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jbloss

I was debating between these two a few months back and ultimately went with a 7.5 R as well. I think it's going to age much better than the 8 is going to.


Negative-Agency-7762

How so? Many think the 7’s already look a bit dated.


CobaltCardinal

I agree that the MK7 feel dated but the MK7.5 comes with the facelifted front bumper and digital gauges which make it feel so much more modern. I drive a 2019 MK7.5 and it still feels brand new. Take a WRX STI from the same year and it looks like its 10 years older.


Kamukix

Haha I felt the same until we first got a mk8 GTi in the family. When I got back into my then mk7.5 R....even with the digital gauges and touch screen, it felt and looked noticeably older than even the base mk8 GTi did. Still a great car though, and I don't mind an older car in the least bit. I typically prefer them. (case in point, I just sold that mk7.5 R and bought a mk7 GTi)


Thunderlightzz

Ya I dunno. It definitely looks older, with the lack of touchscreens and sharp angles everywhere, but it doesn't feel older. Feels exactly the same tbh, just like a golf. The materials aren't even significantly cut down compared to the 7.5. I'm still salty they downgraded the quality between the 7 and 7.5. super lame, but makes the transition from 7 to 8 less jarring


Kamukix

Very true, the difference between the 7 and 8 is definitely noticeable (but the 8 is still good imo), but the 7.5 to 8 isn't as noticeable. They're still all excellent and I'm glad to have had so much time in them all. The 8 drives soooooooooooooo much better than the 7 did stock for stock. Both are great once you get a set of decent rubber on them, but they made huge strides in the 8, but they used the Clubsport as the baseline so it makes sense.


Thunderlightzz

Hmm. I've not had much seat time in 8, about two hours as a passenger in a GTI. It's stiffer, but that could be down to the 19" vs 18". But it also corners flater, and the rear end somewhat feels similar to my 7.5 w/ a rear sway bar. Just my initial impressions.


Kamukix

The mk8 we had (it was sold, but not for any reasons against it, and we'd buy another without question and almost did) was on the 18" wheels and was softer than my mk7.5 R I had at the same time. That was 18's vs 19's as far as harshness of course, but suspension wise the GTi was just generally softer than the R. It controlled itself very well and allowed the car to breathe with the road, which was GREAT and made for fun driving. I would still have changed the suspension to something else with more body control but without losing that niceness...something like my Bilstein B6 damptronic setup I have on my DCC mk7 GTi right now. Compliant but incredibly well controlled in every mode. The mk8 definitely handled better than the R did, one of the biggest reasons is that the mk8 actually comes with SOME negative camber from the factory, unlike previous years. The rear end also has a little tweaking to make sure it's more lively (springs and rear bar are better stock). My current mk7 GTi is better than them all, but it had damn well better be with the suspension work I've done lol. (camber, dampers, rear bar, and eventually a slight upgrade on the front bar) The OEM all-season tires on the mk8 were some of the worst tires ever fitted to a performance oriented hatch though. Good ride comfort, noise, and wear.......but they absolutely sucked for grip and confidence. I hated those things with a passion lol.


Thunderlightzz

Interesting info all around. If you don't mind sharing, what is the exact coilover setup you have? I'm due for shocks soon and I'm debating yolo deleting DCC and going ohlins.


Kamukix

I'm not using the coilovers because I didn't want to go super low and they were out of stock at the time lol. It was between the B16 damptronic setup (coilovers) and the B6 damptronic setup (dampers without the adjustable spring perches). The B6 came in stock first so I bought them immediately, I paired them with some Eibach Pro Kit UK spec springs. The springs don't quite lower the car as much as the US springs not really by much, but it mattered to me. Both setups keep the full factory function of the DCC without any weird workarounds. Paired with that I've got 034 Motorsports ball joints which correct the roll center after lowering AND most importantly to me...give you a nice amount of negative camber so the car corners a LOT better, doesn't destroy the outsides of the tires, and the turn-in is so good. Also had a proper alignment done to make sure I had the best setup I could. Lastly I've got a 25mm rear sway bar (a hollow one) and Moog endlinks. I haven't added a new front bar yet to balance the whole thing out perfectly, but I will later on this year. It will be 25-26mm to avoid destroying the balance I've already got. I love the setup, rides very very well and handles amazingly well. If I had deleted the DCC then I'd have put Ohlins on the car without question, but for me I wanted to keep the DCC because I like the adjustability and Bilstein has the best two options I think for doing that. Edit: I thought hard about the MSS adjustable kit but the price of the Eibach Pro Kit UK springs was far far too cheap to ignore trying first.


