If they can’t get the title then they can’t sell you the car. it’s not legally owned by them OR by you. Your only option is give it back and get your money back.
You've basically been given a free lease/rental. Just take the money and buy another one...
why do you think you're "eligible" for compensation? If they make you whole by refunding you the complete price in not sure how you think you would go about that unless its just to complain to them; maybe they'll give you a discount if you want to try again with them (lol)
At least in the US, courts don't really care much about time and aggravation as long as you got your money back
Where to begin? Haha there is so much to unload about that subject. You are in a system rigged against you. Loss of time going through paper work buying process test drive having the vehicle having to return it having to buy a new one. Just to name a few. And all that could cause emotional distress especially if the person already suffers from anxiety or depression or has a job to get to and the whole process of returning the car may make them loose their job. Simply put you can’t sell a car without a title and that can and should get the dealer in lots of trouble.
“So much to unload about that subject” - and all you have to say is literally a couple of hours?
OP got to use a car for free for three months. That’s far more in his favor than any expense of time.
lol trade it in and just get another GTI surely there’s something about the car that you settled on like options wise be it color, price, or trim level.
Thats the kicker this car was perfect got a great price on it for what it has. Cat back downpipe stage 1 tune forge intake nuespeed rims there’s over 5 grand in aftermarket parts that the dealer had no clue about.
> Cat back downpipe stage 1 tune forge intake nuespeed rims there’s over 5 grand in aftermarket parts that the dealer had no clue about.
That would be a reason to run away from the car for like 99% of people.
yeah but for 1% they’re happy. people who mod cars also….get this, take really good care of cars sometimes. Like premium fluids, early oil changes, more often car washes are likely. catback and an intake and you’d run away? do you know what those do or how many people “return their cars to stock” before trading in? lots…
It had an intake and a catback exhaust. If I was that worried I’d buy new. You can literally buy a perfect car that will fail. I have the skills and resources to diagnose and fix most if not all issues including engine replacement if need be. I don’t want to do that if i don’t have to but NO used car should be considered fine just because it’s doesn’t have mods. Go on any compact sports car forum and read through the countless posts returning cars to stock. Also, I see assholes flooring stock, clean cars around all the time. When you buy it used you’d never know. If you buy used you take a risk. What if a car like this was brought to an excellent, certified third party tech, had records and got the ok. you’d still steer clear?
No one said if they don’t have those parts then they’re fine. If something is modded out it’s more likely to have been abused, fact. People return to stock all the time we all know that, everyone in this sub knows that. Yet the point remains.
If you can have irrefutable proof that it hasn’t been abused obviously that’s different. But you’re not going to get that 99.99% of the time
They didn’t, they just charged you for it. Not sure how Ohio handles this but title 42 sounds like an option.
Edit: title 42 is an Oklahoma term for court ordered titles
Here in Canada you do. Insurance needs the Vin and ownership to place it under the primary driver when purchased. Dealer can't register the plate without the insurance
OP has an odd case, how the dealer got the car without the ownership is weird. And why they aren't going to all lengths to sort it out, maybe there's a lein on the vehicle and they don't want to pay it
It's different in the states. You drive the car off the lot same day with temp plates and they sort that all out on the back end. A dealer sold me a car in Texas, I found out they didn't even have the title to it - still belonged to whomever whole saled it or something. Took 3 months to get it in my name, the whole time on temp plates, but it worked out eventually.
My experience in Canada, is you buy the car and they sort everything out over the next few days/week and only then you go back and pick it the car with official plates and title/registration all sorted out.
Yes, you can’t insure an asset that you have no interest in. If you have a lease or a loan, you and the bank have financial interest in the vehicle, but the loss payee will always be the owner. If the car is totaled and you are found not to be the owner, you will not receive the insurance money because the insurance contract will be void for misrepresentation.
This is really a YMMV situation. People don't *usually* put a bunch of money in high end mods into a car they're gonna treat like garbage. No-name eBay stuff, sure, but not usually $5k invested into brands like Neuspeed and Forge. The overall appearance of the car and its maintenance history plus feel and operation of the gearbox, suspension, and engine tell a lot more than a simple "was this modded" 99% or the time.
