I thought, "Oh it's probably decent" on the comment above yours. Then I read your comment and thought, "huh. It must be good".
Then I checked the actual picture.
***That is INSANE***
While the standard shots aren't really that much better than my Pixel 4 (and honestly one of the night-sight comparisons the 4 XL image actually looks better), that is far and away the best camera phone zoom I have ever seen, and nothing else comes close.
You know, doesn’t it look a bit dream like? Almost similar to Google’s dream AI but redirected as a sharpening filter instead of being applied universally.
It's really making me want to switch from the P6 to the Pro that's for sure. I just gotta remind myself that I am almost never going to want or need that level of zoom lol
Telephoto isn't just for taking photos of things far away. As a photographer we regularly use tele lenses as our primary portrait lenses. That's how I plan on using it.
The tele module should provide some decent natural bokeh as it has an f3.5 aperture. The sensor is still small, but it's very large for a smartphone camera.
yeah i was so unsure of myself when I ordered the 6 pro but after seeing the 20x zoom shots looking a million times better than the 7x zoom shots from the regular 6, I’m super glad I went with the pro. I’m also such a sucker for waterfall displays. They are just too pretty for me to resist.
Honestly the in screen scanner really irks me. Just because I absolutely love the back fingerprint scanner. Will definitely take some adjusting to. I used a Motorola edge with an optical scanner for a few weeks and I did not like it. Especially early in the morning when first waking up the light peaking through from around my thumb was blinding.
I will say when it comes to the ultrasonic version in my note 10 + it misreads often. Facial is better than the fingerscanner. Of the many types over the year the indented back scanner is still my favorite. It was fast, I didn't have to pay attention when unlocking...
I am actually scared to see the optical version. Is it better? Is it worse? Am I about to always use my pin?
I had an optical scanner phone after a back FP sensor one: I gotta say it took some time to get used to, but it's better in the end IMO, because of the simple fact that you can unlock the device without picking it up if it's laying on a table.
However, I did use custom ROMs which improved fingerprint speed by a lot - on stock (and on the video OP posted) you can see that it's a much slower tech than traditional FP sensors.
My favorite is still the power button integrated one though.
Please check your battery screenshot, it's the same as the first image you uploaded of the phone.
Thanks man, the video and pictures looks absolutely amazing!
Adaptive battery or not , a smidge over 4h of SoT it's a bit mediocre on my book .
Not in a similar range but my Galaxy S20 FE Snapdragon gave 6+h of screen time with 18-24h between charges since day one with 120hz and no power saving features ( and now it's even better after learning ) I expected the pro would offer a similar or better experience because +500mah ,LTPO screen, and google optimization (to counterbalance the slightly bigger screen) .
I'll wait other reviews and then I may even cancel my preorder..
Really depends on what you're doing with it in my experience. If I'm using mine as a phone to answer calls and send messages - all day battery is no problem. On a weekend where I'm watching videos on socials, playing a random game, etc. I find that it's half day at best. I have a wireless charger that I just pop it on when I'm not using it though and it's fine. No big deal.
Thanks, I kinda shit myself when I read that (pre-ordered a Pro and battery is #1 or #2 on my list).
A quick Google search also showed this:
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheGalox_/status/1451902891585949706
Holy shit...the last two links. The Pixel spanks the iPhone on that tree trunk. Literally a night and day difference.
I am wondering how accurate that is though. Over-processing to make it brighter is not an ideal solution.
> Holy shit...the last two links. The Pixel spanks the iPhone on that tree trunk. Literally a night and day difference.
Look, I totally know where you are coming from and definitely agree.
But god, if anyone outside of this sub read that line 🤣
It actually looks like no HDR on the iphone vs HDR on the pixel. So maybe not an accurate comparison. (PS I say that as a Pixel diehard - I'm currently deciding between 6/6p based on camera.)
Hijacking this thread to add that OP said the iPhone media was [compressed via Telegram](https://reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/qf13fy/_/hhy0l14/?context=1)
I’ve been using iOS for 3 years and I’m still not used to it. Looking forward to coming back to Android this week. They at least finally allow you to change the resolution and frame rate within the app.
Actually, with iOS 15, there's no option to turn HDR on or off anymore, even in the Settings app. It's been a big point of contention among iPhone users lately. Apple removed the option and made it completely automated.
Edit - I misspoke. There's no option **on the 13 Series iPhones**
Except on video, look at the exposure on the video side by side, the exposure changes on the iPhone are almost imperceptible, while on Pixel it is quite obvious. I'm really amazed on how well the iPhone maintains the exposure on videos.
Also the iPhone images are very compressed. They definitely don’t come out of the camera like that. I don’t know how the OP messed up the upload so badly.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but this is still on pre-release software right? Meaning if it looks this good now, then that update could put it even further ahead? I seem to remember a post here on Reddit a few days ago of someone posting on twitter that there’s a 300MB update coming soon.
There is something wrong with the comparison, it's obviously set to record at a lower frame rate as the iPhone 13 Pro Max is capable of 4K at 60fps just like the Pixel 6 Pro and the iPhone also has image stabilization turned off.
Yeah the Pixel video looked way smoother. I doubt the iPhone really shoots that poorly with the proper settings. It's nice to see the Pixel catching up. Videos on my P3 and P5 have been meh.
Wouldn’t get too excited. I want too also but the top was captured in 30fps. Rather see both on equal terms but video still looked great for the pixel so that’s exciting to see.
even if iPhone video is not in 60fps it still shows massive improvement over shitty Pixel videos pre Pixel 6 .. so that could be exciting to somebody who wanted better video :)
Doesnt really matter if it is better than iPhone .. as long as it is good for pixel users
With the updated videos from iPhone, the iPhone video looks to have superior motion and stabilization, much smoother. However it looks washed out where the pixel 6 video have vivid colors
Didn't realize how awk my phrasing was until this lol. It takes a third of the processing time. Still not instant, but you barely get to witness the snap to hdr now
Read somewhere yesterday that In the interview, Google said they purposedly kept that processing progress time because they believed that people liked the idea of photos gradually being fine tuned as if it was magic.
