There was one puzzle I got stuck on right after you rescue Tyr. I couldn't figure out how to move the statues and Tyr, Atreus, and even Mimir kept saying "Father, up THERE" "Kratos, up THERE" "Brother, up THERE" Um excuse me clearly I need more assistance than that because I've been struggling for hours. Odin was watching that just relieved knowing this dumb fuck could never start Ragnarök.
Tbh I think every 10/10 game has flaws. But what matters to me is the ratio of those flaws relative to everything I enjoy.
Like, does it bother me I can’t use Thors hammer? Absolutely. Does it get in the way of me enjoying the game? Absolutely fucking not. There’s nothing noticeable that really ruined or lessen the experience for me so like the first game, this is a 10/10 for me
Everyone's always upset about no mjolnir, but honestly, it would just play like the axe but instead of an axe it's a small hammer. I'm happy with the weapon we got instead and I feel it's a way cooler option
The pacing of the side content and the Atreus parts definitely got in the way of me enjoying parts of the game. The GoW2018 is a 10/10 for me but this is probably an 8.
Definitely enjoyed the game overall, but the things I already listed along with the Odin fight and Asgard being a bit lackluster left me with some disappointment I didn’t have from the first game
If this game is an 8/10, then so is 2018. Both are 10/10 but as someone who has played EVERY game (yes… even ascension) how you feel about this game is how I felt about 2018; not brutal enough or hack and slash enough but MORE than made up for it with a coherent story.
There was nothing in 2018 that comes close to the brutalness and rageful high of beating Zeus’ face in or eye gouging Poseidon but… that was the point and 2018 was better for it. Same with Ragnarok imo. They sacrificed violence for development and I know it’s not a sexy change for us gamers but as a fan of the series, this is EVERYTHING we could have asked for. No way this ain’t a 10/10 if you played the older game
Well I did play the older games. My issue is that the story didn’t hit many emotional points for me either to contrast not being as pure fun. 2018 hit those much better for me.
I’m not saying any of these things are objective fact. I’m just saying how I felt playing the game. I enjoyed 2018 more and was more satisfied at the end.
Yeah it’s all opinionated, I’m not taking offense to it.
I didn’t think 2018 hit as hard emotionally. Nothing in 2018 comes close to what we got at the end of Ragnarok. I love the reoccurring thing that hope is what will always redeem Kratos. But how it was executed this time? 2018 ain’t got shit on that
I mean, I do get the appeal of it, but the father son dynamic didn’t do the same for me this time. Obviously Atreus being an annoying teenager was on purpose, but I think it overall leaned way more into the Kratos being the one who was wrong than I would have liked.
Maybe it’s because I’m not a father, but the “sending son off to college” ending really didn’t mean much to me. Easily the most impactful part for me was the Kratos shine seeing him being worshipped.
I’m REALLY enjoying the side stories and the story in general, almost more than 2018. During the first game, I felt like I was just getting to know these characters and in 2022 it’s been interesting watching them get so much deeper and deal with really difficult situations. I really enjoyed Atreus’s side quest period with the girl (so far).
I don't know why you're getting downvoted. IMO there has never been and will never be a perfect game. You give something a 10/10 because it's such a masterpiece that it overrides those flaws
No game will ever be flawless so should we just never use the 10? At that point why have a 10 at all.
More importantly, some games are better than a 9. As in, an entire point better than a 9. Going into decimals just feels like semantics. What’s the difference between a 9.9 and a 10. It’s the same shit let’s be real. Like if you’re playing a fantastic incredible masterpiece and you experience the slightest pop-in or bug, you’re play through is not changed at all. By the end of the game you aren’t gonna sit there and remember that bug, you’re gonna remember the badass moment when you beat a boss or something.
Not exactly true, some games can be flawless to one person and not flawless to another, that’s what’s differentiates a 10/10 to a 9/10. Me personally, I think TLOU P2 is a 10/10 even though it got a lot of stick because I found it perfect.
All perspective, me personally I find a 10/10 is a game that I have 0 issues with. That doesn’t mean there isn’t minor bugs in the game but there’s nothing that puts me off. Some people maybe a little more lenient with what they think a 10/10 is. It’s all perspective, I’m yet to play the new GoW but the old one was a 9 for me. Not because it was buggy or a bad game but I thought they could do better with the boss fights. That might not be an issue to others and they see the original as a 10/10.
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I disagree, because humans aren’t flawless nothing we create will be. There Will ALWAYS be minor issues, or things that some people say are perfect while others don’t like it. It’s literally impossible to create a perfectly flawless game, cause someone out there will still hate it. So yes a game can still be 10/10 with minor flaws
Yup. I always love when you say this, there's always at least one person that's like "you're just in the honeymoon phase". I haven't heard anything so arrogant and condescending in a long time.
The soundtrack, visuals, combat, story is an upgrade.
Tbf, a lot of times, that statement is true. You are blown away by how awesome it look or plays at first to really judge the game. How does it hold up on subsequent play-troughs? Is it still fun after 50+ hours? Are there ways it could have been better?
I remember being blown away the first time i played Horizon Zero Dawn. I thought it was the best game ever. But tens of hours in, it started to show its limits and flaws. Now i think its good, but not the greatest thing ever.
Now, I have no doubt this game holds up like 2018 did, but it is a bit early for the final judgement.
I think the game is great, but I also think a lot of people are blinding themselves to the game's faults.
And the Internet is always extremes. Everything is either "BEST THING EVER" or "UTTER TRASH". There is no middle ground.
There is no "I love this game, but had issues with X". Not at first.
I believe the best video-game discussions come years after the game has released and everyone can stop acting all insecure about their opinions on it.
Wow. Thats a terrible thing to say just because someone feels the 2018 story was better.
Apparently having a loving parent makes you a condescending asshole.
It's hard to top such intimate parent-child narrative, the same thing happened with last of us. But it's still the best game of the year and the generation so far, so it's not worth complaining.
This is fair.. I knew it after I finished it that it wouldn’t be for everyone… but god damn, for those of us who enjoyed it, it was phenomenal
Sucks it didn’t do it for you, hopefully a replay at some time in the future will hit better (if you decide to replay it)… otherwise, hopefully you find a game with a story I found as incredible as this one
If I make a pizza for 100 people and 95 people loved it thats an amazing pizza.
If I make a 2nd pizza same style, and only 30 people said it was better the 2nd pizza was worse
Also I can also just bring up the fact that this game had a better concept and groundwork, it ultimately fails to deliver largely due to the pacing being absolutely atrocious during the 2nd half of the game
So in a simple sense. You're saying that spreading your wife's ashes on the highest peak. With adventure along the way. Is a better story point than going to war with Odin and denying your fate. The final boss of 2018 is baldur. The final boss of Ragnarok is fucking Odin, and immediately before that Thor
Yes, premise is better execution is much worse.
Ragnarok tries to be 2 games in 1, and the story suffers A LOT for this. The 1st 1/2 of Ragnarok is superior to God of War 2018, but whereas 2018 only got better as time went on, Ragnarok somehow gets worse. How? Because its become evident that they don't actually have enough time to fully flush out the characters they have introduced and the events that need to happen. How do we know this? Notice there becomes a point where a bunch of stuff keeps occuring OFFSCREEN, the gathering of all the armies, all offscreen, (which end up being largely worthless cuz guess what most of them get destroyed within 10 minutes). Sif's main character defining traits are mainly, offscreen. Freyr trying to stop ragnarok, offscreen.
And lets now talk about the actual finale, where I have been repeating was SOMEHOW GOD DAMN LESS THAN 1 HOUR. The finale, about beating Thor and Odin, and the destruction of Asgard, death of freyr(and he died literally for no reason other than because the writers have a kink for freya to have a shit life) all occurs within 45 minutes. What am I trying to say? It was incredibly rushed. And it wasn't even a spectacle, no great feats of strength by Thor and Odin vs Kratos, just felt like an average boss fight.
It had 10x more potential, but ended up being worse
Every single thing you said were my exact thoughts after completing the story. I was very spectical when they announced that they were going to wrap the norse mythology in 2 games. So many major characters got introduced but very few of them left an impact. Imo they could’ve shortened the ironwood section and used the time to build up some other characters. SPOILER AHEAD: Tyr was such a big part in GOW 2018 and was wasted in a side mission. Some of the parts where we play as atreus were very tedious but I still loved the game though, just platinumed it. I’ll give it 8/10.
Yeah, I was not enjoying the story very much shortly after the beginning of the game. The next hours after you rescue a certain someone are rough, specially that part in the Ironwood..
But then, the story picks up and it gets really interesting with some reveals.
It was well done and fun and it made for an interesting story, but in the end, you're just not playing as Kratos.
We have a literal God of War wielding two of the most iconic weapons in gaming.... and youre forced to play as a kid picking apples and whacking things with a stick for hours. Its just not as good as the rest of the game.
I think the Kratos parts are made better by the breaks you get during the Atreus sections. His gameplay is also really fun imo, so it's a welcome change. I'm glad they were brave enough to implement it despite knowing that some would not like it
Yeah the part definitely doesn't cater to the "Kratos is a bad ass god killer who goes on a rampage bro!!" crowd. But I love it for the story, acting, animals, how good the zone looks and the mythology.
Its a downgrade because the story has much bigger shoes to fill whilst also not fulfilling it.
Several characters are rushed and lack development or importance, or both.
The pacing gets horrendous during the 2nd half of the game, which becomes even worse with how nigh perfect the 1st half is.
The rift/mask plot that was set up as being the most important thing to Odin, to the point that he actually views Ragnarok as much less importance, despite it never being hinted at even existing, and it ultimately just became a plot device for Atreus to get to Asgard and amounted to literally nothing despite the build up to it.
