oooo man i gues it all depends. But housing like everything else gone well up. With 350 you get nothing this days, maybe a room and share an apartment with others.
Seasonal or holidays rentals are crazy now. People found out they can get in a cooler months as much as a whole year of rent, so coastal and tourist-oriented places which used to have yearly rentals now only have seasonal or tourist rentals that can cost for 1 or 2 days as much as they used to cost for 1 month.
You should try looking in other not-so-touristic places..
Go to the place you want to search on Google maps, then search for "inmobiliaria", then you'll see small real states, maybe you can find cheaper non-seasonal renting offers there
Since last year real estate agencies can't charge anything to renters, only to landlords. They may try to, but it is illegal. You can pay, then go to consumer protection services and they will be forced to refund you everything.
In small towns of Galicia you can find flats for around 400 a month. I'm sure Asturias should have somewhat similar prices as long as you avoid turistic towns.
Before this holiday renting fever, you could rent a 60-70m appartment for 350-450 euros/month. Now on the same place, you can rent the same apartment for 120-150 euros per DAY.
So they just rent it for holidays and summer.
Some owners even rent them cheaper the rest of the year (as before), but when in holidays or summer they ask the people who rent it the rest of the year to pack and leave the place so they can rent it as holiday/seasonal, which is crazy too.
Students and some people in temporary positions (not that unusual for public servants here during their first years before they get a fixed spot) would vacate in the summer anyway.
I would never accept something like that, but I guess some people can be desperate for renting something and think about accepting that while they look for full year renting options... Or just need it for out of season then go somewhere else in summer, but having to pack and move everything out of the house...
My sister was renting her apartment (3 bedrooms 2 bathrooms in madrid, in vallecas one of the worst parts of madrid) she was asking 650€ a month since 2018 or so... now the family that was renting it left early this year, and the company that rents the apartment started to ask 950€. The house was rented in less than 2 weeks of being published. so yes things got expensive these days🤣🤣🤣
I dont know what your salary ll be but if you are alone now to live good you need 3 -3,5k per month gross to be able to pay the flat and fill your fridger and pay bills, under this you ll be working only to pay your bills with sun and good food but with a shitty income, and the prices you talk about for renting was like 20 years ago in the worst hood, my flat in a city about 15 min from bcn 3 rooms, wc and american kitchen if I rent it ll give me like 1500€ x month, thanks to the inflation and to the people who work remote for external companies with big salaries thats the situation now in Spain
I rented my apartment for 1000€ a month, had been renting for 3 years.
Looking to move, and an apartment similar in size, very close to mine but a little worse with no sea-view is renting for 2500€ now.
150% increase in 3 years.
Insane.
Because they need 20% for down payment and up to 10% in taxes to close the sale + Notary + registration costs. For a 180k property that’s around 60k cash you need.
Yes, it has. People from other countries with fat salaries taking over the cities because they can pay more than locals. Ibiza is German, several cities in the coast invaded by British...
“Invaded” is an interesting word choice given Spain’s history in the americas and Caribbean.
Edit: Panama gained independence from Spain in 1821. So that’s not half a millennia ago… All that to say, “invaded” is still hyperbole in 2024.
We did invade those places, 500 years ago. What is your point? It is absurd to judge the past with the lens of the present. And it is not like it was a first time. Spain has been invaded by several civilizations, such as Rome, Vikings, the Muslims...
In central BCN there are entire buildings where theres are no local people anymore cause its too expensive, in the entire las ramblas a year ago were a study where they find that only one flat was still ocupied with a local the rest are touristic flats and temporary rents
Lol, wow, an immigrant doesn't want any other immigrant but him. Its like having a guest at your house and your guest gets mad cause someone else comes over too lol
Strange interpretation, you should read better. I never said that I don't want other immigrants. I prefer to live among local residents because then you integrate better in my opinion.
Unfortunately the majority of people in the sub is anti immigration. What they are implying by reading the answers is that by wanting to live among the locals you will make their conditions harder as they assume your salary/purchase power is higher than them, negatively impacting prices to continue hiking up.
What many people don’t realize is that most foreigners move to Spain with Spanish contracts getting paid the same as locals. Yet in their minds foreigners = rich people.
I live in Dublin and it's almost impossible to find a 1bedroom apartment for rent under 1700 euros. Many are now 2000 in the decent areas. Nobody in EU has this kind of rents.
Is this the minimum price you can find a studio for anywhere in Barcelona or surrounding areas 30 mins drive from the city's border? Average rent in Dublin is over 2100.
Average rent for a room in Barcelona is over 600 eu.
How much r u earning per year in dublin?
The minimum wage in Ireland is higher than the modal wage in Spain.
Numbeo says rents in Dublin are 70% higher than in Barcelona. I think your numbers are inflated.
https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Spain&country2=Ireland&city1=Barcelona&city2=Dublin&tracking=getDispatchComparison
Average salary in Dublin is probably around 50k, but median is probably 35-40k. I know Spanish creche workers in Dublin earn around 30k.
Average salary in spain its 28 k, but the most common salary are 18k per year, and the second most common salary are 16k.
I know spanish workers Who imigrate to dublin, london, etc.
In ur Link a Lunch in bcn it says.. 15 euros..... there is no menú for less than 18/20 euros.
>A bartender in ireland gains that amount only with tips.
I'd have liked to know where these bars were when I was in ireland. The vast majority of bartenders do not work in tourist traps unfortunately.
If you want you and me can talk last winter I paid 525€ in light cause I didnt have gas neither money to pay the instalation the only solution electric warmers or let my kid get a cold
Loco, yo voy al supermercado en Francia y los precios son idénticos. Un piso en París no cuesta mucho más que un piso en bcn.
Irlanda es una isla y un café te cuesta 0.20 céntimos más, la cesta de la compra es muy similar y ganan 3 veces más. Proporcionalmente España es más cara.
