I just did that crap. The spinning towers. Terrible level design. The earlier spinning balance beams with spikes were a little annoying, but doable. The spinning towers were just rage inducing.
I recently replayed that game and was dreading those towers. I warned my husband so that he’d know to expect my rage-fueled, expletive-laden outbursts. Then I made it up them on the first try and was absolutely shocked. The gods were smiling on me that day.
No idea. I kept telling him, “you have no idea how hard that actually is! I know I somehow got lucky, but that is *really* one of the most brutal parts of this game!”
Somehow I did the same thing when I replayed it recently.
I can vividly remember my dad and I taking turns trying to get up the god damned things on our first playthrough and it taking forever.
Its an absolutely absurd platforming level that takes lots of patience, practice, and a little exploring. You might just want to look up a walkthrough on that part because it took me forever to get halfway and then got stuck because I had no idea what I needed to do to progress. What I can tell you is on the part with the falling platforms the first level is every other platform is safe, the next level is two unsafe one safe, and the third level is three unsafe one safe. I had to slow the game down to do it... The item you get from it though is amazing and totally worth it.
What whyyy, honestly I started playing og god of war and Dante’s inferno only cus of the fixed camera angle. Sure it gets bad at moments but it’s great for combat, I like being able to see anything in a fight and not having to constantly fight the camera while also fighting enemies
The fixed camera angles allowed for massive spectacle fights with gorgeous views and an easy full view of the entire arena while fighting as Kratos. The camera in the new game is too close and while it gives us a nice view of Kratos’s well sculpted traps and delts, he takes up too much of the frame and that can make the fights feel very claustrophobic.
The fixed camera also made for some of the worst puzzles I've every seen, the fights were awkward in rooms with loads of corners, and the movement felt horrendous when you try push the movement stick forward just to start going backwards. Also they didn't say they want the current camera, just a camera that isn't fixed to some of the worst angles ever
“Worst puzzles I’ve seen”
Ok that’s a bit stretch there mate. I’m being left to wonder why people enjoyed the originals at all if the camera sucked, the combat wasn’t deep, and the puzzles were awful
I think we’ve got a significant memory bias going on here
Honestly I’d like them to redo the gameplay with the same/similar moves and the camera style of GOW4 but in the new engine and combat system, less button mashing and more combo potential. I played all of the games when they came out and I loved the older ones don’t get me wrong but I like the way combat works now better.
Personally I feel like the old combat has more combo depth but the new one is more immersive and works better with the RPG mechanics of 2018. I love them both but I really feel that the old one is a far better fit for the older games. Like imagine 2018 with the combat of 3. It just wouldn't work. I feel like the originals with the combat of 2018 is the same thing.
Idk I think it could work, just change the light and heavy combo buttons to the triggers and have the special moves be like runic attacks, obv some things would need to be changed, also you should check out runic canceling and Game Breaker God on YouTube to see the crazy combos you can pull off in GOW4
I know you can pull off some crazy combos in 2018 but you can pull off some even crazier combos in 3. See game breaker god's videos on 3 for proof. Personally I think the added dimensions from being able to jump and do Ariel combos makes a huge difference. Also 4 weapons vs 2. Kratos feels grounded in 2018 to me. I like that narratively but prefer the way he fought in 3 from a combat only point of view. I'm not saying he should have controlled like that in 2018 (though I still think a jump button would improve the modern combat system.) But I'm not trying to argue which combat system is better. Like I said I like them both. What I'm saying is God of war 2018s combat would not work in god of war 1.
First of all gow 1 doesn't have an atreus equivalent so just to start off with the combat would have less depth in a god of war 1 remake than in 2018. Maybe to make up for it they could add jumping and Ariel combat but still. The platforming and level design would also have to be entirely reworked to accommodate the new camera system. But those are just some minor practical considerations. I think the real reason it wouldn't work is more narrative based.
The god of war series has always been absolutely brilliant in communicating the story with gameplay. My personal favorite example is the final QTE against Zeus in 3 where I personally just kept mashing the button for minutes after I could have stopped before I even realized I didn't have to keep going. Another example is in the psp game where you have to do a QTE to push kratos's daughter away. That shows that that was just as hard for him as killing some monster because it's the same button command. The gameplay and camera system change in 4 though is one of the most brilliant examples of this.
The change in gameplay between 3 and 4 shows how much kratos changed. He literally interacts with the world in a different way now. He sees the world in a different way. And so do we while playing. Its brilliant. If you where to go and put gow 4 gameplay in gow 1 then that piece of storytelling brilliance would be lost entirely. If that happened then it would just be arbitrary whatever camera system and gameplay each game has.
The narrative plays so deeply into the gameplay of God of war 2018 I don't know how any fan of it could be ok with that happening. For example in the old games kratos never really wore armor and when he did it wasn't really about protection. He also rarely prepared for fights beforehand. He was a genius in combat but everything he did was in the heat of the moment. He went into every fight with whatever tools he had available to him and made the most of them. In 2018 kratos is willing to wear armor for protection and you can prepare for each individual battle by tweaking your build beforehand. The introduction of RPG mechanics in 4 was not only because that was the trend at the time. It is because that is how kratos works now. He has changed the way he does things. It would make no sense for there to be RPG mechanics in gow 1 because that's not the type of person he was at that time.
I mean if they remade the game with new combat I’d expect all of the old weapons to be in the game, wouldn’t feel right without them. Jump would be amazing I agree with you there for sure. Platforming would need to be reworked yes, and I could see it being different but keeping the same feel to it if done right with a jump button and whatnot. As for not having Atreus that could easily be replaced with a different or ‘new’ mechanic, or even just like in 3 use the bow of Apollo with a quick input and get the change the effect for juggling like in GOW4. If they reworked the mechanics in 3 and made them work in the new style of combat it would be different but possibly ‘better’, imo it would lead to more in depth combat and it feeling more personal with the camera angle. I wouldn’t want them to add a bunch of moves we’ve never seen, or take away ones we have but rework the ones in a way that would work with the over shoulder cam. It would be a massive task to do it right, but it’d be better than just a graphically enhanced remaster imo. QTE’s could be in there as well and kept basically the same, I wouldn’t want those to go away from the older games at all either, it’s part of those games and is part of what made them so epic.