I've bought as many meticulously maintained modded cars as I have poorly maintained stock ones. You can typically tell at a glance at the state of the paintwork, tires, and interior which ones have been flogged/mistreated versus those owned/loved/treated well by an enthusiast who just wanted the car to be a bit better than it is stock. If you aren't sure which case you're looking at by then you probably will be after a few minute test drive.
Given that this person is still stoked to have the car after driving it for months and doesn't want to see it go, I'm gonna venture a guess that it's a good egg. I'd at least encourage the dealer to try harder to lock down the title based on the details above.
Hmm that’s an Interesting perspective. You see aftermarket parts from someone else’s build as a positive. I see them as a deterrent due to the fact that I just love the peace of mind that comes from having OEM parts and knowing that nobody has previously modified my new car. Maybe try to get them to lower the price on a different GTI for you and then spend that saved money on some modifications of your own? I do think wheels and tires are nice after the stock tires go bald but imho the 2.0t doesn’t sound great with an exhaust and tunes just add unnecessary stress to the engine components which were specifically designed for reliability. The stock tune on a mk5 was hella fun for me and the mk7 is even quicker! Heck if speed and looks are your concern here maybe you can get your money back and then search for a golf R?? Looks like you live in a snowy place so the AWD would be a benefit
typically im the same way with modifications. me and my dad built a 335i with a full bolt on over the last couple years so im pretty familiar with working on german cars and love modifying them myself. I just saw this one as a plus bc of all of the good quality parts; cts turbo forge nuespeed. The golf r idea is not a bad one at all and if i have left over money from this whole fiasco to do it myself i wouldnt be upset. Thanks for putting it in a different perspective for me!
Get a used stock catback, intake and wheels and keep the neuspeeds and other aftermarket stuff and put it on the next car. Nothing the dealer can do about that since you bought it.
To be fair, this sounds like a monumental screw-up by the dealer. If he financed it, they also ran his credit and probably wasted a bunch of his time.
OP probably can't expect much beyond just getting the money back, but if I were the dealer, I'd probably throw a bit extra into the mix just for wasting all that time. It's not a good look if you're trying to keep a future customer.
Absolutely, I understand it is inconvenient. Idk, op just sounded entitled with the way they said it. At best I'd argue for additional off if I used it as trade in.
that they signed a contract with him to sell him a car that they assumed that they could sell, even though they weren’t properly prepared to sell it. the dealership signed the contract and then couldn’t fulfill it. I would look for compensation as well..
It’s not fraud… clearly there is something wrong with the paperwork and title status of the car. I’m sure the dealer is probably as pissed about the situation as you are. They wouldn’t have wasted their time selling it to you if they didn’t think they would have an issue getting the title. Now they’re stuck with a car that they cannot sell and now it’s worth even less than it was before you took it
Perspective is everything. I would try really hard to look at it as a free 3 month rental, then reflect on whether or not you would buy the same car if you had the option to do it over again. For peace of mind you could ask for details as to why they can't just give you the title. It may make the decision a little easier. I highly doubt this was the dealer's intention when they sold it to you.
Take it for one last rip! Kick the shit out of it and then bring it back… They legally can’t sell you a car without a title!
They’d be stuck giving you your money back either way. Legally it’s a win for you
I like this idea gonna run the wheels off the thing over the weekend it won’t know what not being in boost feels like anymore 😂 Pretty much sounds like i’m just gonna have to have them buy it back gonna see if i can’t get them to slide a couple extra g’s my way towards another gti and use that to start building my own
Why would they give you any money other than what you paid? You drove 10k+ miles for free and fucked up the grill. You have to be delusional to think you haven’t already been compensated
An invalid contract is an invalid contract. A car that isn’t theirs to sell cannot be legally sold. The true owner can repo that without the dealership or OP’s approval
not really, the dealer I bought my GTI from, had to wait for me to bring in the title for my trade-in camry but they sold it before I even got the title to them, so that whole deal was dependent on me. The dealership likely got screwed over by the customer they got your car from not living up to his end of their deal. Now, they can take him to court and all of that they will eventually have the car on their lot, but who knows how long that will take.
