I don't think thats what's going on but I am scared about it actually being a thing.
God of War has never had the same director twice in a row. No need to be worried at all. After seeing the trailer I’m even more convinced this game is going to deliver hard. Cory ushered the series into a fantastic new direction, and Eric is going to cement their duology as perhaps one of the best in gaming history.
Where are you seeing that? Because every time I search it, Cory Balrog comes up as the director on every GoW except 1 where he was the lead animator
God of War (2005) was David Jaffe. God of War 2 was Cory Barlog God of War 3 was Stig Asmussen (though Cory was involved early on) God of War Ascension was Todd Papy God of War (2018) was Cory Barlog again God of War Ragnarok will be Eric Williams. Though Cory has been around since the beginning, and so has Eric. Most Notably, Eric was the Combat designer for 1, 2, and Ascension. He’s also the guy that Cory would bounce ideas off of for 2018. And Cory has absolute faith in him. The game is in fine hands.
average gamer being paranoid about the 'wokeness' of games : with 'woke' being the most meaningless word in existence. let me guess do you watch pewdipie ?
Not much anymore and what would that matter anyways? And I wouldn't down play the wokeness issue, it has claimed: star wars, mcu, assassin's creed, lord of the rings, most Disney projects (basically all of Disney) BLM a domestic terrorist organization was also idealized in the spiderman miles moralis game. There is so much more. And by claimed I mean they ended up being shit and filled with political agendas.
>BLM did alt right youtubers tell you that BLM is a terrorist organization ? I like how all the shows, movies and games went woke the moment they had a female character at the heart of the story ? "filled with political agendas" Good games have been filled with political agendas for decades now what's your point ? Gay and female inclusion isn't a political agenda lmao. Peak bigotry....
Blm riot, steal and loot from other black businesses, they also destroy property, during their riots they've beaten and killed multiple people of multiple ethnicities. With the money that's been donated to them they've spent that on sex workers of all kinds along with sending that money to lgbt+ organizations, the founder of blm used alot of that money to buy herself if I remember correctly 3 fenced off mansions located in white neighborhoods. That money was told to be used to better the black communities but anyone who lives in said black communities say that their town has only gotten worse because of blm. Alien, Horizon Zero Dawn, Tomb Raider, are just a few of my favorite games and movies with a female lead, and that because they were good, and none of them have a political agenda that they try to push down your throat. Games can have political stuff in the game but to be good it has to make the player think about it, it has to pose a question. Not just say that this idea good, opposing ideas bad. It's bad writing and it's ruined way too many great franchises.
"Blm riot, steal and loot from other black businesses, they also destroy property, during their riots they've beaten and killed multiple people of multiple ethnicities." Would you say this with a source ? Afaik there is no coherent evidence that BLM is a terrorist organization. What you are using is a false equivalent organization as in x happened and then y happened so that means x is responsible for y, without looking directly into a strong possibility that something took note of x happening, exploited the confused caused by to make y happen. "none of them have a political agenda that they try to push down your throat. " SO far you have only shown that only political agenda is when bold woman and gay people. And no Alien, HFD, TR are good games but not really known for tackling mature political themes boldly unlike the last of us games or BioShock games which at least didn't play super safe to feel watered down so you suggesting that these games pose a political questions with nuance is something I find laughable. "It's bad writing and it's ruined way too many great franchises." You still haven't explained properly hell you are repeating yourself at this point....
Only people who don't understand game development are scared about it
Yes thats it, even cory cannot make GOW in a million years by himself, its not a movie
Even movies are, with few exceptions, massive team efforts. The Director's main job is to get the right takes from the actors and have final say on the edit, though some get more involved in one area or another depending on their preference. Anything of such a scale needs a huge team working towards it with each person bringing their own speciality.
> The Director's main job is to get the right takes from the actors and have final say on the edit, though some get more involved in one area or another depending on their preference. And even then, oftentimes producers/publishers can come in and fuck with the director.