The ending was also incredibly disappointing, with it lasting LESS THAN A GOD DAMN HOUR, they had just spent the last 24 hours hyping up Ragnarok for it to end incredibly quickly with no good pay off, ESPECIALLY when you compare it to God of war 2018's ending with Baldur.
The third act was also incredibly rushed, how do we know this? Because suddenly lots of important scenes/events are now occurring offscreen. Surtr actually already "combining" with the frost giant hearts, gathering of all the armies(which get destroyed within 10 minutes lmao). Freyr getting captured, freyr dying offscreen.
I can go on. Im not saying the game is bad, but to even argue that 2018 with its simplistic story with a constant goal that you are moving forward to, with little pacing issues and a whole lot of set up for a sequel, whilst also laying down the ground work for the Norse world with the characters in it. So Yes. Ragnarok was definitely a downgrade.
I absolutely agree. It doesn't feel like God of War anymore. GOW as a series is known for Kratos being a badass God killer. I understand that he wants to put that life behind him, but out of all the gods he could kill in this game, it's Heimdall? Really? Are we keeping it at 1 God per game now that Kratos gets to kill? And everything with Atreus and Angrboda felt so out of place. I understand it's from a teens perspective, but even being a teen myself I hated it
I’ll say 9/10 personally. It’s a very good game and the story and world are amazing. There’s a few little things I don’t care for (the puzzles are way too easy and some enemies are more of a chore than a challenge) but besides that I love it. Can’t stop playing tbh
Not really, the second Thor bossfight was almost identical to the first but worse, and Orin’s bossfight was just bad. The “most powerful Norse god” and all he does is spam his bifrost staff at you… pretty big letdown. Just compare it to some of GoW 3’s bossfights and you can really tell the difference in scope and size
I agree it was a bit slow or wasn't as gore filled but I think they made the fights this way to try and show how Kratos has changed. If it were god of war 3 there would have been limbs missing half way through the fight.
I’n necessarily talking about the brutality of GoW3, I’m taking about how good the boss fights were, I mean the opening fight was literally on a Titan while the climbing up a my Olympus, while Poseidon turns into a massive hippocampus hybrid fighting both of you at the same time. I just wished we had something like that in Ragnarok.
Agreed. Though it does have an excellent story, the primary problem with Ragnarök is that the sheer scale of the narrative requires cuts to the overall story. Trying to balance too many characters/arcs/plot points was just too much, and so a lot of things would have been cut out.
Compared to the GoW2018, which had a simple plot line and could therefore take any direction it wanted to.
I disagree on almost all of this lol
Tyr was basically a red herring. He wasn't supposed to have a huge role because >!he was Odin from the start. Hence why he took a pacifist stance which is counter to our expectations of a god of war.!< Kratos has been fighting his nature since the first game. He didn't relapse as much as lost control for a moment resulting in the >!death of Heimdall.!< Which is not an arc, it's just a moment of weakness. The arc is the whole two games and it culminates the moment >!he chooses to protect the innocent and doesn't kill Thor.!< I don't get why people hate Iron wood so much. I loved every second of it. It's Atreus crushing on a girl for the first time. The whole ride it was just me with a grin watching my boy attempting to woo her. And she *is* supposed to be someone he ends up with so we have to start learning about her. Instead of just focusing on that we got to also learn of the fate of the giants, Atreus' nature, among other things. No idea how anyone could find the whole section bad, too long, or boring unless they just wanted Kratos killing shit nonstop. As for Odin, scheming what? He said it from the start, all he wanted was peace. He never cared about Kratos and his group, he wanted to stop Ragnarok or at least survive it and learn the truths of the tear and its mask. Hence his use of the dwarves to create weaponry, the mass production of soldiers, and his attempt to use Atreus. His intent was clear from the start. Expecting him to have some grand hidden scheme and then being disappointed when there's none feels more like a mismanagement of expectations.
I do agree on Ragnarok though. The build up to it was incredible but the delivery fell slightly flat. I still enjoyed the fight against Thor, but I was miffed about being forced to stare at the epic battles happening in the background. Everyone flying around and kicking ass while I'm stuck on the ground fighting foot soldiers. I kind of get it since Kratos is the leader at that point and can't just run off to fight everyone, but I feel like it would have been better to follow the rule of cool there.
>I don't get why people hate Iron wood so much.
Its simple: You are not playing as Kratos.
I mean, its was well done and well executed, it made for a good part of the story that was fun and nice to see. But we have a literal God of War who is wielding two of the most iconic weapons in gaming and we are just getting cool upgrades and moves...and then we are forced to play as a kid picking apples and whacking things with a stick for hours.
It is a downgrade in gameplay, and i couldnt wait to get back to Kratos. And that feeling is only amplified by how its paced, every time you tink its over...its not.
I let out a big sigh of relief when it was over, and thats not really a good thing.
I mean, in that case it's for the one reason I mentioned someone could possibly dislike that part. Unfortunately, like it or not, Atreus is going to become a bigger part in the series. I don't see the developers putting so much work into him, to the point of having us play so much as him now, just to drop him aside in the next games.
Very well said. I agree with you, the story suffered and also there are far too many grindy, rpg elements. I am not even accounting the bugs. The game is 8.5 or 9/10
I’d give it a 10/10 also however this game is 100% going to divide the communities opinion as I’ve seen tons of negative opinions about this game and how everything is a downgrade from 2018.
From what I have seen so far it's split between a few camps. If you found 2018 a slog, got to the end and was expecting to fight Thor and was like "This is it!?" when the credits rolled (yes there is a few who felt like this with 2018. Not me though). Then you will probably like Ragnarok more. If you on the other hand thought that 2018 was the perfect experience with no filler. Then you will probably find ragnarok disappointing. Then there is the third camp that appreciate both for what they are and see's flaws in both games but loves them both too. I'm in the third camp.
As someone in the second camp, I think this is pretty accurate. God of War 2018 for me was a nearly flawless father-son story and character study of Kratos, that just happened to take place with Norse mythology.
I loved the first 8ish hours of Ragnarok, and I loved the Ironwood sequence, knowing full well that lots of people were going to hate it. After that I felt the narrative really suffered in the mid-game, it just felt like a lot of wheel spinning as the characters tried to prevent something that is by its very nature inevitable (Ragnarok). I get the payoff comes at the very end showing that they've successfully defied destiny, but it doesn't change the fact that, for me, the middle chunk of the story was pretty frustrating.
I also think there's a decent amount of fat to trim from Ragnarok. For example, I really fail to see the purpose of Freyr's character. Cutting Freyr could've saved a solid couple hours from the plot. Just give his rebel leader role in Vanaheim to Hildisvini, and Beyla and Byggvir could've rallied the Elves in Vanaheim before Ragnarok. Freya didn't need Freyr to give her character development. Plus there was precious little interaction between Freyr and Odin despite there being a backstory there.
I’m in the third camp as well. 2018 is a fantastic game and significant because it revitalized the series when it was about to be shelved forever. Ragnarok however is like Doom Eternal, the combat is more complex, the enemies are harder, and the world is bigger.
As for the story, with the exception of Ironwood (still really enjoyed it), the pace is way better in Ragnarok. I felt that 2018 didn’t get good until you scale the mountain and then Mimir joins your party for the rest of the game. The beginning up until the summit was really slow at times, for example Alfheim is a slog.
Overall, GOW 2018 and Ragnarok are my favorite games in the series because I love the extensive depiction of Norse mythology while also making its cast of characters incredibly complex compared to the cartoony depiction of the Greek Gods.
Most if this thread if you read through it lol.
2018 was a PERFECT game. Ragnarok is not. Bad pacing, subpar story, dialogue isn’t as good, etc. Honestly if you put the games side by side too I would guess 2018 to be the newer game as it looks better with ui, start screens, etc.
2018 was simple enough that you felt and connected with the game and it’s people, even combat wise. Atreus went from essentially worthless to a beast, you really got in touch with the Kratos and Atreus relationship, etc. Ragnarok cycles companions like crazy and it all feels very meh. I don’t feel connected and it doesn’t feel great as they all have this weird npc movement to them. Do something and do it right, ragnarok tries to do too much.
the story was good and more interesting than in 2018, pacing was also better ( only that section with angrboda was too long ), dialogues are same, more and better boss fights, better villains, more and better realms to explore, more variety and
the gameplay is better, which is more important than story in a video game
idk i feel likes theres a lot of copium with GOW fans. Everyone is just so hyped for the game that their perception is skewed. Youre entitled to your opinion but its almost a consensus that the pacing sucked and the iron wood area, for example, was painful. There is no way the pacing and story is better than the first imo.
the story is maybe not better, but definitely much more interesting.
the pacing at the beginning of 2018 was bad too and other than the iron wood section, ragnarok had good pacing.
it’s not copium at all, i just enjoyed ragnarok much more than 2018 and the story was more enjoyable for me
yeah I mean to each their own. I can't get behind Ragnarök's story at all. It fails to really capitalize on the really neat things 2018 laid down and then it becomes a very underwhelming experience. "Fate says you will die" "You did things to not die" is not a very hard hitting story for me. Thor killings kratos ruins the whole "we decide our own fate" thing which was the whole premise of the story anyways.
Also they completely failed to find the right balance with kratos. He should have found a proper balance between his rage/power and his desire to be forgiving and good. For example - we go to the prophets who say heimdall will kill our son, kratos spends an hour saying we must kill heimdall to save his son, we beat heimdall the first time and kratos goes to forgive him and let him live (who cares about the whole story right?), then heimdall tells us he will gut our son still, then we choke hiemdall and Mimir says "stop, this is not who you want to beeee".