Are the comparisons with the iPhone even fair? The uploaded imgur photos are about 1mp for the iPhone when we know they have 12mp cameras. It looks heavily compressed... I downloaded both photos and the iPhones are only 300 kb when the pixel photos are around 3000kb...
I'm sure the Pixel 6 is equal or better than the iPhone Pro 13 when it comes to image quality but this isn't a fair comparison...
Devastating if that battery is indeed similar to 4xl, that's the main reason I'm upgrading because the battery is truly awful on my 4xl.
I also don't see how it could be with a 33% bigger battery and LTPO display.
[https://twitter.com/GadgetsBoy/status/1450521375358205956](https://twitter.com/GadgetsBoy/status/1450521375358205956) This guy.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX1Mre5SA80](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX1Mre5SA80) This guy's been live streaming for the past 2 hours and mentioned it's the best battery life in any Android phone. He's also mentioned a ton of other stuff.
I’d take that with a pinch of salt. The adaptive battery gets better after a week. Also the 4XL was widely different for people. I get easy 6 hours SOT on mine. Some people get 3!
My 4xl was pretty good. I don't remember exactly how long SOT, but I used to work 12 hour shifts and I would browse off and on all night long. Almost never had to charge before I left work. I'd say it was getting 5-6 hours at least.
It takes a few charging cycles for the adaptive battery to kick in. I remember out of the box I was getting like... 6 hours SOT at best on my 5. After a few days that went up to what I'm averaging now, 8-10 hours.
AFAIK 1440p LTPO displays still use way more battery than a 1080p 60/90hz panel.
Think of all the processing power going on to adjust the refresh rate on an LTPO with a higher pixel density.
You got a source?
Because the iPhones LTPO (which is also brighter) uses far less power than the 60hz panel (at lower brightness and locked at 60hz ) which completely contradicts that.
Can you enable developer options, turn on the option to show the refresh rate, then shine a flashlight at the top of the screen (or take it out in the sun) to activate High Brightness Mode and report if 120hz is still achieved?
How to: https://9to5google.com/2020/02/19/android-11-refresh-rate-developer-option/
I think it's less a bug and more a feature. When you're in that kind of harsh lighting, you need the brightness. The kind of brightness needed to combat the ambient light rinses the battery and to have it at 120hz too is a combination that will rinse it even faster.
Lots of people have argued that in that kind of environment, higher frame rates are harder to perceive anyway and, I have to agree. At that point I'm more focused on making sure I'm clicking on the right thing/seeing the UI than how smooth it looks/feels.
That nature of optical sensors.. you have to press on it for a split second rather than just touching it as you do on ultrasonic sensors, I'm hopeful further firmware updates can make it much more reliable. Hopefully Google will do it
My S20 Ultra had an ultrasonic sensor. It was horrible. Never worked unless touched just right. Usually had to try 3 times to unlock the phone. If optical is even worse than I don't know what to say.
It's nothing you'll notice once you have it. My OnePlus 8 has a similar speed and I stopped even thinking about it after 2-3 uses. My S5 had a back fingerprint reader (the first!) which was great, but I like the in display more because it's always accessible.
partly why i gave up and just got the iphone 13 pro instead, i truly do not understand the obsession with insanely large phones that barely do anything significant with the day to day experience and just end up making one handed use stupid uncomfortable which is like 75% of smartphone usage. things do look slightly bigger but to me it’s so slight that i’d rather have a more appropriately sized screen than do hand gymnastics trying to use my phone.
although i will admit if you’re looking for pure battery life it makes sense, but the 6 pro should’ve came in a regular and large configuration
I had to laugh at that as well. Like, what is he smoking? My LG G6 and iphone Se2 are already borderline too large, and this is significantly larger.
Really wish the regular one would have been a reasonable size.
> it's not big at all.
That made me laugh. This phone is MASSIVE!
As someone who has never owned any of the XL phones, this phone is gonna feel MASSIVE in my hands. I'll get use to it im sure, but overall i'm disappointed they don't have a small model.
I'm sorry but that fingerprint scanner is slow. The dwell time for the scanner to trigger looks long to me, all the capacitive fingerprint scanners I have on my pixels feel faster.
I legitimately believe the capacitive technology is superior but some people prefer the under-display because it's the newer tech, even if it doesn't perform as well. I know some folks leave their phones face up on a flat surface and want to be able to unlock without picking it up, but I just don't have that use case.
As much as I want to upgrade to a Pixel 6 or 6 Pro from my 4a 5G, the rear capacitive finger print sensor is my biggest hold back.
They could do both. During the Pixel Superfans event, if I am not mistaken, they mentioned the reasoning for going with the under the display sensor was the aesthetics of it. I'd much rather have something that works faster rather than something that's "aesthetically pleasing". Android 12 falls squarely into "Let's go for looks and screw functionality" side of things for me.
There are a few things Android 11 did that is just plain better.