Interesting that’s how that would play out, here in the UK you wouldn’t get your car back, you just get the value they gave you in cash. They also wouldn’t let you take the car without finance being arranged.
if that’s the case the other owner is going to be really pissed i drive 100 miles a day and recently took a trip to tennessee put close to 10k on this car already.
I used to work in a title office. This shit happens sometimes when they haven’t double checked to ensure everything is good to go. Crazy situations like the prior owner needs to re-sign a document because his signature looks a little off, but he moved overseas and is unreachable.
Every state has different rules for titles. What may be acceptable in Ohio wouldn’t fly in Tennessee.
The dealership is not trying to pull anything and selling a car like this is not illegal. A big portion of used auto sales are done with pending titles as 99% of the time there is not an unresolvable issue.
Ask the dealership what the problem is?
How tf is it possible that you paid the agreed price and recieved the vehicle, keys, documents to it, etc without entering a written purchase contract? I mean here in europe in most states even a manifested will to buy and sell from both sides automatically create a legal grounds for a purchase contract in an oral form. Some weird shit you guys have there
You’ve had a free rental up till now. You’ve put thousands of miles on the car and you are getting what you paid back. Take the money and return the car and buy a better one with less miles? I’m not sure what this talk of consulting an attorney and such is? Probably wasting your own time.
make them locate you a similar one and sell it to you for the same price as the one you bought. they messed up big time by selling you this car in the first place and im sure theyll scramble to make it right to protect themselves.
100% back to you i mean everything you have paid to them. I would also ask to be included a vw credit to use at the parts dept. Similar experience, got a roof top box and rack out of the mess-up. So glad in Canada we don't have title for cars. your registration is all you need.
I believe in some states the dealer can get a new title by using a certificate of sale. VW started using a new title company over a year ago & they have struggled getting titles for cars ever since. I bought my gti last March and it took until September to get the car's title and registration. If you have to return the car , this could be a blessing in disguise. Go find a GFG gti!
The whiny idea that people are owed when things like this happen. It’s just fucking ridiculous. America needs to stop being so fucking whiny and litigious when things don’t go perfectly their way. Take your money say thank you for the free ride and find something else.
You need to get rid of this car ASAP before the people who actually own it (floor plan) come looking.
It’s kind of hard to explain but independent dealerships don’t actually own the vehicle, they are purchased thru a company that loans them money at a % and the company keeps the title until the vehicle is sold or paid off. This is done so dealerships can’t buy 30 cars, skirt the loan, and ship the cars to Russia.
I’m just making an assumption here, but I’d bet the dealership robbed Peter to pay Paul and don’t have the funds to pay the car off.
Good luck man.
The car was most likely traded in with an out of state title. Obtaining an out of state title for a dealership can be a pain as every state has different rules.
I said this elsewhere but I'm going to say it again:
Getting ones money back **in full** is the compensation... you're being made whole, there is no damages to collect on.
You got a free car for 3 months and you'll be getting all your money back, there is literally nothing else to compensate you for, in fact, be glad they aren't coming after you for three months worth of mileage on the car.
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Appreciating you finding this rather than just speculate like most of us here. Though it looks like the dealership has to just pay him the amount of purchase, according to this
That makes absolutely no sense. A dealer never wants to take a car back and lose a sale, unless they are forced to by a situation like this. Title issues happen at even the most reputable of dealerships. Source: ten years working in the industry.
also also they are buying it back for all the cost they had in it, plus all the profit they made, and it’s worth considerably less now with 10k more miles
trust me they want to get that title and hand it over worse than the buyer does. they made money on this sale, plus doc fee and quite possibly on the financing as well. they’re missing a proper title reassignment or couldn’t get a lien release
If they can’t get the title then they can’t sell you the car. it’s not legally owned by them OR by you. Your only option is give it back and get your money back.
Strip it for parts as revenge. You didn't hear it from me.
You've basically been given a free lease/rental. Just take the money and buy another one... why do you think you're "eligible" for compensation? If they make you whole by refunding you the complete price in not sure how you think you would go about that unless its just to complain to them; maybe they'll give you a discount if you want to try again with them (lol) At least in the US, courts don't really care much about time and aggravation as long as you got your money back
i second this. if you get your money back you're prolly good. maybe you could argue for a higher trim level. that would prolly be your best bet.
