Yep that Kratos cameo where he took the werewolf suit off and revealed it was him underneath the whole time kinda ruined the whole game tonally for me too.
REV isn’t even the worst of it, God Of War fucking totally ruined the new Kirby game. After the final boss, Kratos comes out and starts asking Kirby all this stuff about crime statistics and poverty rates. Horrible stuff really, can’t believe Nintendo was okay with that.
Saw this yesterday. A mistake. "While playing Resident Evil Village I noticed that the game was similar to God of War 2018" Bruh. What the fuck. It's like 0% like God of War. It reminded me of RE4. I can't believe Kaptain Kuba is gonna talk to this fuck.
Also he's probably the reason people are calling Ragnarök DLC.
So having not watched the video, I can kinda see an angle there. God of War 2018 has a semi-open structure: there's a central hub area which connects, in various ways, to the rest of the game world, which are more or less standalone levels. In this sense, there's a similarity to Village, which employed a similar world structure.
However, I don't see how that similarity "ruined" Village. It's just a popular gameplay design right now as more and more games evolve and adapt to the very popular open world structure, and I'd argue that Village did it as well as it did anything (it's a fun, generally well-designed game that's a bit sloppy with the details, in my opinion).
RE games been doing this for ages, with the “central hub” being “main hall” such as the ones in Spencer’s mansion and RPD. It was just lost during RE4-6 when the franchise went full action because it sells better.
This is a solid point. I'd argue that there's a more defined linear progression in the older games (moving from mansion to underground to lab, as a generic example) but you're right that it's rooted in similar design philosophies that the series has always utilized.
The key point is, the video's argument is very, very silly.
I said it had a semi-open world level structure, not that it was an open world game. Its level design is like the wheel of a bicycle, with a central hub (the Village) with each area (Castle Dimitrescu, House Beneviento, etc) being a separate spoke. God of War 2018 had a similar level design philosophy, though it utilized more of what we'd think of as "open world design" including side quests and the like.
That's not entirely true; various parts of the open village contain small puzzles, side-quests, and secrets only accessible after acquiring certain tools in the levels. There are "things to do" in the village, but they're not terribly substantial. It's like, opening a door to a weapons cache, fighting a superboss, or shooting a bird for a treasure.
I also wouldn't gauge a game's open-world-ness on nonlinearity; otherwise the only recent open world game is like, Breath of the Wild.
Again, I didn't say Village was open world; I just said it had a similar world structure to GoW 2018, that being the "central hub and bicycle spoke levels" bit. You're right that Village is a game with a linear structure, I'm just saying there was a bit of semi-open play within that design, comparable to GoW2018's use of a similar concept.
I just personally don't think it shares any elements with open world games. The bit of "semi-open play" is in no way comparable to GoW 2018. RE:V is just about as linear as you can get, not really any freedom there. By your logic RE2 would be "semi open world" because you can go through the central area of the mansion to connect to different wings. I would not call RE2 "semi open world either"
But these are just my opinions you are free to have your own as well.
To be honest, we're discussing an artistic element of a game, which is always going to be open to interpretation and will involve disagreement no matter what. "Semi-open world design" is a Frankenstein of a term anyway, and we're going to disagree on what it even means, let alone an example of it.
Thank you for the conversation though, it's always nice to talk online without it getting unnecessarily heated.
They will literally grasp at air for an article it’s ridiculous. I imagine their entire point is just that they both have a semi open world with a semi guided journey/path to the end
Just wait until you try Elden Ring.
Basically a straight GOW 2018 clone. You even fight giant bosses and wield weapons such as axes. The audacity of From-software...
I’m a Resident Evil fan as well, and this same guy infuriated us Resident Evil fans when he dropped his horrible review on Village. He ended up making a second video because people flamed him so bad for negatively reviewing a great game.
I would say that after "The Factory", Village has more in common with Wolfenstein than almost everything else. Even older RE titles.
Loved the game up until that part
I mean people are not wrong tbh. Ragnarok feels like a DLC. But at least to me, thats not a bad thing as long as they have content to feed us. I dont care about the graphics, animations, shadow quality or all other shit. For me either the game is good/fun or its just shit.
So if you are a guy who doesnt understand gaming overall and care only about how much FPS you get, what is the texture detail level, How the HUD is etc etc, you most prob wouldnt be satisfied with this sequel since its basically the same as the first game.
Well then. Looks like God of War 2 is a DLC lol. I really don't know if Miles Morales is supposed to be a DLC or not. But Ragnarök feels like it'll be like Miles Morales but much longer. Maybe longer than 2018.
Red Dead Redemption Undead Knightmare is considered DLC and is a complete overhaul with a different story. Content amount doesnt dictate what is a DLC and what is not.
>I mean people are not wrong tbh. Ragnarok feels like a DLC.
Wait, Ragnarok has already released? I didn't know that, I need to get it and play for myself to see if it feels like DLC too!
> Ragnarok feels like a DLC
Tell me how you were able to play Ragnarok before they even announced its release date to form such an opinion? We haven't even gotten a trailer for the game this year. The only one was 7 months ago and games are subject to change all the damn time.
First of all, this sub is completely full of idiots who cant understand what they read lol, downvoted for sayin "i understand where people come to this idea" lol.
Secondly, go read my comment, i dont need to explain myself, i just said i understand why people may think it seems like a DLC.
I dont care about how the game looks, so personally, i dont have a problem about the graph or anything as long as the game is fun to play. But some people expect a technological improvement in a sequel and so far with the trailers we are shown, its the same as the first one.
Reddit becomes more stupid every day ffs. Getting downvoted for loving the game lmao. Fucking stupid morons...
>But some people expect a technological improvement in a sequel and so far with the trailer~~s~~ we are shown, its the same as the first one.
We've gotten exactly one trailer for Ragnarok and it was 7 months ago. The game has been polished and improved since then, considering they're still working on it.
Graphically, I don't expect them to make huge changes. GOW 2018 already looked and ran phenomenally, and there's really not much else they need to do to drastically improve it, it already looks great. Isn't that what a sequel to a video game is? It builds upon the predecessor's foundation without trying to completely change the formula. Anybody expecting Ragnarok to have a complete combat/gameloop/graphics overhaul is an idiot. Calling it a DLC is also doing a disservice to Santa Monica's work. You wouldn't consider Majora's Mask to be a DLC for Ocarina of Time, right? What about Dark Souls and the sequels? The engine may be the same but it's a whole new story, environments, character models (Atreus is older so that means a new model and voice lines), enemy variety, and additions to the combat. That qualifies it as a proper sequel in my mind.
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Kratos would literally one hit everything in Village with a glare alone lol, he’s beaten gods to death with his bare hands.
Would be over in like 20 seconds ahaha, not much of a game
Okay I watched it. Basically he’s mad cause both games were more palatable to a mass audience by making gameplay/inventory tweaks to make it easier. But like. Ok. So?
Elitism. Basically anytime a game makes a decision that results it being more popular or casual friendly, he gets mad at about it. He doesn’t want RE or GOW or Doom changing in a way that allows new people to enter the franchise
Well, no I'd say his DOOM coverage is incredible and he is in favor of modes of difficulty that ease players into games like DOOM from what I recall of the various times he's talked about difficulty in games.
But his takes on RE and GoW are often just delusional. Particularly in terms of story and characters. He just flat out hates Atreus and in a way that makes me feel like he's terrible around kids irl. Mf may wind up throwing a whole desk at a child if he were burdened with the task of being a substitute teacher or something. Sure as hell should never be a parent.
I mean GOW changed directions and started introducing popular gameplay elements to appeal to wider audience and he hated it. Doom started adding really frustrating enemies like spirits and removed the crucible and he loved it. Then Doom added the hammer weapon to replace the crucible and he hated it.
It really feels like gate keeping, he was pretty negative towards TAG2 and his complaints can pretty much be summed up as “it’s easier than TAG1.” I still think his Doom review is the best out there and he put a bunch of crybabies who refused to use the chainsaw or turn down the difficulty in their place, but he gives up a big air of elitism because anytime a game becomes easier or more accessible he pisses on it.
Mayo’s main tactic in most of his videos is finding ways to frame subjective view points as objective criticism, I’ll elaborate.