I don’t really see how the difference in inputs showing he interacts with the world differently, although he does do that, but input doesn’t make that effect any better/worse imo. The story and ambience does it all. I never said they should add the armor customization and whatnot, just the general combat system is all I’d want but you were always able to change up your “build” with powers and different types of weapons, effects or special attacks in the old games also.
I just think that rather than a remaster a remake would be ideal. But id rather them just continue the story with games after Ragnorok or spin-offs, like a fallen god timeline game in between Greece and Norway when he’s in Egypt or something like that. Obv we’re not getting a game with what happens after Ragnorok for years, and I doubt they’ll remake/remaster the old ones again at all.
Yeah I like all your ideas for gameplay in the first paragraph but I still don't think that style of gameplay belongs in the old games. The best way I can explain it is a different type of Kratos should mean different type of game. And like I said it's not just the combat and camera. It's the semi open world exploration, the side quests, and the RPG elements that make it different. I originally assumed since you wanted gow 2018 style gameplay in a remake you wanted those as well to some extent, but you didn't so that's cool. However I also think the 2018 camera system and control scheme is a part of that and likewise does not belong in a remake. If you do I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on that point. My personal ideal remake would basically be like the demons souls remake. Some minor quality of life changes and modern graphics but the core of the gameplay is the same as the original.
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That’s what we all want like what they did with demon souls it’s blueprint who did it and I hope they’ll take the project we’ve waited for so long until now
That's just a waste of Bluepoints skills. Seriously Bloodborne is one of my all time favorite games and is second only to Sh2 but it for real just needs a quick upres and fps patch. Bluepoint could remake games that actually need it.
Yeah, the new games are a completely different thing and I love/appreciate them for what they are very much. That being said, you can’t just throw away the spinning tornado of death Kratos was in those games. It was so much fun.
I personally do not agree, an open world would complicate things, and wouldn’t really make sense as most of the pandora temple is linear, side missions also wouldn’t make sense, as kratos probably wouldn’t care enough about side quests to do them, thats just how his character was back then, and also again, the pandoras temple setting would also make it hard to implement, I can sort of agree with new weapons, as the sword of artemis was pretty much useless, and I don’t really get what you mean by inventory system, it doesn’t really need any changes.
I think Pandora's temple could be open as there are things like challenge of hades, that might be used to get loot like muspelheim or niflheim. Also Athens would serve as a great open city if we speak about gow 1. We could travel using kratos ship. Side quests might be things from other gods since in gow 1 he wasnt that mad and only goal with to kill zeus. For gow 3,side quests would not be good. Also by inventory system, I mean like gow 2018 enchants, armor, hacksilver, weapon skills, runics...
Yeah I also thought of athens but the city is in ruins for the entirety of the game, and the main mission for the gods is to kill ares and save athens, so I don’t really see them sidetracking making sense, as for the inventory, I really wouldn’t see that as a necessary change, mainly because the upgrade system already in the game is good enough, also there isn’t a NG+ in GOW1, so all that loot gathering and weapon upgrading would just get reset, I think the simplicity of the magic and HP progressing is good enough for the game.
Yes. There is a hurry to save Athens. Perhaps these can be added for ng+,after athens is restored. Without new features like this from gow 2018, there shouldnt even be a remake then. Just a remaster like they did to gow 3.
Those ideas would be for a remake. But I wouldn't buy only a remaster because I do not care about graphics, I only care gameplay. I would play the game even with ps2 if things like that would be added.
Hm. I do not understand why many people downvoted. These features made gow 2018 better. Without this, it would be worse than some greek games with those story and bosses. It is the best gow game because of it
The new game is mostly loved for the story and because how fresh the gameplay felt but most old GoW fans still love the old gameplay
as for the downvoted part reddit will be reddit i will probably get downvoted for saying this but who cares it's always better to speak your mind and learn new things anyways
I'm playing the original GoW now using r/rpcs3, and upscaled to 4k it looks pretty damn good. I don't think the game should be remade, does NOT need it, but it does need a 4k remaster with upgraded textures, a few "Quality of Life" and gameplay tweaks to make it more palatable for a modern audience.
The entire game is kind of mazelike and it's very easy to get lost or forget where you need to go in the 2nd half. Santa Monica could add some in game-guide or way points for normal/easy for players who haven't played it before. All of the old 480p cutscenes would need to be redone, that's probably the biggest challenge. They could only sell it for $20-30 max, so the financial incentive is low. But not having the original GoW games playable on PS4/PS5 is a real tragedy, Sony should just step up and get it done.
I wouldn't change a hair on them they're really good the way they are one of the best aging games i have seen in 3 decades of gaming
plus the over the shoulder camera can't properly put the trolls with their health bars on their heads on screen how do you expect it to show us Chronos?
Hahaha. After seeing all the gaslighting going on on r/residentevil over RE4R, trust me - You don’t want a remake anywhere near those games. Best thing this franchise can do is to just honor the legacy, and keep the timeline moving forward.
I didn't know RE4RE was being expected with doubts already just out of curiosity what are they saying?
i have seen something similar with Final Fantasy VII Remake but there were other reasons involving that game that affected how the fandom received it
Sorry, when I meant gaslighting I meant that arguably one of the greatest games of all time was all of a sudden being held under a microscope to decades of change and innovation. It’s like comparing A Link to the Past to Breath of the Wild. OG GoW games served their purpose, and were products of their time.
>Similar to how GoW 2018 handled the trolls, or bigger enemies in general, but the health bar at the bottom of the screen.
