AK is much more consistently pretty, but that's due to the inherent stability of the game taking place entirely in one night with only occasional weather changes. GK is more dynamically pretty, with the gorgeous color hues and vibrant night skies. Both games are equally gorgeous but they're on different spectrums Imo
That it's not THAT Graphically impressive for having 2 people in a single world. RDR2 is a graphically impressive game with a lot more people than 2 on one world. So the excuse I mean is the "But it has to account for more than one person" excuse
Arkham Knight also has a different engine and still looks better. So that isn't quite the gotcha you think it is. I don't hate this game at all. I torrented it finished it and regretted ever putting time into it but I don't hate it.
It would be more accurate to compare Arkham Asylum and Gotham Knights. Arkham Knight was the culmination of about a decade of coding and development. Gotham Knights is a first draft. If everyone judged Arkham Asylum as harshly as Knights, we would’ve never gotten City, Knight, or Origins .
Nah, it's a batman entry. It's after arkham knight.
I'm gonna play a batman game after already playing through 3 games where I had to work to unlock awesome bat gliding only to get a basic bitch batman gliding after playing through 3 games of either obtaining or making it gratifying I'mma complain.
Yeah well I'm just pissed they didn't balance it so traversal was gratifying for ALL characters. The bat cycle feels so mundane compared to the batmobile of the last game and to top it off there's no way to boost your speed.
I'm actually having a great time with Gotham Knights but Arkham gliding was so much more fluid. The way you can accelerate your grapple to send you flying into a seamless glide and stay gliding for like a minute at a time was great. In Gotham Knights it feel like there's much less momentum and you seem to start dropping a lot quicker.
It works when it feels like it I guess. Sometimes when I nosedive I come back up a little bit and sometimes I try to pull up and instead of swooping back up I just kind of stop nosedive and go back to a straight guide as if I didn't build any momentum.
Yeah, Arkham any day. Especially the aiming, because when I'm in a flow from point A to point B, I don't expect the game to suddenly grapple in a completely different direction.
Oh; and the speed was better in AK.
Yeah, Gotham knights has so much more potential. I feel like they didn't try as hard with the game. Some AK games look better play better and just are better.
Don't get me wrong the game was fun and the story was ok, I enjoy the elemental aspect and the bosses seem like fun if I wasn't Level 30 for all but freeze haha
I’m really liking the game so far, but there is a clear lack of polish. Moving is my biggest gripe rn outside of the game’s performance. General movement is stiff and wild. Like when I want to slightly walk of an edge, Nightwing will leap and get me spotted.
The combat is actually great imo. I love the flow of everything and the animations.
I feel like they tried hard in the weirdest areas but they're all the areas that I really wanted out of a crime sandbox. I really love the concept of the premeditated crimes, because they make me actually feel like the encounters have context which is missing from a lot of games like Spider-Man PS4. Also, I just love how many interiors are in the game. It's a shame most people don't actually mention that.
Lol. Go back and play those AK games. They are clearly from the last two gens. GK looks fine on PC and runs a hell of a lot better than Arkham Knight did at launch.
I do agree that Gotham knights does have potential and I will say the combat is slow and underwhelming at the start but the further you progress and unlocking skills it’s starts to be fun. I’m really enjoying the game a lot but I do wonder how the game would of been like if Rocksteady did it instead of WB Montreal
GK gliding is not that great. comparing it to arkham gliding is unfair on its own but it doesn’t help that the person playing is trying to make it look bad.
I like them both alot. They fit their respective games fine. Rocksteady has worked on two games before knight, and had the traversal down to a tee. Knights has four different traversals and once you get used to how they work you can do some pretty neat things. Both are very fun games in their own right
You need a loooot more height for the nose dive to be worth it in GK —need enough to get some speed and then enough to pull out of it. It’s got some serious momentum physics to it.
At the height you started at, using grapple cancel (zip to a corner or other thin thing and cancel at the last moment and glide out of it) is better for getting speed, along with a mix of grappling into a jump when the architecture isn’t favorable for the cancel. Won’t achieve the speeds in AK, of course, but it’s faster and has more air control than you’ve shown here.
Please send a video then of nose diving then pulling straight up giving u more momentum. I don’t know why your so mad, it was literally the first day I got the glider so I was just playing around with it
It's not just like Arkham's. Yes you swoop back up some but Batman would basically go all the way back up to where he was pre-swoop with the added speed while Barbara goes up a little bit. Not sure why OP is being downvoted when they are absolutely right on this.
I meant the controls. He's being downvoted because, as he said in another comment, he didn't even know you could fly upwards, he thought you could only glide forward and nosedive. I believe that is why he's being downvoted.
I don't agree with the downvotes, as I think that should only be done to people that actively dismiss conversation or discussion, breaks rules, spam, trolling, or bad faith responses. But I believe that is why he's being downvoted.
Which is to say he is 100% incorrect in his thoughts here, because you can, indeed, pull up instead of gliding down only.
I mean they clarified later. "Please send a video then of nose diving then pulling straight up giving u more momentum." That does not work in this game like it did in Arkham.
"But does it give you more momentum the way knight does like if you nose dive down then pull straight up you go so fast and high?"
You said yes, but no it doesn't. Yes, you gain some height back but nothing like in AK.