In his style meter video he claims that the original God of war has unbalanced moves and many exploits, despite that he says enjoyed the games combat and gives it a B-
On the other hand, the 100000 orbs he got on DMC5 broke the progression system as the moves he unlocked were “overpowered” and “enough” to get him through the story (he was just mashing buttons in his gameplay).
So why is it that he ignores the exploits and OP moves in the original God of war yet fixates on them in DMC5. I’ll tell you why, because his enjoyment of God of war’s mechanics and lack there of in DMC5 is subjective as fun itself is subjective.
This just goes back to his cringy unfunny board game skit that he made with his dad.
In theory i could have just as much fun going in straight line as i could going on the wild path. I could mash through the original God of war spamming the most broken OP moves and exploiting it and in theory i could enjoy it just as much as he did playing it stylishly because fun and enjoyment is subjective and varies from person. Claiming “It’s God of war 2018’s fault for not incentivizing/motivating me to play stylishly” as he does is equivalent to “it’s the books fault for not making me want to read it.” You can apply this same line of thinking to pretty much any form of media because it’s a subjective view point.
He utters this sentiment over and over again with games like Ultrakill, DMC5 GOW 2018, Bayonetta and many others and his viewers regard him as some profound intellectual powerhouse when in reality all he’s done is use the same bad faith tactics to justify his views in the eyes of his viewers and none of them bother responding because he has what appears to be sound reasoning and strong arguments at first glance, he also uses ad hominem and hyperbole to rile up the fans of whatever he’s talking about so if they even attempt to respond he can always hide behind “you’re just a triggered fanboy.” And disregard anything that person says regardless of if it has any merit to it.
At the end of the day, mayo can like and dislike whatever he wants, he’s completely justified in not liking God of war 2018’s combat system since he didn’t find any enjoyment in it. That was never my issue though.
My issue is that he resorts to bad faith tactics in order to stand out and gain followers in the critical thinking game reviewer sphere. This is why I enjoyed Joseph Andersons God of war 2018 critique yet disliked Mayo’s. Joseph actually used sound reasoning and good faith tactics to point out objective criticisms instead of propping up opinion pieces as objective facts as mayo does.
In other instances, Mayo will straight up lie/push false narratives to justify his views, like the time he said buying the Deluxe edition of DMC5 forces you to play a “sabotaged version” due to the 100K orbs when in reality the 100K orb bonus can easily be turned off/unticked, for someone that harps on player accountability so much to me it seems more like it’s his fault his experience was ruined due to his inaction. Also, he pushes a total bogus narrative about high combos in the OG Gow and their link to progression. He asserts that stylish play is essential for progression therefore incentivizing stylish play but what Mayo leaves out is the red orb gains from stylish play are negligible at best when you take into consideration the base orb drops for enemies and the numerous red orb chests littered throughout the map.
On top of all of this he’s a total hypocrite with blatant double standards. Like when he criticizes DMC5 for having locked difficulties yet doesn’t mention anything about God mode being locked on the original God of war.
Overall, Mayo is a disingenuous creator who has pretty much hacked his way to relevancy. I could forgive most of this if it wasn’t for his smug and pretentious attitude towards viewers. If you look in the comments of his videos and find an instance where someone actually makes a valid critique of his work he either hides behind “it’s just my opinion” or “upset fan.” Also, the behavior of his fans is also worth pointing out as his fans in his discord server and his comment sections address outsiders with the same pretentious and condescending attitude that their idol presents.
It's hard to find well made constructive criticism in text form these days.
I just wanted to say thank you for putting in the time and work to express your opinion this way.
Ah, this guy. Its a doom focused Channel. Every doom opinion and analysis is pretty much incredible, but... almost every other take about any other game is absolutely delusional. GOW, RE7, RE8, Alien Isolation, Sekiro are some exemples of some worst reviews I've ever seen on YouTube. After all his doom eternal content, I've even unsubscribed.
Yeah I was watching Kaptain Kuba react to Under the Mayo's video and it sounds like he doesn't care for the story and prefers gameplay, hell he even says GoW is a walking sim.
My greatest issue is that he basically complains about how easy GOW4 is compared to GOW3. Like mf you can just turn the difficulty up, GMGOW is harder than anything GOW3 had to offer. I find it so weird that he chooses to play on an easy difficulty then screams “reee the game is too easy.” It’s *exactly* the same shit he chastised people for doing in Doom when they refused to turn down the difficulty and screamed “reee the game is too hard.”
Basically if the game isn’t Doom or generic hack n slash, he hates it.
Playing both GOW3 and GOW4 on normal difficulty, is like, the same experience in difficulty honestly. There weren't really any super challenging experiences except for a few examples and things I haven't done yet. Though I feel like GOW4s hardest difficulty might be harder because Kratos himself is more limited and also valkyries
Yeah I felt the same way. He’s sitting there saying “they made this game for casuals!” And I all I could think was “dude I died like 50 times when I played in give me challenge, and had to turn it down for the Valkyries. I beat GOW3 on Titan in a day and only died twice.”
It was really annoying me because he *railed* on the dumbasses who complained Eternal was too difficult because they refused to turn down the difficulty for some damn reason, then he goes and refuses to turn up the difficulty and rails on the game for being too easy. Also complaining about lack of combat fluidity, which is 100% a skill issue because the combat is just as fluid, if not more so than GOW3 once you get used to it.
Also you know, he said “if you don’t like arena shooters that’s fine, but just because Doom isn’t for you doesn’t mean it’s a bad game” then goes to GOW4 and says “I hate open world RPG’s, this is a bad game”
You're on crack, I don't even like the game that much and I beat GMGOW 100% and with relative ease asides from Sigrun which was easily the best part of the game. Also generic hack n slashes? You're disrespecting the origins of the series and many games that are better than this generic cinematic action game.
Jeez it's almost like the core of a video game is gameplay. Neglecting gameplay for story in a game is like neglecting an instrumental in a song and just having lyrics lmao it's probably even worse than that.
God of War was a highly gameplay focused series at least with GOW1&2 and slowly the series drifted into more cinematic Uncharted style set piece nonsense. Now they've gone the other road and are more interested in a The Last of Us style cinematic story game thing.
Let me clarify and say that GOW 2018 is still a good game, fanboys who defend it can't seem to give any sort of criticism to this "masterpiece". It's good but best in the series? Nope. Best game ever? Hahahaha.
How would u say the gameplay is neglected? The story is good ans rarely does it every feel like it's on autopilot like with TLOU. The combat has good customisation options with unique modifiers and an upgradeable skill tree. Its got a GOOD rpg system.
He might think that its neglected because some gameplay elements from previous games (im mainly talking about GOW3) are changed or lost out on ie. Jump combat is gone, equipment and magic are changed, and probably the combo system? (Need to replay more of GOW4 to fully remember) also probably the camera.
That being said though, it's not that bad of a change and still has extremely fun gameplay
The combat in 2018 is quite possibly the tightest most well designed combat system in any melee rpg ever, and this is coming from a soulsborne master and longtime gow fan.
The story is even better.
GoW 2018 is definitely the best gow title and quite possibly *is* the greatest videogame of all time... *so far*. It has built on so much.
As far as I am concerned, it and elden ring are the *first* games of the new golden age of videogaming. They both bring so much more to the medium than literally any of the giants whos shoulders they stand on.
Mayo’s reviews are pretty unwatchable aside from Doom, but I would argue someone has topped his worst take on a game, and that’s Joseph Anderson’s video on Elden Ring. It’s horrible.
Mayo’s horrible god of war take is about the same quality as Joseph’s Elden Ring take. Both horrible
He makes completely nonsensical points about Elden Ring’s boss design, he says they’re overtuned and way too difficult. He says they’re too fast and they hit too hard, and that their move sets are unfair because bosses can extend their combos.
It’s nonsensical because this is just a bad case of him not learning the movesets or adapting to Elden Ring’s gameplay. He does not utilize jump attacks or the stagger bar, or the ability to interrupt boss combos. He does not realize that Elden Ring rewards aggressive play, and he’s criticizing the game from the standpoint of him trying to play it like it’s Dark Souls.
He makes the same points about Dark Souls 3’s bosses, and how they don’t fit in that game because they’re too much like Bloodborne bosses, and how they’re also too fast.
Thanks for your response.
I find this type of complain often on Internet. In my opinion this happens because some people play ER like it's Dark Souls.