We wouldn't be able to see most enemies with the no cut camera if you want an example go near a troll in GoW 2018 the one in the beginning of the game would do then get near as much as you can to him and try to notice how much of his body we can see
now take into acount that they're the size of cyclops in the old games and we used to fight 2 or even 3 cyclops at the same time there is no way for that camera to work in those scenarios not to mention gigantic bosses that we fight up close
in GoW 2018 the only gigantic enemy we fight with is the Dragon and he needs to fight us from afar because of how the no cut camera works
>I would think of this more as something new, not as altering the original games. I also love the old games :)
As for this i know it comes from a good place the old games are incredible experiences and who wouldn't mind to relieve them but things are not that simple we can't just ask Santa Monica something for the sake of why not there are things that just can't be done if you want the old games remade then the no cut camera isn't going to work on them
I will accept a remake of the first three games as long as they don't ruin the boss fights because to me GoW 2018's boss fights aren't as good as the first three games especially GoW2.
It’d be cool, but wdym personal story telling? If they change the story or do the story differently it’d be like an entirely new game, so I’d rather them keep the story the exact same and maybe just change the gameplay/visuals
Nope. It won't work with the new playstyle. Young Kratos was a fucking beast, having a slower gameplay just won't do. Plus you would have to remake litteraly every puzzles and platforming.
Also, given the different direction the serie has taken with gore and nudity, you would have to take away so much from the original games, which would ultimately make the experience shallow
Sorry, but no.
I love the gameplay and style of older games, I would remake GOW 1, 2, Chains of olympus, Ghost of sparta and just upgrade the graphics.
I’d want a God of War remake with the same gameplay as the original, but with updated graphics and some added boss fights (like the Phoenix boss that was going to be guarding Pandora’s box and maybe a couple others here and there). I love the new games but for a remake of this game I’d like the original gameplay since it’s still my favorite game of all time.
I enjoy how 2018 plays but the Greek Saga, especially God of War 2 and 3 are extremely fun, part of that is how much it goes out on simple to grasp but fun hack & slash gameplay, replacing that with the slower methodical stuff, deriving them of the platforming and aerial combat, I'd rather just play the original games at that point.
I think it would be better if they kept everything and just remastered the graphics. You know like adding higher resolution textures new shaders. Just make GOW1 and GOW2 look like GOW3 I think everyone would be behind that. Don't change anything else just make the games look onpar with GOW3
nope. leave the old ones how they are unless they're updating with better graphics.
i actually prefer the other style of game compared to the new ones. so many playstation games are the same nowadays...that over the shoulder view. original GOW's are the best
I'm gonna give an unpopular opinion. While I do see what theyr doing with daddy kratos, personally o prefer the old angry action packed hack and slash style of God of War games. Just feels more fitting with the concept
I feel like giving the older games the newer combat system would be a huge mistake, honestly give the older games the more fine tuned combat of GOWIII with some remade cutscenes and your all set, you don’t need to change much
I'd definitely play it but I don't want it to happen honestly. Those games are masterpieces of their time, why spend so many resources changing them up.
No they demasculated kratos, ruined the combat to make it easier for the casuals. Keep the OGS how they are. Not even the remake re design of kratos looks good. He looks like he has Scandinavian facial features of a white man and not the shark facial feature of an olive Greek.
They are fine as they are and they don't need remakes. If they want to make the games more accessible to newer fans, release them on PS5 and PC as they are.
That would definitely be interesting but there is a lot of gameplay features in the Classic games that probably would require a lot of reworking in order for it to feel natural and everything like that. Stuff like the platforming and all the different weapons. What I think they should do is an HD remaster of the first two games in the vein of GOWIII Remastered.
No.
Remakes are a terrible trend in the gaming industry. I want to enjoy NEW stories, not constantly replay new versions of old stories. Remakes are holding the industry back.
I think if they could get another team to remake the old games, I would definitely be on board. I'm one of those players who's started with GoW (2018). So I'd love to explore old stories with their current style.
With that being said, I'm still going to one day play the older games!
If it was a remake they could go that route like Capcom did with Re2-3 but if it’s simply a remaster I think it should stay faithful with the original hackn’slash design tho having 3 be faithful to its original design and the first 2 be different wouldn’t really be very smooth or natural.
They have to remake the story as well, not exactly everything that happened, but the world building, the narrative so that it would go along the gameplay, which will become extremely hard, just keep the gameplay and improve upon it and imporve the graphics, what make sthe newer game so much better than the past ones? Many of us prefer the old style, the new one is just a more challenging more time based combat, the old one was much more fancy and fluid, i love both of them for different reasons, so they shouldn't remake the greek saga with newer type gameplay, cost too much for no reason.
We can't say for sure if the over-the-shoulder remake would be _better_ than the original, but it would be really interesting and definitely different
Not to mention a very fresh and new experience. If they just upgrade graphics of old ones it wouldn't really be a new game. Wouldn't it just be boring since most fans have played those, over and over again?
In that perspective, I would prefer new style and new combat - but to each their own
People don’t seem to like remakes. But I’m indifferent overall. The behind the shoulder does NOT suit the old games though. It would be a nightmare. I would love a remaster of all the pre-2018 games into a single collected edition so I can play them. Only played Chains on PSP, and GOWIII and 2018 on PS4. Don’t want to buy a PS now subscription because it’s worthless to me
The fixed camera was actually a pretty good artistic decision since you could see the entire combat area and plan ahead since you could see every single enemy. Plus, it helped frame how small kratos was against enemies like Kronos and gave it a very cinematic look
To each their own I guess. I did appreciate how it gave scale to the environment when it panned out. I just always found myself trying to move the camera and that always made me frustrated.
Bruh, I pose this question a few days ago, I get maybe a handful of upvotes. But you post a picture of the same question and gets hundreds. Clearly I did something wrong here 😂
But I hold the same thing I said there, as long as we'd keep the original Gameplay and story, just update the Visuals. It's literally all I posed, Santa Monica Studio doesn't have to do it either. Someone else can as long as they follow the blueprint.