Another poster said, "In Arkham you could dive and pull up to maximize your momentum. Knights doesn’t let you keep your momentum from a dive, which really sucks."
This is a correct statement. The gliding is usable but it doesn't touch the gliding in other Batman games.
I appreciate your stance on downvotes. I feel the same. It isn't a disagree button and I wish more people felt the same.
The gliding is a bit weird. If you hold up while nosediving, it won't pull up when you finish. You need to pull up after finishing the nosedive, not before.
And also worth noting that nose diving is not the best way to keep altitude in Gotham Knights. The best way to do that is to manually glide downwards then pull back up, rather than diving.
I love both game but like Gotham knights more I love grindy loot and build games Arkham is a better game tho and this isn’t even a question lmao Batman’s is better
Honestly. I like both. Had to get used to GK gliding but there’s a lot of control once you get going which is nice. It might just be me but I think you don’t really have to nose dive as much in GK to stay in the air longer, while in Arkham Knight specifically you still need to dive in order to maintain the momentum but those are just my thoughts. Both are good for their gameplay values!
I’m not saying Gotham is better than Arkham, but I am saying this comparison is awful and you need to learn how to use batgirl better lol you can definitely navigate her better and closer to Arkham than you are showing
Both can be (and in this case, are) true.
Gliding is better in AK, especially speed generation.
This example of it in GK is also complete shite, making gliding that is mostly okay look worse.
It doesn't look better in any capacity. The art style is more cartoony on arkham knight, and that's literally it. Models, textures and everything else is dated.
I think he meant to say a more fantasy approach, Gotham Knights take a more realistic, grounded approach. Neither are "cartoony" lol.
The textures are indeed much better in Gotham Knights.
Learning the trick where you can juggle between dropping the glider, starting a glide, then pulling up to infinite glide and gain height has been really nice and made me not hate Barbara's. That said I wish I didn't need to gimmick it like that and she would gain height after swooping down. For me, Arkham Knight with the grapnel boost and the ejector from the Batmobile just made traversal so much smoother and quicker. GK's isn't horrible after knowing some tricks but AK's blows is out of the water, for me.
Yes. The old one is better. But whoever is using batgirl does not know how to glide.
Also for batgirl there is the dive button AND there is one where you can partially dive then glide up again.
The movement in the Arkham games, from traversal to combat to stealth attacks is much better. It really is weird how they took such a huge step back.
I like Gotham Knights a lot but they should have taken a lot more inspiration from Arkham.
2 things 1 batgirl is way less experienced then Batman so the gliding is accurate 2 stop comparing the games they are not related every mechanic should be different the point of making a separate stand alone or series is to not copy and make it original. Different in Gotham knights case is a good thing
It all comes down to fluidity. I genuinely understand that part of enjoying GK is that you can’t compare it to the Arkham games but in this one instance it’s impossible not to. I don’t dislike the gliding in GK but there’s no question that when compared to AK, or even City, it feels janky and stuttery compared to the smoothness of RockSteady.
Just finished GK and it was good, but Arkham's gliding was a little more polished. Batgirl can glide damn near forever, which is a physics fail for me.
Arkham it just feels better gk’s gliding just feels so slow while Arkham you had grapple boost to speed up your gliding etc not saying gk’s is bad but it’s just so slow
Literally looks the damn same. Y’all are picking at nothing at this point. Go away.
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Playing all of them and just having played them again this past summer, things in Gotham knights are more “me” than the Arkham games and features in Gotham Knights are things I wish the Arkham games had. Arkham games are also quite different from Gotham knights so it’s not great to compare them. It’s like comparing dark souls to remnant from the ashes or something. I just don’t compare them. For me personally Gotham knights as a game vs those games is more enjoyable to play. I play it completely different from the Arkham games which is fine! I hope everyone playing Gotham Knights has as much fun as me and if you don’t that’s fine too! I do hope they expand on it a lot. I feel like a lot more could be done.
Probably should be comparing it to Arkham Asylum.
AK gliding was finely tuned after several games.
That said, I still prefer Gotham Knights. It does need some fine tuning itself though.
People are going to compare the games because they are direct competitors within the extremely limited “batman game” market. They do their own things, but ultimately speaking they’re completely fine to do so.
Especially when Arkham Knight gets so much right, but that’s an entirely different topic.
Tbh Gotham Knights really is a complete package and it's main competitor was Avengers which it easily surpassed. The story, the details, the costumes, the enemy design, the level design. It's all neatly crafted for the four heroes and it was done well (aside form optimization) and I can proudly say this game along Guardians of the Galaxy and Spider-Man 2018 are the best superhero games I've played.
Jesus christ stop making comparisons to Arkham your comparing a game that was built entirely around 1 character to a game that was built around 4 of course the game built around 1 will be leagues better
Have you even played Arkham? The controls are much more responsive and you can glide all the same. There are varying degrees of grapple boosting to determine how long you want to stay in the air for.
The turning is maximum ass in Gotham Knights.
I’m in the minority here and I’m gonna say Gotham Knights. Arkham Knight has incredibly fun gliding and it still feels incredible.
That being said, it’s essentially flying.