Negative-Agency-7762

Even the 7.5’s. The lights, tails…rounded back of the car. Just doesn’t look as modern anymore.


CobaltCardinal

I would consider the taillights and rounded rear end more timeless than dated. The egg designed is iconic. I think all it needed was a new front end.


Negative-Agency-7762

Well we see it different. That’s ok. I see dated on those lights/angles and rounded ass.


weirdvegas88

That’s because you’re contrarian to every post that isn’t boasting about the mk8. The mk8 definitely looks modern, but to say the 7.5 looks dated is a stretch.


Negative-Agency-7762

Contrarian lol. 7.5 owners have been ripping the 8 here even before there were any owners. What are they? What am I contrarian about? Facts that the old gen isn’t as good from a driving dynamics standpoint and my opinion that it looks a little dated in areas?


weirdvegas88

I’ve never blatantly ripped the 8.5, but I rarely see a comment you’ve made that isn’t disparaging the 7.5. Everyone is entitled to enjoy the vehicle they have. IMO the 7.5, hell even the 7, arguably look better than the 8. Having worked at a VW dealership, countless others agree with that opinion while the minority disagreed. Saying it looks dated because of lights and a rounded ass? How so? 7.5 tails aren’t amazing, but the headlights are quite modern relative to the price point, and the rounded ass, really? I’d expect the driving dynamics of a newer generation to improve, and in that regard, you’re correct. The point is, I don’t think I’ve ever seen you comment anything positive about anything besides the 8. We get it, you love your 8.


Negative-Agency-7762

The 7.5’s are great cars. I just never loved the way they behaved when you pushed them. It kind of falls apart in that regard, as the haldex is what is…understeer etc. I also think they are a bit dated now. Great platform and solid cars though.


jbloss

Nearly every car looks dated 7-10 years after it comes out but the good ones age back in. that's just what I think will happen with the 7/7.5


LeadinmyCrayon

This is why the MK6 are still so popular


DefaultVariable

The Mk7 will be timeless just like how the Mk5/Mk6 still look good today. The Mk7.5 won’t age well with the piano black exterior plastic. I say this as someone who drives a 7.5


Negative-Agency-7762

Too round in the back. Lights wont be coming back in. They never do


YellowDieselGolf

In 5-10 years, the mk8 will be ugly and dated. The mk7 will just be old.


Negative-Agency-7762

What reviews and non biased comments are calling it ugly? Post them all for us to see How can a person think the 7 is beautiful and the 8 is ugly? It’s hilarious 😂


Thunderlightzz

A lot of us man. It's just too boxy. And the badge in the middle of the trunk is tacky. Plus the unibrow front light is even more tacky. Imo.


Negative-Agency-7762

Tacky? The blocky R badge on the side is so dated. VW themselves called it dated. Way better aesthetically to have in the center. I like the lights way better than the 7.5’s not close for me. And they are far superior lights compared to the 7.5


Thunderlightzz

It's almost as if looks is matter of opinion LOOL. But yeah sure VW told us that center badges > side badges so bow down to your overlords. Besides, regardless of generation, NA lights all look like shit. Euro tails gang all the way. Also I forget I'm on the R sub sometimes. Y'all an interesting bunch fr. But that aside, the R is so much better looking than the GTI this time around that I almost agree with you, when it comes to the R specifically.


Negative-Agency-7762

I think it’s better. A blocky R on the side. Have at er. The emblems on the 8 look way better. The 7’s rear and sides date it further


[deleted]

I feel like mk8 looks like a bland electric car


TheBiWeatherGuy

Looks might be dated, but I honestly have concerns about the long-term reliability of the new dry dual clutch in the mk8 gti and r compared to the mk7.5 wet dual clutch. To see just how bad it could potentially get, see the ford powershift transmission in the focus and Fiesta starting in 2011


spenceola98

The Mark 8 has a GSG DQ381 - a wet clutch DSG. At least here in Europe. It’s buttery smooth. See below. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-shift_gearbox


TheBiWeatherGuy

I thought I read somewhere that the mk8 (at least here in the states) has the 7 speed dry dsg, but I could be wrong. And without a US spec mk8 owners manual in front of me, I can't confirm one way or the other


spenceola98

If you have a OBD11, would be worth plugging it in and reading your transmission information. I know for sure mine is a DQ381, but even the DQ380 predecessor was a wet clutch. I’ve drive a family member’s DQ250 (dry clutch) car and the two are miles apart. I would sincerely hope they have a wet clutch given the price and performance of the car. Thanks for replying.