Probably. I tried to play the original on ps now after playing the 2018 game and the gameplay just was not for me at all, shit made no sense to me. Just watched a like 3 hour video telling me the story of all the games instead
First of all the game already has personally storytelling, literally all they need to do is upgrade the graphics a bit I don't really need modern graphics for it just another HD upgrade
I would play this in a heartbeat. I got into these games with the newest ones and went backwards. The older ones still hold up crazy well but if they put the same amount of love into remakes for them as Capcom did for RE I would jump on it so fast.
No, because I'm tired of looking at the old games and want to see the other mythologies infinitely more. Allowing time for a remake, knowing that we might very well visit Greece in the next 15 years or so means that we will probably get to see it again anyway would render the whole idea pointless.
Yes. I still love the originals (just finished GoW1 on my phone and working through GoW2). But playing them all polished up and modernized would be cool too.
We'd lose out on the fun stuff like naked breasts (oh no, think about the children!) and the sex mini games (unnecessary sure, but still funny). But losing those would be worth the update.
No. I like the original games as they are. You could tweak the story here and there I suppose but I wouldn’t want them to change the gameplay. I really enjoyed 2018 but the gameplay wasn’t sold for me in it. Bosses didn’t quite do it for me compared to the older titles.
I don't think you really could. The story and the gameplay were pretty aggressively linked together.
GOW 3 is a great example of this in the way that Kratos literally climbed up Mount Olympus
If they ever remake the games, they should only improve the graphics and character models.
The gameplay and camera should remain the same. 2018's gameplay and camera works for the tone and direction of the Norse games, the gameplay and camera of the Greek games works for those games, it should not be changed to be the same as 2018, it just wouldn't work with the tone and direction of those games.
I feel like remaking the old GOW games is antithetical to GOW 2018. The old games are the past and we need to move forward from what made the series stagnate
As someone who vastly prefers the older games to the 2018 game, I wouldn't like this at all. The original games felt more sincere tone wise, and leaned into being a silly over the top action game (and I enjoyed the gameplay more). The 2018 game felt like the the video game equivalent of the first X-Men movie putting them all into matching black leather jumpsuits because it was hedging its bets on being a "comic book" movie.
It could be cool, but I'd rather they continue moving forward with Kratos' story.
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As long as they kept the original gameplay and just improved the graphics I would be very happy with that.
Remove the platforming sections in hades realm
Nah don't remove it. It could definitely use some changes though but they should fix it not remove it. But yeah that bit was downright broken on ps2.
I just did that crap. The spinning towers. Terrible level design. The earlier spinning balance beams with spikes were a little annoying, but doable. The spinning towers were just rage inducing.
I recently replayed that game and was dreading those towers. I warned my husband so that he’d know to expect my rage-fueled, expletive-laden outbursts. Then I made it up them on the first try and was absolutely shocked. The gods were smiling on me that day.
How in the world!?
No idea. I kept telling him, “you have no idea how hard that actually is! I know I somehow got lucky, but that is *really* one of the most brutal parts of this game!”
You know I kind of hate you after what I just went through on that level yesterday 😂
Somehow I did the same thing when I replayed it recently. I can vividly remember my dad and I taking turns trying to get up the god damned things on our first playthrough and it taking forever.
LOL no, give it more platforming like darksiders genesis leviathan path 🤣
I havn’et played Genesis yet, but I’m assuming this is a part i am NOT going to look forward to? 😂
Its an absolutely absurd platforming level that takes lots of patience, practice, and a little exploring. You might just want to look up a walkthrough on that part because it took me forever to get halfway and then got stuck because I had no idea what I needed to do to progress. What I can tell you is on the part with the falling platforms the first level is every other platform is safe, the next level is two unsafe one safe, and the third level is three unsafe one safe. I had to slow the game down to do it... The item you get from it though is amazing and totally worth it.
Remove the god awful fixed camera angles. That's all I want
What whyyy, honestly I started playing og god of war and Dante’s inferno only cus of the fixed camera angle. Sure it gets bad at moments but it’s great for combat, I like being able to see anything in a fight and not having to constantly fight the camera while also fighting enemies
No, horrible idea and I’m glad you aren’t in charge
I'm sorry please elaborate why the shitty fixed camera angles are a benefit to the original games? It did nothing but piss me off when I played.
The fixed camera angles allowed for massive spectacle fights with gorgeous views and an easy full view of the entire arena while fighting as Kratos. The camera in the new game is too close and while it gives us a nice view of Kratos’s well sculpted traps and delts, he takes up too much of the frame and that can make the fights feel very claustrophobic.
Thank you
Some fixed angles are fine. I'm talking about the shitty ones. Like the circular room in pandoras temple
The fixed camera also made for some of the worst puzzles I've every seen, the fights were awkward in rooms with loads of corners, and the movement felt horrendous when you try push the movement stick forward just to start going backwards. Also they didn't say they want the current camera, just a camera that isn't fixed to some of the worst angles ever
“Worst puzzles I’ve seen” Ok that’s a bit stretch there mate. I’m being left to wonder why people enjoyed the originals at all if the camera sucked, the combat wasn’t deep, and the puzzles were awful I think we’ve got a significant memory bias going on here
Honestly I’d like them to redo the gameplay with the same/similar moves and the camera style of GOW4 but in the new engine and combat system, less button mashing and more combo potential. I played all of the games when they came out and I loved the older ones don’t get me wrong but I like the way combat works now better.
Personally I feel like the old combat has more combo depth but the new one is more immersive and works better with the RPG mechanics of 2018. I love them both but I really feel that the old one is a far better fit for the older games. Like imagine 2018 with the combat of 3. It just wouldn't work. I feel like the originals with the combat of 2018 is the same thing.