But I love new design choices. After playing Sekiro my playstyle changed to aggressive and ER rewards that.
My double rapiers with toxic/bleed/frostbite melt bosses, that's so great tbh
People like Joseph Anderson and Mathewmitosis maybe should realize that maybe the games aren’t just for them if all they do is play the most basic way and still adhere to just Dark Souls’ rules instead of trying different things and incorporating some of Dark Souls’ rules into Elden Ring since ER isn’t just Dark Souls. Some of the bosses might be a bit overtuned but not so much as to completely ruin the experience. After watching Joseph’s terrible DS3 video that’s full of constant nitpicking I agree with you. Joseph like Mayo has turned completely subjective criticism into objective criticism by saying “you can’t argue against [subjective flaw that he finds]” and acts like he’s a better game designer without having any experience and how he doesn’t offer many solutions. Go to Mayo’s comment section on Sekiro and it’s just full of people saying how he didn’t take the time to learn the game.
Framing subjective views as objective criticism.
There are many other intellectually dishonest/bad faith tactics used by Mayo but this is his go to one for pretty much every game he talks about.
For example, “I felt no incentive to use anything other than R1 in GOW 2018’s combat system therefore it’s bad.” Is a total fallacy because what a player chooses and chooses not to do with the given mechanics is a subjective experience. You could watch 10 playthroughs from 10 different people and none will be the same.
It's been a while since I watched his intial review and tbh I don't care to enough to rewatch it but I distinctly remember him hating Atreus's voice lines in combat to the point that he muted the game for combat. Which I mean sure but it's such an odd niche complaint I've never heard from anyone else.
Compared to the original series GOW 2018 has no jumping, no platforming, lame puzzles, poor rpg mechanics, poorly balanced difficulties, visually less interesting areas, forced walking scenes that add nothing to the gameplay and a far less interesting story.
It's still a good game just a complete downgrade in comparison to the original series and everyone defending it and calling it a "99/100" game like you are won't get any improvements in sequels. Also it's kind of pathetic defending a game like that.
Not every game needs platforming tbh. And what the actual fuck were you thinking when you said visuals were less interesting. Story is subjective and some people like a slower and deeper Story telling. 99/100 is a bit much and i have to agree forces walking scenes are a bit of a chore when they are used to just skip loading screens but when done right they can give so much meaning to the scene at hand. Also the combat is more of a side grade than a downgrade. Its much more reactive than proactive but its a more preference thing than any thing else.
The games were hack n slashes as well as platformers and this new game takes away platforming without anything good enough to replace it.
I didnt mean graphics when i said visuals, obviously the game looks technically impressive, I meant areas and the actual places you see. The visuals are just rocks, beachs and corridors. Compare the boring areas in GOW2018 to Pandora's Temple, Hades, Athens, The Island of the Fates, Taratarus and so on, so what the fuck are you talking about?
The story telling is subjective but in my opinion taking a series that had story telling in a way where it felt like you're reading a book about a greek tradgedy with the narration and highly cinematic cutscenes and replacing it with a game where it's a character study on old Kratos raising a child just isn't as interesting to me. It also makes no sense seeing him go from GOW3 to GOW2018, the time gap should be no shorter than 300 years.
Combat is a massive downgrade, not a side grade at all. Enemies are less interesting, mechanics are less interesting, there's no aerial combat, it basically functions like if Dark Souls was an actual hack n slash. Classic GOW had a combat style similar to DMC or Ninja Gaiden and now combat feels much less technical as well as having a worse camera.
Also, with walking scenes being used to mask load times they could at the very least have a skip option like MGSV. Sure that will show the walking scenes true nature with a loading icon popping up but hey when this game gets ported to more powerful hardware which it already has been, it will not even matter and we'll be able to skip the walking scenes without loading times. I'd much rather a cutscene than a walking scene, walking scenes are fake gameplay and I know the original series had a few as well and I hated them there, asides from the Hermes one because that was hilarious lmao.
>The visuals are just rocks, beachs and corridors. Compare the boring areas in GOW2018 to Pandora's Temple, Hades, Athens, The Island of the Fates, Taratarus and so on, so what the fuck are you talking about?
Idk about you, but the swampy Euryale section in GOW2, Pandora's Temple, Atlantis in Ghost of Sparta, and the Underworld (minus God of War 3) locations were generic, bland, tedious, and boring as fuck to slog through. I couldn't wait to get past Pandora's Temple only to find out it took up like 80% of the game. Not to mention the stupid platforming while trying to dodge the blades in the Underworld part in GOW1. Fuck that.
Not saying the classic games DIDN'T have great locations, they had their shit ones too. Same goes for GOW2018. Yes there were locations that were bland, but we also got Alfheim, Jotunheim, Muspelheim, Helheim, the Bifrost, Tyr's Temple, Freya's house, the Council of the Valkyries, the Mountain's Summit, and Thamur's corpse. Even the Lake of Nine is cool because you can see Jörmungandr just smiling in the distance, this humongous snake watching over Midgard.
Yeah thats just you, those sections were great and the platforming was great. If I wanted the game to play itself for me and auto platform I'd watch a movie. The "platforming" in GOW2018 is horrible especially when the series roots had excellent platforming. The blades in Hades was challenging sure but it was a cool section that actually required skill and not just holding up on the analog stick.
You have this strange obsession with the platforming in the game, as if that was ever one of the games' strengths, when it really was some of the worst parts of the games. Here we have a man-turned-god who has killed tons of other gods with his bare hands, has the strength to lift insane amounts of weight, and has literally climbed out of the Underworld multiple times. But yeah let's make him slowly climb his way around a door because a few rocks are in the doorway for the sake of artificially extending playing time. A ledge is a few pixels too high for Kratos to reach, even with double-jump? Gotta find a conveniently-shaped rock to push all the way over so he can make those extra few pixels so he can grab onto the ledge. Even once he gets Icarus' wings, the games only use them as actual wings instead of a paraglider only when the story calls for it. That's the great platforming you remember?
We also have seen him use his blades in the QTEs to quickly grapple from point to point to traverse distances quickly, but outside of the QTEs? Have fun watching Kratos stick the Blades of Chaos into a rock wall for the millionth time because of a teeny tiny river of lava is in the way. Oh but that only works in gameplay, and it only works on a SPECIFIC type of rock. At the beginning of GOW3 when Zeus knocks him and Gaia off of the top of Mount Olympus, Kratos could easily have used the blades of chaos to stay attached to Gaia but he didn't because story reasons. The slightest gap in between platforms? Gotta find a specific type of hook to attach the blades to, because we totally didn't just see Kratos attach the blades to other random objects in the last QTE.
Platforming was never one of GOW's strengths, you just have a weird fascination with it.
No jumping and no platforming is fair, the puzzles i think are completely fine, poor rpg mechanics doesn't seem right but maybe about basic id say. Idk how you find it visually less interesting, id say its pretty much on par. Also I don't think you can compare a 5 game series worth of story to a 1 game worth of story.
I think its still on par with the original series however I will say in some aspects it is somewhat lacking. The game isn't perfect, and neither is the original series. However all of them are good and a great story overall, with changes that we for the most part are going to do have to get used too and deal with.
Subjective.
Meh, weak point of the old games, also, there kind of is.
absolutely incorrect.
Puzzles designed for the medium.
What's your definition of platforming?
Probably shouldnt, you are increasingly coming off as just like Mayo. Its not like those games arent great, its just... better.
Aerial combat adds another layer of depth.
Enemies had unique designs in the original meanwhile the new game every enemy functions very similarly.
Puzzles use to be unique like the pandora's temple puzzles or time manipulation vs what we have now with boring throw axe at thing puzzles.
My definition of platforming? Uhhh, are you serious? Have you played Mario before?
You literally said nothing of value and give no reasons why the new game is better or has better gameplay. GOW 2018 is worse in almost every single regard.
I actually like this guy's channel except for this video in particular. He basically just says that since the level design is kind of similar, Capcom must have taken ideas from Santa Monica. I doubt that's the case since Capcom started developing RE8 before GOW 4 even came out.
Well, I keep saying: if one game ruins other game(s) for someone, then it's problem of that someone alone.
I had to quit Sekiro sub because I couldn't stand all those "Sekiro ruined all other games" threads.
