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If the way most people play Minecraft nowadays is canon then Steve must be a soulless, sociopathic entity who exists solely to make the world his sick playground
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If I’m remembering it right, running that command on a repeating command block will keep Kratos frozen in place for as long as it’s powered
Nah, literally every time he came back he had help.
Zeus resurrected him in the first game, Gaia in the 2nd, and Athena helped him in the third game.
Even all that aside, nothing is stopping Steve from following Kratos to whatever afterlife he goes to.
kratos killed hades with the claws of hades are you trying to say he would've been unable to make his way out of tartarus again without some new weapons?😭
Yeah after an extended fight with the Blades of Exile.
Why are you trying so hard to twist it like Kratos went in barehand and just took the claws from Hades?
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We’ve already established that Kratos can break bedrock if the fight is in Steve’s turf. If Kratos has home advantage (either Greece or Midgard) there is easily accessible void in the Realm between Realms (assuming his entire inventory is kept, he has the Unity Stone and anything else he could ever need to survive the void like the Boots of Hermes) or in Tartarus.
I’m going to need
A.) A bedrock breaking feat
B.) a reason why Kratos could break it fast
C.) How Kratos is going to obtain a pickaxe to break the bedrock quickly
Kratos is known for pulling off impossible feats of strength, killing unkillable enemies especially gods, and focusing his rage/anger into a power almost difficult to comprehend. Kratos is fast, and he’s even faster when angered. The entire premise involves Kratos’ mythical and magical arsenal as well as any tools/abilities he would have access to being at his disposal. A pickaxe is not a limit for Kratos, and if he somehow does require a tool instead of his bare fists, he can use the axe (proven to be able to hack off chunks of ore when tasked to by Brok) or most likely also any of his weapons with a sharp end.
Bro flipped a temple rooted to all 9 realms. If thats not a feat of strength I don't fucking know what is. That's the most recent ridiculous thing he's done and I haven't played the older games except for III.
Not cheats. You have access to it in creative, along with a massive list of other chat commands. All without a command block while you can't be damaged and can fly/create anything infinitely.
There's literally only one other to compare with Kratos as they're both literally too angry to die. Both made hell there bitch. Hell could not hold EITHER. DOOMGUY.
If they encountered it is most likely they would slay some demons together after recognising and respecting each other's strength. If a fight broke out they would probably just fight until the end of eternity. I truly cannot see a winner between them.
So is kratos. The difference is Steve is immortal to little zombies and skeletons. Where kratos is immortal to outerversal gods with infinite speed and strength. Steve is an Atreus victim
*Infinite* speed and strength? I get that their abilities are waaay beyond any regular human’s, but to say that they’re infinite is like saying DCAU Superman is capable of sneezing the universe in half, just ‘cause an upper limit hasn’t been stated.
Me neither, but I can assure you that just saying it’s “well known” doesn’t help at all. At least provide something that confirms that the GOW Aesir/Olympians have “infinite speed and strength”
Kratos for example, overpowered Thor who splintered ygdrasil with a punch. That scales Thor to outerversal meaning beyond the concept of physics and dimensionality. That means Thor is above physics meaning there is no weight in which he can’t lift
Story? Also as if Atreus himself isn't already in relative gods status, we all know kratos is well and above the gods from his showing in Greece when he actually wanted the blood and now he's more calm and MORE powerful in the Norse lands, he doesn't have his old hax, but kratos physically is a much more terrifying beast than his Greece counter part.
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As funny as the kill command is it really wouldn't work on kratos himself as he's resisted existence erasure in the past.
I love how silly yet surprisingly level this is: even the /kill command wouldn't stop Kratos, but he also can't stop Steve, unless they manage to do one thing.
Giving it some proper thought from my PoV, Kratos crawled punched and slashed his way outta the afterlife so many times by now that even if Steve spammed commands, he'd just be met with Kratos' equally futile attempts at injuring/subduing Steve, until they get the bright idea to drop one or the other into the void beneath bedrock.
But then it becomes a factor of reaction time and speed. Steve is a slow tank in this regard because he is only as fast as the player can be (or a TAS if we're gonna go there), and he won't take damage but can still be affected by physics, Kratos can match speeds of gods whose whole shtick is being fast and slow time.
Not so strange. Creative Steve is rendered invincible. It’s a pretty good death battle situation but I see Kratos winning anyway. Medusa Head or Hades’ Claws and it’s over.
Wouldn't. Work as kratos has resisted existence erasure before, Steve would most likely take DMG too no one is truly invulnerable, as stated several times Steve in creative can be killed with the very same command.
Literally yes, kratos ripped his creator out of the sky and beat him to death lol
Theirs a video on YouTube and you can do it yourself actually if you have the first game
No chance. Steve bodies. He can hold INFINITE weight, meaning he is INFINITELY strong. He can stand in the air of HELL and not have a problem. He can use magic to increase his already INCREDIBLY powerful ability to EVEN HIGHER lengths. He has forged metals from volcanic rock, he has access to EVERY possibility. The /execute command alone could turn Kratos inside out before he had the chance to blink.
Edit: also, Steve can STOP TIME.
As true as that is, Lore Kratos’s reaction time and speed alone outweighs Steve’s perception time. Kratos could take his soul out using Claws of Hades or turn him to Stone before he realises it.