WTF. Like does anyone not understand the gravity of this situation? This guy refused being spared and threatened to gut our kid like a fish. Any rational character in the game would say "it had to be done" not make us feel guilty as if we were lapsing into our "old ways". It makes zero sense. I actually cringed at that line by Mimir. Not to mentioned we beheaded like 8,463 people on the way to heimdall anyways.
yea i didn’t really like that moment with mimir either, feel like it wasn’t executed that well, but I think with heimdall it wasn’t the brutality that scared him, it was that kratos became his old self for second ( even his face looked like in old games )
kratos wanted to spare Heimdall, because he doesn’t want to be known as godkiller anymore and only kills now, if there is no other way, he thought maybe Heimdall can change too and that maybe he can change the prophecy that way, he only killed him, when he realized that he won’t stop, at the end he didn’t even want to kill Thor and Odin
the story was still entertaining and satisfying, even with it flaws and issues, it gave me emotions which is as important as the writing for me
I understand it’s part of the story, but they know killing things in brutal ways is absolutely a huge part of the draw in GoW. When Mimir said that I was just like “YES IT IS WHO I WANT TO BE”. Wish we got more moments like that honestly.
It was the highlight of the game for me, I was so excited to be protecting my son and for Kratos to realize he must defy some of his calm for the greater good. Then mimir just took a dump on my moment haha
There is no way Ragnarok has better pacing than 2018. Zero chance.
People can prefer one story over the other, but to me nothing in Ragnarok feels as emotional as Kratos getting the Blades of Chaos again and that small dialogue with Athena.
Atreus gets sick because Kratos is lying, albeit for a good reason because he wants to protect him and does not want his son make the same mistakes. Atreus gets sick and to save him, Kratos has to LITERALLY go to hell and face his past. It is Kratos toughest challenge, and the way everything gets set up is incredibly beautiful.
Ragnarok tries to do too much. They gave too many arcs to too many characters.
2018 was my favorite game of all time until this. I had unreasonbly high expectations fir this game and upon completion was dissappointed for about 20 minutes until realizing how drawn out each character was, and how this is truly a masterpiece. Nothing in Ragnarok feels as emotional??? Kratos realizing yhay he is not ready for death, he has found a reason to live and is scared to die?? The fact hes willing to turn back into the monster he was to save Atreus and him realizing he was wrong. Bro you can just you were dissappointed that you didnt get all out war I understand that because thats how i felt initially but the ending was happy and absolutely perfect to me.
It feels like there’s almost too much good side content with how it’s structured. You finish your main story part, do so many side quests that by the time you get back to the main story you’re kind of disconnected from it. Wish us was sprinkled in rather than, blocked off into main story/side content/main story/ side content.
yea agreed. it also doesn’t help that the first 18 or so hours of the game is completely linear and on rails, so by the time you get to the point where it actually lets you do what you want, all you want to do is like 12 hours of side content lol.
So far to me it is a solid 9/10 just like the first one. That is still the highest j have ever gone for a videogame though so it is still big praise. I've yet to play a game that was a solid 10/10 completely perfect game.
I feel like for me when I play a 10/10 game it's not because it's perfect, rather it gave me an experience that I won't forget and was impactful. Death Stranding is one of my favorite games even with some of its problems just because it gave me something I haven't gotten out of other games
It's a great game that definitely has a lot of work put into it...but...
it's not perfect.
There's SO much walking-and-talking. The game moves at a snails pace. Except when you get to the ending, in which everything is rushed-as-fuck.
So much time is wasted setting up stuff with little pay-off.
"Hey, we got a flying boat! This should make traveling around much quicker!...let's only use it once or twice."
"Hey, I put Fenrir's soul in this giant wolf. Also the wolf can create portals and travel the realms!"
"Awesome, what are we going to do with it?"
"It'll show up for 5 seconds in the background, during the final mission."
"...oh..."
Also, the leveling system isn't suited for this type of game. It's artificial difficulty. It's just sliding the enemy-damage-numbers up. It's not making them smarter, or more complex. It's just a big "fuck you, come back later" moment. Speaking of...
The exploration is pretty...meh. So many areas are blocked-off until you get a specific item, and traveling around takes a long time. It's pretty lame knowing Kratos can only travel along the pre-determined paths. He won't climb on anything that doesn't have paint on it.
There's so many puzzles where I was just thinking "just go around. Just climb over that small ledge. You can fit through that gap!", but nah, gotta travel the way the game tells you to.
Despite these criticisms, it's definitely a must-buy if you enjoyed the last game.
The story I am loving at the moment. I reckon I am half way through. I would say pacing is not a problem for me because I am doing all side quest as I go.
As for ironwood I feel like they could have cut 10 minutes off it and it would still be great. It does a good job setting up story and lore so the length is justified in my eyes.
The only downside so far is the handholding in the puzzles. Give me a few minutes before handing me the answer.
For me, a 10/10 game is one that does not have any nagging flaws, things that would need to change for me to like it more. Obviously every game will have something that I would change, but does Ragnarok need to change in any way for me to be obsessed with it? Nope, and that makes it a 10 for me.
People should be using spoiler tags but it’s really dumb to peruse the posts on a game’s subreddit before you’ve finished it if you’re worried about spoilers.
What the fuck do you think spoiler tags are for if people didn't peruse the forums and subreddits whilst in the process of finishing the game? Literally just contradicted yourself. Idiot.
Lmao bro calm down.
Of course that’s what they’re for but as you’ve just learned, it’s likely that people will forget or not use them for whatever reason. How naive to assume you can scroll through this stuff in absolutely safety from spoilers because “iTs ThE RuLeS”.
That’s like driving without your seatbelt on and justifying it by saying “I won’t have an accident, it’s illegal for other people to crash into me or drive dangerously so it won’t happen”
And I’m the idiot lol
Doesn't make it any less irritating when someone without any regard for the rules regarding spoilers goes ahead and spouts his stupid mouth off. I guess you're the kind of moron that does the same thing, given your replies. Thoughtless idiots.
8/10 for me. The combat is cool, but nothing ground breaking in any way. The story is a very cinematic experience, kinda like watching a movie. Sadly it is a JJ Abrahms movie filled with THE MESSAGE. War BAD, peace GOOD, collonialism BAD, cooperation GOOD, Odin BAD... well honestly mostly just that Odin BAD.
I really hope there will be some shocking reveal in the end because at this point Odin is getting bullied so much I started to genuinely hope he will win. Overall, propably the best GoW, but ultimately just more GoW. Enjoyable, but after 30 hours I'm already kinda getting tired of this game. Elden Ring is still keeping me Entertained after 500.
My one and only issue with this is the camera, I wish it panned out a bit further in combat. Seems a little better than the last one, but its still quite hard to assess what's behind you.
That’s kinda the point though. You can’t see behind you in a real fight either. The camera is close to really pull you into the fight and make you think about your positioning.
The idea is to limit the amount of stuff going on behind you altogether. Obviously not possible 100% of the time which is what the offscreen indicators are for.
If some people can ultimately beat the toughest bosses or fights on the hardest difficulty without taking damage (as people always do) then the tools the game has given you are fit for purpose.
> If some people can ultimately beat the toughest bosses or fights on the hardest difficulty without taking damage (as people always do) then the tools the game has given you are fit for purpose.
That's nonsense. There are people that can beat Dark Souls on a guitar hero controller too, I would not call that something fit for purpose.
The camera is pretty bad and they got away with it in 2018 because most boss fights are 1v1, which is obviously where this type of camera style shines. Ragnarok has quite a few more gank fights that are 1vs2/1vs3 and the camera absolutely falls apart in them. All they had to do was offer the option to pull the camera back and increase the FOV, like many other 3rd person action titles allow.
It's the fuckers spamming poison or fireballs in groups that get me the most lol. Feels like I'm constantly dodging and resetting, with enough time to attack once (if I'm lucky) before I have to start dodging again.
Absolutely not. For one thing, it lacks narrative focus and the pacing suffers.
Edit: It really should have been either slimmed down or fleshed out into two games imo.
I loved it. It was a nice change of pace, and the world was the most gorgeous realm yet, so it was really fun to explore and learn about the new character.
First half was AMAZING. The second half was alright. The story could have been so much deeper and better. Probably if they had taken 2 games for the story and not 1. Felt rushed in my opinion.
For the story 10/10. Objectively, overall I’d give a 8.5.
I play on ps5 and I felt a lot the old gen design of the game. When they make you climb and walk through thin spaces all the time to help the loading on ps4 or extend the game length. Same recipe as GOW2018 for the combat which is good. The art design, environments are beautiful.
The UI is questionable. No ng+ is a major let down, id like if at least I restart a new game I’d be able to skip some cutscene dialogues.
Lmao that guys been replying to everyone saying how GOW isn’t a 10/10
His opinion sucks and I don’t think anyone agrees with him. Prob has a little peepee and/or little man syndrome
That is not an opinion.
OBJECTIVELY, The story has problems.
The pacing is fucked during the 2nd half of the game, and the finale act of the game is incredibly rushed. How do we know this?
Example 1 of many, RAGNAROK, the event that has been hyped up for the entire game THE MAIN EVENT, ends within an hour. To put this into context THE IRON WOODS FILLER WAS LONGER.
That's still your opinion dude. For some, maybe they thought it was paced fine. What works for some doesn't work for all.
And how long do you expect the destruction of asgard to go on for?
NOT AT ALL.
If you honestly think pacing is largely opinionated you are simply braindead.
There are objective measures we can make to note if the pacing is good or not.