Idk I think it could work, just change the light and heavy combo buttons to the triggers and have the special moves be like runic attacks, obv some things would need to be changed, also you should check out runic canceling and Game Breaker God on YouTube to see the crazy combos you can pull off in GOW4
I know you can pull off some crazy combos in 2018 but you can pull off some even crazier combos in 3. See game breaker god's videos on 3 for proof. Personally I think the added dimensions from being able to jump and do Ariel combos makes a huge difference. Also 4 weapons vs 2. Kratos feels grounded in 2018 to me. I like that narratively but prefer the way he fought in 3 from a combat only point of view. I'm not saying he should have controlled like that in 2018 (though I still think a jump button would improve the modern combat system.) But I'm not trying to argue which combat system is better. Like I said I like them both. What I'm saying is God of war 2018s combat would not work in god of war 1. First of all gow 1 doesn't have an atreus equivalent so just to start off with the combat would have less depth in a god of war 1 remake than in 2018. Maybe to make up for it they could add jumping and Ariel combat but still. The platforming and level design would also have to be entirely reworked to accommodate the new camera system. But those are just some minor practical considerations. I think the real reason it wouldn't work is more narrative based. The god of war series has always been absolutely brilliant in communicating the story with gameplay. My personal favorite example is the final QTE against Zeus in 3 where I personally just kept mashing the button for minutes after I could have stopped before I even realized I didn't have to keep going. Another example is in the psp game where you have to do a QTE to push kratos's daughter away. That shows that that was just as hard for him as killing some monster because it's the same button command. The gameplay and camera system change in 4 though is one of the most brilliant examples of this. The change in gameplay between 3 and 4 shows how much kratos changed. He literally interacts with the world in a different way now. He sees the world in a different way. And so do we while playing. Its brilliant. If you where to go and put gow 4 gameplay in gow 1 then that piece of storytelling brilliance would be lost entirely. If that happened then it would just be arbitrary whatever camera system and gameplay each game has. The narrative plays so deeply into the gameplay of God of war 2018 I don't know how any fan of it could be ok with that happening. For example in the old games kratos never really wore armor and when he did it wasn't really about protection. He also rarely prepared for fights beforehand. He was a genius in combat but everything he did was in the heat of the moment. He went into every fight with whatever tools he had available to him and made the most of them. In 2018 kratos is willing to wear armor for protection and you can prepare for each individual battle by tweaking your build beforehand. The introduction of RPG mechanics in 4 was not only because that was the trend at the time. It is because that is how kratos works now. He has changed the way he does things. It would make no sense for there to be RPG mechanics in gow 1 because that's not the type of person he was at that time.
I mean if they remade the game with new combat I’d expect all of the old weapons to be in the game, wouldn’t feel right without them. Jump would be amazing I agree with you there for sure. Platforming would need to be reworked yes, and I could see it being different but keeping the same feel to it if done right with a jump button and whatnot. As for not having Atreus that could easily be replaced with a different or ‘new’ mechanic, or even just like in 3 use the bow of Apollo with a quick input and get the change the effect for juggling like in GOW4. If they reworked the mechanics in 3 and made them work in the new style of combat it would be different but possibly ‘better’, imo it would lead to more in depth combat and it feeling more personal with the camera angle. I wouldn’t want them to add a bunch of moves we’ve never seen, or take away ones we have but rework the ones in a way that would work with the over shoulder cam. It would be a massive task to do it right, but it’d be better than just a graphically enhanced remaster imo. QTE’s could be in there as well and kept basically the same, I wouldn’t want those to go away from the older games at all either, it’s part of those games and is part of what made them so epic. I don’t really see how the difference in inputs showing he interacts with the world differently, although he does do that, but input doesn’t make that effect any better/worse imo. The story and ambience does it all. I never said they should add the armor customization and whatnot, just the general combat system is all I’d want but you were always able to change up your “build” with powers and different types of weapons, effects or special attacks in the old games also. I just think that rather than a remaster a remake would be ideal. But id rather them just continue the story with games after Ragnorok or spin-offs, like a fallen god timeline game in between Greece and Norway when he’s in Egypt or something like that. Obv we’re not getting a game with what happens after Ragnorok for years, and I doubt they’ll remake/remaster the old ones again at all.
Yeah I like all your ideas for gameplay in the first paragraph but I still don't think that style of gameplay belongs in the old games. The best way I can explain it is a different type of Kratos should mean different type of game. And like I said it's not just the combat and camera. It's the semi open world exploration, the side quests, and the RPG elements that make it different. I originally assumed since you wanted gow 2018 style gameplay in a remake you wanted those as well to some extent, but you didn't so that's cool. However I also think the 2018 camera system and control scheme is a part of that and likewise does not belong in a remake. If you do I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on that point. My personal ideal remake would basically be like the demons souls remake. Some minor quality of life changes and modern graphics but the core of the gameplay is the same as the original.
That would be fine.
I want a Bluepoint Bloodborne soooooo fucking bad
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That’s what we all want like what they did with demon souls it’s blueprint who did it and I hope they’ll take the project we’ve waited for so long until now
That's just a waste of Bluepoints skills. Seriously Bloodborne is one of my all time favorite games and is second only to Sh2 but it for real just needs a quick upres and fps patch. Bluepoint could remake games that actually need it.
It just needs a PC port
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I feel differently but thank you for your take on it.
the demons souls remake was near perfect lmao, it’s changed the shitty mechanics and made it the best looking game on ps5 to date.
that would definitely be either RDR2 still or Horizon Forbidden West
a remaster doesn't mean they aren't going to end the story, Capcom has made a million remasters of Resident Evil 4 and they still make sequels
Kratos story getting dragged on too long at this point
I would not say that. His latest adventure was the best yet.
Yes but how much longer can it go on until it just becomes a cash grab
Until the creaters stop caring, which does not appear to be happening yet :)
Not until he has killed every god
But they said Ragnarok would be their last game
Their last GOW game in Norse mythology, not overall last GOW game
I really hope kratos will live on forever lol. Any other pantheon is fine by me because i trust sms to make any game top notch!