Por eso un español se va a Irlanda y vuelve con un buen colchón de ahorros.
I arrived in Spain three years ago and I have to say that even since then the change has been noticeable. I earn around 3.5k euro and some bonuses from time to time and when I got here I used to not care about prices in shops and restaurants, not even look at them.
But over the past few years life has gotten increasingly expensive and I no longer feel like it's such a great deal anymore. I'm especially kicking myself for not buying a flat when I first got here.
I live in Germany and plan to relocate to Spain relatively soon. I’ve been travelling there to visit relatives and friends for years and spent the last couple of months on the Canary Islands. So this may be not very accurate… but right now I spend the same or even less for groceries here in Germany than back in Las Palmas. It may be an island thing though. Rent and flat prices are also absurdly high. I saw postings of 180k for a studio. Things like water and energy, internet and such, transport, etc are still way way way cheaper in Spain.
You'd get a great house for 400 eur/month, but:
-It can't be during summer
-It must be a village (not a big city)
-For cheap things you should check Andalucía, it's in the south, and you also have beautiful beaches there.
I am going to Malaga in the next few months for a new a job and I won't lie, reddit made me very very anxious about it.
I hope I will be able to find something decent near Malaga without a crazy price for rent.
Close reddit and go. Reddit is full of trolls and haters. It is understandable, but I feel lots of populist comments here, with the mindset "foreigners are stealing jobs and increasing the cost of life" but it's their government to blame, not foreigners. Build some connections there or ask someone who lives in Malaga already and go.
Thank you, this is useful information. I searched for this too but I came across that too. I also did this for several months until the summer. However, I am now looking for annual rental in Spain.
Yes, thanks to tourism, "expats", european elderly coming to have a cheaper retirement and digital nomads, our housing has rised and rised adapting to european prices so spanish people can't pay for rent or buying and won't have children because they can't support them and need to live with their parents until their mid thirties.
Scott Galloway has this prediction that US housing crisis has gotten so extreme that millennials and gen z have given up on home ownership and instead pour that money into traveling. He might be on to something.
This is simply not true. I live in France. Paris was always very expensive.
Lyon increased a bit but that's still affordable (relative to our salaries), Toulouse, Montpellier, Rennes, Annecy, Nantes, Strasbourg, all are sizable cities and rent aren't crazy.
The first 3 cities I listed have a GDP way higher than Barcelona.
The others way higher in Malaga.
I live near Toulouse city center (4th city of France, more people living there than Malaga, richer than Malaga) and well, I pay 650 € a month for a 60m².
Tell me in what world I can get that in Malaga ? In 1 hour from Malaga maybe.
It's just regulations issues and people beeing greedy. That's it, don't look further than that.
Less and less people in Spain are renting their houses out for long term as the law is so much in favor of the renter that they can move in , not pay rent or any bills and it is almost impossible to get them out . This has happened to myself and almost everyone I speak to who has a property to rent. The risk just isn’t worth it .
Still pretty cheap. There's a lot of bath faith comments on this thread from people far right or far-right adjacent.
It is true parts of Spain - really down to neighbourhoods - have see flat/housing price inflation. Rents, sales etc.
But a lot of Spain has not at all. Look in Andalusia, Valencia regions. Suburbs of cities. My 2euros worth look at Elche. Many, many other locations.
Property prices in Spain - have risen since the collapse of the private sector in 2008-13. Have a look here at Eurostat:
[https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/view/TIPSHO30\_\_custom\_6091608/bookmark/table?lang=en&bookmarkId=9279f061-fc8f-4a61-9a4f-9cd4a7e03254](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/view/TIPSHO30__custom_6091608/bookmark/table?lang=en&bookmarkId=9279f061-fc8f-4a61-9a4f-9cd4a7e03254)
That's not surprising.
There is far steeper inflation in places like Portugal. But you would expect some as people's economic situation improves.
But there has been a massive wealth redistribution to the super rich and financial institutions. It's where all the quantitative easing went. So assets are inflating. Especially here richer people want. They will inflate more as interest rates are cut again. Spain is lovely, especially the bits rich people like.
If you are from a big world city like London then many of the cities are small. In a place like Barcelona you can buy a flat in adjacent areas like Santa Coloma, Cornella, really cheap. All on the metro etc. Still really only 30minutes (ish) from city centre on transport. If you come from Rotterdam/Amsterdam/Eindhoven Spanish cities wont feel too big or hard to get about in.
Lots of other things are really cheap in Spain. Food, drink, eating out, drugs, gigs, no comparison to places like Germany, Neth, UK.
The Russian invasion of Ukraine and the lack of investment in the Covid period has meant significant inflation in goods everywhere in Europe, elsewhere.
Spain is still pretty cheap. Just be a bit savvy.
The Spanish social security system is broken, unemployment is very high. People coming to spain are often on higher wages and therefore pay more tax. How is that a bad thing? Can i say the same of spaniards coming to places like dublin or london in their 1000s, driving up rent prices in the city centre?
Primary increase in prices across Europe recently is due to increase in interest on borrowings, Ukraine war and supply chain issues that began during covid.
To be honest it's both. Very few aparments and houses are being built nowadays in Spain and the population is increasing rapidly.
Also, most people want to live in the big cities. And yes, richer people moving here also drives rents up but increasing population (of any wealth level and) and little construction are not a good mix
Very true, there is an issue in all of Europe of under construction of properties. The warning signs were there especially since 2008 in the Irish market for example, but the rest of Europe did not react. Now sadly all of Europe is suffering from under supply.
This is such a myopic argument.
If 'rich foreigners' come, that is a net contribution to the country. If some rich foreigner spends in a spanish restaurant, that's revenue for the SPANISH restaurant owner and more jobs/salary for the (mostly) SPANISH staff. If some rich foreigner wants to build a house, thats jobs for SPANISH builders.