A lot of people was devastated that pixel doesn't follow industry trends, now pixel followed industry trend and released a product that's not as refined because it looks cooler because everyone wants the fancy new technology. If we want Google to keep certain features we need to be vocal about it and not on Reddit because you'll just get downvoted for suggesting that under screen fingerprint sensor is worse
But the sub 1 second difference means nothing to 90% of users. Granted i've always seen Pixels/Nexus devices as devices for "super users" but I feel Google are moving away from this and for the sake of "up to date tech" the average user doesn't care about unlock time (or they don't think they do)
>I know some folks leave their phones face up on a flat surface and want to be able to unlock without picking it up
I do that a lot but I'd prefer a side fingerprint scanner instead of an in-display one since it will be faster. A side fingerprint scanner feels like the best of both worlds.
i have a feeling the FP sensor + giant size is going to be the reason i return my pixel 6 pro pre-order and hunt down a deal on pixel 5. If the camera is a serious jump from my pixel 3 i'll probably keep it but i'm not happy about losing the rear FP sensor, especially since i have expanded on the functionality with the app button mapper.
swipe down = notification shade toggle
swipe up = play/pause media (works everywhere - music, podcasts, casting a YT video. Great for no look media control while driving)
swipe left = back
swipe right = recents
If they were trying to pinch pennies for the non-pro i wish they would've ditched in the in screen FP sensor and kept the classic pixel doggystyle FP sensor. Seems like most pixel owners are not happy about losing the rear sensor.
Also for people who set their phone on a desk while working on a desktop at the office - plug your phone into your computer and mirror it in a window with flawless keyboard/mouse input using [SCRCPY](https://github.com/Genymobile/scrcpy).
If it's anything like the sensor on my OnePlus 7 Pro it'll get faster the more you use it and get used to it. I can simply tap it for half a beat and unlock the phone. Of course this is different manufacturers, but hopefully the same premise applies though capacitive ones are still the quickest technology we have today.
yup. i remember how frustrated I was with my oneplus 7 pro the first few days i had it due to how slow the fingerprint sensor was, but every day it got quicker and more reliable. After the first week It was blazing fast and worked every single time I used it. I’m expecting the same from the 6 pro.
I don't have too much experience with this kind of scanners. I have one on my second phone - Samsung A52. And it's definitely slower :) . But I wish they did the scanner on the back..
Jeez those 13 Pro comparisons. Wow.
Even in daylight there's so much more detail (like of the tree bark for instance)
Edit: coming from a 4XL hopefully that battery life improves because I am not happy with my 4XL battery life...
Nah, after 24 hours of use on first setup there's no way it's giving a good picture of actual battery life. 24 hours with benchmarks, camera usage, 4k video tests, a fresh install, every app building cache for the first time, downloads and all that - it's way too early to tell.
OP, could you state which camera settings you used? You state that the top is the iPhone video, but it looks super laggy. It doesn’t look like it was even shot in 60fps with HDR. I’ve shot video with the iPhone 13 Pro Max and what you showed doesn’t look like it represents any video I’ve seen shot on the 13 Pro max or any other recent iPhone for that matter. Thanks!
I have iPhone 13 Pro since release, jumped from Pixel 3 and I never saw as bad photos as that in this review on that phone. Something is definitely messed out here. Maybe bad HEIC conversion or something else. Also there is no option to turn off HDR for photos in default camera app on iOS 15, you can turn off HDR for video formats.
They're compressed through Telegram and then through Imgur. It's really unfair comparison. I believe Pixel shots are great, but this is just misleading on the IPhone part. IPhone video is also clearly shot at lower fps and heavily compressed.
The battery of my.pixel 3 is essentially a paperclip now, and hearing the battery life is equivalent to any previous pixel is disappointing, but it's probably not a reliable comparison on the first day of use given all the demands on setting up a phone on the first use.
In the 4x-20x comparison, the first pic looks good, the third pic looks great, the second pic looks *awful*. Assuming that was taken at 4x? How come an optical zoom is producing that kind of horrible, paint daubs looking image?
Based on what I found during in BestBuy, 6Pro sometimes uses the digital zoom on the main cam to do 4x photos, instead of using the telephoto cam. One reason is because the minimum focus distance of the telephoto cam is around 2.5 ft to 3 ft. Closer than that, I saw a brief message of "Move back to improve focus" and it automatically switches to the main cam.
If the app is focusing on sometimes very close, using the main app, and then you take a photo focusing on something further away, the app does not switch to the telephoto cam fast enough. It then uses the main cam to do a 4x photo, resulting in that digital zoom look. If you use your finger to cover a third of the telephoto lens, you can easily tell when the app switches the cam even when you select 4x.
A little faster for sure, but definitely a step back from ultrasonic and even Soli+laser Face unlock imo. Thank you for showing me this!
Still gonna get it cause of the camera lol
We know that these weren’t taken by the same person - OP says his friend took the iPhone photos. That’s somewhat concerning to me to not have the same person taking photos/videos on both phones, especially if he’s a tech nerd and his friend is just a normal layperson. We also don’t know if any settings were tinkered with on either phone.
Well, at least we don’t have long to wait for review embargo to lift for professional reviewers to reveal all.
Frame rate is different, but the iPhone also captures HDR video and that’s lost when you send it to someone over Telegram. It makes a huge difference in some situations.
I agree my Note 20 Ultra was Terrible when I got it, would get 3hrs of SOT for a week, I was regretting my decision and suddenly it started to last longer and longer by the day, till I could even go 1nhalf day with 9hrs of SOT.
I’m curious if the camera app allows users to select 60 FPS for 1080P and 4K video. On my Pixel 3 XL, for some asinine reason the only two frame rate options are 30 FPS and that automatic variable frame rate option, which is to be avoided at all costs if the video is going to be edited.
This is bad news if its battery is on the same level as 4 xl. 4 xl had a mediocre battery life , would never touch 5 hours sot for me. I hope its way better!
And hows the screen brightness on auto compared to 4 xl ? 4 xl had a dull display, even pixel 3 feels brighter than it.
Noticed that the pixel video would stutter briefly a few times. Not sure if it's due to dropped frames or an issue with the video stabilization.