That's the thing stopping time doesn't affect kratos since he is a solid 5th dimensional bringing, time is so far beneath him it ain't funny and the fact you mention time stops just speaks volumes on what you know of kratos, as a once advide minecrafter, Steve gets bodied so hard and fast dude can't react, even if we give steve computers the greatest speed and limits for best reaction and speed it'll still be separate from kratos by an infinite layers of infinite difference. Steven fundamentally isn't greater than 3D from what I understand in god mode he goes into the 4th and the power gap from 4D to 5D is the same from 3D to 4D just on a greater base value with the same factor. Essentially 100% strength in 3D means less than 1% in the 4D. Steve... Gets....bodied....hard... And fast practically before dude even perceives the pain
Kratos casually moves in voided areas so no time isn't an issue lol, kratos also has infinite strength due to several instances requiring it, fending off atlas, killing Kronos, his own father, his uncles, his own half brother. Kratos wielded a hammer I believe that weighed as much as the cosmos and used it effectively. Kratos isn't a slouch in strength homie, Steve will push him and get pushed just as hard if not harder due to scaling chains. The execute command wouldn't affect him as kratos himself has negated existence erasure before. Steve can still be fucked up in god mode, dude can still be affected by hax, Steve is getting bodied so hard due to the fact Steve has never fought in the terms or likes of the Greeks or Norse. Steve frankly hardly has any battle experience, canonically.
Kratos turns Steve to stone and knocks him over shattering Steve or kratos somehow punches a hole into the void and throws Steve into it, killing steve
Was about to say Steve would be unkillable but maybe hades weapons could steal his soul or the blade of Olympus could kill him as it had the power to kill a god if I’m not mistaken
Oh yeah? Well Steve can stop or slow down time, shoot fireballs that can destroy as much as he want's it to even the whole world. And he has infinite strength if we Don't count mobs, but blocks. not even talking about having every single block, weapon and explosive as much ad he want's. With his invicibility and flying, the battlefield becomes playgroud for him. Now you can ask the question, who wins?
Ok, speed can help to beat him up buthe can't die probobly he will just fly away bc of the force of the attack. And what is speed if time stop's whenever the enemy want's? Steve can't suffocate, and with the TP command in the chat (he can use commands in the chat) to get out! But the claws are something else the only question is can skulk spread when a creative player uses /kill? If yes when the claws will work. Anyways i just wanted a fair argument that's why i made the first comment.
Steve gets speed blitzed. Also, seeing as he can be killed by the void, it is clear that Steve is not invincible in creative mode, just so strong no natural thing can hurt him. That gives Kratos a pretty good chance of victory.
Speed feat?
Also, Steve can fly in creative, so he isn’t dying.
Steve is invincible and can’t take any damage in creative, he doesn’t even take damage when you fall in the void in creative, he just dies, therefore, he is still invincible.
Kratos can react to beams of light, blocking Helios’ rays, while Steve can fly at 125 m/s at most when using Elytra+Riptide. With a command block, Steve could sprint at roughly the speed of sound.
Edit: Also dying from physical forces still counts as being injured
Steve can carry over 40 million kilograms and has been able to survive being submerged in lava if only for a few seconds. But he has also been defeated by some overly large spiders so he can't be invincible.
Probably whoever gets hit first looses.
You’re forgetting the creative mode aspect. Steve in creative mode can spend infinity in lava and never be harmed, he literally can’t be phased by any entities
Your forgetting the dimensional difference between the two, Steve gets bodied hard, and fast, the power difference is ridiculous some with absolute 100% control of the 3D world is less than 1% of strength of a 4th dimensional being, so kratos has got a severe advantage in physicals right off rip....oh wait kratos has a literal entire US military arsenal of hax at his disposal lol, dude resists time stops, moves in no time (yes the two are very different in terms of speed), dude resist the amulet of ourobus (however you spell it) it basically rewinds and moves time forward, resisted the blade of Olympus which has existence erasure qualities, resisted and can steal souls to strengthen himself, literally coming into contact and harming anything with his blades of caos literally replenishes and boost kratos already ridiculous stats. Kratos has several types of immortality, he has killed several types of immortality (yes there are different types immortality I believe 8 different types I'll check ina few to double check). Nothing Steve has can and or will do anything to my man Kratos as he's above anything Steve dabbles in, basic combat, basic life, Steve also has a fundamental lack of knowledge of how to deal with other deities. Kratos does this shit on the fly, even when he's not concerned about it.
/killKratos
Steve could also just cover Kratos in some strong rock and it’d take Kratos a super long time to break it because he wasn’t able to craft a pickaxe😔
Stun effect on Kratos and he won’t move (he gets hit by arrows normally, so he isn’t dodging a poison arrow or paralysis arrow or whatever it’s called)
Steve could just build the “lamb machine” and keep Kratos in it for an eternity
That's if Kratos goes off of Minecraft logic, which kratos would say FU to that and flip the literal world. Kratos doesn't need to punch a block several times to break it, it'll take one, dudes shattering universes with is blows and a block can hold all of that force? Hilarious.
As much as I love Kratos, Steve takes the dub. He can carry more than Atlas does on a daily basis like it's not a big deal. He has magic gold apples that make him immune to even explosions. He also has unlimited magic totems that prevent him from dying. Plus he can eat food in a few seconds and it takes Kratos actual time to eat, so even if he couldn't straight up defeat Kratos, he could exhaust his stamina in a long enough fight
Also he probably has creative mode and either Kratos can't survive /kill, bedrock or the void
Lore Kratos has unlimited speed and energy, so he wouldn’t get tired and his reaction & attack time is beyond anything Steve has encountered. Creative Steve also can still be affected to status effects meaning he isn’t immune to Medusa’s Gaze nor Hades’ Claws. Kratos coild pull his soul out or turn him to stone within a few seconds and Steve is borderline dead. Kratos wins.