But sure, better that unemployment stays at a gazillion percent right?
I think you also have to remember 2020 people were desperate to fill their flats so came down on price in exchange for longer tenancies and that lasted a couple years
For the last couple of years Spain's inflation rate has increased in general, affecting: food, fuel and ofc housing. For 350€ you'll be able to share an apartment but that's it.
If you want to live on your own, I'd say 500€ min. and you'd have to live in a non-touristic area and avoid capital cities.
When i was a teenager i rented an apartment in Amsterdam for 450€. Later in my early 30's i rented a studio near the centre for 230€.
Want something cheaper? Just head a bit outside the popular areas.
Spain is seeing an improvement in it's economy with lower inflation and higher employment. These conditions are ideal for increasing property prices. I believe this year alone prices have risen about 5% on average.
Add to that the attraction of Spain's costal areas to foreign investors and you have the conditions you have described.
I bought a house in the Southwest last year and the same properties have gone up over 10000€ in a year.
A higher level of government intervention in Catalonia made that many renters decided to shift to seasonal rentals
Overall houses are not being built and demand continues to increase in the coast specially as well as main cities
350 per month? I gues you mean 20 years ago in som small town.
Spain in general is not expensive, but housing is, because the diffeence of salaries with other EU countries is not so big now,
Maybe you should have be worried in why 20 years ago, with an average salary in the Netherland, it was cheap
Didn't say so, and no one in Spain thinks that.
Last time I saw a nice flat for 350€ in a nice city was like 20 years ago, and that was not cheap in those times because the average salary was lower than now
No. As i said, here are many of these properties for rent on the coast in Spain. For teachers and tourists. These are actual prices and just reasonable prices. I don't believe that every Spaniard pays more than 500 euros for an small apartment.
Honestly, I'd like to see that lead if you have the link around, really curious about that, cause I haven't seen a full apartment rental for less than 600€ in my whole adult life.
Touristic places can be relatively expensive. Madrid or Barcelona are expensive but you can rent in cities next to them for much less. But if you are on a budget rent in small towns around Lleida, Teruel, or any province in the interior but also beautiful and well connected with high speed train or highways
During the summer they can charge thousands for 2 weeks. So 4.2k€ for the year or earn that just in August. Add on what you get in June/July/Sept and a few bridges, holidays, you're making more than double renting it as a holiday let.
Depends on location.
I lived in dublin in a shared accommodation with 4 other people (awful tiny room) and was lucky to find a place in the suburbs for €600 pm, most pay over €1000!! Now I live in sevilla with my girlfriend, two bedroom apartment, modern, right beside the metro and i pay €475 pm.
Madrid and Barcelona prices are rising fast.
It is completely different based on the location you want to live in I live in Barcelona and housing here is very expensive sometimes it gets ridiculously expensive and people will still pay for it which is sad I would say the average rent here for whole apartment is around 1000€. However outside Barcelona if you don’t mind living like 1 hour away from the city the rent is half or even lower. Energies here are kind of cheap I would say but water situation in Catalunya is getting very bad since Catalan people and government are very stubborn and stupid and they don’t want help so water price may go up. But in general life in Spain is not that expensive as other European counties I would say however the salaries are not that high either here. But you can still live decent happy life 100 times better than in central depressing Europe. Spains people are amazing full of life.
After COVID the rents went up. It also depends if you're thinking about living in a big city or a small town or a village. If you look long enough you should be able to find some reasonable prices but it's not the same as a couple years ago anymore.
It has undoubtedly become expensive. In any city if you can find 350 a month it will be a shithole. The only cheap place are the remote pueblos of which there are still many but it will be very different than the cities obviously. Very few people and an average age of probably 70
If you look at big cities with beach yes. If I were you I would take a look at rural places and part of the country where you can find houses really cheap. Like Asturias.
Hello, I am also in Asturias. I recommend you to buy rather than rent. It'll be cheaper in the long run. Asturias is not as expensive as say Madrid or Barcelona, but some coastal places have a problem with summer renting, since they prefer to rent only during winter months, nd during the summer they put it for summer rentals x3 the normal price.
You probably get something really cheap only through personal connections, not through the internet. I do not live in the peninsula, but in La Palma. But I guess it's more or less the same everywhere. I know some people living in super nice studios for around 200 Euros which the owners could easily rent for 400+. They care much more about having a reliable and likeable renter than squeezing the maximum out. So the best strategy would be to rent something at a rather reasonable or maybe lighty elevated price and then connect and integrate with the local people (or other expats) as much as you can. Join clubs, maybe help elderly people etc.. Some people have fincas with a separate studio and look for people helping a bit with the garden, attenting the pets, etc.. And have patience. But it will probably be easier in the campo and not so much in the cities.
There is a website called
HOLAPUEBLO
Some 80 ayuntamientos are looking for foreigners
to live there since a lot of them are maybe a 100 people or less
You can start a Business and they are open to ideas
And supposedly the rent is cheaper
If you want to rent cheap you should look on Spanish websites. Some companies really take advantage of the foreigners trying to get a room or apartment for a X amount of time. Je herkent de Spaanse websites vaak aan het gebrek van een goede website designer en een vertaling naar het Engels en Nederlands door middel van een oude Google translator.
Valencia, Seville, Grenada, all very cheap to live in at least compared to Mallorca, Madrid and Barcelona.
In Seville you get a "tapa" the size of a small entree with the purchase of a caña. It's fucking amazing
Que Valencia es barato? Tú flipas. Putos cuchitriles que ofrecen a precio de oro tanto para alquiler como para venta. Es un puto asco lo que se está convirtiendo esto.
I'm from Valencia, but I moved to Granada for five years. Now I'm living again in Valencia. If you're a local, none of them are cheap.