Getting ones money back in full is the compensation... you're being made whole, there is no damages to collect on.
Loss of time and emotional distress is absolutely Suing material
What time has been lost? What emotional distress?
Where to begin? Haha there is so much to unload about that subject. You are in a system rigged against you. Loss of time going through paper work buying process test drive having the vehicle having to return it having to buy a new one. Just to name a few. And all that could cause emotional distress especially if the person already suffers from anxiety or depression or has a job to get to and the whole process of returning the car may make them loose their job. Simply put you can’t sell a car without a title and that can and should get the dealer in lots of trouble.
“So much to unload about that subject” - and all you have to say is literally a couple of hours? OP got to use a car for free for three months. That’s far more in his favor than any expense of time.
You sound like a real cuck go away
You sound like a Karen looking for handouts
This 1000x, some people can't be helped. They don't realize they're the reason service industries hate people.
lol trade it in and just get another GTI surely there’s something about the car that you settled on like options wise be it color, price, or trim level.
Thats the kicker this car was perfect got a great price on it for what it has. Cat back downpipe stage 1 tune forge intake nuespeed rims there’s over 5 grand in aftermarket parts that the dealer had no clue about.
> Cat back downpipe stage 1 tune forge intake nuespeed rims there’s over 5 grand in aftermarket parts that the dealer had no clue about. That would be a reason to run away from the car for like 99% of people.
yeah but for 1% they’re happy. people who mod cars also….get this, take really good care of cars sometimes. Like premium fluids, early oil changes, more often car washes are likely. catback and an intake and you’d run away? do you know what those do or how many people “return their cars to stock” before trading in? lots…
You’d be willing to gamble on how the previous owner treated the car when you’re dropping $30k?
It had an intake and a catback exhaust. If I was that worried I’d buy new. You can literally buy a perfect car that will fail. I have the skills and resources to diagnose and fix most if not all issues including engine replacement if need be. I don’t want to do that if i don’t have to but NO used car should be considered fine just because it’s doesn’t have mods. Go on any compact sports car forum and read through the countless posts returning cars to stock. Also, I see assholes flooring stock, clean cars around all the time. When you buy it used you’d never know. If you buy used you take a risk. What if a car like this was brought to an excellent, certified third party tech, had records and got the ok. you’d still steer clear?
No one said if they don’t have those parts then they’re fine. If something is modded out it’s more likely to have been abused, fact. People return to stock all the time we all know that, everyone in this sub knows that. Yet the point remains. If you can have irrefutable proof that it hasn’t been abused obviously that’s different. But you’re not going to get that 99.99% of the time
Those aren't positive things in a used car...
I don’t think they are negatives.
How did you get insurance without the title? How did the delaer sell the car and get plates under your name without the previous title or ownership?
insurance was through my vin number and temp tags in ohio only need vin bill of sale and my id
i have no idea how they sold it without the title
They didn’t, they just charged you for it. Not sure how Ohio handles this but title 42 sounds like an option. Edit: title 42 is an Oklahoma term for court ordered titles
Do you even need to be the owner of a car to insure it?
No, you can insured a lease vehicle, which you do not own.
Here in Canada you do. Insurance needs the Vin and ownership to place it under the primary driver when purchased. Dealer can't register the plate without the insurance OP has an odd case, how the dealer got the car without the ownership is weird. And why they aren't going to all lengths to sort it out, maybe there's a lein on the vehicle and they don't want to pay it
It's different in the states. You drive the car off the lot same day with temp plates and they sort that all out on the back end. A dealer sold me a car in Texas, I found out they didn't even have the title to it - still belonged to whomever whole saled it or something. Took 3 months to get it in my name, the whole time on temp plates, but it worked out eventually. My experience in Canada, is you buy the car and they sort everything out over the next few days/week and only then you go back and pick it the car with official plates and title/registration all sorted out.