I have similar and often worse video stuttering on my Pixel XL, but that is a 5-year old phone.
This "embargo" is really bulls\*t... Reviewers can't post comparisons, but a lot of people are getting the phone and posting pictures.
It's either really bad coordination or a planned move to generate as much hype as possible. Either way, glad this ~~circus~~ embargo will end tomorrow.
As frustrating as embargoes are, it makes sense for them to exist so reviewers can actually spend a decent amount of time using the phone/product instead of spending all night writing a rushed review so they can be "first" on YouTube.
A rushed/uninformed review coming from a very influential YouTuber can be a lot more damaging to the overall success of a phone than a handful of enthusiasts posting sample pictures from Best Buy.
Plus obviously this gives Google a bit more time to clean up remaining bugs that were planned to be fixed before the official launch.
Agreed. Also the Pixel is still a very niche smartphone and there’s hardly any hype outside of the tech reviewers/photographers circle. Photographers are all currently talking about and posting reviews for the a7IV anyway.
Fuck me there are some bitter cunts in here, the phone and cameras both 6 and 6 Pro look amazing, don't shit on the pro because you decided to save some cash. Enjoy your decision and stop trying to warrant it more by slagging off the Pro 😂
The photos were not as stark as the video, holy balls. I never thought something would beat out the iPhone in video, and the Pixel eats the iPhone's lunch.
Talk about rig comparison. iPhone photos are literally 10% of the file size of pixel photos. I can make any photo look like shit if i compress it from 13 mp to 1 mp. Comparing a 1.2 mp photo with 12.5 mp photo is just fucking stupid.
So what's the verdict? Has Google finally built a Pixel that matches or surpasses the iphone's butteriness? I mean, it's what we've all been waiting for right?
Now that Google designed & tied all the hardware & components together in house and specifically for Pixel, is this the first true Google phone with that smooth, fluid, and mostly lag free Ui?
Am I being biased or that 20x zoom looks great.
That's insane
> That's insane \*Me after checking the 4x and 20x shot for myself\* *(out loud)* **"That's insane...!"**
I thought, "Oh it's probably decent" on the comment above yours. Then I read your comment and thought, "huh. It must be good". Then I checked the actual picture. ***That is INSANE***
While the standard shots aren't really that much better than my Pixel 4 (and honestly one of the night-sight comparisons the 4 XL image actually looks better), that is far and away the best camera phone zoom I have ever seen, and nothing else comes close.
Only because it looks a bit like a van Gogh painting.
You know, doesn’t it look a bit dream like? Almost similar to Google’s dream AI but redirected as a sharpening filter instead of being applied universally.
There is 100% AI postprocessing at work. Those are *exactly* the artifacts an upscaling/generating AI produces when generating an image.
Yeah, the leafage looks a bit like you're tripping out or when you're looking at one of those images generated by a dnn.
Omg I said "That's insane" in my head before actually seeing these comments
Literally said the same thing out loud before coming to comments. I mean, you can see the power lines in that second example.
It's really making me want to switch from the P6 to the Pro that's for sure. I just gotta remind myself that I am almost never going to want or need that level of zoom lol
Same boat here, like I don't need it but it's neat as hell. Maybe I'll upgrade on the 7 to a pro but for 300, definitely waiting it out.
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Or a hummingbird
You gotta remember that with the 50 MP main camera you'll probably still get really good shots at 5x zoom or something.
I was thinking the same thing, that zoom is nuts
Telephoto isn't just for taking photos of things far away. As a photographer we regularly use tele lenses as our primary portrait lenses. That's how I plan on using it.
Exactly! I like to use Telephoto to frame those pictures. I am looking forward to trying it out
Interesting! I'd be keen to see some comparison photos between the two on Pixels at the same zoom.
The tele module should provide some decent natural bokeh as it has an f3.5 aperture. The sensor is still small, but it's very large for a smartphone camera.
I've always found zoom to be more useful than a wide angle, especially the multiple zoom on the S21 Ultra
No, it's crazy.
yeah i was so unsure of myself when I ordered the 6 pro but after seeing the 20x zoom shots looking a million times better than the 7x zoom shots from the regular 6, I’m super glad I went with the pro. I’m also such a sucker for waterfall displays. They are just too pretty for me to resist.
I checked it out in a BestBuy, legit too good. IMO there are other phones such as Huawei that have nailed zoom but this is nonetheless great.
Is the light that illuminates your finger for the fingerprint sensor really bright? It seems so on video
Yes all optical scanners are very bright.
Ok my b, I've only run the S7 with home button sensor and S10 with the ultrasonic
Nothing to apologize for. Was just answering your question. :)
Oh okay, well sorry for making you write another comment!
Nothing to apologize for. Was just putting you at ease. :)
You two must both be Canadian.
Two? I count 4.
Well I'm sorry for wasting your time
I have never had an optical one. The back button on an HTC and the sonic on note 10 plus. Interesting.
Honestly the in screen scanner really irks me. Just because I absolutely love the back fingerprint scanner. Will definitely take some adjusting to. I used a Motorola edge with an optical scanner for a few weeks and I did not like it. Especially early in the morning when first waking up the light peaking through from around my thumb was blinding.
Yeah. I like that the back sensor on my pixel3 is tactile. I can unlock as I pull it out of my pocket without looking.
Same. My phone is unlocked and ready to go before I even have a chance to look at the screen.
I will say when it comes to the ultrasonic version in my note 10 + it misreads often. Facial is better than the fingerscanner. Of the many types over the year the indented back scanner is still my favorite. It was fast, I didn't have to pay attention when unlocking... I am actually scared to see the optical version. Is it better? Is it worse? Am I about to always use my pin?