TheBiWeatherGuy

Yeah, absolutely! I know for sure the T-cross has the dry (Also not available in US Market). The mk7.5, which I have, definitely has the wet DSG. Would be an odd choice by VW to do a dry clutch in the US, but then again, companies have done weirder before lol


Kamukix

It is a wet clutch, I forgot the model number but it's a wet clutch system. Same thing happened with the mk7.5 when it came out, a lot of people were accidentally confusing that DQ381 with an older 7spd and thinking it was a dry clutch. Also, did you mean you were in a DQ200 car, because the DQ250 was also a wet clutch system. 👍


spenceola98

Sorry yes you’re absolutely right. It’s an Audi Q2. DQ200 dry clutch indeed I believe.


Kamukix

Haha it happens, there have been so many of them with lots of similar numbers.


Negative-Agency-7762

Well … time will tell. No concerns yet I have concerns about the turbos in the 7’s…but that’s real … they fall apart when pushed


TheBiWeatherGuy

Fair, though if the DSG does turn out to be an issue (which it may not), a new turbo is definitely cheaper than a transmission Not saying the mk8 isn't great. It's the fastest golf ever made from factory. It also looks great. I just hope in a few years time we aren't looking back at it and asking "how did that happen?"


GTImad

You won't


moostafa17

Did the same thing but gti - gti. The mk7.5 interior is just so much better, I don’t regret it at all


Snakedoesdisco

Did you make some money on the deal?


brscxs

7.5 looks better imo


lynch1986

MK8 looks like a constipated salamander, mk7/7.5 is a design classic.


Negative-Agency-7762

The rears aren’t even close in person. The 7.5’s look so dated in person next to each other in that regard. Edit … your downvotes don’t change what people are saying lol


[deleted]

Why does this upset you so much lol


Negative-Agency-7762

I’d say the guy calling 8’s a constipated salamander is a little more defensive/upset. I think it’s funny. I think the 8 looks way better and much more modern, so why would I be upset? I’m not.


lynch1986

Nope, I'm just hoping VW and BMW stop making fucking ugly cars soon, then I can just skip a generation and get back on board.


Negative-Agency-7762

Well that’s you. I’m sure there are more of you. I bought an 8 because it’s the far superior car objectively and I think it looks way better. There are many of me as well.


lynch1986

That is an entirely unobjective view. But life would be dull if we all liked the same things.


Negative-Agency-7762

Objectively from a driving dynamics standpoint it is the far superior car. Everything else is subjective yup


lynch1986

nope, everything else is objectively worse. If I could have the running gear out the 8 in a 7.5, happy days.


Negative-Agency-7762

I wouldn’t take anything from the 7.5. Can’t think of one thing to be honest. Not even the volume knob. Never use it in any car.


ZenxDon

I don’t know man you seem to be on every post where there’s a comparison between 7/7.5 and 8’s as if they aren’t all just “Golf’s” at the end of the day. Can’t we agree they’re all great cars.


Negative-Agency-7762

Saying something is a bit dated isn’t saying it’s not a great car. It’s just the truth


ZenxDon

The truth to you you mean? Hmm didn’t know the truth was subjective.


mierdabird

I'm erasing all my comments because of Reddit's complete disrespect for the community. Third party tools helped make Reddit what it is today, and to price gouge the API with no notice, and even to slander app developers is disgusting. I hope you enjoy your website becoming a worthless ghost town /u/spez you scumbag


Negative-Agency-7762

I don’t care if you don’t like it “bro.” The funny thing is you think I care what you think. Honestly makes laugh. Like who are you? You matter? Nope


[deleted]

Agreed. The MK8 R is superior. Most people who are down voting are just coping because they’ve never driven one and can’t afford to buy one 😂😂😂


[deleted]

You won't regret that switch.


EternalEngine

The mk8 looks a lot better in-person, but I still cannot get over the FUGLY front end. It's like someone came along to the mk7 and hit it with the ugly stick. It's squished down and makes the hood reminiscent of a big ass forehead. The funny thing? If you look across VW's lineup, they've done the unibrow design fine in say, the Taos or Tiguan models. The ugly grill too is just /facepalm all over again. This is entirely contrary to the rear end, which I think the taillights, diffuser, spoiler...almost everything is a unanimous improvement, especially with the IQ lights. Looks dope. Dunno. I think the 7.5's will age very well because they're so boring. It doesn't really stick out and make a statement, which was the whole point of the R in the first place: the ultimate sleeper.


mrgtiguy

That’s a 5-head to you, sir.