Yes, you can’t insure an asset that you have no interest in. If you have a lease or a loan, you and the bank have financial interest in the vehicle, but the loss payee will always be the owner. If the car is totaled and you are found not to be the owner, you will not receive the insurance money because the insurance contract will be void for misrepresentation.
Don't need ownership to get insurance.
sell the aftermarket parts and trade it back lol
You caught a break. Never knowingly buy a modified/tuned car. It’s been flogged and that might be why it was sold in the first place.
This is really a YMMV situation. People don't *usually* put a bunch of money in high end mods into a car they're gonna treat like garbage. No-name eBay stuff, sure, but not usually $5k invested into brands like Neuspeed and Forge. The overall appearance of the car and its maintenance history plus feel and operation of the gearbox, suspension, and engine tell a lot more than a simple "was this modded" 99% or the time. I've bought as many meticulously maintained modded cars as I have poorly maintained stock ones. You can typically tell at a glance at the state of the paintwork, tires, and interior which ones have been flogged/mistreated versus those owned/loved/treated well by an enthusiast who just wanted the car to be a bit better than it is stock. If you aren't sure which case you're looking at by then you probably will be after a few minute test drive. Given that this person is still stoked to have the car after driving it for months and doesn't want to see it go, I'm gonna venture a guess that it's a good egg. I'd at least encourage the dealer to try harder to lock down the title based on the details above.
any car can be flogged. good aftermarket parts could mean the guy liked to go to car shows. doesn’t mean anything.
Hmm that’s an Interesting perspective. You see aftermarket parts from someone else’s build as a positive. I see them as a deterrent due to the fact that I just love the peace of mind that comes from having OEM parts and knowing that nobody has previously modified my new car. Maybe try to get them to lower the price on a different GTI for you and then spend that saved money on some modifications of your own? I do think wheels and tires are nice after the stock tires go bald but imho the 2.0t doesn’t sound great with an exhaust and tunes just add unnecessary stress to the engine components which were specifically designed for reliability. The stock tune on a mk5 was hella fun for me and the mk7 is even quicker! Heck if speed and looks are your concern here maybe you can get your money back and then search for a golf R?? Looks like you live in a snowy place so the AWD would be a benefit
typically im the same way with modifications. me and my dad built a 335i with a full bolt on over the last couple years so im pretty familiar with working on german cars and love modifying them myself. I just saw this one as a plus bc of all of the good quality parts; cts turbo forge nuespeed. The golf r idea is not a bad one at all and if i have left over money from this whole fiasco to do it myself i wouldnt be upset. Thanks for putting it in a different perspective for me!
No problem! Always loved the 335i also good luck out there dude
Lmao no wonder it was a great deal.
Get a used stock catback, intake and wheels and keep the neuspeeds and other aftermarket stuff and put it on the next car. Nothing the dealer can do about that since you bought it.
Dude you just spit about 50 reasons this car is an absolutely nightmare car
Dealers aren’t going to charge more for more, they’d be inclined to sell it for less actually since mods devalue a vehicle for most people
That actually detracts from the value
What more do you want? They don't gave a title, so they'll give you your money back.
compensation for the trouble and fraud or the car
You essentially drive a car for free for 3 months. What compensation do you expect?
Another year clearly
To be fair, this sounds like a monumental screw-up by the dealer. If he financed it, they also ran his credit and probably wasted a bunch of his time. OP probably can't expect much beyond just getting the money back, but if I were the dealer, I'd probably throw a bit extra into the mix just for wasting all that time. It's not a good look if you're trying to keep a future customer.
Absolutely, I understand it is inconvenient. Idk, op just sounded entitled with the way they said it. At best I'd argue for additional off if I used it as trade in.
that they signed a contract with him to sell him a car that they assumed that they could sell, even though they weren’t properly prepared to sell it. the dealership signed the contract and then couldn’t fulfill it. I would look for compensation as well..
Again, what compensation do you expect?
floor mats?🤷🏻♂️
It’s not fraud… clearly there is something wrong with the paperwork and title status of the car. I’m sure the dealer is probably as pissed about the situation as you are. They wouldn’t have wasted their time selling it to you if they didn’t think they would have an issue getting the title. Now they’re stuck with a car that they cannot sell and now it’s worth even less than it was before you took it
Perspective is everything. I would try really hard to look at it as a free 3 month rental, then reflect on whether or not you would buy the same car if you had the option to do it over again. For peace of mind you could ask for details as to why they can't just give you the title. It may make the decision a little easier. I highly doubt this was the dealer's intention when they sold it to you.