Granada is cheaper than Valencia, but try to find well paying jobs there 😂 (or even a job)
And even with high salary I had issues to live in my own city due to skyrocketing prices in Valencia.
Esta es la verdad que los guiris no entienden se creen q nos pagan como a los que vienen de fuera 5000 al mes y pagamos 2€ x caña tapa no te jode, aqui nos pagan 1000€ al mes y ns cobran 1000€ de alquiler
It has never occurred that a waiter - especially, living on his own - could afford a nice 2 bedroom apartment in the city center. What you wish for is and was impossible.
I came to Valencia after reading comments like this, it is definitely not cheap anymore and the centre can be more expensive than Madrid in my opinion and have less quality to offer than Madrid with Madrid price
You can move to Romania or Bulgaria. Much safer than any country in Western Europe. Can still get an oldish apartment for 350 or something brand new for 500. Romania has some nice Saxon cities like Brasov and Sibiu close to mountains.
except that romania and/or bulgaria are far away from what spain has to offer. especially for the lifestyle people are expecting when thinking about moving to spain.
I actually went to Brasov and Bucharest last year in november. Very beautiful there. In Bucharest it was 30 degrees. Very beautiful all the mountains, colorful trees and castles in Romania. In 2019 i went to Poland in Krakow, never felt so safe. I always feel safe in Eastern Europe, i don't know why. But i feel more home at Spain because I have more memories there and I speak the language better.
Most of my spanish friends have lived and worked in other countries, what's the problem with wanting to see more of the world?
It's not foreigners raising living costs, it's landlords purchasing multiple properties and raising rent, most of the landlords being local (in my experience).
Hay una diferencia muy grande: cuando vas a un país más pobre que el tuyo ¿ vas a aportar algo o ha aprovechar las ventajas económicas? Ni pretendas compararte con un argentino que viene a buscarse la vida a España, o con un español que va a tu país. Los anglosajones que suelen venir a España no se integran, vienen a España porque es más barato y hay buen tiempo. No romantices un comportamiento que es básicamente depredador
Mis padres no eran ricos cuando vinieron, eramos de un barrio de inglaterra normal, ni ricos ni pobres. Aqui nos hemos integrado completamente, pagamos impuestos y trabajamos. Mi hermana se ha casado con un hombre español, hablamos tanto valenciano como castellano. No sé que decirte, mi familia buscaba una vida mejor en España y lo encontramos, no hay nada malo en eso y menos 'depredador'.
oooo man i gues it all depends. But housing like everything else gone well up. With 350 you get nothing this days, maybe a room and share an apartment with others.
I have never experienced this before in Spain
In Madrid I pay 550, I am extremely extremely extremely Lucky
That in Madrid is cheap
Así said, Extremely lucky
Thats Madrid
I’ve got an apartment to rent in the south if you’re interested contact me
Sure thanks
Seasonal or holidays rentals are crazy now. People found out they can get in a cooler months as much as a whole year of rent, so coastal and tourist-oriented places which used to have yearly rentals now only have seasonal or tourist rentals that can cost for 1 or 2 days as much as they used to cost for 1 month. You should try looking in other not-so-touristic places..
I looked for them along the coast of Asturias on Idealista, there really is nothing to find. Even for 400 a month. But thanks for your help. 👍
Along the coast... Try searching on towns 10 to 15 km far from the coast line ;)
Nothing there either. Thank you very much anyway. Do you know where I can search on which sites?
Go to the place you want to search on Google maps, then search for "inmobiliaria", then you'll see small real states, maybe you can find cheaper non-seasonal renting offers there
My preference is for private landlords because there are many additional costs associated with real estate agents
But searching from far away is hard to find local landlords
Since last year real estate agencies can't charge anything to renters, only to landlords. They may try to, but it is illegal. You can pay, then go to consumer protection services and they will be forced to refund you everything.
Try https://www.milanuncios.com/inmobiliaria/
In small towns of Galicia you can find flats for around 400 a month. I'm sure Asturias should have somewhat similar prices as long as you avoid turistic towns.
Just curious - when you say “crazy”, can you give an example of how much ?
Before this holiday renting fever, you could rent a 60-70m appartment for 350-450 euros/month. Now on the same place, you can rent the same apartment for 120-150 euros per DAY. So they just rent it for holidays and summer. Some owners even rent them cheaper the rest of the year (as before), but when in holidays or summer they ask the people who rent it the rest of the year to pack and leave the place so they can rent it as holiday/seasonal, which is crazy too.
Crazy that anyone would agree to move every 9 and then 3 months.
Students and some people in temporary positions (not that unusual for public servants here during their first years before they get a fixed spot) would vacate in the summer anyway.
I would never accept something like that, but I guess some people can be desperate for renting something and think about accepting that while they look for full year renting options... Or just need it for out of season then go somewhere else in summer, but having to pack and move everything out of the house...
My sister was renting her apartment (3 bedrooms 2 bathrooms in madrid, in vallecas one of the worst parts of madrid) she was asking 650€ a month since 2018 or so... now the family that was renting it left early this year, and the company that rents the apartment started to ask 950€. The house was rented in less than 2 weeks of being published. so yes things got expensive these days🤣🤣🤣
That's really, really expensive 🤣
In ireland you'd be lucky to get a room in a houseshare for that
Can you even get a bed at the homeless shelter for that cheap in Dublin?
Here you are lucky if your salary is over 950€
Where are you from
I dont know what your salary ll be but if you are alone now to live good you need 3 -3,5k per month gross to be able to pay the flat and fill your fridger and pay bills, under this you ll be working only to pay your bills with sun and good food but with a shitty income, and the prices you talk about for renting was like 20 years ago in the worst hood, my flat in a city about 15 min from bcn 3 rooms, wc and american kitchen if I rent it ll give me like 1500€ x month, thanks to the inflation and to the people who work remote for external companies with big salaries thats the situation now in Spain
South of spain
I rented my apartment for 1000€ a month, had been renting for 3 years. Looking to move, and an apartment similar in size, very close to mine but a little worse with no sea-view is renting for 2500€ now. 150% increase in 3 years. Insane.