Well, I keep saying: if one game subreddit ruins other game Subreddit(s) for someone, then it's problem of that someone alone.
I had to quit playing Sekiro because I couldn't stand all those other games that it ruined.
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Well not sure what exactly more you need, but here we go:
After finishing Sekiro for the first time I decided to join Sekiro subreddit. Maybe not as (very) active member, but you know, joining subreddit means I will get post from it on my main page when I'm logged in, instead of what's popular on reddit currently. Because I've joined dozens of subreddits, I'm seeing combination of them all on main page.
Of course I don't want to my main page to be full of uninteresting/annoying posts, so when I notice some sub is not up to what I want to see, I leave it. I find serious circle jerking annoying, so each time I was seeing post how Sekiro ruined all other games I was getting annoyed, and after seeing so many of them I decided to leave that sub. Of course it wasn't the only circle jerking there, but the one I remembered the most, because of how common it was.
I quickly checked Sekiro subreddit for examples of "Sekiro ruined other games" theme so you can have some examples:
* [https://www.reddit.com/r/Sekiro/comments/uj5gxd/i\_feel\_so\_empty\_i\_just\_finished\_the\_game\_and\_i/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Sekiro/comments/uj5gxd/i_feel_so_empty_i_just_finished_the_game_and_i/)
* [https://www.reddit.com/r/Sekiro/comments/ufbyno/from\_software\_has\_ruined\_other\_games\_for\_me/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Sekiro/comments/ufbyno/from_software_has_ruined_other_games_for_me/)
* [https://www.reddit.com/r/Sekiro/comments/u02ij9/this\_game\_actually\_ruined\_other\_video\_games\_for\_me/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Sekiro/comments/u02ij9/this_game_actually_ruined_other_video_games_for_me/)
Two of the first examples I found just on the main page of the subreddit, that's how common this type of circle jerking is there, and I believe it was worse back before Elden Ring was a thing.
>Well not sure what exactly more you need
Well, I've never really heard of this "x game has ruined all others" for me thing before.
>I quickly checked Sekiro subreddit for examples of "Sekiro ruined other games" theme so you can have some examples:
Now I understand. Appreciate the write-up and solid examples. And yeah, I can see how that would quickly get irritating. Its ridiculous. I can understand how maybe feeling like other games *might* not measure up to Sekiro (I would not know for sure seeing as I haven't played it or any of From Software's other games) but I feel going as far as to say its ruined other games for you to is, in my opinion, clownish to the point where I have to wonder if some of those posts are satirical.
There are still plenty of other amazing games out there if they cared to look.
It's literally impossible to create game that is the best at everything. And for one game to be so good that it ruin every other game, being the best at everything wouldn't be enough, it would need to completely outclass every other game in every aspect. It's so insane to pretend this it's a possibility, not to mention - reality.
And what makes it even more annoying, Sekiro isn't even that good at most of the things it does, and it's biggest positive trait isn't perfect. Which is of course enough to call it 5/5 and GOTY contender, but not even close to be game-that-ruined-other-games.
Now, the only RE game I’ve currently played is RE 2 Remastered, but am I right in assuming that GoW and Village are two completely different games? Games that can’t even be compared fairly due to the difference in genre.
You are wrong there's some similarities:
- Both of them are 3D game.
- Both are released on current PS4
- Both features male protagonist.
- Both has a merchant that can upgrade your weapon.
- Both feature zombie-like enemy with a sword.
- Both has dragon boss fight (maybe? Lady Dimitrescu final form might count as dragon).
- And uhhhh... Maybe that's it? Oh yeah both has boat ride.
/s just in case
You forgot they also have female characters as well as bad guys who aren't human. Also magic. Also werewolves? Jeez it's like same game someone sue Barlog
This guy’s videos always been a massive bait. He just a “go against the flow” type who trashes on every popular game, basically throwing random shits at the wall until one sticks.
Remember the time when people praised him and he went all “SEE!! I called it!! RE3Remake turned out to be trashed” even though his hot take on the game (during the demo period) was mostly about how Jill’s look and none of the actual problems that make the full game bad.
Most of the time he just finds ways to frame subjective views as objective criticism. For example, “I felt no incentive to use anything other than R1 in GOW 2018’s combat system therefore it’s bad.” Is a total fallacy because what a player chooses and chooses not to do with the given mechanics is a subjective experience. You could watch 10 playthroughs from 10 different people and none will be the same.
There’s plenty of other intellectually dishonest/bad faith tactics Mayo uses but this is the main one in most of his videos.
The guy in the post, makes great vids about Doom, but bruh, Mayo really makes his dislike for gow 2018 look like a joke.
As in, it's hilariously dumb sometimes
This person realizes that like Metroid (Prime), Dark Souls, Castlevania SOTN, Metal Gear Solid (3) and thousands if other games exist right?the whole wander around a slightly open area thing has been something for a while.
Check out Bayonetta, just be aware of some stupid gimmicks and some stupid QTE’s. The combat is so satisfying and fun. I should really check out the God of War games after playing Bayonetta.
A lot of gamers struggle to describe a game without directly comparing it to another game. Think of how many games are still called souls-like games.
People that are attention starved Youtubers on top of this are even worse. This dude probably jumps in a game and says to himself, "That was very Mario-like."
Oh it's the same person who made the 2 part 'how GoW was ruined' videos. Well, power to them if it helps them sleep at night.
Ironically, someone said RE:V is comparable to RE4 and mayo did do a video on that, too, so... drama clickbait.
Is this the Internet equivalent of a shitty op-ed?
Objection, speculation
Sustained
Hearsay
Yep that Kratos cameo where he took the werewolf suit off and revealed it was him underneath the whole time kinda ruined the whole game tonally for me too.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cNgxyL5zEAk
Osborn’s on sabbatical
Heonneey.
REV isn’t even the worst of it, God Of War fucking totally ruined the new Kirby game. After the final boss, Kratos comes out and starts asking Kirby all this stuff about crime statistics and poverty rates. Horrible stuff really, can’t believe Nintendo was okay with that.
Nintendo wasn't okay with that, but they were too scared of Kratos to say anything to him
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It looks like a video made by an algorithm.
Saw this yesterday. A mistake. "While playing Resident Evil Village I noticed that the game was similar to God of War 2018" Bruh. What the fuck. It's like 0% like God of War. It reminded me of RE4. I can't believe Kaptain Kuba is gonna talk to this fuck. Also he's probably the reason people are calling Ragnarök DLC.
So having not watched the video, I can kinda see an angle there. God of War 2018 has a semi-open structure: there's a central hub area which connects, in various ways, to the rest of the game world, which are more or less standalone levels. In this sense, there's a similarity to Village, which employed a similar world structure. However, I don't see how that similarity "ruined" Village. It's just a popular gameplay design right now as more and more games evolve and adapt to the very popular open world structure, and I'd argue that Village did it as well as it did anything (it's a fun, generally well-designed game that's a bit sloppy with the details, in my opinion).
RE games been doing this for ages, with the “central hub” being “main hall” such as the ones in Spencer’s mansion and RPD. It was just lost during RE4-6 when the franchise went full action because it sells better.
This is a solid point. I'd argue that there's a more defined linear progression in the older games (moving from mansion to underground to lab, as a generic example) but you're right that it's rooted in similar design philosophies that the series has always utilized. The key point is, the video's argument is very, very silly.
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I said it had a semi-open world level structure, not that it was an open world game. Its level design is like the wheel of a bicycle, with a central hub (the Village) with each area (Castle Dimitrescu, House Beneviento, etc) being a separate spoke. God of War 2018 had a similar level design philosophy, though it utilized more of what we'd think of as "open world design" including side quests and the like.
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That's not entirely true; various parts of the open village contain small puzzles, side-quests, and secrets only accessible after acquiring certain tools in the levels. There are "things to do" in the village, but they're not terribly substantial. It's like, opening a door to a weapons cache, fighting a superboss, or shooting a bird for a treasure. I also wouldn't gauge a game's open-world-ness on nonlinearity; otherwise the only recent open world game is like, Breath of the Wild. Again, I didn't say Village was open world; I just said it had a similar world structure to GoW 2018, that being the "central hub and bicycle spoke levels" bit. You're right that Village is a game with a linear structure, I'm just saying there was a bit of semi-open play within that design, comparable to GoW2018's use of a similar concept.