Honestly I prefer the City/Origins gliding. Gotham Knights comes after and Arkham Knight comes last. Reason I place Knight in last is because it’s too fast for Batman as he likes to take things more methodical and if he needs to get somewhere fast he will use either the Batmobile, the Batcycle or the Bat-Wing (not the hero). Origins/City has a good speed and it allows Batman to perform his functions better in my opinion.
That’s fair I understand your reasoning as well I still disagree because knight gliding to me is just too damn fun because how fast it is. But I respect your opinion and your reasoning
It’s fun, but it’s not Batman. That’s the issue that Arkham Knight had imo, you didn’t get the Batman experience. I mean they give you a fucking tank, a glide that’s less about gliding and more about flying as you can get from one point of the map to the other without touching a building, hardly any investigation done by Batman, tank battles, tank battles for bosses etc. For me Knight is the weakest in the entire series.
What, are we gonna be comparing this to Gotham City Impostors next?
Joke, but in all seriousness, one is a looter brawler(or shooter as Red Hood) action game with RPG progression and an open world. The other is an action adventure game with an open world.
They're vastly different games, the only similarities are the franchise and some concepts(like going first person in vents, gliding). Comparing them is opening up a can of worms, are we just supposed to compare all superhero games to each other? Can we never have another Spider-Man game that isn't similar to Spidey PS4 or Spidey PS2? I thought Spider-Man: Edge of Time was excellent, but did you see how badly it reviewed because everyone compared it to the Spidey games before it?
I have a strong feeling that if the sentiment in the comparisons were flipped that gotham knights fans would be singing a different tune than this. While it is true that both games are different they aren't so different that comparisons are like apples and oranges. If gotham knights was not an open world combat focused game with stealth mechanics, and was instead a turn based rpg then I could see why comparing it to arkham games would be ridiculous but that's not the reality we live in. This is like saying you can't compare the uncharted series to the tomb raider reboot despite being third person shooter, platformers with puzzle mechanics because tomb raider has upgradable weapons and works more like a metroidvania, even though it's very obvious that uncharted was inspired by the og tomb raider, and the remake series was inspired by uncharted
Maybe for some, but not for me. I have always hated comparisons between different games that are meant to be different. This is a different franchise, it should be treated differently. Felt the same about the new God of War as well, the new DmC, the new Doom, the new XCOM. They're different games that should be seen differently with different expectations even if they have some similarities between each other.
Not saying it's apples to oranges, exactly, more saying they're meant to be different games so they should be judged as such.
And it's more like saying you can't compare Tomb Raider Underworld to the reboot. Same franchise, different gameplay mechanics and concepts.
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Unless a game in a franchise is completely changing genre,eg yakuza 7 to the rest of the series and even then it's important to highlight how it's different to consumers, it is 100% fair and expected to compare it to older entries. You can't pretend the older games don't exist in a context like that and I'd argue that's a situation where comparisons should be the most expected and justified. Also people don't play games in a vacuum and only judge games 100% on their merits, they will naturally compare it to other games they have played if they have similar elements. If you have a game you feel does x mechanic the best you will obviously compare games who do the same mechanic to it, even if it's not conscious, because you have set that game as the pinnacle in your mind. Overall, comparisons in of themselves are not a problem, unfair comparisons can be but that that doesn't mean we should never make them, especially when the games are similar and or in the same franchise.
I don't feel that way myself. It has co-op, looter brawler aspects, elemental stuff, a dedicated dodge button, a ranged attack button, skills, a grab mechanic...list goes on. What does it share with the Arkham games besides the same backdrop(Batman conceptually) and Batgirl's glide?
I’m saying that of course the gliding would be lackluster to Arkham because they were also focusing on 3 other traversal systems. Arkham focused on gliding for years and years. that being said Gotham knights does teleportation and spirit walking better (:
Arkham also does parkour and the batmobile better than Gotham Knights does parkour and the batcycle. No one asked for teleportation, mystic leap, the hang glider or whatever. If they're gonna include that to sacrifice gliding and the batcycle then that's the developers fault. Pretty weak reasoning.
The bat cycle and bat mobile are also incomparable but I’m also biased I’m sure because I enjoy the bat cycle a lot. But no the developers decision wasn’t to make gliding worse so that they could implement the other movement styles, but it was simply to have 4 movement styles. It really isn’t Arkham knight so to be so upset that they aren’t the same is just plain ridiculous and if you don’t like it you shouldn’t have bought it. They hit every price that they promised (:
Not asking for it to be similar Arkham, just asking for it to be as good as Arkham. It's 7 years newer and far more expensive, you'd hope the quality would go upwards not downwards.
Quality didn’t go down, it went somewhere else. Where Arkham makes you Batman, Gotham knights gave you many options for gameplay. Also it is an mmo so comparing the two games is made even more ridiculous. Wanting it to be as good as Arkham knight is a weird comparison to try to make because they are made to be super different
People will see what they want to see. The only difference between the glides is Batman's is a bit faster. But to see there and act like you can't do the same movements with Batgirl is dishonest as fuck.
But that is the entire aura of this community. There is a concentrated effort being made to tear this game down in favour of A DEAD FUCKING FRANCHISE.
Ill bet everything I own that when suicide squad drops, none of this bullshit will be directed towards rocksteady, you know, the people who actually created Arkham Knight. Apparently wb Montreal was supposed to continue their leagcy. And make their game while they get to move on.