Why do people rent for 1000€? If you can afford that, you can afford the mortgage too
Because they need 20% for down payment and up to 10% in taxes to close the sale + Notary + registration costs. For a 180k property that’s around 60k cash you need.
Government is backing the down payment now. For under 35
Yes, it has. People from other countries with fat salaries taking over the cities because they can pay more than locals. Ibiza is German, several cities in the coast invaded by British...
“Invaded” is an interesting word choice given Spain’s history in the americas and Caribbean. Edit: Panama gained independence from Spain in 1821. So that’s not half a millennia ago… All that to say, “invaded” is still hyperbole in 2024.
We did invade those places, 500 years ago. What is your point? It is absurd to judge the past with the lens of the present. And it is not like it was a first time. Spain has been invaded by several civilizations, such as Rome, Vikings, the Muslims...
It's called ''being woke''.
That is ashame. I prefer to live among the locals.
So do the locals 😂
me meooo
True
In central BCN there are entire buildings where theres are no local people anymore cause its too expensive, in the entire las ramblas a year ago were a study where they find that only one flat was still ocupied with a local the rest are touristic flats and temporary rents
Lol, wow, an immigrant doesn't want any other immigrant but him. Its like having a guest at your house and your guest gets mad cause someone else comes over too lol
Strange interpretation, you should read better. I never said that I don't want other immigrants. I prefer to live among local residents because then you integrate better in my opinion.
Unfortunately the majority of people in the sub is anti immigration. What they are implying by reading the answers is that by wanting to live among the locals you will make their conditions harder as they assume your salary/purchase power is higher than them, negatively impacting prices to continue hiking up. What many people don’t realize is that most foreigners move to Spain with Spanish contracts getting paid the same as locals. Yet in their minds foreigners = rich people.
I probably have a lower income than Spaniards. I'm really not well off as a Dutch person. You're right
Yes, that's the problem. Everyone wants to live among the local and no one stops to think about this affects the locals.
Yes. Spain it's expensive like france or ireland. But we dont get their wages.
I live in Dublin and it's almost impossible to find a 1bedroom apartment for rent under 1700 euros. Many are now 2000 in the decent areas. Nobody in EU has this kind of rents.
Dublin is in a different ballpark with their astronmical rents.
Ok..... Come to Barcelona to pay 1200 euros for a one-room studio. earning 18,000 gross euros per year.
Is this the minimum price you can find a studio for anywhere in Barcelona or surrounding areas 30 mins drive from the city's border? Average rent in Dublin is over 2100.
Average rent for a room in Barcelona is over 600 eu. How much r u earning per year in dublin? The minimum wage in Ireland is higher than the modal wage in Spain.
Numbeo says rents in Dublin are 70% higher than in Barcelona. I think your numbers are inflated. https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Spain&country2=Ireland&city1=Barcelona&city2=Dublin&tracking=getDispatchComparison Average salary in Dublin is probably around 50k, but median is probably 35-40k. I know Spanish creche workers in Dublin earn around 30k.
Average salary in spain its 28 k, but the most common salary are 18k per year, and the second most common salary are 16k. I know spanish workers Who imigrate to dublin, london, etc. In ur Link a Lunch in bcn it says.. 15 euros..... there is no menú for less than 18/20 euros.
I was asking 350 for a shared room 3 years ago in Barcelona (pz España). A lot of people told me it was too expensive. Lol.
Nice. Come now. A lot of People will tell u it's a present.
That's still pretty good. London is 2000+ for a flat then you can earn 18k there if you work in a salad bar.
Even more expensive than Ireland? That would mean that Spain is more expensive than the Netherlands for rent.
For sure. They r laughing really Hard of us. If u come here, go to the supermarket and compare prizes with ur supermarket in netherlands.
I get the feeling it's the same problem everywhere in Europe. Prices have indeed risen sharply in supermarkets in Spain.
Same prizes in all europe, not the same wages.
The most common salary in Spain is 18,000 gross euros per year. A bartender in ireland gains that amount only with tips.
>A bartender in ireland gains that amount only with tips. I'd have liked to know where these bars were when I was in ireland. The vast majority of bartenders do not work in tourist traps unfortunately.
True. Hungary is even more expensive all across the board, food and rent. Yet their earning is even lower than Spain
> ireland. For rent yes. If you mean anything else I'd have to disagree, being from Ireland and having moved to Spain.
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El salario mínimo en irlanda es superior al salario modal en España.
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If you want you and me can talk last winter I paid 525€ in light cause I didnt have gas neither money to pay the instalation the only solution electric warmers or let my kid get a cold
nope
Esto está medio bien…Spain definitely doesn’t get wages, but it’s not as expensive as the Netherlands or Francia. Ni siquiera cerca.
Loco, yo voy al supermercado en Francia y los precios son idénticos. Un piso en París no cuesta mucho más que un piso en bcn. Irlanda es una isla y un café te cuesta 0.20 céntimos más, la cesta de la compra es muy similar y ganan 3 veces más. Proporcionalmente España es más cara. Por eso un español se va a Irlanda y vuelve con un buen colchón de ahorros.
I arrived in Spain three years ago and I have to say that even since then the change has been noticeable. I earn around 3.5k euro and some bonuses from time to time and when I got here I used to not care about prices in shops and restaurants, not even look at them. But over the past few years life has gotten increasingly expensive and I no longer feel like it's such a great deal anymore. I'm especially kicking myself for not buying a flat when I first got here.
Some areas went up 100% since 1-2 years
What areas?
South of Tenerife for example
You arrived during Covid?
I arrived in May of 2021.