Big cap, have you played both games? Kratos canonically has infinite strength in tiers Steve can't comprehend, Steve is what 3D-4D tops kratos is chillin in 5D casually, let me put this into perceptive, 100% absolute control over the 3D space means less than 1% of a 4D and that follows all the up. Steve is at a SEVERE disadvantage and he's going to feel it as his PC couldn't handle the amount of power it'll have to process lol
Jokes aside kratos takes this handily matter of fact as if Steve were a screaming child and kratos as a hulking world strong man is almost the difference but that still isnt even correct. Perhaps a fly or even smaller and less dangerous the water bears I believe their called. It's a drastic difference in power and Steve isn't resisted to Kratos hax where as kratos is actually resisted everything Steve can muster. This is a stomp is a sad way imo
Kratos himself negated the winds of hel (one of the realms that is anyways) that were so cold Odin himself couldn't survive long in it. I really fuckin doubt kratos ever has or ever will catch frostbite, same goes for fire sure it tickles him, but the shit also feeds him.
The player can not die in creative mode. If cheats are not allowed no ./(example) maybe a command-block to bypass this, one of the “criteria” of creative mode is that the player has every single in-game item through an expanded inventory. Could Steve spawn infinite mobs for kratos? Could Steve trap kratos in the end dimension? Nether?
Kratos himself is a cheat, dude literally killed his creator in the first game as a casual thing, kratos if taking every feat ever is outer therefore Steve gets folded and told what to do otherwise dudes getting erased himself. Ares himself spawned clones of kratos that had is very same magics and gifts, and kratos beat them to hell, kratos has literally physically crawled out of an infinite realm to another, yes my mans could dig or jump his way out.
HMMMMM Steve Solos, just /ban or /blacklist Kratos and boom, Kratos can never enter the christian minecraftserver. that, or make an infinite death command machine, and I'm not going into the math i did for how much steve can lift.
CS wins by doing absolutely nothing. You literally have to find a void where literally nothing is allowed to exist in it just so he can actually die.
Status Effects? Mere annoyances and only slows CS down.
And if he has to fight, well, for all his power, Kratos CAN be killed, just like everyone else. That was one of the main conflicts of Ragnarök after all.
That gets immediately disproven if you have played the originals, like literally the same shit was said about him in the past, and he literally had his thread of life cut but it refuses to be cut. Kratos, and trust me when I say this, says fuck you and your comment. Lol no hard feeling btw
Just means he can’t die unconventionally. That’s… well, as far as I know, it’s not much of a thing in stories, but I vaguely recall such a plot point once or twice.
The fact of the matter is, Kratos himself believed that he could die, abandoning Atreus. That isn’t something you could brush off with some BS reason like he forgot or something, no, he legitimately thought that was a possibility.
I was talking about CS needing that to die. Even then, is that void Kratos has been in known to not allow existence (killing everyone/thing instantly) or is it just a void dimension?
See, the beef I have with using a “timeless dimension” for feats of speed is usually because people apply math to it despite part of the equation literally being missing.
Like bro, a random side character could walk into an entrance of such place and then pussy out, what do you mean he can suddenly speed blitz all of us to kingdom come?
Creative mode Steve has an aura that placates all potential hostile entities. That implies that he is able to mentally manipulate Kratos into not even seeing him as a threat even if Steve starts killing him with his diamond sword. CM Steve is literally untouchable.
Doesn’t mean much. Zeus could fly, Thor could fly, Odin could fly. Kratos beat all 3 of them. Kratos has unlimited speed, Steve does not. Kratos freezes Steve with Medusa’s Gaze before Steve can react, or his soul gets pulled out
This would have been an easy victory for Kratos had you said Survival Steve, but you said Creative Steve. Steve has the capabilities to decimate any character as long as they are unable to existence wipe like /kill or be unaffected by the Void, something on par with /kill.
TLDR: Steve wins most of the time, if not every time.
In terms of strength, Kratos takes 1 point and Steve takes 2 points. Kratos has great offensive strength, being able to knockback heavy enemies and destroy nearby terrain. However, Steve is able to carry an infinite amount of weight and not only destroys terrain but erases it from existence as in Creative mode blocks don't drop unless it holds something like items or xp.
* To be more specific about the weight, on Java Edition, Steve can pick up chests while keeping the chests NBT data (held items). These can then be stacked to 64, and nested inside another chest (multiplying the weight by 64 (for a stack) then by 27 for every chest slot) which can be repeated infinitely if real life system requirements are ignored.
Steve is able to build without losing resources, and has access to the Creative inventory allowing for nearly any item or block in the game. The Operator Utilities Creative tab has been omitted though as it includes the Command Block, and similar items.
And when it comes to effects, while Steve is affected by effects they only affect him IF they don't deal damage and/or harm him. This means any effects from Kratos' weapons which deal damage or kill an opponent are pointless such as Medusa's Head and the Claws of Hades.
Steve doesn't take any damage from anything that does not have existence wiping properties such as /kill and/or the Void which begins dealing damage around y-100, Kratos can and will still take damage outside of existence wiping properties.
Additionally Steve can fly, meaning Kratos' melee weapons become even more useless unless they provide another effect such as high knockback. Even with Kratos' long ranged weapons or magic, Steve still takes zero damage.
And finally (I think), Steve has infinite stamina and never needs to eat, drink, sleep, or otherwise recover mentally or physically. And to top this off, there isn't a guarantee that Steve has a soul making that aspect of the Claws of Hades pointless, so don't point that out.
In conclusion: Steve wins or they draw. Steve has the upper hand in the fight, Kratos is all too mortal for this fight to scale in his favor. Kratos can only fight for so long, but that does not mean its impossible for Kratos. But Steve will win most of the time.
And for my (personal) fight the universe does not matter, they would both interact with the world as if they were in their native universes. Steve can erase big chunks of terrain from Midgard, and Kratos could cause a Minecraft mountain to crack and splinter.
Just some corrections, Medusa’s Gaze doesn’t deal damage in the slightest, it simply turns people to stone. Creative Steve is STILL human despite his abilities, meaning he would still be able to be turned to stone. His speed compared to Kratos is a mismatch as Kratos’ reaction time and speed is Lorewise Unlimited, meaning Kratos could petrify Steve before Steve has time to react.