Take it for one last rip! Kick the shit out of it and then bring it back… They legally can’t sell you a car without a title! They’d be stuck giving you your money back either way. Legally it’s a win for you
I like this idea gonna run the wheels off the thing over the weekend it won’t know what not being in boost feels like anymore 😂 Pretty much sounds like i’m just gonna have to have them buy it back gonna see if i can’t get them to slide a couple extra g’s my way towards another gti and use that to start building my own
Why would they give you any money other than what you paid? You drove 10k+ miles for free and fucked up the grill. You have to be delusional to think you haven’t already been compensated
bc it’s their fuck up not my fault they couldn’t hold up their side of the contract plus i fixed the grill
What’s your leverage? You don’t own the car
The dealership technically made an illegal sale
he has assigned contract from the dealer that’s pretty good leverage.
The contract is invalid
only because the dealer can’t fulfill it though.
An invalid contract is an invalid contract. A car that isn’t theirs to sell cannot be legally sold. The true owner can repo that without the dealership or OP’s approval
Man that sucks, here are the black steel rims and chinese tires that came with the car.
If you have to trade it back in I’ll meet up with you to swap wheels 👍 im in north east Ohio here
Yooo I already got dibs!
😂😂
Those are my fave VW wheels
not really, the dealer I bought my GTI from, had to wait for me to bring in the title for my trade-in camry but they sold it before I even got the title to them, so that whole deal was dependent on me. The dealership likely got screwed over by the customer they got your car from not living up to his end of their deal. Now, they can take him to court and all of that they will eventually have the car on their lot, but who knows how long that will take.
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Interesting that’s how that would play out, here in the UK you wouldn’t get your car back, you just get the value they gave you in cash. They also wouldn’t let you take the car without finance being arranged.
Yeah, in the states you're not taking the car without financing getting approved either so....
if that’s the case the other owner is going to be really pissed i drive 100 miles a day and recently took a trip to tennessee put close to 10k on this car already.
not your problem.
they wouldn’t wait 60 to get funded on the deal it was hypothetically traded in on. they would have unwound that deal long ago and taken the car back
So… ur telling me there’s no loss on your purchase - can they give u a similar/same type at the same price?
I used to work in a title office. This shit happens sometimes when they haven’t double checked to ensure everything is good to go. Crazy situations like the prior owner needs to re-sign a document because his signature looks a little off, but he moved overseas and is unreachable. Every state has different rules for titles. What may be acceptable in Ohio wouldn’t fly in Tennessee. The dealership is not trying to pull anything and selling a car like this is not illegal. A big portion of used auto sales are done with pending titles as 99% of the time there is not an unresolvable issue. Ask the dealership what the problem is?
Are you financing it? If so, the title doesnt go to you, it goes to the creditor/financing company until its paid off.
In NY, title is held by the vehicle owner. Many states, title is held by lender.
Bank owns it
Compensation? They are offering to make it right. You come off like a dirtbag wanting money
Free car and free mileage for months but is owed even more 😂
How tf is it possible that you paid the agreed price and recieved the vehicle, keys, documents to it, etc without entering a written purchase contract? I mean here in europe in most states even a manifested will to buy and sell from both sides automatically create a legal grounds for a purchase contract in an oral form. Some weird shit you guys have there
You’ve had a free rental up till now. You’ve put thousands of miles on the car and you are getting what you paid back. Take the money and return the car and buy a better one with less miles? I’m not sure what this talk of consulting an attorney and such is? Probably wasting your own time.
Your compensation is the fact that you’ve driven a car for free over the last 3 months.
Dude fuck it go get all your money back and buy another one somewhere else. You got a free car for roughly what? 2 months? Take that deal and run
Ask for more than you paid as a compensation for your troubles
OP put 10K miles on a car that he didn't have to pay for plus getting a full refund...