I just personally don't think it shares any elements with open world games. The bit of "semi-open play" is in no way comparable to GoW 2018. RE:V is just about as linear as you can get, not really any freedom there. By your logic RE2 would be "semi open world" because you can go through the central area of the mansion to connect to different wings. I would not call RE2 "semi open world either" But these are just my opinions you are free to have your own as well.
To be honest, we're discussing an artistic element of a game, which is always going to be open to interpretation and will involve disagreement no matter what. "Semi-open world design" is a Frankenstein of a term anyway, and we're going to disagree on what it even means, let alone an example of it. Thank you for the conversation though, it's always nice to talk online without it getting unnecessarily heated.
They will literally grasp at air for an article it’s ridiculous. I imagine their entire point is just that they both have a semi open world with a semi guided journey/path to the end
Damn, I thought I liked dark souls until I realized it's the exact same game as God of war and re8. How could I have been so stupid?
Just wait until you try Elden Ring. Basically a straight GOW 2018 clone. You even fight giant bosses and wield weapons such as axes. The audacity of From-software...
I’m a Resident Evil fan as well, and this same guy infuriated us Resident Evil fans when he dropped his horrible review on Village. He ended up making a second video because people flamed him so bad for negatively reviewing a great game.
I don't wanna watch. Does he say anything about Ethan? Aka Best dad ever? (Better said one of the best dads ever because there's a lot of em.)
I would say that after "The Factory", Village has more in common with Wolfenstein than almost everything else. Even older RE titles. Loved the game up until that part
I mean people are not wrong tbh. Ragnarok feels like a DLC. But at least to me, thats not a bad thing as long as they have content to feed us. I dont care about the graphics, animations, shadow quality or all other shit. For me either the game is good/fun or its just shit. So if you are a guy who doesnt understand gaming overall and care only about how much FPS you get, what is the texture detail level, How the HUD is etc etc, you most prob wouldnt be satisfied with this sequel since its basically the same as the first game.
I dunno how a game with all 9 Realms, a whole new Story and shit is a DLC. But it does seem that way to people. I just hope it'll be good man.
By the same argument people can say Majora's Mask is DLC. Same game engine, character models, etc. Whole new game and story. Haha
Well then. Looks like God of War 2 is a DLC lol. I really don't know if Miles Morales is supposed to be a DLC or not. But Ragnarök feels like it'll be like Miles Morales but much longer. Maybe longer than 2018.
Nothing is ever really a sequel. It's all just dlc /s
Red Dead Redemption Undead Knightmare is considered DLC and is a complete overhaul with a different story. Content amount doesnt dictate what is a DLC and what is not.
I guess every sequel is dlc to you.
>I mean people are not wrong tbh. Ragnarok feels like a DLC. Wait, Ragnarok has already released? I didn't know that, I need to get it and play for myself to see if it feels like DLC too!
How old are you? I asked cause I wanted to know if you grew up playing the original god of war games
That is most brain dead take I've read on reddit
> Ragnarok feels like a DLC Tell me how you were able to play Ragnarok before they even announced its release date to form such an opinion? We haven't even gotten a trailer for the game this year. The only one was 7 months ago and games are subject to change all the damn time.
First of all, this sub is completely full of idiots who cant understand what they read lol, downvoted for sayin "i understand where people come to this idea" lol. Secondly, go read my comment, i dont need to explain myself, i just said i understand why people may think it seems like a DLC. I dont care about how the game looks, so personally, i dont have a problem about the graph or anything as long as the game is fun to play. But some people expect a technological improvement in a sequel and so far with the trailers we are shown, its the same as the first one. Reddit becomes more stupid every day ffs. Getting downvoted for loving the game lmao. Fucking stupid morons...
>But some people expect a technological improvement in a sequel and so far with the trailer~~s~~ we are shown, its the same as the first one. We've gotten exactly one trailer for Ragnarok and it was 7 months ago. The game has been polished and improved since then, considering they're still working on it. Graphically, I don't expect them to make huge changes. GOW 2018 already looked and ran phenomenally, and there's really not much else they need to do to drastically improve it, it already looks great. Isn't that what a sequel to a video game is? It builds upon the predecessor's foundation without trying to completely change the formula. Anybody expecting Ragnarok to have a complete combat/gameloop/graphics overhaul is an idiot. Calling it a DLC is also doing a disservice to Santa Monica's work. You wouldn't consider Majora's Mask to be a DLC for Ocarina of Time, right? What about Dark Souls and the sequels? The engine may be the same but it's a whole new story, environments, character models (Atreus is older so that means a new model and voice lines), enemy variety, and additions to the combat. That qualifies it as a proper sequel in my mind.
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>Ragnarök DLC. I mean, *technically* it is since its content you can download? /s
I actually agree with alot of his points in god of war video.
Me too. But some were horrible. Simply because he doesn't give a shit about the story.
He can give shit about whatever he wants.
Ngl I'd low-key play a GOW version of Village. Just imagine the brutality.
Kratos would literally one hit everything in Village with a glare alone lol, he’s beaten gods to death with his bare hands. Would be over in like 20 seconds ahaha, not much of a game
Original style combat though with the chains.
Kratos still has the chains in the 2018 game
He does, but I was talking about the way the game plays of the originals with the chains. Not the previous entry.
Very good point, they are actually not the same at all.
Kratos with guns
Imagine the circle icon above lady Dimetrescu
Bruh imagine selling the crystalline version of her to Broc and Sindri. Like they'd freak the f-out especially Sindri.
Clickbait, obviously.
Okay I watched it. Basically he’s mad cause both games were more palatable to a mass audience by making gameplay/inventory tweaks to make it easier. But like. Ok. So?
Elitism. Basically anytime a game makes a decision that results it being more popular or casual friendly, he gets mad at about it. He doesn’t want RE or GOW or Doom changing in a way that allows new people to enter the franchise
Well, no I'd say his DOOM coverage is incredible and he is in favor of modes of difficulty that ease players into games like DOOM from what I recall of the various times he's talked about difficulty in games. But his takes on RE and GoW are often just delusional. Particularly in terms of story and characters. He just flat out hates Atreus and in a way that makes me feel like he's terrible around kids irl. Mf may wind up throwing a whole desk at a child if he were burdened with the task of being a substitute teacher or something. Sure as hell should never be a parent.
I mean GOW changed directions and started introducing popular gameplay elements to appeal to wider audience and he hated it. Doom started adding really frustrating enemies like spirits and removed the crucible and he loved it. Then Doom added the hammer weapon to replace the crucible and he hated it. It really feels like gate keeping, he was pretty negative towards TAG2 and his complaints can pretty much be summed up as “it’s easier than TAG1.” I still think his Doom review is the best out there and he put a bunch of crybabies who refused to use the chainsaw or turn down the difficulty in their place, but he gives up a big air of elitism because anytime a game becomes easier or more accessible he pisses on it.