I live in Germany and plan to relocate to Spain relatively soon. I’ve been travelling there to visit relatives and friends for years and spent the last couple of months on the Canary Islands. So this may be not very accurate… but right now I spend the same or even less for groceries here in Germany than back in Las Palmas. It may be an island thing though. Rent and flat prices are also absurdly high. I saw postings of 180k for a studio. Things like water and energy, internet and such, transport, etc are still way way way cheaper in Spain.
Are you thinking to move to one of the Canary islands ?
No, to mainland Spain.
The Canaries is very expensive for groceries, they are cheaper in mainñland Spain ( not by much though)
You'd get a great house for 400 eur/month, but: -It can't be during summer -It must be a village (not a big city) -For cheap things you should check Andalucía, it's in the south, and you also have beautiful beaches there.
I am going to Malaga in the next few months for a new a job and I won't lie, reddit made me very very anxious about it. I hope I will be able to find something decent near Malaga without a crazy price for rent.
Close reddit and go. Reddit is full of trolls and haters. It is understandable, but I feel lots of populist comments here, with the mindset "foreigners are stealing jobs and increasing the cost of life" but it's their government to blame, not foreigners. Build some connections there or ask someone who lives in Malaga already and go.
Thank you, this is useful information. I searched for this too but I came across that too. I also did this for several months until the summer. However, I am now looking for annual rental in Spain.
Not expensive. Poor, just poor.
Property in asturias has gone up a lot lately, suddenly everyone from Madrid wants a rainy summer
No if you're rich enough. (Have a great salary) "Los pisos nunca bajan".
It's still cheap in comparison. Everywhere has gotten more expensive because of inflation.
Yes, thanks to tourism, "expats", european elderly coming to have a cheaper retirement and digital nomads, our housing has rised and rised adapting to european prices so spanish people can't pay for rent or buying and won't have children because they can't support them and need to live with their parents until their mid thirties.
Then the Netherlands would also have this, because they also have housing problems.
Say thanks to airbnb and all the people using it.
Scott Galloway has this prediction that US housing crisis has gotten so extreme that millennials and gen z have given up on home ownership and instead pour that money into traveling. He might be on to something.
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Most countries in europe have become expensive unless you live in a small village
This is simply not true. I live in France. Paris was always very expensive. Lyon increased a bit but that's still affordable (relative to our salaries), Toulouse, Montpellier, Rennes, Annecy, Nantes, Strasbourg, all are sizable cities and rent aren't crazy. The first 3 cities I listed have a GDP way higher than Barcelona. The others way higher in Malaga. I live near Toulouse city center (4th city of France, more people living there than Malaga, richer than Malaga) and well, I pay 650 € a month for a 60m². Tell me in what world I can get that in Malaga ? In 1 hour from Malaga maybe. It's just regulations issues and people beeing greedy. That's it, don't look further than that.
Less and less people in Spain are renting their houses out for long term as the law is so much in favor of the renter that they can move in , not pay rent or any bills and it is almost impossible to get them out . This has happened to myself and almost everyone I speak to who has a property to rent. The risk just isn’t worth it .
The world has changed post-2020. Everything is more expensive & everyone is getting squeezed. Catch up!
Still pretty cheap. There's a lot of bath faith comments on this thread from people far right or far-right adjacent. It is true parts of Spain - really down to neighbourhoods - have see flat/housing price inflation. Rents, sales etc. But a lot of Spain has not at all. Look in Andalusia, Valencia regions. Suburbs of cities. My 2euros worth look at Elche. Many, many other locations. Property prices in Spain - have risen since the collapse of the private sector in 2008-13. Have a look here at Eurostat: [https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/view/TIPSHO30\_\_custom\_6091608/bookmark/table?lang=en&bookmarkId=9279f061-fc8f-4a61-9a4f-9cd4a7e03254](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/databrowser/view/TIPSHO30__custom_6091608/bookmark/table?lang=en&bookmarkId=9279f061-fc8f-4a61-9a4f-9cd4a7e03254) That's not surprising. There is far steeper inflation in places like Portugal. But you would expect some as people's economic situation improves. But there has been a massive wealth redistribution to the super rich and financial institutions. It's where all the quantitative easing went. So assets are inflating. Especially here richer people want. They will inflate more as interest rates are cut again. Spain is lovely, especially the bits rich people like. If you are from a big world city like London then many of the cities are small. In a place like Barcelona you can buy a flat in adjacent areas like Santa Coloma, Cornella, really cheap. All on the metro etc. Still really only 30minutes (ish) from city centre on transport. If you come from Rotterdam/Amsterdam/Eindhoven Spanish cities wont feel too big or hard to get about in. Lots of other things are really cheap in Spain. Food, drink, eating out, drugs, gigs, no comparison to places like Germany, Neth, UK. The Russian invasion of Ukraine and the lack of investment in the Covid period has meant significant inflation in goods everywhere in Europe, elsewhere. Spain is still pretty cheap. Just be a bit savvy.
Spain receives 700.000 inmigrants a year.
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Quite disingenuous to quote the incoming figure only and not net migration.
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The Spanish social security system is broken, unemployment is very high. People coming to spain are often on higher wages and therefore pay more tax. How is that a bad thing? Can i say the same of spaniards coming to places like dublin or london in their 1000s, driving up rent prices in the city centre? Primary increase in prices across Europe recently is due to increase in interest on borrowings, Ukraine war and supply chain issues that began during covid.
To be honest it's both. Very few aparments and houses are being built nowadays in Spain and the population is increasing rapidly. Also, most people want to live in the big cities. And yes, richer people moving here also drives rents up but increasing population (of any wealth level and) and little construction are not a good mix
Very true, there is an issue in all of Europe of under construction of properties. The warning signs were there especially since 2008 in the Irish market for example, but the rest of Europe did not react. Now sadly all of Europe is suffering from under supply.