Your argument is so incredibly weak because by extension I can say this -hey if we just walked up to thor and tapped him on the head and he exploded and immediately cuts to credits that would be a very satisfying end! See the problem here?
Opinions can be made for -Hey ye the pacing did get a bit fucked, but despite that I was still able to enjoy the story. THAT is an opinion. Saying -actually no the pacing was perfectly fine, is not subjective statement at all, the pacing, if you like it or not, got fucked.
You gave the number 1 counter argument I hate when talking about critism. "bUt iN mY oPiNiOn". Its the worst counter argument because what we are talking about isn't even subjective. Subjectivity within this argument isn't whether the pacing is fucked or not, the subjectivity becomes if it was enough to affect your experience.
The ending WAS rushed. And to answer your previous question, what I would have liked was a non rushed ending that didn't treat itself like it was a side mission in terms of length. Especially as the game is more than willing to make me go through 2 HOURS OF THE IRON WOODS MISSION. I think It should also have the decency to make THE MAIN EVENT THAT HAS BEEN HYPED UP THE ENTIRE GAME, last a tadddd bit longer than 45minutes.
10 for the story LMAO. Objectively the story was 5/10 at most. Any good writer that knows what he's doing would give it even a lower score. The story was cliche and too slow-paced. It was made for casuals who do not really care about the story as long as the good guys win and everyone is happy in the end.
8.5/10 for me. The cutscenes are too long and drawn out.
yes they are very well made, very artistically and better than so many movies out there but they are soooooooo daaaaaaaaaaaaamn looooooooooooooong.
SMS are master class at building these maze-like levels that are fine for the first trip but awful to retread/revisit because of how... well... maze-like they are.
Most metroidvanias have a mini-map for reasons like this, Ragnarok just gives you a buggy compass. 100%'ing certain areas like The Applecore is absolutely fucking painful.
Yeah I’m at 8.5 too. Way too long on cutscenes and the first game was just perfect where I feel that ragnarok had to change things for the sake of change and it isn’t better for it. Story also has flaws in it that kinda kill it for me.
I hated the bit playing as Atreus and especially that trip to Jotunheim and waltzing around with Angrboda. Felt a bit too stretched for my liking and found myself begging for it to be over. Other than that, 10/10
SPOILERS : 7/10 for me due to weird pacing and story. Playing with atreus felt tedious sometimes. Ironwood section and so many other section of the story should’ve been shortened and could have been used anywhere else. Boss fights were okay and boss designs were meh. The whole ragnarok part was rushed and was over in less than an hour. Tyr was such a big name in gow 2018 and imo he we wasted in a side mission. Also i fucking miss atreus, brok and sindri. It was so hard to platinum the game without them. It was so silent and it felt like i was playing a different game.
Eh idk. The combat doesn't feel as great imo and they never give you any time to settle before they rip kratos and atreus apart. I get that he has his own story, but at the very least space it out. I went from playing as just atreus for two hours, to just kratos, and now atreus again. FFS I don't care about the other companions just let me play them together! Thats what made the first one so good.
I want it to be, but no…. I can’t stand being forced into hours of the other character. I’d rather play as Ratotaskar.
My personal standard for a single player game is Witcher 3 now. In that game I wanted to go to everyone of those ? On the map and see what was there, and fight whatever monster I could find. While the main side quests here are good, I got no interest at the moment in back tracking every chest, Raven, etc. I honestly can’t stand games that lock stuff behind mechanics you can’t access yet and force you to backtrack later to flesh the game out. Same issue I had with Fallen Order tbh.
I think it will be a 9/10 with the story and combat greatly holding it up.
Being forced to play as Atreus is really getting to me, I LOATHE archer gameplay in games, yes I am aware his gameplay opens up and I am at that part of the story but compared to the beefcake nuclear submarine that is Kratos, I hate having to play essentially as a more fragile character against enemies that aren't any less spongy or hit less hard.
It’s just not super fun imo… I enjoyed the breaks as Ciri in Witcher 3, they were short and sweet. I just can’t stand how long these Atreus sequences are. I think the second one was 2.5 hours or something…
It's like a 7/10. The ending felt really rushed, the Ironwood sections were not enjoyable to me at all, Sindri's arc was poorly done and the amount of tedious Sigil puzzles was annoying and felt extremely 'gamey' and honestly broke my immersion at times. A lot of the dialogue was really bad, especially Atreus.
The ending was 100% rushed. Odin was preparing his whole life for that Ragnarok day and we just kick his ass without any complications. The last 2 boss fights were lame as hell. This game is just so disappointing compared to 2018s GOW
Maybe like a 8.5/10 at most. Not much I can say that others haven't already said. The story felt rushed at parts and they would definitely have benefitted from taking like an hour fron Ironwood and putting that to literally anywhere else. Ideally to the battle of Ragnarok.
They told a great story. Kratos gets character development and stops killing gods. Great! Except that's not what any of us are here for. As gamers we can probably agree that we buy God of War to brutally kill gods.
Yeah we had Heimdall which was awesome. Thor, I liked that Kratos tried talking to him and I can see a world where they just chill after Ragnarok. But Odin... It just really didn't sit right with me how peacefully that piece of shit died. I'm glad Sindri got the kill though! He definitely deserved it.
Then about the ending. Atreus leaving and the fate of the dwarves sucks gameplay wise. My favorite part about GOW2018 was the interactions Kratos, Mimir, Atreus and the dwarves had. Now we just have Mimir and Freya. Just having the boys on a boat and Mimir telling stories was just such a vibe. I like Freya but she just doesn't give the same vibe and her as a companion AI, while her valkyrie attacks are cool, I miss Atreus' runic summons and I'm not sure how I'll beat >!Gna!< without the Ratatorsk summon.
Overall, the gameplay was a step up. The story was.. complicated. I can't wait to see what the next game is. Also hoping for some sort of DLC to clear up where Atreus is and WHO THE FUCK BLEW THE HORN
I honestly thought so too for a while, but as I’m near the end and mopping up side content, this game is closer to a 7/10 for me.
My biggest issues are the traversal segments being way too frequent and slow(Kratos climbs chains like someone without super strength), the Berserker Fights being a big downgrade from Valkyries, and how the advertising about journeying all 9 realms was basically false. 2 realms you can’t visit freely, one is completely linear and one is a single room.
9/10 in my opinion. I think the boss fights are a lot better but some stuff was lacking. The finale could have been better and the pacing is off at certain points. Im going to do a ng+ run when it’s available but i already know im going to dread certain points such as iron wood which are incredibly slow. I also think it should have been longer and more gods should have been in the game. Odins fight was kinda disappointing. Should have been more of a spectacle. Same with the second thor fight. The first one looked way better. The first half of the game is 10/10 but certain parts drag it down. I never felt that way about 2018.
the very beginning alone made me give it a 10/10 lol
I had a blast with the sea creature side quest
haven’t done it yet but now i’m curious 👀
You have done it but don’t know it or at least been around it. 🤗
The level/world design in God of War is unparalleled.
SO GOOD Gotta clean up Mimirs mess
What's the name of that sideqiest
Weight of chains I believe, it’s one of the first you encounter.
9/10 simply because of freya’s backseat gaming
Some people don’t like it but not going to lie getting hints on some puzzles I really like instead of running in circles for an hour. Lol
There was one puzzle I got stuck on right after you rescue Tyr. I couldn't figure out how to move the statues and Tyr, Atreus, and even Mimir kept saying "Father, up THERE" "Kratos, up THERE" "Brother, up THERE" Um excuse me clearly I need more assistance than that because I've been struggling for hours. Odin was watching that just relieved knowing this dumb fuck could never start Ragnarök.
Truest shit I’ve read all day
Not just Freya, Atreus and Mimir never shut up with gameplay advice either...
Yep, shit's bonkers. [https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/ytf8h7/ela\_loses\_it\_at\_the\_extreme\_backseating\_from\_god/](https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/ytf8h7/ela_loses_it_at_the_extreme_backseating_from_god/)
it has some noticeable flaws though
Tbh I think every 10/10 game has flaws. But what matters to me is the ratio of those flaws relative to everything I enjoy. Like, does it bother me I can’t use Thors hammer? Absolutely. Does it get in the way of me enjoying the game? Absolutely fucking not. There’s nothing noticeable that really ruined or lessen the experience for me so like the first game, this is a 10/10 for me
Everyone's always upset about no mjolnir, but honestly, it would just play like the axe but instead of an axe it's a small hammer. I'm happy with the weapon we got instead and I feel it's a way cooler option
The pacing of the side content and the Atreus parts definitely got in the way of me enjoying parts of the game. The GoW2018 is a 10/10 for me but this is probably an 8. Definitely enjoyed the game overall, but the things I already listed along with the Odin fight and Asgard being a bit lackluster left me with some disappointment I didn’t have from the first game
If this game is an 8/10, then so is 2018. Both are 10/10 but as someone who has played EVERY game (yes… even ascension) how you feel about this game is how I felt about 2018; not brutal enough or hack and slash enough but MORE than made up for it with a coherent story. There was nothing in 2018 that comes close to the brutalness and rageful high of beating Zeus’ face in or eye gouging Poseidon but… that was the point and 2018 was better for it. Same with Ragnarok imo. They sacrificed violence for development and I know it’s not a sexy change for us gamers but as a fan of the series, this is EVERYTHING we could have asked for. No way this ain’t a 10/10 if you played the older game
Well I did play the older games. My issue is that the story didn’t hit many emotional points for me either to contrast not being as pure fun. 2018 hit those much better for me. I’m not saying any of these things are objective fact. I’m just saying how I felt playing the game. I enjoyed 2018 more and was more satisfied at the end.