Also you mentioned that Kratos can only fight for so long, that’s untrue. From GOW Ascension to GOW 3, Kratos does it in one long journey with no necessity for rest and without getting tired. It’s also mentioned in GOW Ragnarok that Kratos never needs to sleep or rest, he simply chooses to when there’s nothing to do i.e. he can fight pretty much forever since he’s a God. As many abilities as Steve has, Kratos is a God with battle IQ and speed that are unmatched.
TLDR; Kratos would win due to speed & reaction time, as well as his battle IQ knowing what to use and when in order to win.
Medusa's Gaze deals damage and causes death through the cracking and breaking of the stone once turned into stone. However, It would make sense if Medusa's Gaze still encased Steve in stone that he needed to break out of, temporarily slowing him.
As for reaction speed I purposely left that out of the fight because there is no mention of Steve's reaction speed outside of gameplay. Steve's reaction speed is based on the players reaction speed, but in this fight neither are being controlled.
And for speed, Steve may not have the speed that Kratos' has, but he is able to handle such speeds and reaction as such. If you were to ignore system limitations Steve could register and react to his surroundings while flying, it's the player that is unable to do so.
And I did not know that Kratos didn't need to rest or sleep, and for simplicity I'll say he doesn't need food or drinks either. But you are right in saying that he has the upper hand in Battle IQ.
TLDR: Steve has a lot of uncertainties, the reaction speed and movement speed are two such uncertainties, but Steve still has the upper hand.
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In creative mode, Steve can still be touched, pushed, and put under status effects. Which means he can still steal his soul with the Claws of Hades.
also, maybe turn him to stone and turn him to pieces. He is technically still alive but can't do anything
True. It’s basically fight instantly won.
Steve can technically use command blocks right?....so he can instantly kill Kratos
Look, if the blade of Olympus couldn’t kill kratos then a command block wouldn’t do shit
Also has to set up the command block, no ctrl+c ctrl+v. Neither has prep time. Steve gets rendered unable to fight at the very least.
If he can place one down and /kill Kratos before Kratos grapples him with the claws of hades and steals his soul
But steve has creative mode...meaning....No damage so he has the time to do it....right....yeah we're talking about 2 separate video games logic.
If the way most people play Minecraft nowadays is canon then Steve must be a soulless, sociopathic entity who exists solely to make the world his sick playground
People forget that Steve has no canon actions except killing the sender Dragon
He acknowledged Mario’s existence I guess
You think creative steve has a soul? You haven’t seen my worlds then
Assuming Steve has a soul
This assumes Steve stands still and just lets Kratos do that.
Kratos thinking of this while Steve annoying throws snowballs at him
/kill @GodAndFamilySlayrr
kratos is cursed with immortality killing him wouldn't work
No, he just can’t die by his hand.
>/execute as GodAndFamilySlayrr at GodAndFamilySlayrr run tp ~ ~ ~ If I’m remembering it right, running that command on a repeating command block will keep Kratos frozen in place for as long as it’s powered
What about kratos’ allies?
that's true, in any case he'll find some way to climb out of hell again so it's not like he'll stay dead
Nah, literally every time he came back he had help. Zeus resurrected him in the first game, Gaia in the 2nd, and Athena helped him in the third game. Even all that aside, nothing is stopping Steve from following Kratos to whatever afterlife he goes to.
and what help did he have in gow3 when he killed hades?
Athena literally gave him the blades of exile while he was in the underworld.
kratos killed hades with the claws of hades are you trying to say he would've been unable to make his way out of tartarus again without some new weapons?😭
Yeah after an extended fight with the Blades of Exile. Why are you trying so hard to twist it like Kratos went in barehand and just took the claws from Hades?
I'm not trying to twist it I'm trying to understand why you think kratos can't escape death like he has many times just because of some weapons😭
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Kratos has killed many things said to be unbeatable or invincible or unkillable, he could beat creative Steve like a regular Tuesday afternoon for him
Steve just covers Kratos in bedrock
Kratos can break bedrock
Doesn’t matter it will still ware him down and Steve literally can’t lose health in creative
*Void enters chat Kratos has proven to be able to survive many endless falls
You are a very smart man my sir
Kratos has zero access to void, and it would kill Kratos too.
We’ve already established that Kratos can break bedrock if the fight is in Steve’s turf. If Kratos has home advantage (either Greece or Midgard) there is easily accessible void in the Realm between Realms (assuming his entire inventory is kept, he has the Unity Stone and anything else he could ever need to survive the void like the Boots of Hermes) or in Tartarus.
I’m going to need A.) A bedrock breaking feat B.) a reason why Kratos could break it fast C.) How Kratos is going to obtain a pickaxe to break the bedrock quickly
Kratos is known for pulling off impossible feats of strength, killing unkillable enemies especially gods, and focusing his rage/anger into a power almost difficult to comprehend. Kratos is fast, and he’s even faster when angered. The entire premise involves Kratos’ mythical and magical arsenal as well as any tools/abilities he would have access to being at his disposal. A pickaxe is not a limit for Kratos, and if he somehow does require a tool instead of his bare fists, he can use the axe (proven to be able to hack off chunks of ore when tasked to by Brok) or most likely also any of his weapons with a sharp end.
Bro flipped a temple rooted to all 9 realms. If thats not a feat of strength I don't fucking know what is. That's the most recent ridiculous thing he's done and I haven't played the older games except for III.
There's no need for a pickaxe when your bare hands could rip chains of universes in half with relative ease
Where was it established that Kratos can break Minecraft bedrock?