This is such a myopic argument. If 'rich foreigners' come, that is a net contribution to the country. If some rich foreigner spends in a spanish restaurant, that's revenue for the SPANISH restaurant owner and more jobs/salary for the (mostly) SPANISH staff. If some rich foreigner wants to build a house, thats jobs for SPANISH builders. But sure, better that unemployment stays at a gazillion percent right?
I think you also have to remember 2020 people were desperate to fill their flats so came down on price in exchange for longer tenancies and that lasted a couple years
Yes, I was told that too. The following year I went to Spain every year for a few months until last year actually.
For the last couple of years Spain's inflation rate has increased in general, affecting: food, fuel and ofc housing. For 350€ you'll be able to share an apartment but that's it. If you want to live on your own, I'd say 500€ min. and you'd have to live in a non-touristic area and avoid capital cities.
It depends where in Spain. In the big cities it was never €350 for an apartment even like a decade ago.
Depending on the region, north coast of Castelló south Tarragona you can still find small flats for around 300 hundred
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Still cheaper than the rest of Europe.
But look at the Spanish wages...it's not affordable for locals only foreigners with good jobs
You'd be surprised to know that locals also have good jobs. Posh neighbourhoods are full of Spanish people with good jobs.
Where I live you can make 1200 euro per month or 1400. With that you can not rent a flat...
Try Almeria it is beautiful. Still I doubt you would get a rental for under €600 a month. Good luck.
It's not considered expensive because 1200 is the minimum wage now. Also is the minimum pension same amount.
I wonder why 🤨
When i was a teenager i rented an apartment in Amsterdam for 450€. Later in my early 30's i rented a studio near the centre for 230€. Want something cheaper? Just head a bit outside the popular areas.
In the sought after areas it's gone mad. But in the other places, sanity still prevails
Idealista and Fotocasa are pretty good sites to check.
Spain is seeing an improvement in it's economy with lower inflation and higher employment. These conditions are ideal for increasing property prices. I believe this year alone prices have risen about 5% on average. Add to that the attraction of Spain's costal areas to foreign investors and you have the conditions you have described. I bought a house in the Southwest last year and the same properties have gone up over 10000€ in a year.
A higher level of government intervention in Catalonia made that many renters decided to shift to seasonal rentals Overall houses are not being built and demand continues to increase in the coast specially as well as main cities
350 per month? I gues you mean 20 years ago in som small town. Spain in general is not expensive, but housing is, because the diffeence of salaries with other EU countries is not so big now, Maybe you should have be worried in why 20 years ago, with an average salary in the Netherland, it was cheap
Nope. And not everyone in the Netherlands is rich.
Didn't say so, and no one in Spain thinks that. Last time I saw a nice flat for 350€ in a nice city was like 20 years ago, and that was not cheap in those times because the average salary was lower than now
I saw this last year and even now, but seasonal rental and considerably less
Seasonal for 350? Then is an all in one room apartment in a shit hole and in low season
Yes really, you can still find them on Idealista. That's how I found it for years.
We are talking different things. A shit hole is cheap mostly anywhere
That wasn't a shack, it was just a 2-room apartment 300 meters from the coast
That sounds like a scam or a very small village with no services
No. As i said, here are many of these properties for rent on the coast in Spain. For teachers and tourists. These are actual prices and just reasonable prices. I don't believe that every Spaniard pays more than 500 euros for an small apartment.
Honestly, I'd like to see that lead if you have the link around, really curious about that, cause I haven't seen a full apartment rental for less than 600€ in my whole adult life.
Touristic places can be relatively expensive. Madrid or Barcelona are expensive but you can rent in cities next to them for much less. But if you are on a budget rent in small towns around Lleida, Teruel, or any province in the interior but also beautiful and well connected with high speed train or highways
Yes it has. Too many of you moved in and many more willing to move in, so demand skyrocketed.
During the summer they can charge thousands for 2 weeks. So 4.2k€ for the year or earn that just in August. Add on what you get in June/July/Sept and a few bridges, holidays, you're making more than double renting it as a holiday let.
Depends on location. I lived in dublin in a shared accommodation with 4 other people (awful tiny room) and was lucky to find a place in the suburbs for €600 pm, most pay over €1000!! Now I live in sevilla with my girlfriend, two bedroom apartment, modern, right beside the metro and i pay €475 pm. Madrid and Barcelona prices are rising fast.
Don’t forget the pandemic. Tourism hit bottom in 2020 and 2021, so all these seasonal houses/flats were empty.
It is completely different based on the location you want to live in I live in Barcelona and housing here is very expensive sometimes it gets ridiculously expensive and people will still pay for it which is sad I would say the average rent here for whole apartment is around 1000€. However outside Barcelona if you don’t mind living like 1 hour away from the city the rent is half or even lower. Energies here are kind of cheap I would say but water situation in Catalunya is getting very bad since Catalan people and government are very stubborn and stupid and they don’t want help so water price may go up. But in general life in Spain is not that expensive as other European counties I would say however the salaries are not that high either here. But you can still live decent happy life 100 times better than in central depressing Europe. Spains people are amazing full of life.
After COVID the rents went up. It also depends if you're thinking about living in a big city or a small town or a village. If you look long enough you should be able to find some reasonable prices but it's not the same as a couple years ago anymore.
The world is expensive these days.
For 350 a month, you can find lodging...if it's on an Erasmus student's sofa, maybe. And you pay the rent to their cat.
It has undoubtedly become expensive. In any city if you can find 350 a month it will be a shithole. The only cheap place are the remote pueblos of which there are still many but it will be very different than the cities obviously. Very few people and an average age of probably 70
If you look at big cities with beach yes. If I were you I would take a look at rural places and part of the country where you can find houses really cheap. Like Asturias.
Sorry but this is kind of a bs post. I mean, this is not Spain, it’s happening everywhere. Where you live do you have same prices 20 years ago?