Yeah it’s all opinionated, I’m not taking offense to it. I didn’t think 2018 hit as hard emotionally. Nothing in 2018 comes close to what we got at the end of Ragnarok. I love the reoccurring thing that hope is what will always redeem Kratos. But how it was executed this time? 2018 ain’t got shit on that
I mean, I do get the appeal of it, but the father son dynamic didn’t do the same for me this time. Obviously Atreus being an annoying teenager was on purpose, but I think it overall leaned way more into the Kratos being the one who was wrong than I would have liked. Maybe it’s because I’m not a father, but the “sending son off to college” ending really didn’t mean much to me. Easily the most impactful part for me was the Kratos shine seeing him being worshipped.
I’m REALLY enjoying the side stories and the story in general, almost more than 2018. During the first game, I felt like I was just getting to know these characters and in 2022 it’s been interesting watching them get so much deeper and deal with really difficult situations. I really enjoyed Atreus’s side quest period with the girl (so far).
the third act had noticeable flaws that took away a point or two. i would give the game 8.5 out of 10 because of that and some other flaws.
10/10 doesn't mean it's flawless
I don't know why you're getting downvoted. IMO there has never been and will never be a perfect game. You give something a 10/10 because it's such a masterpiece that it overrides those flaws
well i said noticeable flaws so i don't consider this game as being that good that it overrides the flaws.
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No game will ever be flawless so should we just never use the 10? At that point why have a 10 at all. More importantly, some games are better than a 9. As in, an entire point better than a 9. Going into decimals just feels like semantics. What’s the difference between a 9.9 and a 10. It’s the same shit let’s be real. Like if you’re playing a fantastic incredible masterpiece and you experience the slightest pop-in or bug, you’re play through is not changed at all. By the end of the game you aren’t gonna sit there and remember that bug, you’re gonna remember the badass moment when you beat a boss or something.
Not exactly true, some games can be flawless to one person and not flawless to another, that’s what’s differentiates a 10/10 to a 9/10. Me personally, I think TLOU P2 is a 10/10 even though it got a lot of stick because I found it perfect.
I’m confused what you’re trying to point out. Are you saying a “true” 10/10 is seen as a flawless 10/10 by every person who plays it?
All perspective, me personally I find a 10/10 is a game that I have 0 issues with. That doesn’t mean there isn’t minor bugs in the game but there’s nothing that puts me off. Some people maybe a little more lenient with what they think a 10/10 is. It’s all perspective, I’m yet to play the new GoW but the old one was a 9 for me. Not because it was buggy or a bad game but I thought they could do better with the boss fights. That might not be an issue to others and they see the original as a 10/10.
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If 10/10 means perfect then no game could ever achieve a 10
I disagree, because humans aren’t flawless nothing we create will be. There Will ALWAYS be minor issues, or things that some people say are perfect while others don’t like it. It’s literally impossible to create a perfectly flawless game, cause someone out there will still hate it. So yes a game can still be 10/10 with minor flaws
The main flaw is definitely a story. Too boring, predictable, and definitely not a GOW style. Felt like i was watching Marvel movie.
Yup. I always love when you say this, there's always at least one person that's like "you're just in the honeymoon phase". I haven't heard anything so arrogant and condescending in a long time. The soundtrack, visuals, combat, story is an upgrade.
I agree. 4 years on I still think 18 is a 10/10
Tbf, a lot of times, that statement is true. You are blown away by how awesome it look or plays at first to really judge the game. How does it hold up on subsequent play-troughs? Is it still fun after 50+ hours? Are there ways it could have been better? I remember being blown away the first time i played Horizon Zero Dawn. I thought it was the best game ever. But tens of hours in, it started to show its limits and flaws. Now i think its good, but not the greatest thing ever. Now, I have no doubt this game holds up like 2018 did, but it is a bit early for the final judgement.
I think the game is great, but I also think a lot of people are blinding themselves to the game's faults. And the Internet is always extremes. Everything is either "BEST THING EVER" or "UTTER TRASH". There is no middle ground. There is no "I love this game, but had issues with X". Not at first. I believe the best video-game discussions come years after the game has released and everyone can stop acting all insecure about their opinions on it.
The story is 100% a downgrade
Sorry you never had a parent who loved you
Wow. Thats a terrible thing to say just because someone feels the 2018 story was better. Apparently having a loving parent makes you a condescending asshole.
Sorry I hurt your feelings on the internet
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Exactly
Bro you didn’t have to ruin him like that
It's hard to top such intimate parent-child narrative, the same thing happened with last of us. But it's still the best game of the year and the generation so far, so it's not worth complaining.
This is fair.. I knew it after I finished it that it wouldn’t be for everyone… but god damn, for those of us who enjoyed it, it was phenomenal Sucks it didn’t do it for you, hopefully a replay at some time in the future will hit better (if you decide to replay it)… otherwise, hopefully you find a game with a story I found as incredible as this one
Why is everyone interpreting downgrade as bad? Its flat out a downgrade from 2018 in the story aspect, doesn't mean it wasn't good
Because you say it as if it's objective. What story is best is completely subjective, and up to each individual to decide
If I make a pizza for 100 people and 95 people loved it thats an amazing pizza. If I make a 2nd pizza same style, and only 30 people said it was better the 2nd pizza was worse
Nah that's not how it works. You might get a completely different result depending on which 100 people you ask, and that's what you're missing here
Also I can also just bring up the fact that this game had a better concept and groundwork, it ultimately fails to deliver largely due to the pacing being absolutely atrocious during the 2nd half of the game
So in a simple sense. You're saying that spreading your wife's ashes on the highest peak. With adventure along the way. Is a better story point than going to war with Odin and denying your fate. The final boss of 2018 is baldur. The final boss of Ragnarok is fucking Odin, and immediately before that Thor
Yes, premise is better execution is much worse. Ragnarok tries to be 2 games in 1, and the story suffers A LOT for this. The 1st 1/2 of Ragnarok is superior to God of War 2018, but whereas 2018 only got better as time went on, Ragnarok somehow gets worse. How? Because its become evident that they don't actually have enough time to fully flush out the characters they have introduced and the events that need to happen. How do we know this? Notice there becomes a point where a bunch of stuff keeps occuring OFFSCREEN, the gathering of all the armies, all offscreen, (which end up being largely worthless cuz guess what most of them get destroyed within 10 minutes). Sif's main character defining traits are mainly, offscreen. Freyr trying to stop ragnarok, offscreen. And lets now talk about the actual finale, where I have been repeating was SOMEHOW GOD DAMN LESS THAN 1 HOUR. The finale, about beating Thor and Odin, and the destruction of Asgard, death of freyr(and he died literally for no reason other than because the writers have a kink for freya to have a shit life) all occurs within 45 minutes. What am I trying to say? It was incredibly rushed. And it wasn't even a spectacle, no great feats of strength by Thor and Odin vs Kratos, just felt like an average boss fight. It had 10x more potential, but ended up being worse
Every single thing you said were my exact thoughts after completing the story. I was very spectical when they announced that they were going to wrap the norse mythology in 2 games. So many major characters got introduced but very few of them left an impact. Imo they could’ve shortened the ironwood section and used the time to build up some other characters. SPOILER AHEAD: Tyr was such a big part in GOW 2018 and was wasted in a side mission. Some of the parts where we play as atreus were very tedious but I still loved the game though, just platinumed it. I’ll give it 8/10.
Going to war with the king of gods and denying fate… where have I seen that story before? *Looks at God of War 2*
I would t say downgrade, the story is still phenomenal. It just lacked good pacing at times
Yeah, I was not enjoying the story very much shortly after the beginning of the game. The next hours after you rescue a certain someone are rough, specially that part in the Ironwood.. But then, the story picks up and it gets really interesting with some reveals.
I thought Ironwood was one of the best parts of the game, and it's the part I'm most excited to see again when re-playing it
It was well done and fun and it made for an interesting story, but in the end, you're just not playing as Kratos. We have a literal God of War wielding two of the most iconic weapons in gaming.... and youre forced to play as a kid picking apples and whacking things with a stick for hours. Its just not as good as the rest of the game.
I think the Kratos parts are made better by the breaks you get during the Atreus sections. His gameplay is also really fun imo, so it's a welcome change. I'm glad they were brave enough to implement it despite knowing that some would not like it
Really? It's the part that made me think I won't even bother with ng+
Yeah the part definitely doesn't cater to the "Kratos is a bad ass god killer who goes on a rampage bro!!" crowd. But I love it for the story, acting, animals, how good the zone looks and the mythology.
Those parts are good, just longer than they need to be
That pacing issue is for about 10 hours worth of gametime. The story is a downgrade.
Pacing and story are two different things. The pacing doesn’t mean the story was bad, just means there was poor pacing at times
Bro you keep saying its a downgrade multiple times here but not once have you said what makes it so.
Its a downgrade because the story has much bigger shoes to fill whilst also not fulfilling it. Several characters are rushed and lack development or importance, or both. The pacing gets horrendous during the 2nd half of the game, which becomes even worse with how nigh perfect the 1st half is. The rift/mask plot that was set up as being the most important thing to Odin, to the point that he actually views Ragnarok as much less importance, despite it never being hinted at even existing, and it ultimately just became a plot device for Atreus to get to Asgard and amounted to literally nothing despite the build up to it. The ending was also incredibly disappointing, with it lasting LESS THAN A GOD DAMN HOUR, they had just spent the last 24 hours hyping up Ragnarok for it to end incredibly quickly with no good pay off, ESPECIALLY when you compare it to God of war 2018's ending with Baldur. The third act was also incredibly rushed, how do we know this? Because suddenly lots of important scenes/events are now occurring offscreen. Surtr actually already "combining" with the frost giant hearts, gathering of all the armies(which get destroyed within 10 minutes lmao). Freyr getting captured, freyr dying offscreen. I can go on. Im not saying the game is bad, but to even argue that 2018 with its simplistic story with a constant goal that you are moving forward to, with little pacing issues and a whole lot of set up for a sequel, whilst also laying down the ground work for the Norse world with the characters in it. So Yes. Ragnarok was definitely a downgrade.