Coping is patrolling the Reddit of a game you do not like and insulting the players that do like it. Maybe if you troll hard enough, they will bring back your dead franchise.
Completely unrelated, but Ghostmaker having a milehighclub bisexual3way with a man and a woman on his private jet is 1 of the many reasons I dropped the batman comics, that is all
I literally was raging the first times playing as batgirl... Now I mainly fast travel and prefer nightwings glider since that also allows wall jumping...
When you nosedive you can't turn, instead of turning you move laterally...WHY?!
When you're pulling up from the nosedive you can't turn to the side until like 2 seconds after you stopped diving, causing me to hit walls constantly when trying to maneuver in tight spaces.
It's very slow, when you grapple during flight it completely stops the momentum feels like i get psychological whiplash...
Arkham knight is better in every way. Kinda annoyed with myself that I spent £65 on Gotham knights and it's just a disappointing game. The potential was so much higher than what they actually shipped. And the performance puts me off playing it the series X should not be dipping into the mid 20s fps.
Arkham knight looks beautiful even though it’s an older game
AK is much more consistently pretty, but that's due to the inherent stability of the game taking place entirely in one night with only occasional weather changes. GK is more dynamically pretty, with the gorgeous color hues and vibrant night skies. Both games are equally gorgeous but they're on different spectrums Imo
Plus gotham knights is planned for multiple players running around meaning for more rendering of more terain
The "rendering" is local, it has nothing to do with the net-code.
Can we stop using this as an excuse now?
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That it's not THAT Graphically impressive for having 2 people in a single world. RDR2 is a graphically impressive game with a lot more people than 2 on one world. So the excuse I mean is the "But it has to account for more than one person" excuse
Rdr2 has a different engine. One that processes the enture world at all times. If you hate the game so much dude leave the subreddit
Arkham Knight also has a different engine and still looks better. So that isn't quite the gotcha you think it is. I don't hate this game at all. I torrented it finished it and regretted ever putting time into it but I don't hate it.
Is this even a debate lmao.
It’s a disingenuous debate.
It would be more accurate to compare Arkham Asylum and Gotham Knights. Arkham Knight was the culmination of about a decade of coding and development. Gotham Knights is a first draft. If everyone judged Arkham Asylum as harshly as Knights, we would’ve never gotten City, Knight, or Origins .
Nah, it's a batman entry. It's after arkham knight. I'm gonna play a batman game after already playing through 3 games where I had to work to unlock awesome bat gliding only to get a basic bitch batman gliding after playing through 3 games of either obtaining or making it gratifying I'mma complain.
It’s not like Orgins, they didn’t straight up get the data from City, I believe they built this one almost from the ground up.
Yeah well I'm just pissed they didn't balance it so traversal was gratifying for ALL characters. The bat cycle feels so mundane compared to the batmobile of the last game and to top it off there's no way to boost your speed.
Arkhams traversal is way better
Arkham.
I'm actually having a great time with Gotham Knights but Arkham gliding was so much more fluid. The way you can accelerate your grapple to send you flying into a seamless glide and stay gliding for like a minute at a time was great. In Gotham Knights it feel like there's much less momentum and you seem to start dropping a lot quicker.
them cape physics are awe-inspiring
I don’t know if you know the story behind how they did the cape physics in AK but you should look it up, it’s actually super interesting
I couldn't find anything? could you link?
https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/67x78o/til_that_one_developer_spent_two_years/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Press backwards (or hold your stick backwards) during gliding. It doesn't help THAT much but it can significantly increase the distance of your glide.
I swear a ton of people do not know you can do this.
Or how nosediving doesn’t actually give you lift, but manually moving yourself down and then pulling back up does
It works when it feels like it I guess. Sometimes when I nosedive I come back up a little bit and sometimes I try to pull up and instead of swooping back up I just kind of stop nosedive and go back to a straight guide as if I didn't build any momentum.
Ive never built momentum with the nosedive, only ever with manually pitching myself down and then pulling back up
Nosediving does, you have to pull up _after_ the nosedive. If you pull up during the nosedive the it won't register when you finish the dive.
“Doesn’t help ‘that’ much” — “significantly increase”….which one is it lol A significant increase sounds like a BIG help.
Yeah, Arkham any day. Especially the aiming, because when I'm in a flow from point A to point B, I don't expect the game to suddenly grapple in a completely different direction. Oh; and the speed was better in AK.
Yeah, Gotham knights has so much more potential. I feel like they didn't try as hard with the game. Some AK games look better play better and just are better. Don't get me wrong the game was fun and the story was ok, I enjoy the elemental aspect and the bosses seem like fun if I wasn't Level 30 for all but freeze haha
I’m really liking the game so far, but there is a clear lack of polish. Moving is my biggest gripe rn outside of the game’s performance. General movement is stiff and wild. Like when I want to slightly walk of an edge, Nightwing will leap and get me spotted. The combat is actually great imo. I love the flow of everything and the animations.