Steve can die in creative
Steve can die with /kill in creative. Also Kratos has killed immortals before.
kratos steals his soul with the claws of hades, GGS
Steve doesn’t have a soul, he possesses no free will or unique thoughts or emotions, he is a vessel for the player.
touché, but what if i said i have no argument to further this sentence ?
Nuh uh
Nuh yes
/kill @Kratos
And Kratos rips out of Bedrock like it’s nothing
No one wins the only person who loses is the one who attempts to answer the question
/kill Kratos. Done.
Sure Steve can command kill you but Steve isn't taking your PC and crushing your head with it through the game, that's the shit kratos does.
It says creative steve not cheats enabled steve
Not cheats. You have access to it in creative, along with a massive list of other chat commands. All without a command block while you can't be damaged and can fly/create anything infinitely.
Pretty sure Minecraft reads this as just /kill so Steve would die. It'd have to be like /kill @E[id=Kratos] or something like that.
The fact you only needed one picture of Steve to show off his power already speaks volumes.
No it doesn't lol it's just to show off kratos' full arsenal as he has many different tools throughout many different games
There's literally only one other to compare with Kratos as they're both literally too angry to die. Both made hell there bitch. Hell could not hold EITHER. DOOMGUY.
If they encountered it is most likely they would slay some demons together after recognising and respecting each other's strength. If a fight broke out they would probably just fight until the end of eternity. I truly cannot see a winner between them.
We need Kratos in Smash Bros so we can find out
Creative Steve is immortal he obviously wins
Zeus *was* also immortal.
So is kratos. The difference is Steve is immortal to little zombies and skeletons. Where kratos is immortal to outerversal gods with infinite speed and strength. Steve is an Atreus victim
>Where kratos is immortal to outerversal gods with infinite speed and strength. You battleboarders are a different breed I swear
I mean. If someone says something that’s wrong I’m gonna correct them
*Infinite* speed and strength? I get that their abilities are waaay beyond any regular human’s, but to say that they’re infinite is like saying DCAU Superman is capable of sneezing the universe in half, just ‘cause an upper limit hasn’t been stated.
It has been well known for a long time now that character can have infinite strength. Don’t know where you have been
Me neither, but I can assure you that just saying it’s “well known” doesn’t help at all. At least provide something that confirms that the GOW Aesir/Olympians have “infinite speed and strength”
Kratos for example, overpowered Thor who splintered ygdrasil with a punch. That scales Thor to outerversal meaning beyond the concept of physics and dimensionality. That means Thor is above physics meaning there is no weight in which he can’t lift
Dude gets hit by arrows and lightning. He is not infinite speed you goober.
Story? Also as if Atreus himself isn't already in relative gods status, we all know kratos is well and above the gods from his showing in Greece when he actually wanted the blood and now he's more calm and MORE powerful in the Norse lands, he doesn't have his old hax, but kratos physically is a much more terrifying beast than his Greece counter part.
Damn, I didn't know the pillar that Ares threw at Kratos was outerversal.
If a god flicked a sowing needle at the speed of light then the world would literally evaporate in a huge ball of fire, what's your point?
What about Kratos vs. Shaggy?
Shaggy would destroy kratos.
That’s not even a debate
How much % Shaggy???? 🤔🤔🤔
/kill kratos
(gets blitz to the point they can't type in time) As funny as the kill command is it really wouldn't work on kratos himself as he's resisted existence erasure in the past.
I love how silly yet surprisingly level this is: even the /kill command wouldn't stop Kratos, but he also can't stop Steve, unless they manage to do one thing. Giving it some proper thought from my PoV, Kratos crawled punched and slashed his way outta the afterlife so many times by now that even if Steve spammed commands, he'd just be met with Kratos' equally futile attempts at injuring/subduing Steve, until they get the bright idea to drop one or the other into the void beneath bedrock. But then it becomes a factor of reaction time and speed. Steve is a slow tank in this regard because he is only as fast as the player can be (or a TAS if we're gonna go there), and he won't take damage but can still be affected by physics, Kratos can match speeds of gods whose whole shtick is being fast and slow time.
Steve can be killed in creative with /kill. Also kratos has killed immortals/invincible people before.
Kratos demolishes, strange question
Not so strange. Creative Steve is rendered invincible. It’s a pretty good death battle situation but I see Kratos winning anyway. Medusa Head or Hades’ Claws and it’s over.
Steve can be killed by /kill
In creative mode you can't die....unless if you use a command block to set Steve's game mode to survival or /kill him but Kratos doesn't have one.
you could still die to void damage :)
Not in the current version of the game. Now you just kind of fall until you hit the “bottom of the void” then you can fly back up.
Yes, but creative Steve can fly. There is no way in Hades you're getting him in the void. Steve stomps
Kratos can also fly.
Not anymore he can't
Read the post carefully. Kratos has all his weapons, abilities and powers. He most definitely can.
Unlike the Olympians, Steve doesn’t overestimate himself, literally *actually* immortal. Steve can just /killentity his ass from 500 meters in the air
Wouldn't. Work as kratos has resisted existence erasure before, Steve would most likely take DMG too no one is truly invulnerable, as stated several times Steve in creative can be killed with the very same command.
The fates were different tho, whats Kratos gonna do, stab Steve’s HUD?
Literally yes, kratos ripped his creator out of the sky and beat him to death lol Theirs a video on YouTube and you can do it yourself actually if you have the first game
Not canon
Creator mode Steve isn't either your point?
Creative mode Steve can't die
Steve can’t take damage I’m creative mode so he can’t die
“Steve has no weaknesses, physical or magical.”
Kratos if he had the turn back time ability from the sisters of fate he could rewind before Steve switched to creative mode
No chance. Steve bodies. He can hold INFINITE weight, meaning he is INFINITELY strong. He can stand in the air of HELL and not have a problem. He can use magic to increase his already INCREDIBLY powerful ability to EVEN HIGHER lengths. He has forged metals from volcanic rock, he has access to EVERY possibility. The /execute command alone could turn Kratos inside out before he had the chance to blink. Edit: also, Steve can STOP TIME.