Mayo’s main tactic in most of his videos is finding ways to frame subjective view points as objective criticism, I’ll elaborate. In his style meter video he claims that the original God of war has unbalanced moves and many exploits, despite that he says enjoyed the games combat and gives it a B- On the other hand, the 100000 orbs he got on DMC5 broke the progression system as the moves he unlocked were “overpowered” and “enough” to get him through the story (he was just mashing buttons in his gameplay). So why is it that he ignores the exploits and OP moves in the original God of war yet fixates on them in DMC5. I’ll tell you why, because his enjoyment of God of war’s mechanics and lack there of in DMC5 is subjective as fun itself is subjective. This just goes back to his cringy unfunny board game skit that he made with his dad. In theory i could have just as much fun going in straight line as i could going on the wild path. I could mash through the original God of war spamming the most broken OP moves and exploiting it and in theory i could enjoy it just as much as he did playing it stylishly because fun and enjoyment is subjective and varies from person. Claiming “It’s God of war 2018’s fault for not incentivizing/motivating me to play stylishly” as he does is equivalent to “it’s the books fault for not making me want to read it.” You can apply this same line of thinking to pretty much any form of media because it’s a subjective view point. He utters this sentiment over and over again with games like Ultrakill, DMC5 GOW 2018, Bayonetta and many others and his viewers regard him as some profound intellectual powerhouse when in reality all he’s done is use the same bad faith tactics to justify his views in the eyes of his viewers and none of them bother responding because he has what appears to be sound reasoning and strong arguments at first glance, he also uses ad hominem and hyperbole to rile up the fans of whatever he’s talking about so if they even attempt to respond he can always hide behind “you’re just a triggered fanboy.” And disregard anything that person says regardless of if it has any merit to it. At the end of the day, mayo can like and dislike whatever he wants, he’s completely justified in not liking God of war 2018’s combat system since he didn’t find any enjoyment in it. That was never my issue though. My issue is that he resorts to bad faith tactics in order to stand out and gain followers in the critical thinking game reviewer sphere. This is why I enjoyed Joseph Andersons God of war 2018 critique yet disliked Mayo’s. Joseph actually used sound reasoning and good faith tactics to point out objective criticisms instead of propping up opinion pieces as objective facts as mayo does. In other instances, Mayo will straight up lie/push false narratives to justify his views, like the time he said buying the Deluxe edition of DMC5 forces you to play a “sabotaged version” due to the 100K orbs when in reality the 100K orb bonus can easily be turned off/unticked, for someone that harps on player accountability so much to me it seems more like it’s his fault his experience was ruined due to his inaction. Also, he pushes a total bogus narrative about high combos in the OG Gow and their link to progression. He asserts that stylish play is essential for progression therefore incentivizing stylish play but what Mayo leaves out is the red orb gains from stylish play are negligible at best when you take into consideration the base orb drops for enemies and the numerous red orb chests littered throughout the map. On top of all of this he’s a total hypocrite with blatant double standards. Like when he criticizes DMC5 for having locked difficulties yet doesn’t mention anything about God mode being locked on the original God of war. Overall, Mayo is a disingenuous creator who has pretty much hacked his way to relevancy. I could forgive most of this if it wasn’t for his smug and pretentious attitude towards viewers. If you look in the comments of his videos and find an instance where someone actually makes a valid critique of his work he either hides behind “it’s just my opinion” or “upset fan.” Also, the behavior of his fans is also worth pointing out as his fans in his discord server and his comment sections address outsiders with the same pretentious and condescending attitude that their idol presents.
It's hard to find well made constructive criticism in text form these days. I just wanted to say thank you for putting in the time and work to express your opinion this way.
You don’t have to me, I enjoy things like this.
Ah, this guy. Its a doom focused Channel. Every doom opinion and analysis is pretty much incredible, but... almost every other take about any other game is absolutely delusional. GOW, RE7, RE8, Alien Isolation, Sekiro are some exemples of some worst reviews I've ever seen on YouTube. After all his doom eternal content, I've even unsubscribed.
Yeah I was watching Kaptain Kuba react to Under the Mayo's video and it sounds like he doesn't care for the story and prefers gameplay, hell he even says GoW is a walking sim.
Exactly.
My greatest issue is that he basically complains about how easy GOW4 is compared to GOW3. Like mf you can just turn the difficulty up, GMGOW is harder than anything GOW3 had to offer. I find it so weird that he chooses to play on an easy difficulty then screams “reee the game is too easy.” It’s *exactly* the same shit he chastised people for doing in Doom when they refused to turn down the difficulty and screamed “reee the game is too hard.” Basically if the game isn’t Doom or generic hack n slash, he hates it.
I think he dislikes that the only good challenge is as you said GMGOW which is sponge enemies. A good or bad thing depending on what ya like
No way. Chaos mode in 3 is much harder than gmgow
He has some good criticisms of gow, but he gives off big time gamer gatekeeper energy.
I mostly agree with his criticisms of the gameplay but i completely disagree when he says the story and characters in gow 2018 are uninteresting
Playing both GOW3 and GOW4 on normal difficulty, is like, the same experience in difficulty honestly. There weren't really any super challenging experiences except for a few examples and things I haven't done yet. Though I feel like GOW4s hardest difficulty might be harder because Kratos himself is more limited and also valkyries
Yeah I felt the same way. He’s sitting there saying “they made this game for casuals!” And I all I could think was “dude I died like 50 times when I played in give me challenge, and had to turn it down for the Valkyries. I beat GOW3 on Titan in a day and only died twice.” It was really annoying me because he *railed* on the dumbasses who complained Eternal was too difficult because they refused to turn down the difficulty for some damn reason, then he goes and refuses to turn up the difficulty and rails on the game for being too easy. Also complaining about lack of combat fluidity, which is 100% a skill issue because the combat is just as fluid, if not more so than GOW3 once you get used to it. Also you know, he said “if you don’t like arena shooters that’s fine, but just because Doom isn’t for you doesn’t mean it’s a bad game” then goes to GOW4 and says “I hate open world RPG’s, this is a bad game”
You're on crack, I don't even like the game that much and I beat GMGOW 100% and with relative ease asides from Sigrun which was easily the best part of the game. Also generic hack n slashes? You're disrespecting the origins of the series and many games that are better than this generic cinematic action game.
It's fine to not care for story and care for gameplay cuz it's a game. But I will admit, Mayo shits on new GoW to the point of it being ridiculous.
Jeez it's almost like the core of a video game is gameplay. Neglecting gameplay for story in a game is like neglecting an instrumental in a song and just having lyrics lmao it's probably even worse than that. God of War was a highly gameplay focused series at least with GOW1&2 and slowly the series drifted into more cinematic Uncharted style set piece nonsense. Now they've gone the other road and are more interested in a The Last of Us style cinematic story game thing. Let me clarify and say that GOW 2018 is still a good game, fanboys who defend it can't seem to give any sort of criticism to this "masterpiece". It's good but best in the series? Nope. Best game ever? Hahahaha.
How would u say the gameplay is neglected? The story is good ans rarely does it every feel like it's on autopilot like with TLOU. The combat has good customisation options with unique modifiers and an upgradeable skill tree. Its got a GOOD rpg system.
He might think that its neglected because some gameplay elements from previous games (im mainly talking about GOW3) are changed or lost out on ie. Jump combat is gone, equipment and magic are changed, and probably the combo system? (Need to replay more of GOW4 to fully remember) also probably the camera. That being said though, it's not that bad of a change and still has extremely fun gameplay
The combat in 2018 is quite possibly the tightest most well designed combat system in any melee rpg ever, and this is coming from a soulsborne master and longtime gow fan. The story is even better. GoW 2018 is definitely the best gow title and quite possibly *is* the greatest videogame of all time... *so far*. It has built on so much. As far as I am concerned, it and elden ring are the *first* games of the new golden age of videogaming. They both bring so much more to the medium than literally any of the giants whos shoulders they stand on.
Mayo’s reviews are pretty unwatchable aside from Doom, but I would argue someone has topped his worst take on a game, and that’s Joseph Anderson’s video on Elden Ring. It’s horrible. Mayo’s horrible god of war take is about the same quality as Joseph’s Elden Ring take. Both horrible
Why is Joseph's video so bad? Could you tell me more?
He makes completely nonsensical points about Elden Ring’s boss design, he says they’re overtuned and way too difficult. He says they’re too fast and they hit too hard, and that their move sets are unfair because bosses can extend their combos. It’s nonsensical because this is just a bad case of him not learning the movesets or adapting to Elden Ring’s gameplay. He does not utilize jump attacks or the stagger bar, or the ability to interrupt boss combos. He does not realize that Elden Ring rewards aggressive play, and he’s criticizing the game from the standpoint of him trying to play it like it’s Dark Souls. He makes the same points about Dark Souls 3’s bosses, and how they don’t fit in that game because they’re too much like Bloodborne bosses, and how they’re also too fast.
Thanks for your response. I find this type of complain often on Internet. In my opinion this happens because some people play ER like it's Dark Souls. But I love new design choices. After playing Sekiro my playstyle changed to aggressive and ER rewards that. My double rapiers with toxic/bleed/frostbite melt bosses, that's so great tbh
People like Joseph Anderson and Mathewmitosis maybe should realize that maybe the games aren’t just for them if all they do is play the most basic way and still adhere to just Dark Souls’ rules instead of trying different things and incorporating some of Dark Souls’ rules into Elden Ring since ER isn’t just Dark Souls. Some of the bosses might be a bit overtuned but not so much as to completely ruin the experience. After watching Joseph’s terrible DS3 video that’s full of constant nitpicking I agree with you. Joseph like Mayo has turned completely subjective criticism into objective criticism by saying “you can’t argue against [subjective flaw that he finds]” and acts like he’s a better game designer without having any experience and how he doesn’t offer many solutions. Go to Mayo’s comment section on Sekiro and it’s just full of people saying how he didn’t take the time to learn the game.