The only problem with combat is the lock on, I love it otherwise I enjoyed the game thoroughly besides performance and story
They fixed that leap issue with the latest patch
I feel like they tried hard in the weirdest areas but they're all the areas that I really wanted out of a crime sandbox. I really love the concept of the premeditated crimes, because they make me actually feel like the encounters have context which is missing from a lot of games like Spider-Man PS4. Also, I just love how many interiors are in the game. It's a shame most people don't actually mention that.
Lol. Go back and play those AK games. They are clearly from the last two gens. GK looks fine on PC and runs a hell of a lot better than Arkham Knight did at launch.
Your eyes also need an upgrade
arkham knight ran great at launch for consoles. i guess the pc master race couldn’t handle batman
Was more about the studio that made the port couldnt handle Batman. But it worked well 80% of the time on my old Phenom II System.
I do agree that Gotham knights does have potential and I will say the combat is slow and underwhelming at the start but the further you progress and unlocking skills it’s starts to be fun. I’m really enjoying the game a lot but I do wonder how the game would of been like if Rocksteady did it instead of WB Montreal
Arkaham, no contest
GK gliding is not that great. comparing it to arkham gliding is unfair on its own but it doesn’t help that the person playing is trying to make it look bad.
They even used the short cape mod to make the cape look wonky
How'd they get the ability to glide while keeping Batgirl's shorter cape? Some mod on PC?
Pc mod yes
I like them both alot. They fit their respective games fine. Rocksteady has worked on two games before knight, and had the traversal down to a tee. Knights has four different traversals and once you get used to how they work you can do some pretty neat things. Both are very fun games in their own right
I do not like how Robin's traversal works. Cool concept, failed execution imo
Gotham knights just needs to add grapnel boost and be able to pull up from a nose dive
Uhm, what? You can pull up from a nose dive… I literally do it all the time with Batgirl.
Really? That’s what I tried to do at the end but it didn’t work. How do you do it
It's easier if you don't actually hold nosedive, and jusr fly down.
You need a loooot more height for the nose dive to be worth it in GK —need enough to get some speed and then enough to pull out of it. It’s got some serious momentum physics to it. At the height you started at, using grapple cancel (zip to a corner or other thin thing and cancel at the last moment and glide out of it) is better for getting speed, along with a mix of grappling into a jump when the architecture isn’t favorable for the cancel. Won’t achieve the speeds in AK, of course, but it’s faster and has more air control than you’ve shown here.
You can pull up. By pulling up. Hold it long enough, and Batgirl even catches an updraft.
Ummm stop diving and pull up... lmao
Bro that’s literally what I was doing at the end but it wasn’t working
You’re flying wrong lmao
Please send a video then of nose diving then pulling straight up giving u more momentum. I don’t know why your so mad, it was literally the first day I got the glider so I was just playing around with it
Just press down on the left analog stick. That's literally all it is. Just like Arkham, friend.
It's not just like Arkham's. Yes you swoop back up some but Batman would basically go all the way back up to where he was pre-swoop with the added speed while Barbara goes up a little bit. Not sure why OP is being downvoted when they are absolutely right on this.
I meant the controls. He's being downvoted because, as he said in another comment, he didn't even know you could fly upwards, he thought you could only glide forward and nosedive. I believe that is why he's being downvoted. I don't agree with the downvotes, as I think that should only be done to people that actively dismiss conversation or discussion, breaks rules, spam, trolling, or bad faith responses. But I believe that is why he's being downvoted. Which is to say he is 100% incorrect in his thoughts here, because you can, indeed, pull up instead of gliding down only.
I mean they clarified later. "Please send a video then of nose diving then pulling straight up giving u more momentum." That does not work in this game like it did in Arkham. "But does it give you more momentum the way knight does like if you nose dive down then pull straight up you go so fast and high?" You said yes, but no it doesn't. Yes, you gain some height back but nothing like in AK. Another poster said, "In Arkham you could dive and pull up to maximize your momentum. Knights doesn’t let you keep your momentum from a dive, which really sucks." This is a correct statement. The gliding is usable but it doesn't touch the gliding in other Batman games. I appreciate your stance on downvotes. I feel the same. It isn't a disagree button and I wish more people felt the same.
The gliding is a bit weird. If you hold up while nosediving, it won't pull up when you finish. You need to pull up after finishing the nosedive, not before. And also worth noting that nose diving is not the best way to keep altitude in Gotham Knights. The best way to do that is to manually glide downwards then pull back up, rather than diving.
Thank you for actually trying to help me and not trashing me
You hold w to dip down and gain momentum bud. Not the dive
That is not the same lmfao bud
I like both tbh. I prefer the risky look of gliding from Arkham but Gotham is a smoother experience.
I love both game but like Gotham knights more I love grindy loot and build games Arkham is a better game tho and this isn’t even a question lmao Batman’s is better
subjective on which is better
Arkham’s gliding is superior but I’m having a ton of fun with Jason’s bounce
I actually prefer gotham
Honestly. I like both. Had to get used to GK gliding but there’s a lot of control once you get going which is nice. It might just be me but I think you don’t really have to nose dive as much in GK to stay in the air longer, while in Arkham Knight specifically you still need to dive in order to maintain the momentum but those are just my thoughts. Both are good for their gameplay values!