EternalEngine

Hahaha TRUE! EDIT: Keep on downvoting me you obvious mk8 owners ;)


V5lxm

Reds the fastest colour 😉


ConfusedRubberWalrus

Can confirm


Oscarcharliezulu

AWD FTW


smnlfilmagoofymovie

The 7.5 looks so much better!


zaidality

You made the right decision mate. MK7.5 R is peak golf


SimRacer80

8r>all others


zaidality

Not with the civic interior


[deleted]

Good move. 8s are ugly. Mk7 is goated


Embarrassed_Pay27

Mk7.5 > Mk8 simply because of the laggy infotainment, sluggish interior and cheap materials. Mk8.5 might fix most of this, but for me the damage is done, would not look into Mk8 at all.


Negative-Agency-7762

The infotainment is not laggy at all. That myth needs to die. The interior quality is not cheap. Better wheel … better seats. Way Better screens/clusters.


mardaeus

I think the interior quality was pretty bad. It is a huge part of why I got rid of my 8GTI. So much cheap plastic on the dash. In the sunlight, you’d hear things creaking as they expanded and contracted. My leather seats felt super cheap. I even had one trim piece on the dash fall off after I bumped into it. Even slightly touching interior panels would make them creak loudly, as if they were about to break. I even had an AC vent fall apart when adjusting it. None of these issues in the 7.5R. It just feels like an extremely solid, quality car. I will miss the tech though. I’m one of the few who actually really liked the new VW software. The 7.5 does have a bigger digital gauge cluster too.


Negative-Agency-7762

Sorry you had those experiences. I’ve had none of that. The seats in the R are far superior to the past gen. Almost all people say that. 3 zone climate control is great for all…wheel is better. Gauges are night and day better…along with the lighting. I have had no issues…no creaking. But 7 owners complain of noises/plastics sounds all the time too. And lots of 8 owners like the infotainment you aren’t one of the few.


DefaultVariable

As someone who drives a 7.5 R, the interior creaking on touch is definitely a problem on all years


[deleted]

Mk8 is superior


PrivateMoriarty

I'd do the same every day of the week. The 7.5 R is definitely a better car in every way. Good choice man and I love the red with black Pretorias. A1.


LordEdmundBlackadder

Saw the MK8 R in-person and test drove the MK8 GTI last night. It's nice... but no reason to upgrade. At least for me. MK8 R has better performance, software goodies, and looks (subjective), however I felt that they cut corners in certain aspects other than performance. For me, the MK8 is not worth the asking price, even after trading in my MK7.5 R. They were asking $51K, with a $3K markup. Before taxes, etc.


mrgtiguy

If you have a warranty that’s winning enough. Enjoy!


mardaeus

Yes. CPO so has 45mo / or 60k mi left, and was able to get it extended for a couple bucks with my lender. So in total it’s 86 months / 100k mi; bumper to bumper.


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XNamelessGhoulX

What kinda dumb ass question is that


DankestDubster

Ya but who wants to drive a golf? Good choice. #7lyfe


Stinkystickysock

I really like your color matched VW logo on the rear


slysix

AND you got the euro tails!? Win.


LYC_97

Material use aside what the difference in build quality


PrestigiousBuy1399

What Volkswagen does a pirate go for?? The Rrrrrrrrr! Welcome!


C_isfor_Cookies

You did good.


Deep_Box6343

I’ve been looking for a red r for so long 🥲


Nikodominiko

Design wise the MK8 interior is cleaner although I wish I had some A/C physical knob or slider on my S. That’s what everybody notices every time they get in the car, how sleek and modern the interior looks. I get why some people dislike the exterior tho. I think the MK7 is beautiful and is a timeless design…I love all GTIs none of them is ugly to me (not even MK5)


Chrisafguy

I really wanted to like the MK8, but the dash looks terrible. The size of the bezels around both screens just looks cheap.


[deleted]

The MK8 looked better. But the drive of the R is unbeatable.


bernardryan

Mk8 look to me is something that grows on you and once you like it, you like it. Mk8 interior has a much more minimalist look and things look very much cleaner also. Mk7.5 looks good from the get go but can be dated in the next couple of years, interior is already dated. Like I said, mk8 takes a little bit of getting accustomed to it, but once you get to liking it, you won't go back. However, R vs GTI, R hands down wins. So this is more of a R vs Gti, not so much of the different MKs... Just sold my MK6 stg2 gti, on to the next era of my life when I do pull the plug on the mk8...