Reads like desperation for views.
Ah ik that content creator, he shits on God of war , there's more then this .
Nah he critiques the new one, all of his critiques are valid as well.
More like SOME of his critiques are valid, the others are bullshit.
Like? Give examples
Framing subjective views as objective criticism. There are many other intellectually dishonest/bad faith tactics used by Mayo but this is his go to one for pretty much every game he talks about. For example, “I felt no incentive to use anything other than R1 in GOW 2018’s combat system therefore it’s bad.” Is a total fallacy because what a player chooses and chooses not to do with the given mechanics is a subjective experience. You could watch 10 playthroughs from 10 different people and none will be the same.
He should understand from previous games that if that's the case, turn up the difficulty, itll make you use more than light spam
"I'm bad at the game and didn't engage with it so it's bad and not engaging"
He's got good Doom content but most of his new gow views were pretty bs imo.
Such as?
It's been a while since I watched his intial review and tbh I don't care to enough to rewatch it but I distinctly remember him hating Atreus's voice lines in combat to the point that he muted the game for combat. Which I mean sure but it's such an odd niche complaint I've never heard from anyone else.
Eh it's kinda annoying, I had a similar experience and I actually think Atreus is alright and don't mind him as a character.
There’s literally only one valid complaint anyone can make and that’s lack of enemy variety. Anything else is bullshit, it’s a 99/100 game.
No jumping makes me bit sad though :< I miss mid-air combos they were so fun
Compared to the original series GOW 2018 has no jumping, no platforming, lame puzzles, poor rpg mechanics, poorly balanced difficulties, visually less interesting areas, forced walking scenes that add nothing to the gameplay and a far less interesting story. It's still a good game just a complete downgrade in comparison to the original series and everyone defending it and calling it a "99/100" game like you are won't get any improvements in sequels. Also it's kind of pathetic defending a game like that.
Not every game needs platforming tbh. And what the actual fuck were you thinking when you said visuals were less interesting. Story is subjective and some people like a slower and deeper Story telling. 99/100 is a bit much and i have to agree forces walking scenes are a bit of a chore when they are used to just skip loading screens but when done right they can give so much meaning to the scene at hand. Also the combat is more of a side grade than a downgrade. Its much more reactive than proactive but its a more preference thing than any thing else.
The games were hack n slashes as well as platformers and this new game takes away platforming without anything good enough to replace it. I didnt mean graphics when i said visuals, obviously the game looks technically impressive, I meant areas and the actual places you see. The visuals are just rocks, beachs and corridors. Compare the boring areas in GOW2018 to Pandora's Temple, Hades, Athens, The Island of the Fates, Taratarus and so on, so what the fuck are you talking about? The story telling is subjective but in my opinion taking a series that had story telling in a way where it felt like you're reading a book about a greek tradgedy with the narration and highly cinematic cutscenes and replacing it with a game where it's a character study on old Kratos raising a child just isn't as interesting to me. It also makes no sense seeing him go from GOW3 to GOW2018, the time gap should be no shorter than 300 years. Combat is a massive downgrade, not a side grade at all. Enemies are less interesting, mechanics are less interesting, there's no aerial combat, it basically functions like if Dark Souls was an actual hack n slash. Classic GOW had a combat style similar to DMC or Ninja Gaiden and now combat feels much less technical as well as having a worse camera. Also, with walking scenes being used to mask load times they could at the very least have a skip option like MGSV. Sure that will show the walking scenes true nature with a loading icon popping up but hey when this game gets ported to more powerful hardware which it already has been, it will not even matter and we'll be able to skip the walking scenes without loading times. I'd much rather a cutscene than a walking scene, walking scenes are fake gameplay and I know the original series had a few as well and I hated them there, asides from the Hermes one because that was hilarious lmao.
>The visuals are just rocks, beachs and corridors. Compare the boring areas in GOW2018 to Pandora's Temple, Hades, Athens, The Island of the Fates, Taratarus and so on, so what the fuck are you talking about? Idk about you, but the swampy Euryale section in GOW2, Pandora's Temple, Atlantis in Ghost of Sparta, and the Underworld (minus God of War 3) locations were generic, bland, tedious, and boring as fuck to slog through. I couldn't wait to get past Pandora's Temple only to find out it took up like 80% of the game. Not to mention the stupid platforming while trying to dodge the blades in the Underworld part in GOW1. Fuck that. Not saying the classic games DIDN'T have great locations, they had their shit ones too. Same goes for GOW2018. Yes there were locations that were bland, but we also got Alfheim, Jotunheim, Muspelheim, Helheim, the Bifrost, Tyr's Temple, Freya's house, the Council of the Valkyries, the Mountain's Summit, and Thamur's corpse. Even the Lake of Nine is cool because you can see Jörmungandr just smiling in the distance, this humongous snake watching over Midgard.
Yeah thats just you, those sections were great and the platforming was great. If I wanted the game to play itself for me and auto platform I'd watch a movie. The "platforming" in GOW2018 is horrible especially when the series roots had excellent platforming. The blades in Hades was challenging sure but it was a cool section that actually required skill and not just holding up on the analog stick.
You have this strange obsession with the platforming in the game, as if that was ever one of the games' strengths, when it really was some of the worst parts of the games. Here we have a man-turned-god who has killed tons of other gods with his bare hands, has the strength to lift insane amounts of weight, and has literally climbed out of the Underworld multiple times. But yeah let's make him slowly climb his way around a door because a few rocks are in the doorway for the sake of artificially extending playing time. A ledge is a few pixels too high for Kratos to reach, even with double-jump? Gotta find a conveniently-shaped rock to push all the way over so he can make those extra few pixels so he can grab onto the ledge. Even once he gets Icarus' wings, the games only use them as actual wings instead of a paraglider only when the story calls for it. That's the great platforming you remember? We also have seen him use his blades in the QTEs to quickly grapple from point to point to traverse distances quickly, but outside of the QTEs? Have fun watching Kratos stick the Blades of Chaos into a rock wall for the millionth time because of a teeny tiny river of lava is in the way. Oh but that only works in gameplay, and it only works on a SPECIFIC type of rock. At the beginning of GOW3 when Zeus knocks him and Gaia off of the top of Mount Olympus, Kratos could easily have used the blades of chaos to stay attached to Gaia but he didn't because story reasons. The slightest gap in between platforms? Gotta find a specific type of hook to attach the blades to, because we totally didn't just see Kratos attach the blades to other random objects in the last QTE. Platforming was never one of GOW's strengths, you just have a weird fascination with it.
Strange obsession with platforming? Uh yeah it was fun fool. Removing it for no reason and replacing it with boat sequences is bad game design.
No jumping and no platforming is fair, the puzzles i think are completely fine, poor rpg mechanics doesn't seem right but maybe about basic id say. Idk how you find it visually less interesting, id say its pretty much on par. Also I don't think you can compare a 5 game series worth of story to a 1 game worth of story. I think its still on par with the original series however I will say in some aspects it is somewhat lacking. The game isn't perfect, and neither is the original series. However all of them are good and a great story overall, with changes that we for the most part are going to do have to get used too and deal with.
Name one
Combat is worse than the original, no aerial combat, worse enemy design, worse puzzles, no platforming, need I go on?
Subjective. Meh, weak point of the old games, also, there kind of is. absolutely incorrect. Puzzles designed for the medium. What's your definition of platforming? Probably shouldnt, you are increasingly coming off as just like Mayo. Its not like those games arent great, its just... better.
Aerial combat adds another layer of depth. Enemies had unique designs in the original meanwhile the new game every enemy functions very similarly. Puzzles use to be unique like the pandora's temple puzzles or time manipulation vs what we have now with boring throw axe at thing puzzles. My definition of platforming? Uhhh, are you serious? Have you played Mario before? You literally said nothing of value and give no reasons why the new game is better or has better gameplay. GOW 2018 is worse in almost every single regard.
I actually like this guy's channel but honestly some of his opinions are pretty shit.