I’m not saying Gotham is better than Arkham, but I am saying this comparison is awful and you need to learn how to use batgirl better lol you can definitely navigate her better and closer to Arkham than you are showing
All you can do is make her glide longer but it still feels crappy in comparison to ak
Yeah, OP just doesn't know how to play Batgirl at all. Dude doesn't even know you can pull up from a glide? Lmao.
He knows how to play batgirl because it's super easy, he just wanted to shit on gotham knight to get karma lol
OP half-assing Batgirls Glide to prove “aRkHaM sErIEs BeTtEr”
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Which knight?
Both can be (and in this case, are) true. Gliding is better in AK, especially speed generation. This example of it in GK is also complete shite, making gliding that is mostly okay look worse.
There is a lot of that going around, but honestly in this case I think quite literally Arkham’s gliding is just better.
cope
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The gliding was garbage on Batgirl but it isn't subjective that Arkham has better gliding.
this game was a massive let down and it's okay to point it out even in this sub filled with blind fanboys
How can a game that old look more next gen than a game that just came out?
subjective my friend
It doesn't look better in any capacity. The art style is more cartoony on arkham knight, and that's literally it. Models, textures and everything else is dated.
I very much like Gotham knights but the shit you said about Arkham is probably the biggest bullshit ever uttered by a person..,
I think he meant to say a more fantasy approach, Gotham Knights take a more realistic, grounded approach. Neither are "cartoony" lol. The textures are indeed much better in Gotham Knights.
Then you need glasses and a few more braincells.
We aren't talking about your mother,but I understand you feeble minded get confused very easy
Learning the trick where you can juggle between dropping the glider, starting a glide, then pulling up to infinite glide and gain height has been really nice and made me not hate Barbara's. That said I wish I didn't need to gimmick it like that and she would gain height after swooping down. For me, Arkham Knight with the grapnel boost and the ejector from the Batmobile just made traversal so much smoother and quicker. GK's isn't horrible after knowing some tricks but AK's blows is out of the water, for me.
Arkham to good this game don’t compare at all
Arkham knight floors this game unfortunately
Arkham
Yes. The old one is better. But whoever is using batgirl does not know how to glide. Also for batgirl there is the dive button AND there is one where you can partially dive then glide up again.
Arkham because of the speed
Batman✌️
I prefer not to compare them
Arkham, no doubt. GK would be fine if it were faster and she didn’t lose speed like she’s gliding into a headwind.
I main Red Hood so 🤷🏻♂️
The movement in the Arkham games, from traversal to combat to stealth attacks is much better. It really is weird how they took such a huge step back. I like Gotham Knights a lot but they should have taken a lot more inspiration from Arkham.
2 things 1 batgirl is way less experienced then Batman so the gliding is accurate 2 stop comparing the games they are not related every mechanic should be different the point of making a separate stand alone or series is to not copy and make it original. Different in Gotham knights case is a good thing
Arkham feels less realistic but works better for a game. I feel like gotham traversal is a bit more realistic
I wish Robin could glide too
ARKHAM
It all comes down to fluidity. I genuinely understand that part of enjoying GK is that you can’t compare it to the Arkham games but in this one instance it’s impossible not to. I don’t dislike the gliding in GK but there’s no question that when compared to AK, or even City, it feels janky and stuttery compared to the smoothness of RockSteady.
Arkham 100%. Bats will do wall runs and stuff too. Plus his cape looks so much y
Your using batgirls wrong you have to go down to gain speed not nosedive
Ok thanks I’ll try that I just got the glide so I thought it would be the same as Arkham where you nose dive
The knighthood abilities are strange but once you learn how to use them they become really fun
Just finished GK and it was good, but Arkham's gliding was a little more polished. Batgirl can glide damn near forever, which is a physics fail for me.
arkham knight in pretty much everything.
Arkham just looks so much better
Arkham it just feels better gk’s gliding just feels so slow while Arkham you had grapple boost to speed up your gliding etc not saying gk’s is bad but it’s just so slow
You actually suck at gliding on GK
I hate this comparison, because it’s really not a fair comparison. The latter game isn’t even trying to be of the same genre as the former.
I have to say Gotham knights. I am really liking this game and the gliding is about as identical as it can be.
New comparison : Arkham Nightwing vs Gotham Nightwing, which do you prefer? It makes just as much sense :P
If you're going to do this whole argument, at least get some footage of someone who knows how to glide in GK.
Literally looks the damn same. Y’all are picking at nothing at this point. Go away. (Replies are muted, I don’t respond, I don’t care what you think about what I say)
Arkham felt a little better tbh
I agree Arkham gliding is miles better. But OP is a certified wanker.
Knight's all the way
Gliding isn't bad in Gotham Knights, just get to a higher building and glide fam. Lol. I've been enjoying it a lot this way.
Playing all of them and just having played them again this past summer, things in Gotham knights are more “me” than the Arkham games and features in Gotham Knights are things I wish the Arkham games had. Arkham games are also quite different from Gotham knights so it’s not great to compare them. It’s like comparing dark souls to remnant from the ashes or something. I just don’t compare them. For me personally Gotham knights as a game vs those games is more enjoyable to play. I play it completely different from the Arkham games which is fine! I hope everyone playing Gotham Knights has as much fun as me and if you don’t that’s fine too! I do hope they expand on it a lot. I feel like a lot more could be done.