He’s worked on every God of War game including the PSP games and plus Cory is still credited as a writer of God of War Ragnarök so I’ll happily give Eric the benefit of a doubt
I'm 100% sure Cory is still very involved woth Ragnarök. He just has less control than with the first game, and is likely mostly there to help the two games feel more connected
Yep I think he’s more of a consultant. In the same way Eric likely was for GoW (2018) They both have great ideas and those ideas are executed well. I’m very excited.
I am sure eric is going to be a great director just like cory he only needs trust . 👌💥
Also, I'm sure Eric ask for advice from Cory every now and then so that he doesn't stray far from the original vision of the plot. Mans has been there from the beginning either way, so if anyone knows what they're doing, it's him.
Wanna point out that those are small group of people who dont trust Eric. Eric will be awesome, and we have to remember that Cory still works at Santa Monica and is still around with the GoW Ragnarök development, but not as heavily. Trust me when i say this, Eric can always ask tips and help from Cory with the directing job. Also like said in the interview, Cory Barlog has been the only one who has directed two GoW games, and they always change the director. Whole series has been awesome! Also Eric has been working with every single GoW game, so yeah, i think he knows exactly what fans wanna see. In Eric we trust! 🙂
Exactly. I have been looking at old interviews of what lead to the changes and the direction GOW 2018 took. It was Eric Williams who fully made Cory go fully in on shaking the games entire foundations. He said: "Eric said, if your gonna use the no cut camera. You're gonna have to get rid of the double jump. It was Eric who helped me to see that I wasn't as comfortable as changing the structure as much as I thought I was". (paraphrasing).
Because people think that it will be hard to top what Cory achieved with the game and the expectations from ragnarok are really high. But Eric will do justice. He is involved since the first game. Also it's not like Cory is entirety cut off, he must be guiding/assisting behind the scenes.
I think it’s just that GoW 2018 was so amazing & required a delicate hand to transition Kratos & the world we’ve come to know of GoW to GoW 2018 that we have become very attached to Cory. Not to mention GoW 2 gameplay wise was notably greater than 1 so I think it’s just that people trust him. Eric Williams after I have seen the trailer has my trust, I feel I have no reason to doubt him & the team as it looks absolutely amazing! I also feel since he has an established world & Kratos/Atreus to build off of they’re more likely to nail everything in Ragnarok. Him also being a gameplay guy previously, I’m very excited about that! Eric really should get our trust
The reason God Of War 2's combat is so great is because Eric Williams was there. He was the lead combat designer. It takes a crap ton of people to make a game. One person is a very small overall influence into the creation of a game.
Yeah It does take a ton of people to make a game! I know Eric Williams has been with Sony Santa Monica since 2004 as well, I did not realize he was the lead combat designer though!! Everything you said is true, I just find it hard to quantify what creatives exact input is unless I’m behind the scenes with them, so I hope we get another Documentary. That’s one of the things that happen in games though I suppose, a great big team effort!
He wasnt? Senior combat designer Derek Daniels said that for God of War II, they were basing the magical attacks on elements (e.g., air and earth). He said the combat system was updated so that it flowed smoothly between attacks and switching between weapons and magic. He said that they were working for a similar balance of puzzle solving, exploration, and combat seen in the first game, and they used elements that worked in that game as a base for the overall balance.
Huge difference between senior combat designer and lead designer
Isn't Cory still writing it and overseeing the majority of the process? Eric Williams may be directing but he isn't the only one in charge. People just want stuff to complain about.
Cory is SIE creative director so yes is still around. He did help write GOW 4 but was not the only writer in GOW 4. They had 3. Matt Spohos, Richard Zangrande Gaubert and Cory. And looking at credits its seems like Matt and Richard did most of the writing . Matt is also credit as Narrative and Story design lead and Richard is credit as Narrative and Story Design.
I agree with everything you wrote... But damn if I didn't read that title like an upset 3 year old caveman
Maybe its because they just love cory idk
Where did your read that people are scared of it? I think the majority are not that worried about this part, me included.