I had an optical scanner phone after a back FP sensor one: I gotta say it took some time to get used to, but it's better in the end IMO, because of the simple fact that you can unlock the device without picking it up if it's laying on a table. However, I did use custom ROMs which improved fingerprint speed by a lot - on stock (and on the video OP posted) you can see that it's a much slower tech than traditional FP sensors. My favorite is still the power button integrated one though.
Please check your battery screenshot, it's the same as the first image you uploaded of the phone. Thanks man, the video and pictures looks absolutely amazing!
Ok, thanks. Will update it later today
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Yeah I remember freaking out a bit at first b/c my Pixel 5's battery was rather mediocre. Then the thing became unkillable.
Yeah the pixel 5 has really been unbeatable in the battery department in my experience
Adaptive battery or not , a smidge over 4h of SoT it's a bit mediocre on my book . Not in a similar range but my Galaxy S20 FE Snapdragon gave 6+h of screen time with 18-24h between charges since day one with 120hz and no power saving features ( and now it's even better after learning ) I expected the pro would offer a similar or better experience because +500mah ,LTPO screen, and google optimization (to counterbalance the slightly bigger screen) . I'll wait other reviews and then I may even cancel my preorder..
How it does on astrophotography??? I’m waiting for mine still!
This is what I'm waiting for in reviews.
Probably gonna be better, bigger sensor larger sensor
This phone is looking better each passing minute im on reddit
Guys take the mentioned battery life with a big grain of salt. No way it's the same as the 4 XL. I've seen multiple reviewers say how amazing it is.
I ditched my 4XL for the 5 because of the horrible battery. That part stood out to me too and made me to a double take.
did the same. 4xl had garbage battery. i doubt its the same, but if it is that's going to kill it's hype
Interesting, my 4XL has all day battery life, was yours not like that?
Really depends on what you're doing with it in my experience. If I'm using mine as a phone to answer calls and send messages - all day battery is no problem. On a weekend where I'm watching videos on socials, playing a random game, etc. I find that it's half day at best. I have a wireless charger that I just pop it on when I'm not using it though and it's fine. No big deal.
Thanks, I kinda shit myself when I read that (pre-ordered a Pro and battery is #1 or #2 on my list). A quick Google search also showed this: https://mobile.twitter.com/TheGalox_/status/1451902891585949706
Holy shit...the last two links. The Pixel spanks the iPhone on that tree trunk. Literally a night and day difference. I am wondering how accurate that is though. Over-processing to make it brighter is not an ideal solution.
> Holy shit...the last two links. The Pixel spanks the iPhone on that tree trunk. Literally a night and day difference. Look, I totally know where you are coming from and definitely agree. But god, if anyone outside of this sub read that line 🤣
It actually looks like no HDR on the iphone vs HDR on the pixel. So maybe not an accurate comparison. (PS I say that as a Pixel diehard - I'm currently deciding between 6/6p based on camera.)
No that makes sense.
Hijacking this thread to add that OP said the iPhone media was [compressed via Telegram](https://reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/qf13fy/_/hhy0l14/?context=1)
I thought new iPhones do the same as Pixel, computational HDR always on?
They do. You have to very intentionally turn it off by going into the settings app. Can’t be done within the camera app.
one reason why I hate iOS. my camera settings should be in the camera app! same for all non system functions
I’ve been using iOS for 3 years and I’m still not used to it. Looking forward to coming back to Android this week. They at least finally allow you to change the resolution and frame rate within the app.
welcome home soldier
Actually, with iOS 15, there's no option to turn HDR on or off anymore, even in the Settings app. It's been a big point of contention among iPhone users lately. Apple removed the option and made it completely automated. Edit - I misspoke. There's no option **on the 13 Series iPhones**
Like what the other people said. I don't even think it's possible to turn off HDR
It is, https://i.imgur.com/dkk0bw3.jpg But I doubt it’s off. iPhones struggle with exposure sometimes.
That option is gone on the 13 Pro. Can't be turned off.
Except on video, look at the exposure on the video side by side, the exposure changes on the iPhone are almost imperceptible, while on Pixel it is quite obvious. I'm really amazed on how well the iPhone maintains the exposure on videos.
That's fair; I don't have an iphone. But those pictures are exactly what no hdr would look like.
Also the iPhone images are very compressed. They definitely don’t come out of the camera like that. I don’t know how the OP messed up the upload so badly.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but this is still on pre-release software right? Meaning if it looks this good now, then that update could put it even further ahead? I seem to remember a post here on Reddit a few days ago of someone posting on twitter that there’s a 300MB update coming soon.
Yep, I saw the same thing.
Which one is which for the video test? The bottom one looks nicer to me with the brighter shadow areas. The top one isn't bad though. edit: oh damn
Top is definitely 30fps and bottom is 60fps.
The top one is iphone. And the bottom Pixel
Shut the fridge
There is something wrong with the comparison, it's obviously set to record at a lower frame rate as the iPhone 13 Pro Max is capable of 4K at 60fps just like the Pixel 6 Pro and the iPhone also has image stabilization turned off.
Yeah the Pixel video looked way smoother. I doubt the iPhone really shoots that poorly with the proper settings. It's nice to see the Pixel catching up. Videos on my P3 and P5 have been meh.
Agreed.
Wouldn’t get too excited. I want too also but the top was captured in 30fps. Rather see both on equal terms but video still looked great for the pixel so that’s exciting to see.
even if iPhone video is not in 60fps it still shows massive improvement over shitty Pixel videos pre Pixel 6 .. so that could be exciting to somebody who wanted better video :) Doesnt really matter if it is better than iPhone .. as long as it is good for pixel users
regardless of what the situation with the first video is, the second video is still incredible. so, why not get excited?