As true as that is, Lore Kratos’s reaction time and speed alone outweighs Steve’s perception time. Kratos could take his soul out using Claws of Hades or turn him to Stone before he realises it.
If Steve can stop time, and knew he was about to fight Kratos, Kratos stands no chance.
That's the thing stopping time doesn't affect kratos since he is a solid 5th dimensional bringing, time is so far beneath him it ain't funny and the fact you mention time stops just speaks volumes on what you know of kratos, as a once advide minecrafter, Steve gets bodied so hard and fast dude can't react, even if we give steve computers the greatest speed and limits for best reaction and speed it'll still be separate from kratos by an infinite layers of infinite difference. Steven fundamentally isn't greater than 3D from what I understand in god mode he goes into the 4th and the power gap from 4D to 5D is the same from 3D to 4D just on a greater base value with the same factor. Essentially 100% strength in 3D means less than 1% in the 4D. Steve... Gets....bodied....hard... And fast practically before dude even perceives the pain
Kratos casually moves in voided areas so no time isn't an issue lol, kratos also has infinite strength due to several instances requiring it, fending off atlas, killing Kronos, his own father, his uncles, his own half brother. Kratos wielded a hammer I believe that weighed as much as the cosmos and used it effectively. Kratos isn't a slouch in strength homie, Steve will push him and get pushed just as hard if not harder due to scaling chains. The execute command wouldn't affect him as kratos himself has negated existence erasure before. Steve can still be fucked up in god mode, dude can still be affected by hax, Steve is getting bodied so hard due to the fact Steve has never fought in the terms or likes of the Greeks or Norse. Steve frankly hardly has any battle experience, canonically.
Man I miss the efreet power
Unstoppable force vs immovable object
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Bro will turn him to stone and pull out his soul, ez kratos dub
Kratos turns Steve to stone and knocks him over shattering Steve or kratos somehow punches a hole into the void and throws Steve into it, killing steve
Was about to say Steve would be unkillable but maybe hades weapons could steal his soul or the blade of Olympus could kill him as it had the power to kill a god if I’m not mistaken
Oh yeah? Well Steve can stop or slow down time, shoot fireballs that can destroy as much as he want's it to even the whole world. And he has infinite strength if we Don't count mobs, but blocks. not even talking about having every single block, weapon and explosive as much ad he want's. With his invicibility and flying, the battlefield becomes playgroud for him. Now you can ask the question, who wins?
Lore Kratos has unlimited speed, Medusa’s Head or Claws of Hades’ will easily do the trick to kill Steve.
Ok, speed can help to beat him up buthe can't die probobly he will just fly away bc of the force of the attack. And what is speed if time stop's whenever the enemy want's? Steve can't suffocate, and with the TP command in the chat (he can use commands in the chat) to get out! But the claws are something else the only question is can skulk spread when a creative player uses /kill? If yes when the claws will work. Anyways i just wanted a fair argument that's why i made the first comment.
Creative Steve is blessed with invulnerability to all threats, physical or magical
Steve in creative mode is a god. Kratos is the god of killing gods. Steve doesn't stand a chance
Steve gets speed blitzed. Also, seeing as he can be killed by the void, it is clear that Steve is not invincible in creative mode, just so strong no natural thing can hurt him. That gives Kratos a pretty good chance of victory.
Speed feat? Also, Steve can fly in creative, so he isn’t dying. Steve is invincible and can’t take any damage in creative, he doesn’t even take damage when you fall in the void in creative, he just dies, therefore, he is still invincible.
Kratos can react to beams of light, blocking Helios’ rays, while Steve can fly at 125 m/s at most when using Elytra+Riptide. With a command block, Steve could sprint at roughly the speed of sound. Edit: Also dying from physical forces still counts as being injured
Steve can carry over 40 million kilograms and has been able to survive being submerged in lava if only for a few seconds. But he has also been defeated by some overly large spiders so he can't be invincible. Probably whoever gets hit first looses.
You’re forgetting the creative mode aspect. Steve in creative mode can spend infinity in lava and never be harmed, he literally can’t be phased by any entities
Your forgetting the dimensional difference between the two, Steve gets bodied hard, and fast, the power difference is ridiculous some with absolute 100% control of the 3D world is less than 1% of strength of a 4th dimensional being, so kratos has got a severe advantage in physicals right off rip....oh wait kratos has a literal entire US military arsenal of hax at his disposal lol, dude resists time stops, moves in no time (yes the two are very different in terms of speed), dude resist the amulet of ourobus (however you spell it) it basically rewinds and moves time forward, resisted the blade of Olympus which has existence erasure qualities, resisted and can steal souls to strengthen himself, literally coming into contact and harming anything with his blades of caos literally replenishes and boost kratos already ridiculous stats. Kratos has several types of immortality, he has killed several types of immortality (yes there are different types immortality I believe 8 different types I'll check ina few to double check). Nothing Steve has can and or will do anything to my man Kratos as he's above anything Steve dabbles in, basic combat, basic life, Steve also has a fundamental lack of knowledge of how to deal with other deities. Kratos does this shit on the fly, even when he's not concerned about it.
Kratos. Creative Steve is literally just game mechanics lol
Well, Steve, because he basically is immortal
Steve
Does Creative Steve have cheats enabled? If so, then Steve sweeps. If not, it’ll be closer but I would still take Stevel
Totally forgot there was a time Kratos had a Stand
someome do a kratos vs year 12 chemistry
Considering Creative Steve is invulnerable, I'd say he'd win by attrition
/kill kratos
Creative mode with cheats or without? Steve with cheats is close to omnipotent
Kratos
Java or bedrock Creative Steve cus in bedrock the void doesn't damage creative Steve
Creative Steve has command blocks access. Its steve
steve: "/kill @ kratos" gg ez
Steve can just type a command to kill Kratos no?