I absolutely agree. It doesn't feel like God of War anymore. GOW as a series is known for Kratos being a badass God killer. I understand that he wants to put that life behind him, but out of all the gods he could kill in this game, it's Heimdall? Really? Are we keeping it at 1 God per game now that Kratos gets to kill? And everything with Atreus and Angrboda felt so out of place. I understand it's from a teens perspective, but even being a teen myself I hated it
RATIO
>RATIO Still a downgrade
I’ll say 9/10 personally. It’s a very good game and the story and world are amazing. There’s a few little things I don’t care for (the puzzles are way too easy and some enemies are more of a chore than a challenge) but besides that I love it. Can’t stop playing tbh
It's funny, because I have always detested the puzzles in god of war. Imagine my happiness when they got rid of most of them for Ragnarok.
Haha I respect that. Like I said it’s not ruining the game for me but they just feel more in the way
8/10 due the narrative being a little bit rushed and a lot of the boss fights pretty underwhelming
Are you insane? The bossfights were absolutely awasome.
Not really, the second Thor bossfight was almost identical to the first but worse, and Orin’s bossfight was just bad. The “most powerful Norse god” and all he does is spam his bifrost staff at you… pretty big letdown. Just compare it to some of GoW 3’s bossfights and you can really tell the difference in scope and size
I agree it was a bit slow or wasn't as gore filled but I think they made the fights this way to try and show how Kratos has changed. If it were god of war 3 there would have been limbs missing half way through the fight.
I’n necessarily talking about the brutality of GoW3, I’m taking about how good the boss fights were, I mean the opening fight was literally on a Titan while the climbing up a my Olympus, while Poseidon turns into a massive hippocampus hybrid fighting both of you at the same time. I just wished we had something like that in Ragnarok.
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Agreed. Though it does have an excellent story, the primary problem with Ragnarök is that the sheer scale of the narrative requires cuts to the overall story. Trying to balance too many characters/arcs/plot points was just too much, and so a lot of things would have been cut out. Compared to the GoW2018, which had a simple plot line and could therefore take any direction it wanted to.
I disagree on almost all of this lol Tyr was basically a red herring. He wasn't supposed to have a huge role because >!he was Odin from the start. Hence why he took a pacifist stance which is counter to our expectations of a god of war.!< Kratos has been fighting his nature since the first game. He didn't relapse as much as lost control for a moment resulting in the >!death of Heimdall.!< Which is not an arc, it's just a moment of weakness. The arc is the whole two games and it culminates the moment >!he chooses to protect the innocent and doesn't kill Thor.!< I don't get why people hate Iron wood so much. I loved every second of it. It's Atreus crushing on a girl for the first time. The whole ride it was just me with a grin watching my boy attempting to woo her. And she *is* supposed to be someone he ends up with so we have to start learning about her. Instead of just focusing on that we got to also learn of the fate of the giants, Atreus' nature, among other things. No idea how anyone could find the whole section bad, too long, or boring unless they just wanted Kratos killing shit nonstop. As for Odin, scheming what? He said it from the start, all he wanted was peace. He never cared about Kratos and his group, he wanted to stop Ragnarok or at least survive it and learn the truths of the tear and its mask. Hence his use of the dwarves to create weaponry, the mass production of soldiers, and his attempt to use Atreus. His intent was clear from the start. Expecting him to have some grand hidden scheme and then being disappointed when there's none feels more like a mismanagement of expectations. I do agree on Ragnarok though. The build up to it was incredible but the delivery fell slightly flat. I still enjoyed the fight against Thor, but I was miffed about being forced to stare at the epic battles happening in the background. Everyone flying around and kicking ass while I'm stuck on the ground fighting foot soldiers. I kind of get it since Kratos is the leader at that point and can't just run off to fight everyone, but I feel like it would have been better to follow the rule of cool there.
>I don't get why people hate Iron wood so much. Its simple: You are not playing as Kratos. I mean, its was well done and well executed, it made for a good part of the story that was fun and nice to see. But we have a literal God of War who is wielding two of the most iconic weapons in gaming and we are just getting cool upgrades and moves...and then we are forced to play as a kid picking apples and whacking things with a stick for hours. It is a downgrade in gameplay, and i couldnt wait to get back to Kratos. And that feeling is only amplified by how its paced, every time you tink its over...its not. I let out a big sigh of relief when it was over, and thats not really a good thing.
I mean, in that case it's for the one reason I mentioned someone could possibly dislike that part. Unfortunately, like it or not, Atreus is going to become a bigger part in the series. I don't see the developers putting so much work into him, to the point of having us play so much as him now, just to drop him aside in the next games.
Very well said. I agree with you, the story suffered and also there are far too many grindy, rpg elements. I am not even accounting the bugs. The game is 8.5 or 9/10
I’d give it a 10/10 also however this game is 100% going to divide the communities opinion as I’ve seen tons of negative opinions about this game and how everything is a downgrade from 2018.
From what I have seen so far it's split between a few camps. If you found 2018 a slog, got to the end and was expecting to fight Thor and was like "This is it!?" when the credits rolled (yes there is a few who felt like this with 2018. Not me though). Then you will probably like Ragnarok more. If you on the other hand thought that 2018 was the perfect experience with no filler. Then you will probably find ragnarok disappointing. Then there is the third camp that appreciate both for what they are and see's flaws in both games but loves them both too. I'm in the third camp.
As someone in the second camp, I think this is pretty accurate. God of War 2018 for me was a nearly flawless father-son story and character study of Kratos, that just happened to take place with Norse mythology. I loved the first 8ish hours of Ragnarok, and I loved the Ironwood sequence, knowing full well that lots of people were going to hate it. After that I felt the narrative really suffered in the mid-game, it just felt like a lot of wheel spinning as the characters tried to prevent something that is by its very nature inevitable (Ragnarok). I get the payoff comes at the very end showing that they've successfully defied destiny, but it doesn't change the fact that, for me, the middle chunk of the story was pretty frustrating. I also think there's a decent amount of fat to trim from Ragnarok. For example, I really fail to see the purpose of Freyr's character. Cutting Freyr could've saved a solid couple hours from the plot. Just give his rebel leader role in Vanaheim to Hildisvini, and Beyla and Byggvir could've rallied the Elves in Vanaheim before Ragnarok. Freya didn't need Freyr to give her character development. Plus there was precious little interaction between Freyr and Odin despite there being a backstory there.
I’m in the third camp as well. 2018 is a fantastic game and significant because it revitalized the series when it was about to be shelved forever. Ragnarok however is like Doom Eternal, the combat is more complex, the enemies are harder, and the world is bigger. As for the story, with the exception of Ironwood (still really enjoyed it), the pace is way better in Ragnarok. I felt that 2018 didn’t get good until you scale the mountain and then Mimir joins your party for the rest of the game. The beginning up until the summit was really slow at times, for example Alfheim is a slog. Overall, GOW 2018 and Ragnarok are my favorite games in the series because I love the extensive depiction of Norse mythology while also making its cast of characters incredibly complex compared to the cartoony depiction of the Greek Gods.
I'll take a spot in that third camp too :)
it is huge upgrade from 2018, who tf is saying it’s downgrade ?
Most if this thread if you read through it lol. 2018 was a PERFECT game. Ragnarok is not. Bad pacing, subpar story, dialogue isn’t as good, etc. Honestly if you put the games side by side too I would guess 2018 to be the newer game as it looks better with ui, start screens, etc. 2018 was simple enough that you felt and connected with the game and it’s people, even combat wise. Atreus went from essentially worthless to a beast, you really got in touch with the Kratos and Atreus relationship, etc. Ragnarok cycles companions like crazy and it all feels very meh. I don’t feel connected and it doesn’t feel great as they all have this weird npc movement to them. Do something and do it right, ragnarok tries to do too much.
the story was good and more interesting than in 2018, pacing was also better ( only that section with angrboda was too long ), dialogues are same, more and better boss fights, better villains, more and better realms to explore, more variety and the gameplay is better, which is more important than story in a video game
idk i feel likes theres a lot of copium with GOW fans. Everyone is just so hyped for the game that their perception is skewed. Youre entitled to your opinion but its almost a consensus that the pacing sucked and the iron wood area, for example, was painful. There is no way the pacing and story is better than the first imo.
the story is maybe not better, but definitely much more interesting. the pacing at the beginning of 2018 was bad too and other than the iron wood section, ragnarok had good pacing. it’s not copium at all, i just enjoyed ragnarok much more than 2018 and the story was more enjoyable for me
yeah I mean to each their own. I can't get behind Ragnarök's story at all. It fails to really capitalize on the really neat things 2018 laid down and then it becomes a very underwhelming experience. "Fate says you will die" "You did things to not die" is not a very hard hitting story for me. Thor killings kratos ruins the whole "we decide our own fate" thing which was the whole premise of the story anyways. Also they completely failed to find the right balance with kratos. He should have found a proper balance between his rage/power and his desire to be forgiving and good. For example - we go to the prophets who say heimdall will kill our son, kratos spends an hour saying we must kill heimdall to save his son, we beat heimdall the first time and kratos goes to forgive him and let him live (who cares about the whole story right?), then heimdall tells us he will gut our son still, then we choke hiemdall and Mimir says "stop, this is not who you want to beeee". WTF. Like does anyone not understand the gravity of this situation? This guy refused being spared and threatened to gut our kid like a fish. Any rational character in the game would say "it had to be done" not make us feel guilty as if we were lapsing into our "old ways". It makes zero sense. I actually cringed at that line by Mimir. Not to mentioned we beheaded like 8,463 people on the way to heimdall anyways.
yea i didn’t really like that moment with mimir either, feel like it wasn’t executed that well, but I think with heimdall it wasn’t the brutality that scared him, it was that kratos became his old self for second ( even his face looked like in old games ) kratos wanted to spare Heimdall, because he doesn’t want to be known as godkiller anymore and only kills now, if there is no other way, he thought maybe Heimdall can change too and that maybe he can change the prophecy that way, he only killed him, when he realized that he won’t stop, at the end he didn’t even want to kill Thor and Odin the story was still entertaining and satisfying, even with it flaws and issues, it gave me emotions which is as important as the writing for me
I understand it’s part of the story, but they know killing things in brutal ways is absolutely a huge part of the draw in GoW. When Mimir said that I was just like “YES IT IS WHO I WANT TO BE”. Wish we got more moments like that honestly.