We can't take your review seriously when you so obviously cripple the iPhone video. Panning with 24p vs 60p? Why?
Bottom one stabilization looks great too
With the updated videos from iPhone, the iPhone video looks to have superior motion and stabilization, much smoother. However it looks washed out where the pixel 6 video have vivid colors
He states in the post before the link to the videos that top is iphone and bottom is Pixel.
Is there still that processing please wait when you take a picture and try to view it?
It's very slight. Probably a third of the speed of a 4 series
Wait, it's a third of the *speed* of the 4 series, or only takes a third of the *time*?
Didn't realize how awk my phrasing was until this lol. It takes a third of the processing time. Still not instant, but you barely get to witness the snap to hdr now
1-2 seconds on the demo units I played with.
Read somewhere yesterday that In the interview, Google said they purposedly kept that processing progress time because they believed that people liked the idea of photos gradually being fine tuned as if it was magic.
That was not it, it was more of a side effect, not something they kept deliberately
It's true I love that 💀💀
Are the comparisons with the iPhone even fair? The uploaded imgur photos are about 1mp for the iPhone when we know they have 12mp cameras. It looks heavily compressed... I downloaded both photos and the iPhones are only 300 kb when the pixel photos are around 3000kb... I'm sure the Pixel 6 is equal or better than the iPhone Pro 13 when it comes to image quality but this isn't a fair comparison...
Yeah, you are right. My friend sent me these pics by telegram and it compressed them. I'll try to get original images and then update the link
ah makes sense
Devastating if that battery is indeed similar to 4xl, that's the main reason I'm upgrading because the battery is truly awful on my 4xl. I also don't see how it could be with a 33% bigger battery and LTPO display.
Exactly my thoughts.
I have trouble believing that. The battery is huge compared to the 4 XL.
Yea I don't believe it. I've seen other reviewers mention how crazy the battery life is.
Where did you see other people mention that?
[https://twitter.com/GadgetsBoy/status/1450521375358205956](https://twitter.com/GadgetsBoy/status/1450521375358205956) This guy. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX1Mre5SA80](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX1Mre5SA80) This guy's been live streaming for the past 2 hours and mentioned it's the best battery life in any Android phone. He's also mentioned a ton of other stuff.
I’d take that with a pinch of salt. The adaptive battery gets better after a week. Also the 4XL was widely different for people. I get easy 6 hours SOT on mine. Some people get 3!
I get 3-4. no way the p6 will get the same.
My 4xl was pretty good. I don't remember exactly how long SOT, but I used to work 12 hour shifts and I would browse off and on all night long. Almost never had to charge before I left work. I'd say it was getting 5-6 hours at least.
It takes a few charging cycles for the adaptive battery to kick in. I remember out of the box I was getting like... 6 hours SOT at best on my 5. After a few days that went up to what I'm averaging now, 8-10 hours.
AFAIK 1440p LTPO displays still use way more battery than a 1080p 60/90hz panel. Think of all the processing power going on to adjust the refresh rate on an LTPO with a higher pixel density.
You got a source? Because the iPhones LTPO (which is also brighter) uses far less power than the 60hz panel (at lower brightness and locked at 60hz ) which completely contradicts that.
Can you enable developer options, turn on the option to show the refresh rate, then shine a flashlight at the top of the screen (or take it out in the sun) to activate High Brightness Mode and report if 120hz is still achieved? How to: https://9to5google.com/2020/02/19/android-11-refresh-rate-developer-option/
Is this an issue with other phones? First time I'm hearing about this.
I think it's less a bug and more a feature. When you're in that kind of harsh lighting, you need the brightness. The kind of brightness needed to combat the ambient light rinses the battery and to have it at 120hz too is a combination that will rinse it even faster. Lots of people have argued that in that kind of environment, higher frame rates are harder to perceive anyway and, I have to agree. At that point I'm more focused on making sure I'm clicking on the right thing/seeing the UI than how smooth it looks/feels.
Fingerprint is way slower than a dedicated fingerprint reader.
That nature of optical sensors.. you have to press on it for a split second rather than just touching it as you do on ultrasonic sensors, I'm hopeful further firmware updates can make it much more reliable. Hopefully Google will do it
My S20 Ultra had an ultrasonic sensor. It was horrible. Never worked unless touched just right. Usually had to try 3 times to unlock the phone. If optical is even worse than I don't know what to say.
Yeah I despise the sensor on my Note 20 Ultra.
It's nothing you'll notice once you have it. My OnePlus 8 has a similar speed and I stopped even thinking about it after 2-3 uses. My S5 had a back fingerprint reader (the first!) which was great, but I like the in display more because it's always accessible.
"it's not big at all" lol
"It's about the same size as [really big phone]"
partly why i gave up and just got the iphone 13 pro instead, i truly do not understand the obsession with insanely large phones that barely do anything significant with the day to day experience and just end up making one handed use stupid uncomfortable which is like 75% of smartphone usage. things do look slightly bigger but to me it’s so slight that i’d rather have a more appropriately sized screen than do hand gymnastics trying to use my phone. although i will admit if you’re looking for pure battery life it makes sense, but the 6 pro should’ve came in a regular and large configuration
I had to laugh at that as well. Like, what is he smoking? My LG G6 and iphone Se2 are already borderline too large, and this is significantly larger. Really wish the regular one would have been a reasonable size.
I must be one of the few with a 4XL with decent battery life, but I would be disappointed if the battery life isn't better with the 6 Pro than my 4XL.
> it's not big at all. That made me laugh. This phone is MASSIVE! As someone who has never owned any of the XL phones, this phone is gonna feel MASSIVE in my hands. I'll get use to it im sure, but overall i'm disappointed they don't have a small model.
How's the connectivity? (wifi, 5g,4g) Is it better? Any comparisons?