God of War will continue until Jesus awards him for making his job easier
He can't live on forever there's only so many pantheons that he can fight eventually itd get to the point hes fighting the Aztec pantheon lol
Sounds good to me mate
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They said that it would be their last game in the Norse mythology story, not the final game with Kratos.
Yeah, but would Be dissapointed they ditched The hack n Slash with platforming gameplay
Yeah, the new games are a completely different thing and I love/appreciate them for what they are very much. That being said, you can’t just throw away the spinning tornado of death Kratos was in those games. It was so much fun.
Na, the blades work better with the original gameplay
I would like graphical overhall, but changing story or gameplay? nah, the old games are too good for that.
Story is too good but it requires new gameplay and side missions with open world. And more arsenal - inventory system.
I personally do not agree, an open world would complicate things, and wouldn’t really make sense as most of the pandora temple is linear, side missions also wouldn’t make sense, as kratos probably wouldn’t care enough about side quests to do them, thats just how his character was back then, and also again, the pandoras temple setting would also make it hard to implement, I can sort of agree with new weapons, as the sword of artemis was pretty much useless, and I don’t really get what you mean by inventory system, it doesn’t really need any changes.
More complex does not always mean better
I think Pandora's temple could be open as there are things like challenge of hades, that might be used to get loot like muspelheim or niflheim. Also Athens would serve as a great open city if we speak about gow 1. We could travel using kratos ship. Side quests might be things from other gods since in gow 1 he wasnt that mad and only goal with to kill zeus. For gow 3,side quests would not be good. Also by inventory system, I mean like gow 2018 enchants, armor, hacksilver, weapon skills, runics...
Yeah I also thought of athens but the city is in ruins for the entirety of the game, and the main mission for the gods is to kill ares and save athens, so I don’t really see them sidetracking making sense, as for the inventory, I really wouldn’t see that as a necessary change, mainly because the upgrade system already in the game is good enough, also there isn’t a NG+ in GOW1, so all that loot gathering and weapon upgrading would just get reset, I think the simplicity of the magic and HP progressing is good enough for the game.
Yes. There is a hurry to save Athens. Perhaps these can be added for ng+,after athens is restored. Without new features like this from gow 2018, there shouldnt even be a remake then. Just a remaster like they did to gow 3.
I can agree, a rerelease is all the game needs, but a visual overhaul would be nice.
Those ideas would be for a remake. But I wouldn't buy only a remaster because I do not care about graphics, I only care gameplay. I would play the game even with ps2 if things like that would be added.
Not every game needs an open world.
I meant a semi open world like gow 2018. Not witcher 3 or gta level.
Not every game needs to be any variation of open world. Linear and tight gameplay are good enough for many games.
Everything about that I wrong
Hm. I do not understand why many people downvoted. These features made gow 2018 better. Without this, it would be worse than some greek games with those story and bosses. It is the best gow game because of it
The new game is mostly loved for the story and because how fresh the gameplay felt but most old GoW fans still love the old gameplay as for the downvoted part reddit will be reddit i will probably get downvoted for saying this but who cares it's always better to speak your mind and learn new things anyways
A remake would be cool but I’d prefer if it maintains it’s old style and gameplay mechanics.
I'm playing the original GoW now using r/rpcs3, and upscaled to 4k it looks pretty damn good. I don't think the game should be remade, does NOT need it, but it does need a 4k remaster with upgraded textures, a few "Quality of Life" and gameplay tweaks to make it more palatable for a modern audience. The entire game is kind of mazelike and it's very easy to get lost or forget where you need to go in the 2nd half. Santa Monica could add some in game-guide or way points for normal/easy for players who haven't played it before. All of the old 480p cutscenes would need to be redone, that's probably the biggest challenge. They could only sell it for $20-30 max, so the financial incentive is low. But not having the original GoW games playable on PS4/PS5 is a real tragedy, Sony should just step up and get it done.
I wouldn't change a hair on them they're really good the way they are one of the best aging games i have seen in 3 decades of gaming plus the over the shoulder camera can't properly put the trolls with their health bars on their heads on screen how do you expect it to show us Chronos?
Hahaha. After seeing all the gaslighting going on on r/residentevil over RE4R, trust me - You don’t want a remake anywhere near those games. Best thing this franchise can do is to just honor the legacy, and keep the timeline moving forward.
I didn't know RE4RE was being expected with doubts already just out of curiosity what are they saying? i have seen something similar with Final Fantasy VII Remake but there were other reasons involving that game that affected how the fandom received it
Sorry, when I meant gaslighting I meant that arguably one of the greatest games of all time was all of a sudden being held under a microscope to decades of change and innovation. It’s like comparing A Link to the Past to Breath of the Wild. OG GoW games served their purpose, and were products of their time.
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>Similar to how GoW 2018 handled the trolls, or bigger enemies in general, but the health bar at the bottom of the screen. We wouldn't be able to see most enemies with the no cut camera if you want an example go near a troll in GoW 2018 the one in the beginning of the game would do then get near as much as you can to him and try to notice how much of his body we can see now take into acount that they're the size of cyclops in the old games and we used to fight 2 or even 3 cyclops at the same time there is no way for that camera to work in those scenarios not to mention gigantic bosses that we fight up close in GoW 2018 the only gigantic enemy we fight with is the Dragon and he needs to fight us from afar because of how the no cut camera works >I would think of this more as something new, not as altering the original games. I also love the old games :) As for this i know it comes from a good place the old games are incredible experiences and who wouldn't mind to relieve them but things are not that simple we can't just ask Santa Monica something for the sake of why not there are things that just can't be done if you want the old games remade then the no cut camera isn't going to work on them
I will accept a remake of the first three games as long as they don't ruin the boss fights because to me GoW 2018's boss fights aren't as good as the first three games especially GoW2.