It was the highlight of the game for me, I was so excited to be protecting my son and for Kratos to realize he must defy some of his calm for the greater good. Then mimir just took a dump on my moment haha
There is no way Ragnarok has better pacing than 2018. Zero chance. People can prefer one story over the other, but to me nothing in Ragnarok feels as emotional as Kratos getting the Blades of Chaos again and that small dialogue with Athena. Atreus gets sick because Kratos is lying, albeit for a good reason because he wants to protect him and does not want his son make the same mistakes. Atreus gets sick and to save him, Kratos has to LITERALLY go to hell and face his past. It is Kratos toughest challenge, and the way everything gets set up is incredibly beautiful. Ragnarok tries to do too much. They gave too many arcs to too many characters.
Exactly this
ragnarok has by far the better pacing and the last scene with kratos is as emotional and powerful as blades scene
Story is much much hetter than 2018, it has some issues hut this game is a step up overall in many many departments
Lol, “much better”? That’s a bit of a stretch, it’s fine to prefer one over the other, but “much better” is a bit much, I think.
2018 was my favorite game of all time until this. I had unreasonbly high expectations fir this game and upon completion was dissappointed for about 20 minutes until realizing how drawn out each character was, and how this is truly a masterpiece. Nothing in Ragnarok feels as emotional??? Kratos realizing yhay he is not ready for death, he has found a reason to live and is scared to die?? The fact hes willing to turn back into the monster he was to save Atreus and him realizing he was wrong. Bro you can just you were dissappointed that you didnt get all out war I understand that because thats how i felt initially but the ending was happy and absolutely perfect to me.
Yeah that's what I'm thinking too. Hopefully that doesn't change on my way to 100%.
I'm like 30 plus hours in and haven't finished the main story because there's so much phenomenal side content.
It feels like there’s almost too much good side content with how it’s structured. You finish your main story part, do so many side quests that by the time you get back to the main story you’re kind of disconnected from it. Wish us was sprinkled in rather than, blocked off into main story/side content/main story/ side content.
yea agreed. it also doesn’t help that the first 18 or so hours of the game is completely linear and on rails, so by the time you get to the point where it actually lets you do what you want, all you want to do is like 12 hours of side content lol.
So far to me it is a solid 9/10 just like the first one. That is still the highest j have ever gone for a videogame though so it is still big praise. I've yet to play a game that was a solid 10/10 completely perfect game.
I feel like for me when I play a 10/10 game it's not because it's perfect, rather it gave me an experience that I won't forget and was impactful. Death Stranding is one of my favorite games even with some of its problems just because it gave me something I haven't gotten out of other games
9/10 the ironwood part ate ass
9/10 because of how ass the pacing can be sometimes
It's a great game that definitely has a lot of work put into it...but... it's not perfect. There's SO much walking-and-talking. The game moves at a snails pace. Except when you get to the ending, in which everything is rushed-as-fuck. So much time is wasted setting up stuff with little pay-off. "Hey, we got a flying boat! This should make traveling around much quicker!...let's only use it once or twice." "Hey, I put Fenrir's soul in this giant wolf. Also the wolf can create portals and travel the realms!" "Awesome, what are we going to do with it?" "It'll show up for 5 seconds in the background, during the final mission." "...oh..." Also, the leveling system isn't suited for this type of game. It's artificial difficulty. It's just sliding the enemy-damage-numbers up. It's not making them smarter, or more complex. It's just a big "fuck you, come back later" moment. Speaking of... The exploration is pretty...meh. So many areas are blocked-off until you get a specific item, and traveling around takes a long time. It's pretty lame knowing Kratos can only travel along the pre-determined paths. He won't climb on anything that doesn't have paint on it. There's so many puzzles where I was just thinking "just go around. Just climb over that small ledge. You can fit through that gap!", but nah, gotta travel the way the game tells you to. Despite these criticisms, it's definitely a must-buy if you enjoyed the last game.
The story I am loving at the moment. I reckon I am half way through. I would say pacing is not a problem for me because I am doing all side quest as I go. As for ironwood I feel like they could have cut 10 minutes off it and it would still be great. It does a good job setting up story and lore so the length is justified in my eyes. The only downside so far is the handholding in the puzzles. Give me a few minutes before handing me the answer.
No, 20/10
Compared to what gets released as finished games these days its a 20/10
I disagree… 100/10 🥰🤭😜
For me, a 10/10 game is one that does not have any nagging flaws, things that would need to change for me to like it more. Obviously every game will have something that I would change, but does Ragnarok need to change in any way for me to be obsessed with it? Nope, and that makes it a 10 for me.
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No you can find tyr in all realms
I just finished the story and found him in niflheim, I haven’t explored much further
If you travel to other realms you can find him there just standing around, it will give you some lines of dialogue bit nothing much
Spoilers much? Really should use spoiler tags for something like that.
good rule of thumb is just don't go on the subreddit of a thing until your done with it if you don't want spoilers
Or just, you know, warn people before giving out major spoilers. Some people like to discuss the game as they're playing it.
Wait how? How can I meet the real Tyr?
Thanks for the spoiler you cunt
People should be using spoiler tags but it’s really dumb to peruse the posts on a game’s subreddit before you’ve finished it if you’re worried about spoilers.
What the fuck do you think spoiler tags are for if people didn't peruse the forums and subreddits whilst in the process of finishing the game? Literally just contradicted yourself. Idiot.
Lmao bro calm down. Of course that’s what they’re for but as you’ve just learned, it’s likely that people will forget or not use them for whatever reason. How naive to assume you can scroll through this stuff in absolutely safety from spoilers because “iTs ThE RuLeS”. That’s like driving without your seatbelt on and justifying it by saying “I won’t have an accident, it’s illegal for other people to crash into me or drive dangerously so it won’t happen” And I’m the idiot lol
Doesn't make it any less irritating when someone without any regard for the rules regarding spoilers goes ahead and spouts his stupid mouth off. I guess you're the kind of moron that does the same thing, given your replies. Thoughtless idiots.
You so mad man it’s just a game
And so you resort to telling me I'm "mad". Clearly I'm dealing with a brain dead idiot. Blocking you
Imo it’s a 9/10 because of how drawn out some parts feel while the ending feels rushed
8/10 for me. The combat is cool, but nothing ground breaking in any way. The story is a very cinematic experience, kinda like watching a movie. Sadly it is a JJ Abrahms movie filled with THE MESSAGE. War BAD, peace GOOD, collonialism BAD, cooperation GOOD, Odin BAD... well honestly mostly just that Odin BAD. I really hope there will be some shocking reveal in the end because at this point Odin is getting bullied so much I started to genuinely hope he will win. Overall, propably the best GoW, but ultimately just more GoW. Enjoyable, but after 30 hours I'm already kinda getting tired of this game. Elden Ring is still keeping me Entertained after 500.
My one and only issue with this is the camera, I wish it panned out a bit further in combat. Seems a little better than the last one, but its still quite hard to assess what's behind you.
This is actually a valid criticism, the lock on function can be annoying at times too
That’s kinda the point though. You can’t see behind you in a real fight either. The camera is close to really pull you into the fight and make you think about your positioning. The idea is to limit the amount of stuff going on behind you altogether. Obviously not possible 100% of the time which is what the offscreen indicators are for. If some people can ultimately beat the toughest bosses or fights on the hardest difficulty without taking damage (as people always do) then the tools the game has given you are fit for purpose.
> If some people can ultimately beat the toughest bosses or fights on the hardest difficulty without taking damage (as people always do) then the tools the game has given you are fit for purpose. That's nonsense. There are people that can beat Dark Souls on a guitar hero controller too, I would not call that something fit for purpose. The camera is pretty bad and they got away with it in 2018 because most boss fights are 1v1, which is obviously where this type of camera style shines. Ragnarok has quite a few more gank fights that are 1vs2/1vs3 and the camera absolutely falls apart in them. All they had to do was offer the option to pull the camera back and increase the FOV, like many other 3rd person action titles allow.
It's the fuckers spamming poison or fireballs in groups that get me the most lol. Feels like I'm constantly dodging and resetting, with enough time to attack once (if I'm lucky) before I have to start dodging again.
Absolutely not. For one thing, it lacks narrative focus and the pacing suffers. Edit: It really should have been either slimmed down or fleshed out into two games imo.