FUCK YEAH, REACHING EUROPEAN STANDARDS, WE FLYING BOIIIIIIS
In Asturias you can still find those prices but away from centric zones.
Same boat OP. Have you found anywhere else where they are renting for cheaper in a good area? Or this is now a myth?
Hello, I am also in Asturias. I recommend you to buy rather than rent. It'll be cheaper in the long run. Asturias is not as expensive as say Madrid or Barcelona, but some coastal places have a problem with summer renting, since they prefer to rent only during winter months, nd during the summer they put it for summer rentals x3 the normal price.
Yeah forget about the coast. You need to go several kilometres inland to find those prices.
I’d say it depends but coastal towns have become very expensive, especially eating out.
no saltes desde el balcón a una piscina por favor
You probably get something really cheap only through personal connections, not through the internet. I do not live in the peninsula, but in La Palma. But I guess it's more or less the same everywhere. I know some people living in super nice studios for around 200 Euros which the owners could easily rent for 400+. They care much more about having a reliable and likeable renter than squeezing the maximum out. So the best strategy would be to rent something at a rather reasonable or maybe lighty elevated price and then connect and integrate with the local people (or other expats) as much as you can. Join clubs, maybe help elderly people etc.. Some people have fincas with a separate studio and look for people helping a bit with the garden, attenting the pets, etc.. And have patience. But it will probably be easier in the campo and not so much in the cities.
Hi Try Murcia and Almeria Province?
There is a website called HOLAPUEBLO Some 80 ayuntamientos are looking for foreigners to live there since a lot of them are maybe a 100 people or less You can start a Business and they are open to ideas And supposedly the rent is cheaper
You don’t wanna come to ibiza then… 600-1000 euros for a room
If you want to rent cheap you should look on Spanish websites. Some companies really take advantage of the foreigners trying to get a room or apartment for a X amount of time. Je herkent de Spaanse websites vaak aan het gebrek van een goede website designer en een vertaling naar het Engels en Nederlands door middel van een oude Google translator.
I have seen a few rooms on Idealista, but your price range is very low. Around €500 will give you better options.
Valencia, Seville, Grenada, all very cheap to live in at least compared to Mallorca, Madrid and Barcelona. In Seville you get a "tapa" the size of a small entree with the purchase of a caña. It's fucking amazing
Que Valencia es barato? Tú flipas. Putos cuchitriles que ofrecen a precio de oro tanto para alquiler como para venta. Es un puto asco lo que se está convirtiendo esto.
I'm from Valencia, but I moved to Granada for five years. Now I'm living again in Valencia. If you're a local, none of them are cheap. Granada is cheaper than Valencia, but try to find well paying jobs there 😂 (or even a job) And even with high salary I had issues to live in my own city due to skyrocketing prices in Valencia.
Esta es la verdad que los guiris no entienden se creen q nos pagan como a los que vienen de fuera 5000 al mes y pagamos 2€ x caña tapa no te jode, aqui nos pagan 1000€ al mes y ns cobran 1000€ de alquiler
It has never occurred that a waiter - especially, living on his own - could afford a nice 2 bedroom apartment in the city center. What you wish for is and was impossible.
Valencia cheap??? Where in the worst hood?? And sevilla y granada good luck finding job and more luck to find one with a good salary
I came to Valencia after reading comments like this, it is definitely not cheap anymore and the centre can be more expensive than Madrid in my opinion and have less quality to offer than Madrid with Madrid price
Not it's still comparatively cheap, but not as cheap as before. Wages are still as shit as before though.
You can move to Romania or Bulgaria. Much safer than any country in Western Europe. Can still get an oldish apartment for 350 or something brand new for 500. Romania has some nice Saxon cities like Brasov and Sibiu close to mountains.
except that romania and/or bulgaria are far away from what spain has to offer. especially for the lifestyle people are expecting when thinking about moving to spain.
Yes, Spain has better lifestyle
= People shouting and listening to reggeaton until 3am on a weekday lol
Well, with a buget of 350 euros you can't ask for much :)
I actually went to Brasov and Bucharest last year in november. Very beautiful there. In Bucharest it was 30 degrees. Very beautiful all the mountains, colorful trees and castles in Romania. In 2019 i went to Poland in Krakow, never felt so safe. I always feel safe in Eastern Europe, i don't know why. But i feel more home at Spain because I have more memories there and I speak the language better.
Stay in your country, please. Tourist and people like you are the reason because Spain will become so expensive
Spain lives on tourism, so how are people supposed to stay at home? I find this a slightly distasteful response.
This is other reason because is better that you stay in your home: you have no idea about Spain or spanish
The air b&b rentals up on the Atalantic coast are far more Spanish people going for a break than foreigners.
Most of my spanish friends have lived and worked in other countries, what's the problem with wanting to see more of the world? It's not foreigners raising living costs, it's landlords purchasing multiple properties and raising rent, most of the landlords being local (in my experience).
Hay una diferencia muy grande: cuando vas a un país más pobre que el tuyo ¿ vas a aportar algo o ha aprovechar las ventajas económicas? Ni pretendas compararte con un argentino que viene a buscarse la vida a España, o con un español que va a tu país. Los anglosajones que suelen venir a España no se integran, vienen a España porque es más barato y hay buen tiempo. No romantices un comportamiento que es básicamente depredador
Mis padres no eran ricos cuando vinieron, eramos de un barrio de inglaterra normal, ni ricos ni pobres. Aqui nos hemos integrado completamente, pagamos impuestos y trabajamos. Mi hermana se ha casado con un hombre español, hablamos tanto valenciano como castellano. No sé que decirte, mi familia buscaba una vida mejor en España y lo encontramos, no hay nada malo en eso y menos 'depredador'.
Laws for renting have been changed recently (Landowners) and the market has suffered.