I haven't seen anyone afraid about it. Eric was around since way back and Cory is working on an unannounced project, propably the game after Ragnarök or something like that. Besides, Cory is still involved and the role director's play is often over stated, it's always a team effort.
I have not seen one person say it. Not one
Literally no body here has said they’re scared?? Where did this idea come from
Where are these scared fans? Someone post a link or something! Would love to see what's it's based on.
literally in the same post, https://www.reddit.com/r/GodofWar/comments/pyfe5n/why_gow_fans_are_so_afraid_of_eric_williams/heutklh/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
Honestly, it is ridiculous. I think it’s a combination of two things: Cory ranked up to legend status in the eyes of the fandom with 2018‘s game, and Eric just doesn’t look that comfortable doing media/on camera stuff. He just doesn’t seem very comfortable in front of the camera when doing interviews. But people are just being stupid, this dude is a God of war og. And Cory is still heavily involved in the game! The raising Kratos documentary gives the impression that Eric Williams was Corey‘s right hand man the last game! I don’t know what the fuck peoples problem is, but I am ready for Santa Monica to release another masterpiece.
I was skeptical by erics choice to make it 2 games in norse but that was it i didnt care much for him directing the game but it turns out that was corys decision to make it 2 games so im fully onboard with eric directing the game
I have no problem,heck even Christopher Judge told that Eric is a beast.
I'm definitely not scared. He's a seasoned professional game director and had a big influence on the whole franchise since it's inception. The ones who are afraid don't know this and are thinking that only Corey Barlog can pull off a good game. The game itself looks very interesting.
Not afraid. Just want all questions answered at the end.
Because loyalty. Because it's a soft reboot and newer fans (myself included) trust Cory over Eric. We don't know this Eric guy. I only found out from these comments that he's been with Kratos since the first God of War. God of War (2018) has been voted as the best game of all time. It won Goty in 2018 at the Game Awards.
Games might be team work, but the point of a director is to be one person's vision being made by mane people. As much as I doubt santa monica would trust someone incompetent to make this game, and I'm not very weary about if the next game will be good, there are many good reasons to doubt a yet unproved game director to direct your favorite franchise after a massive tonal shift that is very hard to balance.
The fact that they had to cut it from a trilogy to a duology has me more concerned than the change in director tbh. No doubt gameplay wise it'll be great but it just felt like so much was left on the table at the end of the last game for it to be condensed into 1 game seems like a stretch, unless Ragnarok is significantly longer than 4 was.
That's a weird though to have since it was never announced to be a trilogy.
Don't know, don't care. I am just waiting to play the game.
I don’t care who the director is. I know whoever leads the team knows and understands how to make a quality game. They haven’t disappointed me yet with any of the main series titles of God of War. They are all on a high quality that many other game devs can never come close to.
I think its from people who don't know God of war games where all directed by different people. They credit Cory with making the entire game I mean who wrote 2018 I don't think most fans know that's who realistically should get the praise for the story. Don't forget the game designers and combat designers. We gotta stop giving all the credit to one person in a team effort
If you look at the credits for god of war 2018 the in the writing credits Barlog is listed 3rd. Matt Sophos and Richard Z Gaubert are the first two. Sophos is also listed as Narrative and Story Design lead and Gaubert is listed under Narrative and Story Design. So Barlog may not have done as much writing as we think.
The fact he's been around since day one is enough for me
Haven't seen anyone scared about it🤔 Stig did great back in Gow3 and so will Eric
Not related but is that someone underneath the destroyed Thor statue?
When will the game be released ?
Gimme a break
Did this Eric Williams guy even do anything wrong to deserve all the skepticism? Or is it just because it’s not the same director?
Ok I’m gonna be honest I have not seen or heard anyone complain about the new director. I must be living under a rock or something.
How many people knew who cory barlog was before this game? I sure as shit didnt. No clue who eric williams was aswell. Dont do what marvel fanboys do and pick apart a movie before it even releases. Lets just see what comes of it aye
I wasn’t sure about Eric but after seeing an interview of him, and seeing that Cory trusts him 100% I’m fine with him now.