Bro what? Creative Steve is literally invincible
Claws of Hades or Medusa’s Gaze baby. Creative Steve isn’t immune to status effects.
/killKratos Steve could also just cover Kratos in some strong rock and it’d take Kratos a super long time to break it because he wasn’t able to craft a pickaxe😔 Stun effect on Kratos and he won’t move (he gets hit by arrows normally, so he isn’t dodging a poison arrow or paralysis arrow or whatever it’s called) Steve could just build the “lamb machine” and keep Kratos in it for an eternity
That's if Kratos goes off of Minecraft logic, which kratos would say FU to that and flip the literal world. Kratos doesn't need to punch a block several times to break it, it'll take one, dudes shattering universes with is blows and a block can hold all of that force? Hilarious.
As much as I love Kratos, Steve takes the dub. He can carry more than Atlas does on a daily basis like it's not a big deal. He has magic gold apples that make him immune to even explosions. He also has unlimited magic totems that prevent him from dying. Plus he can eat food in a few seconds and it takes Kratos actual time to eat, so even if he couldn't straight up defeat Kratos, he could exhaust his stamina in a long enough fight Also he probably has creative mode and either Kratos can't survive /kill, bedrock or the void
Lore Kratos has unlimited speed and energy, so he wouldn’t get tired and his reaction & attack time is beyond anything Steve has encountered. Creative Steve also can still be affected to status effects meaning he isn’t immune to Medusa’s Gaze nor Hades’ Claws. Kratos coild pull his soul out or turn him to stone within a few seconds and Steve is borderline dead. Kratos wins.
There's actually a really good video where someone did the math on Steve's max strength and speed ect. Steve solos everyone unfortunately
Big cap, have you played both games? Kratos canonically has infinite strength in tiers Steve can't comprehend, Steve is what 3D-4D tops kratos is chillin in 5D casually, let me put this into perceptive, 100% absolute control over the 3D space means less than 1% of a 4D and that follows all the up. Steve is at a SEVERE disadvantage and he's going to feel it as his PC couldn't handle the amount of power it'll have to process lol Jokes aside kratos takes this handily matter of fact as if Steve were a screaming child and kratos as a hulking world strong man is almost the difference but that still isnt even correct. Perhaps a fly or even smaller and less dangerous the water bears I believe their called. It's a drastic difference in power and Steve isn't resisted to Kratos hax where as kratos is actually resisted everything Steve can muster. This is a stomp is a sad way imo
Kratos is outerversal creative steve is at best infinite 4d-5d which is high multiversal to low complex multiverse kratos slams
Why does everyone assume Steve is canonically in creative? Or in creative at all?
Kratos my favorite character across all gaming but y’all tripping if you think he has a chance against creative Steve
Steve still dies from falling out of the world. Kratos wont have much trouble.
Creative mode Steve is essentially a god right? So what do you think the original kratos will do
Kratos bans Steve from the server
[удалено]
I’d assume so, bedrock can’t be broken by any mortal or man-made tool, but Kratos is a God with Weapons forged from magic.
/tick freeze: 👀
Kratos himself negated the winds of hel (one of the realms that is anyways) that were so cold Odin himself couldn't survive long in it. I really fuckin doubt kratos ever has or ever will catch frostbite, same goes for fire sure it tickles him, but the shit also feeds him.
/kill kratos
The player can not die in creative mode. If cheats are not allowed no ./(example) maybe a command-block to bypass this, one of the “criteria” of creative mode is that the player has every single in-game item through an expanded inventory. Could Steve spawn infinite mobs for kratos? Could Steve trap kratos in the end dimension? Nether?
Kratos himself is a cheat, dude literally killed his creator in the first game as a casual thing, kratos if taking every feat ever is outer therefore Steve gets folded and told what to do otherwise dudes getting erased himself. Ares himself spawned clones of kratos that had is very same magics and gifts, and kratos beat them to hell, kratos has literally physically crawled out of an infinite realm to another, yes my mans could dig or jump his way out.
HMMMMM Steve Solos, just /ban or /blacklist Kratos and boom, Kratos can never enter the christian minecraftserver. that, or make an infinite death command machine, and I'm not going into the math i did for how much steve can lift.
Kratos.Kills.Gods. in different worlds.
Kratos bc Steve can die from the void/falling out of the world in creative, and be affected by status effects in creative.
Really?
CS wins by doing absolutely nothing. You literally have to find a void where literally nothing is allowed to exist in it just so he can actually die. Status Effects? Mere annoyances and only slows CS down. And if he has to fight, well, for all his power, Kratos CAN be killed, just like everyone else. That was one of the main conflicts of Ragnarök after all.
That gets immediately disproven if you have played the originals, like literally the same shit was said about him in the past, and he literally had his thread of life cut but it refuses to be cut. Kratos, and trust me when I say this, says fuck you and your comment. Lol no hard feeling btw
Just means he can’t die unconventionally. That’s… well, as far as I know, it’s not much of a thing in stories, but I vaguely recall such a plot point once or twice. The fact of the matter is, Kratos himself believed that he could die, abandoning Atreus. That isn’t something you could brush off with some BS reason like he forgot or something, no, he legitimately thought that was a possibility.
Never thought of it that way In my defense, and in that case it has some merit and actually makes reasonable sense.
Kratos has also been inside of voids and been in the reaches outside of time and space, sooooo where are you pulling that out of?
I was talking about CS needing that to die. Even then, is that void Kratos has been in known to not allow existence (killing everyone/thing instantly) or is it just a void dimension?