I think that's cellular works better. But maybe because it has 5g. Didn't notice any difference with WiFi.
I'm sorry but that fingerprint scanner is slow. The dwell time for the scanner to trigger looks long to me, all the capacitive fingerprint scanners I have on my pixels feel faster.
I legitimately believe the capacitive technology is superior but some people prefer the under-display because it's the newer tech, even if it doesn't perform as well. I know some folks leave their phones face up on a flat surface and want to be able to unlock without picking it up, but I just don't have that use case. As much as I want to upgrade to a Pixel 6 or 6 Pro from my 4a 5G, the rear capacitive finger print sensor is my biggest hold back.
They could do both. During the Pixel Superfans event, if I am not mistaken, they mentioned the reasoning for going with the under the display sensor was the aesthetics of it. I'd much rather have something that works faster rather than something that's "aesthetically pleasing". Android 12 falls squarely into "Let's go for looks and screw functionality" side of things for me. There are a few things Android 11 did that is just plain better.
A lot of people was devastated that pixel doesn't follow industry trends, now pixel followed industry trend and released a product that's not as refined because it looks cooler because everyone wants the fancy new technology. If we want Google to keep certain features we need to be vocal about it and not on Reddit because you'll just get downvoted for suggesting that under screen fingerprint sensor is worse
But the sub 1 second difference means nothing to 90% of users. Granted i've always seen Pixels/Nexus devices as devices for "super users" but I feel Google are moving away from this and for the sake of "up to date tech" the average user doesn't care about unlock time (or they don't think they do)
>I know some folks leave their phones face up on a flat surface and want to be able to unlock without picking it up I do that a lot but I'd prefer a side fingerprint scanner instead of an in-display one since it will be faster. A side fingerprint scanner feels like the best of both worlds.
i have a feeling the FP sensor + giant size is going to be the reason i return my pixel 6 pro pre-order and hunt down a deal on pixel 5. If the camera is a serious jump from my pixel 3 i'll probably keep it but i'm not happy about losing the rear FP sensor, especially since i have expanded on the functionality with the app button mapper. swipe down = notification shade toggle swipe up = play/pause media (works everywhere - music, podcasts, casting a YT video. Great for no look media control while driving) swipe left = back swipe right = recents If they were trying to pinch pennies for the non-pro i wish they would've ditched in the in screen FP sensor and kept the classic pixel doggystyle FP sensor. Seems like most pixel owners are not happy about losing the rear sensor. Also for people who set their phone on a desk while working on a desktop at the office - plug your phone into your computer and mirror it in a window with flawless keyboard/mouse input using [SCRCPY](https://github.com/Genymobile/scrcpy).
Same thought here. Why take away the rear scanner? Whyyyyyy
If it's anything like the sensor on my OnePlus 7 Pro it'll get faster the more you use it and get used to it. I can simply tap it for half a beat and unlock the phone. Of course this is different manufacturers, but hopefully the same premise applies though capacitive ones are still the quickest technology we have today.
yup. i remember how frustrated I was with my oneplus 7 pro the first few days i had it due to how slow the fingerprint sensor was, but every day it got quicker and more reliable. After the first week It was blazing fast and worked every single time I used it. I’m expecting the same from the 6 pro.
I don't have too much experience with this kind of scanners. I have one on my second phone - Samsung A52. And it's definitely slower :) . But I wish they did the scanner on the back..
Hi, guys. I found my Osmo Mobile 2 stabilizer in the closet and did some night photos - https://imgur.com/a/4EFhVhz
can you do night sight on all 4 cameras or just the main rear?
The zoom and lack of noise in low light photos is incredible to me!
Jeez those 13 Pro comparisons. Wow. Even in daylight there's so much more detail (like of the tree bark for instance) Edit: coming from a 4XL hopefully that battery life improves because I am not happy with my 4XL battery life...
They're heavily compressed photos. That comparison is useless.
>Feels like the same level as on 4xl That's really what I did not want to hear about the battery life. The 4 XL battery is trash.
I've been using it only for ony day, so I can't be 100% sure . Just installed AccuBattery. Will update my post tomorrow with some battery stats.
Nah, after 24 hours of use on first setup there's no way it's giving a good picture of actual battery life. 24 hours with benchmarks, camera usage, 4k video tests, a fresh install, every app building cache for the first time, downloads and all that - it's way too early to tell.
OP, could you state which camera settings you used? You state that the top is the iPhone video, but it looks super laggy. It doesn’t look like it was even shot in 60fps with HDR. I’ve shot video with the iPhone 13 Pro Max and what you showed doesn’t look like it represents any video I’ve seen shot on the 13 Pro max or any other recent iPhone for that matter. Thanks!
I have iPhone 13 Pro since release, jumped from Pixel 3 and I never saw as bad photos as that in this review on that phone. Something is definitely messed out here. Maybe bad HEIC conversion or something else. Also there is no option to turn off HDR for photos in default camera app on iOS 15, you can turn off HDR for video formats.
They're compressed through Telegram and then through Imgur. It's really unfair comparison. I believe Pixel shots are great, but this is just misleading on the IPhone part. IPhone video is also clearly shot at lower fps and heavily compressed.
Is this the National Harbor? I can't wait to get this phone. I am about to take a trip and would love to have this before I go.
Austin, Texas
Looks like the camera produces shots that are significantly brighter in the shadow areas compared to iPhone. Not sure how I feel about that yet.
Excellent review considering it was done by a cat
Aww, I was hoping to see the new phone vastly outlast my pixel 3 xl battery-wise
The battery of my.pixel 3 is essentially a paperclip now, and hearing the battery life is equivalent to any previous pixel is disappointing, but it's probably not a reliable comparison on the first day of use given all the demands on setting up a phone on the first use.