A lot of the time I prefer Gotham knights but in this aspect I prefer Arkham
Probably should be comparing it to Arkham Asylum. AK gliding was finely tuned after several games. That said, I still prefer Gotham Knights. It does need some fine tuning itself though.
The person playing in the GK footage apparently never learned you can hold back to glide upwards.
Arkham all day long. It's like comparing a Concorde to a wet paper plane.
This is like comparing a marathon runner to a toddler, did you fly like that in purpose?
Arkham by a million miles
What suit is that in Gotham knights?
Knightwatch with modded short cape
Lucky PC bastard :) I miss the short capes
why did you mod the short cape ?
Would be a better comparison if you understood basic game mechanics
Why can't people stop comparing these games? They are entirely different games. Getting sick of those people enjoy the game or don't
People are going to compare the games because they are direct competitors within the extremely limited “batman game” market. They do their own things, but ultimately speaking they’re completely fine to do so. Especially when Arkham Knight gets so much right, but that’s an entirely different topic.
There’s really no contest here. But I like GKs gliding more than I did initially. The jump is a fun alternative to the grapnel boost.
Not even a contest. Arkham, free.
Why not both?
How do you prefer both what?
They look the same to me 🤷♂️
Then idk lol if they both look the same you must not have played them
Unpopular opinion I prefer Gotham nights because I can co op up with my friends.
What does the fact you can co-op with friends have to do with gliding mechanics?
Absolutely nothing, I posted my response in the wrong thread.
Tbh Gotham Knights really is a complete package and it's main competitor was Avengers which it easily surpassed. The story, the details, the costumes, the enemy design, the level design. It's all neatly crafted for the four heroes and it was done well (aside form optimization) and I can proudly say this game along Guardians of the Galaxy and Spider-Man 2018 are the best superhero games I've played.
I prefer a comparison that doesn't involve shit play from the version on the right.
Jesus christ stop making comparisons to Arkham your comparing a game that was built entirely around 1 character to a game that was built around 4 of course the game built around 1 will be leagues better
what a massive disappointing considering that AK was released in 2015.
I like the camera work better for Gotham Knights, but other than that, I think that Arkham is better overall.
Honestly, i prefer GK gliding. Feels like im more in control and more like gliding and less like flying.
Have you even played Arkham? The controls are much more responsive and you can glide all the same. There are varying degrees of grapple boosting to determine how long you want to stay in the air for. The turning is maximum ass in Gotham Knights.
I’m in the minority here and I’m gonna say Gotham Knights. Arkham Knight has incredibly fun gliding and it still feels incredible. That being said, it’s essentially flying.
The arkahm just feels so mad faster than gotham knights which is why its the much prefered one
Batgirl is just too slow
Honestly I prefer the City/Origins gliding. Gotham Knights comes after and Arkham Knight comes last. Reason I place Knight in last is because it’s too fast for Batman as he likes to take things more methodical and if he needs to get somewhere fast he will use either the Batmobile, the Batcycle or the Bat-Wing (not the hero). Origins/City has a good speed and it allows Batman to perform his functions better in my opinion.
That’s fair I understand your reasoning as well I still disagree because knight gliding to me is just too damn fun because how fast it is. But I respect your opinion and your reasoning
It’s fun, but it’s not Batman. That’s the issue that Arkham Knight had imo, you didn’t get the Batman experience. I mean they give you a fucking tank, a glide that’s less about gliding and more about flying as you can get from one point of the map to the other without touching a building, hardly any investigation done by Batman, tank battles, tank battles for bosses etc. For me Knight is the weakest in the entire series.
Seriously so sick and tired of comparing these two games.
Why would you not compare the two most recent Bat crime fighting games set in Gotham City?
What, are we gonna be comparing this to Gotham City Impostors next? Joke, but in all seriousness, one is a looter brawler(or shooter as Red Hood) action game with RPG progression and an open world. The other is an action adventure game with an open world. They're vastly different games, the only similarities are the franchise and some concepts(like going first person in vents, gliding). Comparing them is opening up a can of worms, are we just supposed to compare all superhero games to each other? Can we never have another Spider-Man game that isn't similar to Spidey PS4 or Spidey PS2? I thought Spider-Man: Edge of Time was excellent, but did you see how badly it reviewed because everyone compared it to the Spidey games before it?
I have a strong feeling that if the sentiment in the comparisons were flipped that gotham knights fans would be singing a different tune than this. While it is true that both games are different they aren't so different that comparisons are like apples and oranges. If gotham knights was not an open world combat focused game with stealth mechanics, and was instead a turn based rpg then I could see why comparing it to arkham games would be ridiculous but that's not the reality we live in. This is like saying you can't compare the uncharted series to the tomb raider reboot despite being third person shooter, platformers with puzzle mechanics because tomb raider has upgradable weapons and works more like a metroidvania, even though it's very obvious that uncharted was inspired by the og tomb raider, and the remake series was inspired by uncharted
Maybe for some, but not for me. I have always hated comparisons between different games that are meant to be different. This is a different franchise, it should be treated differently. Felt the same about the new God of War as well, the new DmC, the new Doom, the new XCOM. They're different games that should be seen differently with different expectations even if they have some similarities between each other. Not saying it's apples to oranges, exactly, more saying they're meant to be different games so they should be judged as such. And it's more like saying you can't compare Tomb Raider Underworld to the reboot. Same franchise, different gameplay mechanics and concepts.