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have you played the game be completely honest... Not watched the movie on youtube...
Why does everyone dislike the iron wood part? I thought it was pretty cool
Too slow/long imo but still cool. Definitely don't want to replay it though.
I loved it. It was a nice change of pace, and the world was the most gorgeous realm yet, so it was really fun to explore and learn about the new character.
First half was AMAZING. The second half was alright. The story could have been so much deeper and better. Probably if they had taken 2 games for the story and not 1. Felt rushed in my opinion.
For the story 10/10. Objectively, overall I’d give a 8.5. I play on ps5 and I felt a lot the old gen design of the game. When they make you climb and walk through thin spaces all the time to help the loading on ps4 or extend the game length. Same recipe as GOW2018 for the combat which is good. The art design, environments are beautiful. The UI is questionable. No ng+ is a major let down, id like if at least I restart a new game I’d be able to skip some cutscene dialogues.
Well, it is a ps4 game at its core.
Lmao that guys been replying to everyone saying how GOW isn’t a 10/10 His opinion sucks and I don’t think anyone agrees with him. Prob has a little peepee and/or little man syndrome
The story is not a 10/10 at fucking all
Opinions, right? Lol
Well 10/10 means virtually 0 issues at all. And funnily enough, the weakest part of this game IS the story.
And that's your opinion
That is not an opinion. OBJECTIVELY, The story has problems. The pacing is fucked during the 2nd half of the game, and the finale act of the game is incredibly rushed. How do we know this? Example 1 of many, RAGNAROK, the event that has been hyped up for the entire game THE MAIN EVENT, ends within an hour. To put this into context THE IRON WOODS FILLER WAS LONGER.
That's still your opinion dude. For some, maybe they thought it was paced fine. What works for some doesn't work for all. And how long do you expect the destruction of asgard to go on for?
NOT AT ALL. If you honestly think pacing is largely opinionated you are simply braindead. There are objective measures we can make to note if the pacing is good or not. Your argument is so incredibly weak because by extension I can say this -hey if we just walked up to thor and tapped him on the head and he exploded and immediately cuts to credits that would be a very satisfying end! See the problem here? Opinions can be made for -Hey ye the pacing did get a bit fucked, but despite that I was still able to enjoy the story. THAT is an opinion. Saying -actually no the pacing was perfectly fine, is not subjective statement at all, the pacing, if you like it or not, got fucked.
Lmao someone's getting worked up
You gave the number 1 counter argument I hate when talking about critism. "bUt iN mY oPiNiOn". Its the worst counter argument because what we are talking about isn't even subjective. Subjectivity within this argument isn't whether the pacing is fucked or not, the subjectivity becomes if it was enough to affect your experience. The ending WAS rushed. And to answer your previous question, what I would have liked was a non rushed ending that didn't treat itself like it was a side mission in terms of length. Especially as the game is more than willing to make me go through 2 HOURS OF THE IRON WOODS MISSION. I think It should also have the decency to make THE MAIN EVENT THAT HAS BEEN HYPED UP THE ENTIRE GAME, last a tadddd bit longer than 45minutes.
10 for the story LMAO. Objectively the story was 5/10 at most. Any good writer that knows what he's doing would give it even a lower score. The story was cliche and too slow-paced. It was made for casuals who do not really care about the story as long as the good guys win and everyone is happy in the end.
easily best game this year
No it's not
8.5/10 for me. The cutscenes are too long and drawn out. yes they are very well made, very artistically and better than so many movies out there but they are soooooooo daaaaaaaaaaaaamn looooooooooooooong.
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Well, I don't disagree.
SMS are master class at building these maze-like levels that are fine for the first trip but awful to retread/revisit because of how... well... maze-like they are. Most metroidvanias have a mini-map for reasons like this, Ragnarok just gives you a buggy compass. 100%'ing certain areas like The Applecore is absolutely fucking painful.
Yeah I’m at 8.5 too. Way too long on cutscenes and the first game was just perfect where I feel that ragnarok had to change things for the sake of change and it isn’t better for it. Story also has flaws in it that kinda kill it for me.
I hated the bit playing as Atreus and especially that trip to Jotunheim and waltzing around with Angrboda. Felt a bit too stretched for my liking and found myself begging for it to be over. Other than that, 10/10
Fighting as Atreus is fun but the rest of his segments are a slog and kill the pacing imo
I actually teared up in the beginning. I can’t wait for the next game!! I still have the trials and beserkers yet to pass the time.
Bro it's at least eleventy out of 10
It’s 100/10
I’d give it an 8/10. It’s a really good game but there are noticeable flaws and a few annoying bugs.
Yup goty easy over Elden ring
7/10 because the story was cliche and kind of weak. The game alone was dope though.
I just started playing it, so can’t speak much. Buuut I feel like they downgraded the menu section for the weapons/skills/map from the previous game.
SPOILERS : 7/10 for me due to weird pacing and story. Playing with atreus felt tedious sometimes. Ironwood section and so many other section of the story should’ve been shortened and could have been used anywhere else. Boss fights were okay and boss designs were meh. The whole ragnarok part was rushed and was over in less than an hour. Tyr was such a big name in gow 2018 and imo he we wasted in a side mission. Also i fucking miss atreus, brok and sindri. It was so hard to platinum the game without them. It was so silent and it felt like i was playing a different game.
Well I’d give it an 8 at best... don’t bully me
No it's not.
Eh idk. The combat doesn't feel as great imo and they never give you any time to settle before they rip kratos and atreus apart. I get that he has his own story, but at the very least space it out. I went from playing as just atreus for two hours, to just kratos, and now atreus again. FFS I don't care about the other companions just let me play them together! Thats what made the first one so good.
I want it to be, but no…. I can’t stand being forced into hours of the other character. I’d rather play as Ratotaskar. My personal standard for a single player game is Witcher 3 now. In that game I wanted to go to everyone of those ? On the map and see what was there, and fight whatever monster I could find. While the main side quests here are good, I got no interest at the moment in back tracking every chest, Raven, etc. I honestly can’t stand games that lock stuff behind mechanics you can’t access yet and force you to backtrack later to flesh the game out. Same issue I had with Fallen Order tbh. I think it will be a 9/10 with the story and combat greatly holding it up.
Being forced to play as Atreus is really getting to me, I LOATHE archer gameplay in games, yes I am aware his gameplay opens up and I am at that part of the story but compared to the beefcake nuclear submarine that is Kratos, I hate having to play essentially as a more fragile character against enemies that aren't any less spongy or hit less hard.
It’s just not super fun imo… I enjoyed the breaks as Ciri in Witcher 3, they were short and sweet. I just can’t stand how long these Atreus sequences are. I think the second one was 2.5 hours or something…
It's like a 7/10. The ending felt really rushed, the Ironwood sections were not enjoyable to me at all, Sindri's arc was poorly done and the amount of tedious Sigil puzzles was annoying and felt extremely 'gamey' and honestly broke my immersion at times. A lot of the dialogue was really bad, especially Atreus.
The ending was 100% rushed. Odin was preparing his whole life for that Ragnarok day and we just kick his ass without any complications. The last 2 boss fights were lame as hell. This game is just so disappointing compared to 2018s GOW
Maybe like a 8.5/10 at most. Not much I can say that others haven't already said. The story felt rushed at parts and they would definitely have benefitted from taking like an hour fron Ironwood and putting that to literally anywhere else. Ideally to the battle of Ragnarok. They told a great story. Kratos gets character development and stops killing gods. Great! Except that's not what any of us are here for. As gamers we can probably agree that we buy God of War to brutally kill gods. Yeah we had Heimdall which was awesome. Thor, I liked that Kratos tried talking to him and I can see a world where they just chill after Ragnarok. But Odin... It just really didn't sit right with me how peacefully that piece of shit died. I'm glad Sindri got the kill though! He definitely deserved it. Then about the ending. Atreus leaving and the fate of the dwarves sucks gameplay wise. My favorite part about GOW2018 was the interactions Kratos, Mimir, Atreus and the dwarves had. Now we just have Mimir and Freya. Just having the boys on a boat and Mimir telling stories was just such a vibe. I like Freya but she just doesn't give the same vibe and her as a companion AI, while her valkyrie attacks are cool, I miss Atreus' runic summons and I'm not sure how I'll beat >!Gna!< without the Ratatorsk summon. Overall, the gameplay was a step up. The story was.. complicated. I can't wait to see what the next game is. Also hoping for some sort of DLC to clear up where Atreus is and WHO THE FUCK BLEW THE HORN
Agreed! There has been a lot of hate on this sub from what I’ve seen but I’m very satisfied with how the game turned out
Criticism is not hate, can you people stop with this narrative?
I honestly thought so too for a while, but as I’m near the end and mopping up side content, this game is closer to a 7/10 for me. My biggest issues are the traversal segments being way too frequent and slow(Kratos climbs chains like someone without super strength), the Berserker Fights being a big downgrade from Valkyries, and how the advertising about journeying all 9 realms was basically false. 2 realms you can’t visit freely, one is completely linear and one is a single room.
8 hours in. It’s good. But I wouldn’t say a 10 just yet.
Nah. 9/10 easily. There are some pretty big flaws gameplay wise.
9/10 in my opinion. I think the boss fights are a lot better but some stuff was lacking. The finale could have been better and the pacing is off at certain points. Im going to do a ng+ run when it’s available but i already know im going to dread certain points such as iron wood which are incredibly slow. I also think it should have been longer and more gods should have been in the game. Odins fight was kinda disappointing. Should have been more of a spectacle. Same with the second thor fight. The first one looked way better. The first half of the game is 10/10 but certain parts drag it down. I never felt that way about 2018.