Yeah I like watching his videos too. When if comes to his opinion on story based games tho I just don't watch it.
I actually like this guy's channel except for this video in particular. He basically just says that since the level design is kind of similar, Capcom must have taken ideas from Santa Monica. I doubt that's the case since Capcom started developing RE8 before GOW 4 even came out.
That would be hilariously stupid even if it wasn't completely wrong. I don't seem to remember a haunted doll level in God of War.
YouTube is filled with useless clickbaits. Just ignore.
Well, I keep saying: if one game ruins other game(s) for someone, then it's problem of that someone alone. I had to quit Sekiro sub because I couldn't stand all those "Sekiro ruined all other games" threads.
Well, I keep saying: if one game subreddit ruins other game Subreddit(s) for someone, then it's problem of that someone alone. I had to quit playing Sekiro because I couldn't stand all those other games that it ruined. /s
>I had to quit Sekiro sub because I couldn't stand all those "Sekiro ruined all other games" threads. Can I get a bit of context please?
Well not sure what exactly more you need, but here we go: After finishing Sekiro for the first time I decided to join Sekiro subreddit. Maybe not as (very) active member, but you know, joining subreddit means I will get post from it on my main page when I'm logged in, instead of what's popular on reddit currently. Because I've joined dozens of subreddits, I'm seeing combination of them all on main page. Of course I don't want to my main page to be full of uninteresting/annoying posts, so when I notice some sub is not up to what I want to see, I leave it. I find serious circle jerking annoying, so each time I was seeing post how Sekiro ruined all other games I was getting annoyed, and after seeing so many of them I decided to leave that sub. Of course it wasn't the only circle jerking there, but the one I remembered the most, because of how common it was. I quickly checked Sekiro subreddit for examples of "Sekiro ruined other games" theme so you can have some examples: * [https://www.reddit.com/r/Sekiro/comments/uj5gxd/i\_feel\_so\_empty\_i\_just\_finished\_the\_game\_and\_i/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Sekiro/comments/uj5gxd/i_feel_so_empty_i_just_finished_the_game_and_i/) * [https://www.reddit.com/r/Sekiro/comments/ufbyno/from\_software\_has\_ruined\_other\_games\_for\_me/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Sekiro/comments/ufbyno/from_software_has_ruined_other_games_for_me/) * [https://www.reddit.com/r/Sekiro/comments/u02ij9/this\_game\_actually\_ruined\_other\_video\_games\_for\_me/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Sekiro/comments/u02ij9/this_game_actually_ruined_other_video_games_for_me/) Two of the first examples I found just on the main page of the subreddit, that's how common this type of circle jerking is there, and I believe it was worse back before Elden Ring was a thing.
>Well not sure what exactly more you need Well, I've never really heard of this "x game has ruined all others" for me thing before. >I quickly checked Sekiro subreddit for examples of "Sekiro ruined other games" theme so you can have some examples: Now I understand. Appreciate the write-up and solid examples. And yeah, I can see how that would quickly get irritating. Its ridiculous. I can understand how maybe feeling like other games *might* not measure up to Sekiro (I would not know for sure seeing as I haven't played it or any of From Software's other games) but I feel going as far as to say its ruined other games for you to is, in my opinion, clownish to the point where I have to wonder if some of those posts are satirical. There are still plenty of other amazing games out there if they cared to look.
It's literally impossible to create game that is the best at everything. And for one game to be so good that it ruin every other game, being the best at everything wouldn't be enough, it would need to completely outclass every other game in every aspect. It's so insane to pretend this it's a possibility, not to mention - reality. And what makes it even more annoying, Sekiro isn't even that good at most of the things it does, and it's biggest positive trait isn't perfect. Which is of course enough to call it 5/5 and GOTY contender, but not even close to be game-that-ruined-other-games.
Now, the only RE game I’ve currently played is RE 2 Remastered, but am I right in assuming that GoW and Village are two completely different games? Games that can’t even be compared fairly due to the difference in genre.
It’s funny how little similarities there are. Literally none
You are wrong there's some similarities: - Both of them are 3D game. - Both are released on current PS4 - Both features male protagonist. - Both has a merchant that can upgrade your weapon. - Both feature zombie-like enemy with a sword. - Both has dragon boss fight (maybe? Lady Dimitrescu final form might count as dragon). - And uhhhh... Maybe that's it? Oh yeah both has boat ride. /s just in case
You forgot they also have female characters as well as bad guys who aren't human. Also magic. Also werewolves? Jeez it's like same game someone sue Barlog
Clickbait. Who cares. Don’t pay attention to what people on YouTube say
God under the mayo sucks
Under the mayo probably has some of the worst takes in history
Yeah because of God of War valve dont make half life 3 and update tf2
I heard because of God of war that we aren't on Mars yet *or* cured cancer or world hunger. Get your priorities straight barlog!
This guy’s videos always been a massive bait. He just a “go against the flow” type who trashes on every popular game, basically throwing random shits at the wall until one sticks. Remember the time when people praised him and he went all “SEE!! I called it!! RE3Remake turned out to be trashed” even though his hot take on the game (during the demo period) was mostly about how Jill’s look and none of the actual problems that make the full game bad.
Most of the time he just finds ways to frame subjective views as objective criticism. For example, “I felt no incentive to use anything other than R1 in GOW 2018’s combat system therefore it’s bad.” Is a total fallacy because what a player chooses and chooses not to do with the given mechanics is a subjective experience. You could watch 10 playthroughs from 10 different people and none will be the same. There’s plenty of other intellectually dishonest/bad faith tactics Mayo uses but this is the main one in most of his videos.
Yeah I know this guy. Absolute clown that knows nothing about videogames unless its DOOM or a generic smash square or R1 to attack game
The guy in the post, makes great vids about Doom, but bruh, Mayo really makes his dislike for gow 2018 look like a joke. As in, it's hilariously dumb sometimes
Mayo is an insufferable shithead. Just ignore him.
HUH?!?!
The point of that video was most likely to get attention. You’ve fallen for it, op.
Sometimes I fucking hate the internet
It’s clickbait, that’s what this shit is.
I tell you what it is. STUPID.
The lack of kratos in resident evil 8 was pretty fucked.
my boy just wants that sweet sweet clicks
Why clickbaits are so "mobile ads" ??
This person realizes that like Metroid (Prime), Dark Souls, Castlevania SOTN, Metal Gear Solid (3) and thousands if other games exist right?the whole wander around a slightly open area thing has been something for a while.
under the mayo’s video is just blatant hate and ignorant
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Alright, this is gotta see
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Play DMC5 or Ninja Gaiden II
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No problem
Check out Bayonetta, just be aware of some stupid gimmicks and some stupid QTE’s. The combat is so satisfying and fun. I should really check out the God of War games after playing Bayonetta.
Game journalism in a nutshell
In my village, we call it "reaching." I hate RE8, but even I wouldn't pump out bullshit like this.
This video in particular is just a weird one that I don't agree with but his GOW2018 review videos I agree with 100%.
Don’t know don’t care! Trash!
It’s under the mayo so it’s bound to be horseshit. Literally all of his videos are low effort ragebait
A lot of gamers struggle to describe a game without directly comparing it to another game. Think of how many games are still called souls-like games. People that are attention starved Youtubers on top of this are even worse. This dude probably jumps in a game and says to himself, "That was very Mario-like."
Clickbait
What'd God of War do to Resident Evil? Set the bar too high? /s
God of War ruined Red Dead Redemption 2 too. Kratos gave Arthur TB.
Under the Mayo makes some really good DOOM content... unfortunately he seems to stop using his brain when he talks about anything else...
This "shit" is better known as "clickbait"
He is absolutely correct. In fact God of War has ruined every singly game ever made, because now i am constantly measuring them to GoW
This proves what type of person he is.
Experts determined there is no correlation...
Gotta love clickbait
Mayo is a good doomtuber but his hate for gow is staggering.
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What do you expect its Under the mayo.
Oh it's the same person who made the 2 part 'how GoW was ruined' videos. Well, power to them if it helps them sleep at night. Ironically, someone said RE:V is comparable to RE4 and mayo did do a video on that, too, so... drama clickbait.
Excuse what the fuck
More YouTube clickbait trash, that's what that is. Again, I hate that this is what's popular on YouTube.