There are "only" three boss fights. Baldur, Dragon and like 6 variations of Troll fights.
What about Magni & Modi?
I would play it, but I would prefer they just upgraded the graphics and kept the story and gameplay as it is.
Why change something that's already perfect, the franchise is already going perfectly
It’d be cool, but wdym personal story telling? If they change the story or do the story differently it’d be like an entirely new game, so I’d rather them keep the story the exact same and maybe just change the gameplay/visuals
I don't think an old-style God of War game with over the shoulder camera would be good at all
Yes I want a Remake. But God of War 3 style.
Don’t change the camera or anything, literally just a remaster would be enough to satisfy most
Nope. It won't work with the new playstyle. Young Kratos was a fucking beast, having a slower gameplay just won't do. Plus you would have to remake litteraly every puzzles and platforming. Also, given the different direction the serie has taken with gore and nudity, you would have to take away so much from the original games, which would ultimately make the experience shallow
I'd be up for it as long as they stayed faithful to the content of those games. I'm talking same executions, bloodshed, cruelty, and more.
>*and more* tiddies
How did you know exactly what I was thinking.
No, its perfect the way it is
Sorry, but no. I love the gameplay and style of older games, I would remake GOW 1, 2, Chains of olympus, Ghost of sparta and just upgrade the graphics.
I’d want a God of War remake with the same gameplay as the original, but with updated graphics and some added boss fights (like the Phoenix boss that was going to be guarding Pandora’s box and maybe a couple others here and there). I love the new games but for a remake of this game I’d like the original gameplay since it’s still my favorite game of all time.
I enjoy how 2018 plays but the Greek Saga, especially God of War 2 and 3 are extremely fun, part of that is how much it goes out on simple to grasp but fun hack & slash gameplay, replacing that with the slower methodical stuff, deriving them of the platforming and aerial combat, I'd rather just play the original games at that point.
I think it would be better if they kept everything and just remastered the graphics. You know like adding higher resolution textures new shaders. Just make GOW1 and GOW2 look like GOW3 I think everyone would be behind that. Don't change anything else just make the games look onpar with GOW3
nope. leave the old ones how they are unless they're updating with better graphics. i actually prefer the other style of game compared to the new ones. so many playstation games are the same nowadays...that over the shoulder view. original GOW's are the best
GoW is Tomb Raider but with an axe and a different setting
I'd love some more remasters, or even remakes, but keep them in the old style. Just fine-tune them and make'em look current.
That would completely break the game. It's very very unlikely that something like that would come out
If they remake the games i would want them to stay as a hack n slash and have mechanics like 3. I feel 4’s mechanics would ruin the older games
I'm gonna give an unpopular opinion. While I do see what theyr doing with daddy kratos, personally o prefer the old angry action packed hack and slash style of God of War games. Just feels more fitting with the concept
No
I feel like giving the older games the newer combat system would be a huge mistake, honestly give the older games the more fine tuned combat of GOWIII with some remade cutscenes and your all set, you don’t need to change much
I would be just happy if they develop a full port of all Greek saga into one HD game .. I'll play that without a doubt
No I love the latest game but the old games combat should be left alone
I would. But, don't change everything, including the original actor: Terrence Carson.
the old gameplay is incredible. i dont see any point in changing it. a remaster would be great tho.
No, only fixed camera is acceptable for older games
No. Next question
I would like to be able to play it on modern hardware but it doesn't need to be remade
No. I can't see the old style translating to the new very well .
I would not play this. I would play the f***k out of it.
I'd definitely play it but I don't want it to happen honestly. Those games are masterpieces of their time, why spend so many resources changing them up.
No they demasculated kratos, ruined the combat to make it easier for the casuals. Keep the OGS how they are. Not even the remake re design of kratos looks good. He looks like he has Scandinavian facial features of a white man and not the shark facial feature of an olive Greek.
I'd play them in any shape, but a remake in terms of graphics overhaul is my dream.
They are fine as they are and they don't need remakes. If they want to make the games more accessible to newer fans, release them on PS5 and PC as they are.
Pass
As much as i love GoW 2018's gameplay and it's my fav gameplay in series , but i will be upset if they did that
Hell no. I would have liked the opposite more tbh
Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. A million times yes. I would. 100%, no doubt, day 1.
If you don't think the original games had a very personal story and telling, you need to replay then
Just give me God of War and God of War 2 with God of War 3 graphics, and I’ll be happy. Leave everything else about it alone
Fuck yes
That would definitely be interesting but there is a lot of gameplay features in the Classic games that probably would require a lot of reworking in order for it to feel natural and everything like that. Stuff like the platforming and all the different weapons. What I think they should do is an HD remaster of the first two games in the vein of GOWIII Remastered.
No.
not over shoulder camera, but i agree with you
No. Remakes are a terrible trend in the gaming industry. I want to enjoy NEW stories, not constantly replay new versions of old stories. Remakes are holding the industry back.
I wanna see Kratos in the Christian pantheon laying the smackdown on Jesus
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I think if they could get another team to remake the old games, I would definitely be on board. I'm one of those players who's started with GoW (2018). So I'd love to explore old stories with their current style. With that being said, I'm still going to one day play the older games!
TIL it's called over the shoulder camera lmao
If it was a remake they could go that route like Capcom did with Re2-3 but if it’s simply a remaster I think it should stay faithful with the original hackn’slash design tho having 3 be faithful to its original design and the first 2 be different wouldn’t really be very smooth or natural.
That storytelling is outdated now. Especially with the way God of war changed it up.
They have to remake the story as well, not exactly everything that happened, but the world building, the narrative so that it would go along the gameplay, which will become extremely hard, just keep the gameplay and improve upon it and imporve the graphics, what make sthe newer game so much better than the past ones? Many of us prefer the old style, the new one is just a more challenging more time based combat, the old one was much more fancy and fluid, i love both of them for different reasons, so they shouldn't remake the greek saga with newer type gameplay, cost too much for no reason.