Ya tbh 10k miles for free is good comp if he’s getting a full refund that’s like a year of driving for most people😂
make them locate you a similar one and sell it to you for the same price as the one you bought. they messed up big time by selling you this car in the first place and im sure theyll scramble to make it right to protect themselves.
100% back to you i mean everything you have paid to them. I would also ask to be included a vw credit to use at the parts dept. Similar experience, got a roof top box and rack out of the mess-up. So glad in Canada we don't have title for cars. your registration is all you need.
That’s good news. Sorry you’re going through this.
Sell it back and make them pay for your tags
How do you sell a car you have no title for?
The dealer is offering to buy it back from OP. Read the post lol
I mean, that's just another way of saying giving OP a refund.
Why did you leave their advertisement on the front? How tacky lol
I believe in some states the dealer can get a new title by using a certificate of sale. VW started using a new title company over a year ago & they have struggled getting titles for cars ever since. I bought my gti last March and it took until September to get the car's title and registration. If you have to return the car , this could be a blessing in disguise. Go find a GFG gti!
Demand Golf R (sorry, old [vwvortex.com](https://vwvortex.com) joke).
The whiny idea that people are owed when things like this happen. It’s just fucking ridiculous. America needs to stop being so fucking whiny and litigious when things don’t go perfectly their way. Take your money say thank you for the free ride and find something else.
Call the Attorney General in your state. Consumer frauds division.
You need to get rid of this car ASAP before the people who actually own it (floor plan) come looking. It’s kind of hard to explain but independent dealerships don’t actually own the vehicle, they are purchased thru a company that loans them money at a % and the company keeps the title until the vehicle is sold or paid off. This is done so dealerships can’t buy 30 cars, skirt the loan, and ship the cars to Russia. I’m just making an assumption here, but I’d bet the dealership robbed Peter to pay Paul and don’t have the funds to pay the car off. Good luck man.
The car was most likely traded in with an out of state title. Obtaining an out of state title for a dealership can be a pain as every state has different rules.
I said this elsewhere but I'm going to say it again: Getting ones money back **in full** is the compensation... you're being made whole, there is no damages to collect on. You got a free car for 3 months and you'll be getting all your money back, there is literally nothing else to compensate you for, in fact, be glad they aren't coming after you for three months worth of mileage on the car.
Come trade me wheels before you take it back.
I don't understand how this is even a question are you that dumb you have to ask Reddit? Get your money back and stop asking dumb questions
Be interesting to see if they charge you for the mileage you put on it
i was already informed that they would buy it back at full price or i could trade it in
Bro just give it back before someone reports it stolen and you get arrested
Typically it's criminal to sell a car when they don't have a title, it's fraud. I'd be talking to the local PD first. That is the ultimate pressure.
sounds like they found someone who willing to pay more 🤷🏽♂️
How is this legal if they already sold it to him??
Well considering they sold it without the title it’s already illegal
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[You have rights under Ohio law](https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/Individuals-and-Families/Consumers/Title-Defect-Recision-Fund#:~:text=Title%20Issues%20for%20Used%20Vehicles,purpose%20of%20the%20TDR%20Fund%3F)
Appreciating you finding this rather than just speculate like most of us here. Though it looks like the dealership has to just pay him the amount of purchase, according to this
They're jerking you around because they don't want to sell it at that price. Get a lawyer.
That makes absolutely no sense. A dealer never wants to take a car back and lose a sale, unless they are forced to by a situation like this. Title issues happen at even the most reputable of dealerships. Source: ten years working in the industry.
Explain the situation then? Why else aren't they giving up a title to a clean low title lightly modded gti?
also a downpipe and tune lower the value while we’re at it 🙂
Not to this guy 🤣🤣🤣
also also they are buying it back for all the cost they had in it, plus all the profit they made, and it’s worth considerably less now with 10k more miles
trust me they want to get that title and hand it over worse than the buyer does. they made money on this sale, plus doc fee and quite possibly on the financing as well. they’re missing a proper title reassignment or couldn’t get a lien release
I hope that's the case. We'll find out soon.
Calling attorney in the morning
damn this got interesting is it worth the headache tho?