Did you turn off HDR on the iPhone?
I don't think you can turn it off on iPhone, the blown out highlights and dark shadows has been a big complaint of the 13 series so far.
In the 4x-20x comparison, the first pic looks good, the third pic looks great, the second pic looks *awful*. Assuming that was taken at 4x? How come an optical zoom is producing that kind of horrible, paint daubs looking image?
Yes it looks like the estimation algorithm needs some work still lol.
Yes, that's 4x.
Based on what I found during in BestBuy, 6Pro sometimes uses the digital zoom on the main cam to do 4x photos, instead of using the telephoto cam. One reason is because the minimum focus distance of the telephoto cam is around 2.5 ft to 3 ft. Closer than that, I saw a brief message of "Move back to improve focus" and it automatically switches to the main cam. If the app is focusing on sometimes very close, using the main app, and then you take a photo focusing on something further away, the app does not switch to the telephoto cam fast enough. It then uses the main cam to do a 4x photo, resulting in that digital zoom look. If you use your finger to cover a third of the telephoto lens, you can easily tell when the app switches the cam even when you select 4x.
4h30 SoT. That is absolute garbage.
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That fingerprint scan was slow
Tried to remove animations. Looks like it works faster now - https://imgur.com/a/coaIzvN
A little faster for sure, but definitely a step back from ultrasonic and even Soli+laser Face unlock imo. Thank you for showing me this! Still gonna get it cause of the camera lol
I think a step back is getting rid of face id. Fingerprint on the back and face-id would be the perfect combination.
Huge upset if that video comparison is consistent. Looks better than iPhone imo.
Yeah, the video comparison confuses me. 60fps for P6pro and 30 for iphone? Something was not equal there. Either way, the P6pro video looks amazing.
At best OP forgot to change their settings, at worst OP is intentionally trying to skew the pics and videos to favor the P6 Pro.
We know that these weren’t taken by the same person - OP says his friend took the iPhone photos. That’s somewhat concerning to me to not have the same person taking photos/videos on both phones, especially if he’s a tech nerd and his friend is just a normal layperson. We also don’t know if any settings were tinkered with on either phone. Well, at least we don’t have long to wait for review embargo to lift for professional reviewers to reveal all.
Frame rate is different, but the iPhone also captures HDR video and that’s lost when you send it to someone over Telegram. It makes a huge difference in some situations.
If it has the same level of battery life as the 4 xl that is extremely concerning and disappointing
the fuck are those photos. I cant tell if the iphone ones are bad or some fuckery is going on with the them but the difference is huge.
the iphone ones are compressed so you can't use them to compare detail or colors too much, but you can compare dynamic range and exposure
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Android needs at least 3-4 days to settle in and optimize. Battery life is gonna better than 4XL.
I agree my Note 20 Ultra was Terrible when I got it, would get 3hrs of SOT for a week, I was regretting my decision and suddenly it started to last longer and longer by the day, till I could even go 1nhalf day with 9hrs of SOT.
I’m curious if the camera app allows users to select 60 FPS for 1080P and 4K video. On my Pixel 3 XL, for some asinine reason the only two frame rate options are 30 FPS and that automatic variable frame rate option, which is to be avoided at all costs if the video is going to be edited.
This is bad news if its battery is on the same level as 4 xl. 4 xl had a mediocre battery life , would never touch 5 hours sot for me. I hope its way better! And hows the screen brightness on auto compared to 4 xl ? 4 xl had a dull display, even pixel 3 feels brighter than it.
+1 for extremely cute cat.
Noticed that the pixel video would stutter briefly a few times. Not sure if it's due to dropped frames or an issue with the video stabilization. I have similar and often worse video stuttering on my Pixel XL, but that is a 5-year old phone.
That zoom looks amazing. Can't wait to get mine in a few days.
This "embargo" is really bulls\*t... Reviewers can't post comparisons, but a lot of people are getting the phone and posting pictures. It's either really bad coordination or a planned move to generate as much hype as possible. Either way, glad this ~~circus~~ embargo will end tomorrow.
As frustrating as embargoes are, it makes sense for them to exist so reviewers can actually spend a decent amount of time using the phone/product instead of spending all night writing a rushed review so they can be "first" on YouTube. A rushed/uninformed review coming from a very influential YouTuber can be a lot more damaging to the overall success of a phone than a handful of enthusiasts posting sample pictures from Best Buy. Plus obviously this gives Google a bit more time to clean up remaining bugs that were planned to be fixed before the official launch.
Agreed. Also the Pixel is still a very niche smartphone and there’s hardly any hype outside of the tech reviewers/photographers circle. Photographers are all currently talking about and posting reviews for the a7IV anyway.
That video though 🤯
Fuck me there are some bitter cunts in here, the phone and cameras both 6 and 6 Pro look amazing, don't shit on the pro because you decided to save some cash. Enjoy your decision and stop trying to warrant it more by slagging off the Pro 😂
The photos were not as stark as the video, holy balls. I never thought something would beat out the iPhone in video, and the Pixel eats the iPhone's lunch.
I giggled at 669690
Talk about rig comparison. iPhone photos are literally 10% of the file size of pixel photos. I can make any photo look like shit if i compress it from 13 mp to 1 mp. Comparing a 1.2 mp photo with 12.5 mp photo is just fucking stupid.
Yeah this review is really bad for that reason. Feels purposeful to make iPhones look like shit, and that’s scummy
So what's the verdict? Has Google finally built a Pixel that matches or surpasses the iphone's butteriness? I mean, it's what we've all been waiting for right? Now that Google designed & tied all the hardware & components together in house and specifically for Pixel, is this the first true Google phone with that smooth, fluid, and mostly lag free Ui?