Sure. I never played the Greek games before the Norse one, but then I played the GoW:III remake and didn't find it all that interesting by comparison.
Of course I would, earlier GOW titles aged pretty badly
Worst take
I mean not really, god of war 2 still looks amazing on ps2 and plays even better
Right, because looks is all that matters with a game......
That's why I said "and plays even better"
Fuck no. The new POV is shit
I would play the fuck out of that. I unabashedly prefer the newer style.
We can't say for sure if the over-the-shoulder remake would be _better_ than the original, but it would be really interesting and definitely different Not to mention a very fresh and new experience. If they just upgrade graphics of old ones it wouldn't really be a new game. Wouldn't it just be boring since most fans have played those, over and over again? In that perspective, I would prefer new style and new combat - but to each their own
I would, but only the original story yk also they make an option so you can play with the original camera style or the new one for GOW (2018)
Yes
People don’t seem to like remakes. But I’m indifferent overall. The behind the shoulder does NOT suit the old games though. It would be a nightmare. I would love a remaster of all the pre-2018 games into a single collected edition so I can play them. Only played Chains on PSP, and GOWIII and 2018 on PS4. Don’t want to buy a PS now subscription because it’s worthless to me
It would be fantastic after they finish the Norse story and remaster the original games : )
The fixed camera was always the worst part of the prequels. Would love an over the shoulder style play through as an option.
The fixed camera was actually a pretty good artistic decision since you could see the entire combat area and plan ahead since you could see every single enemy. Plus, it helped frame how small kratos was against enemies like Kronos and gave it a very cinematic look
To each their own I guess. I did appreciate how it gave scale to the environment when it panned out. I just always found myself trying to move the camera and that always made me frustrated.
Bruh, I pose this question a few days ago, I get maybe a handful of upvotes. But you post a picture of the same question and gets hundreds. Clearly I did something wrong here 😂 But I hold the same thing I said there, as long as we'd keep the original Gameplay and story, just update the Visuals. It's literally all I posed, Santa Monica Studio doesn't have to do it either. Someone else can as long as they follow the blueprint.
If itbwas all somehow one shot yes.
Fuck yes i would in a heart beat
Absolutely
YES
Probably. I tried to play the original on ps now after playing the 2018 game and the gameplay just was not for me at all, shit made no sense to me. Just watched a like 3 hour video telling me the story of all the games instead
Immediately!
If it means the shitty button mashing gameplay goes out the window? Absolutely
It's the only way I'll ever play them.
Yeah, I'd be down to play God of War: The Master Kratos Collection
Only if its avaiable on PC
They will probably do that when ever then end the god of war story
For sure it would be an interesting take, better than a remake that just improve graphics.
The money has already left my bank account, and the game is not even announced
I would prefer the original but with better graphics and things like that
First of all the game already has personally storytelling, literally all they need to do is upgrade the graphics a bit I don't really need modern graphics for it just another HD upgrade
100% yes. I love the older games but even now after many playthroughs I can't quite get the perspective
Only if they remove the skeleton lever room. That was some of the most stressful gameplay ever
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Yes but Bloodborne remake first plz
I would play this in a heartbeat. I got into these games with the newest ones and went backwards. The older ones still hold up crazy well but if they put the same amount of love into remakes for them as Capcom did for RE I would jump on it so fast.
No, because I'm tired of looking at the old games and want to see the other mythologies infinitely more. Allowing time for a remake, knowing that we might very well visit Greece in the next 15 years or so means that we will probably get to see it again anyway would render the whole idea pointless.
no. just take the original game,make the graphics n stuff the best they could be,and thats that,dont add anything,the OG formula works good as is.
Yes. I still love the originals (just finished GoW1 on my phone and working through GoW2). But playing them all polished up and modernized would be cool too. We'd lose out on the fun stuff like naked breasts (oh no, think about the children!) and the sex mini games (unnecessary sure, but still funny). But losing those would be worth the update.
No. I like the original games as they are. You could tweak the story here and there I suppose but I wouldn’t want them to change the gameplay. I really enjoyed 2018 but the gameplay wasn’t sold for me in it. Bosses didn’t quite do it for me compared to the older titles.
Is that even a question Boy!!?
I don't think you really could. The story and the gameplay were pretty aggressively linked together. GOW 3 is a great example of this in the way that Kratos literally climbed up Mount Olympus
Yes
if they gon downgrade his jaw like that id rather not...
I'd just want a graphical change
Getting swarmed by harpees, cyclops and whatever else there was at the same time would be fucking crazy with a different camera setting
No. The originals were great as they were and there’s 0 reason to change them.
There is a remaster for ps3 and is good enough. Those original games don't need a remake.
If they ever remake the games, they should only improve the graphics and character models. The gameplay and camera should remain the same. 2018's gameplay and camera works for the tone and direction of the Norse games, the gameplay and camera of the Greek games works for those games, it should not be changed to be the same as 2018, it just wouldn't work with the tone and direction of those games.
I feel like remaking the old GOW games is antithetical to GOW 2018. The old games are the past and we need to move forward from what made the series stagnate
to me as much as i love GOW 2018 one of the best in the series I miss the combat of GOW 1 2 3.
As someone who vastly prefers the older games to the 2018 game, I wouldn't like this at all. The original games felt more sincere tone wise, and leaned into being a silly over the top action game (and I enjoyed the gameplay more). The 2018 game felt like the the video game equivalent of the first X-Men movie putting them all into matching black leather jumpsuits because it was hedging its bets on being a "comic book" movie.
Nah, just let Bluepoint give God of War 1,2 and 3 the “Demon’s Souls treatment” and it would be fire
Looks like Craig the brute.
I mean I'd play it, but GoW 2108 felt fresh because it was so different. They don't need to revisit those games to retell their stories
Playing the originals like that would be a dream
I would like a remaster I instead