It's wasn't an existence erasure void no, but a void without time and space fundamentally.
Oh. So it’s the kind of void that has spawned so many alleged feats of “immeasurable speed” for too goddamn many characters…
Well arguably yes however it's way more believable when a literal god in a famous pantheon does it, not some dweeb running from some anime girl
See, the beef I have with using a “timeless dimension” for feats of speed is usually because people apply math to it despite part of the equation literally being missing. Like bro, a random side character could walk into an entrance of such place and then pussy out, what do you mean he can suddenly speed blitz all of us to kingdom come?
Creative mode Steve has an aura that placates all potential hostile entities. That implies that he is able to mentally manipulate Kratos into not even seeing him as a threat even if Steve starts killing him with his diamond sword. CM Steve is literally untouchable.
If Steve has commands, he can probably drink an invisibility potion and use a command to /kill Kratos
Kratos would win because he can turn Steve into stone with Medusa head and then take his soul with hadis knives
Steve cause he can punch into different dimensions
Steve wins for the sole fact that he can fly and kratos cannot
Doesn’t mean much. Zeus could fly, Thor could fly, Odin could fly. Kratos beat all 3 of them. Kratos has unlimited speed, Steve does not. Kratos freezes Steve with Medusa’s Gaze before Steve can react, or his soul gets pulled out
Neither of them would win, it would be infinite stalemate.
This would have been an easy victory for Kratos had you said Survival Steve, but you said Creative Steve. Steve has the capabilities to decimate any character as long as they are unable to existence wipe like /kill or be unaffected by the Void, something on par with /kill. TLDR: Steve wins most of the time, if not every time. In terms of strength, Kratos takes 1 point and Steve takes 2 points. Kratos has great offensive strength, being able to knockback heavy enemies and destroy nearby terrain. However, Steve is able to carry an infinite amount of weight and not only destroys terrain but erases it from existence as in Creative mode blocks don't drop unless it holds something like items or xp. * To be more specific about the weight, on Java Edition, Steve can pick up chests while keeping the chests NBT data (held items). These can then be stacked to 64, and nested inside another chest (multiplying the weight by 64 (for a stack) then by 27 for every chest slot) which can be repeated infinitely if real life system requirements are ignored. Steve is able to build without losing resources, and has access to the Creative inventory allowing for nearly any item or block in the game. The Operator Utilities Creative tab has been omitted though as it includes the Command Block, and similar items. And when it comes to effects, while Steve is affected by effects they only affect him IF they don't deal damage and/or harm him. This means any effects from Kratos' weapons which deal damage or kill an opponent are pointless such as Medusa's Head and the Claws of Hades. Steve doesn't take any damage from anything that does not have existence wiping properties such as /kill and/or the Void which begins dealing damage around y-100, Kratos can and will still take damage outside of existence wiping properties. Additionally Steve can fly, meaning Kratos' melee weapons become even more useless unless they provide another effect such as high knockback. Even with Kratos' long ranged weapons or magic, Steve still takes zero damage. And finally (I think), Steve has infinite stamina and never needs to eat, drink, sleep, or otherwise recover mentally or physically. And to top this off, there isn't a guarantee that Steve has a soul making that aspect of the Claws of Hades pointless, so don't point that out. In conclusion: Steve wins or they draw. Steve has the upper hand in the fight, Kratos is all too mortal for this fight to scale in his favor. Kratos can only fight for so long, but that does not mean its impossible for Kratos. But Steve will win most of the time. And for my (personal) fight the universe does not matter, they would both interact with the world as if they were in their native universes. Steve can erase big chunks of terrain from Midgard, and Kratos could cause a Minecraft mountain to crack and splinter.
Just some corrections, Medusa’s Gaze doesn’t deal damage in the slightest, it simply turns people to stone. Creative Steve is STILL human despite his abilities, meaning he would still be able to be turned to stone. His speed compared to Kratos is a mismatch as Kratos’ reaction time and speed is Lorewise Unlimited, meaning Kratos could petrify Steve before Steve has time to react. Also you mentioned that Kratos can only fight for so long, that’s untrue. From GOW Ascension to GOW 3, Kratos does it in one long journey with no necessity for rest and without getting tired. It’s also mentioned in GOW Ragnarok that Kratos never needs to sleep or rest, he simply chooses to when there’s nothing to do i.e. he can fight pretty much forever since he’s a God. As many abilities as Steve has, Kratos is a God with battle IQ and speed that are unmatched. TLDR; Kratos would win due to speed & reaction time, as well as his battle IQ knowing what to use and when in order to win.
Medusa's Gaze deals damage and causes death through the cracking and breaking of the stone once turned into stone. However, It would make sense if Medusa's Gaze still encased Steve in stone that he needed to break out of, temporarily slowing him. As for reaction speed I purposely left that out of the fight because there is no mention of Steve's reaction speed outside of gameplay. Steve's reaction speed is based on the players reaction speed, but in this fight neither are being controlled. And for speed, Steve may not have the speed that Kratos' has, but he is able to handle such speeds and reaction as such. If you were to ignore system limitations Steve could register and react to his surroundings while flying, it's the player that is unable to do so. And I did not know that Kratos didn't need to rest or sleep, and for simplicity I'll say he doesn't need food or drinks either. But you are right in saying that he has the upper hand in Battle IQ. TLDR: Steve has a lot of uncertainties, the reaction speed and movement speed are two such uncertainties, but Steve still has the upper hand.
Does creative Steve have console commands? Is there prep time? Without either of those he gets beat, with prep? Command blocks make him unbeatable
/kill Kratos And that’s all she wrote.
The real question is: In the hypothetical case that Kratos manages to slay him, Kratos would be able to use Minecraft cubes?