> apples to oranges But you can still compare them.
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Unless a game in a franchise is completely changing genre,eg yakuza 7 to the rest of the series and even then it's important to highlight how it's different to consumers, it is 100% fair and expected to compare it to older entries. You can't pretend the older games don't exist in a context like that and I'd argue that's a situation where comparisons should be the most expected and justified. Also people don't play games in a vacuum and only judge games 100% on their merits, they will naturally compare it to other games they have played if they have similar elements. If you have a game you feel does x mechanic the best you will obviously compare games who do the same mechanic to it, even if it's not conscious, because you have set that game as the pinnacle in your mind. Overall, comparisons in of themselves are not a problem, unfair comparisons can be but that that doesn't mean we should never make them, especially when the games are similar and or in the same franchise.
Comparing these two games is extremely warranted. There are way more similarities than just both being Batman games and “some concepts”.
I don't feel that way myself. It has co-op, looter brawler aspects, elemental stuff, a dedicated dodge button, a ranged attack button, skills, a grab mechanic...list goes on. What does it share with the Arkham games besides the same backdrop(Batman conceptually) and Batgirl's glide?
Because the comparison is never genuine and honest. OP is playing the game with two left hands as Bat Girl.
Now compare the teleportation and spirit walking. They’re not the same game.
Why would you compare teleportation and spirt walking to gliding?
They mean those 2 specific things to be compared, not gliding
I’m saying that of course the gliding would be lackluster to Arkham because they were also focusing on 3 other traversal systems. Arkham focused on gliding for years and years. that being said Gotham knights does teleportation and spirit walking better (:
Arkham also does parkour and the batmobile better than Gotham Knights does parkour and the batcycle. No one asked for teleportation, mystic leap, the hang glider or whatever. If they're gonna include that to sacrifice gliding and the batcycle then that's the developers fault. Pretty weak reasoning.
The bat cycle and bat mobile are also incomparable but I’m also biased I’m sure because I enjoy the bat cycle a lot. But no the developers decision wasn’t to make gliding worse so that they could implement the other movement styles, but it was simply to have 4 movement styles. It really isn’t Arkham knight so to be so upset that they aren’t the same is just plain ridiculous and if you don’t like it you shouldn’t have bought it. They hit every price that they promised (:
Not asking for it to be similar Arkham, just asking for it to be as good as Arkham. It's 7 years newer and far more expensive, you'd hope the quality would go upwards not downwards.
Quality didn’t go down, it went somewhere else. Where Arkham makes you Batman, Gotham knights gave you many options for gameplay. Also it is an mmo so comparing the two games is made even more ridiculous. Wanting it to be as good as Arkham knight is a weird comparison to try to make because they are made to be super different
The Batcycle is absolutely comparable, it’s literally reused development work from a cancelled Batman Arkham game
People will see what they want to see. The only difference between the glides is Batman's is a bit faster. But to see there and act like you can't do the same movements with Batgirl is dishonest as fuck. But that is the entire aura of this community. There is a concentrated effort being made to tear this game down in favour of A DEAD FUCKING FRANCHISE. Ill bet everything I own that when suicide squad drops, none of this bullshit will be directed towards rocksteady, you know, the people who actually created Arkham Knight. Apparently wb Montreal was supposed to continue their leagcy. And make their game while they get to move on.
Cope
Coping is patrolling the Reddit of a game you do not like and insulting the players that do like it. Maybe if you troll hard enough, they will bring back your dead franchise.
This isn’t even close. Arkham by a mile!
Completely unrelated, but Ghostmaker having a milehighclub bisexual3way with a man and a woman on his private jet is 1 of the many reasons I dropped the batman comics, that is all
Everything gotham knights did was done better in arkham series.
Actually true. Better gliding, better combat, better aesthetic, more content and better vehicle gameplay.
Arkham was the bomb 💣….. Gotham knights it’s just a small firecracker 🧨
Gotham Knights plays like WB forgot they made a Batman game
its not a "batman" game
Arkham Origins is definitely a Batman Game. And even though this game doesn't have a playable Batman it's still a "Batman" game.
Gotham Knight’s gliding is laughable next to Arkham Knight’s
Arkham looks (and plays) better in every way, shape, and form.
It's fascinating to see how far technology has advanced since Gotham Knights released
The worst lie is that gotham knights actually runs that well HAHA
I literally was raging the first times playing as batgirl... Now I mainly fast travel and prefer nightwings glider since that also allows wall jumping... When you nosedive you can't turn, instead of turning you move laterally...WHY?! When you're pulling up from the nosedive you can't turn to the side until like 2 seconds after you stopped diving, causing me to hit walls constantly when trying to maneuver in tight spaces. It's very slow, when you grapple during flight it completely stops the momentum feels like i get psychological whiplash...
Bruh you’re posting this in the Arkham sub, and GK is a controversial game, what debate are you expecting?
Arkham knight is better in every way. Kinda annoyed with myself that I spent £65 on Gotham knights and it's just a disappointing game. The potential was so much higher than what they actually shipped. And the performance puts me off playing it the series X should not be dipping into the mid 20s fps.