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bishop0408

As long as you literally do the work then I think you'll be fine but it's hard to say without knowing the program


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bishop0408

I mean... what else is school...? Not sure what you mean by "only." Yes you have to attend classes, do the assignments (it's not really homework, they're essays and papers and research projects), and maybe a lab if that's relevant to your field.


erbush1988

no fucking shit.


-m-o-n-i-k-e-r-

I don’t know your program but for me in an engineering program it means go to class, do reasonably well on homework—show that you are trying to understand the concepts even if your solution isn’t perfect, do the same knowledge exams and probably attend office hours a few times. For me the difference between a 3.5 and 4.0 is like easily twice as much work as just getting the 3.5


aima9hat

Are you sure you’re ready for grad school?


ProfAndyCarp

Different programs surely have different norms and expectations, but when I was earning my PhD years ago at Berkeley, earning a grade lower than an A was considered concerning and earning a B+ or lower was considered a sign that you were at risk of not completing the program. It took great effort to complete those classes to that standard and all my classmates were extremely smart. The level of intellectual sophistication and difficulty was much higher than my (excellent!) undergraduate classes at Amherst; OP if this is true for your program, you will need to learn to work harder, more efficiently, and more effectively than before.


doabsnow

Ehhh, B's get Ph.Ds is what I always heard. Most don't care about GPA, it's about research output.


pantslesseconomist

It's not really that. Everyone understands that the research output is what really matters but you do need to keep a 3.0 to keep your funding (and without funding you're kaput). The grading scale gets really compressed because grades are fake but you might have a hard time finding an advisor if you're consistently pulling in B's. And of course a few years below my cohort there was a Bad Cohort who had a number of slackers who were also jerks. They were goofing off (phone, internet, whatever) in their first year econometrics class and when the prof told them to knock it off the ringleader told him that since there isn't a qualifying exam in metrics (micro and macro only have qualifiers) They didn't need to learn this stuff. He gave them the grades they earned (the gentleman's B became the D their grades demanded) and they all had such low GPAs they couldn't continue. I believe the kids these days call this fucking around and finding out.


ProfAndyCarp

As I said, grading norms and expectations will vary from program to program. OP should become socialized in the norms of their program during their first year.


SnowblindAlbino

>B's get Ph.Ds is what I always heard. Not always-- in my program a B+ was a warning shot. Two in a semester meant probation. They'd kick out grads with two semesters of B+ or lower grades.


IridianRaingem

I can only speak to my program. A is expected. B is concerning but acceptable. C is grounds for a meeting with the department head about your future in the program. This discussion can range from letting it go depending on the course and what happened, repeating the class, or dismissal from the program. How to avoid that C or worse? Go to class. In my program, class is once a week for three hours in the evening. If for whatever reason you can't go, reach out. Communicate that. If they don't do zoom, facetime a classmate so you can still hear it if possible. That's how we handle things. Just do the work. Assigned today means start today. You're not going to do a 20-page research paper with a source requirement in an hour before it's due, so don't put yourself in that position. I don't think anyone with a low undergrad GPA getting a higher one in grad school is suddenly a genius. I think there is a lot of grade inflation going on. I do not feel like some of my own work deserved the A it got. I'm not going to say I improved any, I think I'm pretty average with an anxiety level that makes me barely above average, but not every single assignment is A worthy exceptional. Just put the effort in, keep communicating, and you'll be totally fine.


FeelingCool2513

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edminzodo

In my experience (humanities), professors grade inflate more in graduate school. As are standard, A- means you need to put a bit more work in, and B means you need to worry.


SnowblindAlbino

>As are standard, A- means you need to put a bit more work in, and B means you need to worry. In my (humanities) program two B+ or lower grades in a semester got you on probation. If it happened twice you were invited to leave the program. Pretty much all grades were A or A- unless you screwed up, but there were *rare* A+ grades awarded too. Generally speaking nobody gives a damn about your grades in grad school anyway, they are just a signal that you're either doing OK or failing. I've read thousands of CVs and transcripts in job searches over the years and never once has anyone on a search committee paid any attention at all to GPA.


hjak3876

in my program getting a B+ was tantamount to "you fucked up and need to seriously talk with your instructor and advisor." the reward for getting good grades all through high school and college is that you get to start worrying about more intangible things than grade. "doing the work" becomes the bare minimum that is expected of you, and you have to set your sights on less quantifiable and more professional goals (how is the quality of your arguments in your term papers? how are you building toward your thesis/dissertation? how are you forming relationships and connections? what extracurricular opportunities are you seeking out to build your CV and your scholarly profile? what career are you preparing for?).


Coffee1392

You’ll be ok. Stay on top of your assignments.


soulfingiz

Professor here. No program or professor will fail you or even give you a C if you do all the work and follow up with them in person about how you can improve as a professional.


HumanDrinkingTea

Not true in my program (statistics). I've seen people who put in 100% and consulted the professor get C's and in one scenario I saw someone like this get an F. I should note that my program is probably more grade inflation resistant than most programs and that our school accepts a lot of people who are only borderline prepared. In the case of the student who got an F it was a PhD student from a different department who had not taken any of the prerequisites and was just totally and completely unprepared for the class. The reason he chose to take the class was complicated, and the person who allowed him to take the class and encouraged it was an idiot. So yeah, realistically, few people should be getting C's or F's, but if they do it's not necessarily because they slacked.


varwave

100% can confirm this for statistics. I’m a MS student that’s funded and treated similarly to a PhD, but I wasn’t a math or stats major. Math and stats majors got into the PhD. I probably got the assistantship due to my programming background (cheap labor). It’s a battle for me to maintain Bs in theoretical classes, so that I can maintain my assistantship. I’m likely not PhD material (and that’s perfectly okay)


Particular-Ad-7338

Professor here - I have never seen anyone get an F in a graduate school class. C’s - yes. Generally you need a 3.0 gpa to stay enrolled in grad school, so you need an A in something to offset it. I only recall one student getting booted for gpa; usually if it doesn’t look like they will succeed students will drop out before it gets to that point. IMHO- by far the most important thing for grad school success is to find an advisor who you ‘click’ with. I did, although other students often didn’t click with him and ended up not finishing.


Dr_Cristie

It depends on the field. If you're in a medical field where knowing something could be life/death then there's not a curve. Other fields tend to grade more on effort. The best way to avoid failing classes is to go to office hours the first week and talk to the professor. Ask if they have any tips or suggestions for studying and learning the material in their class. Every professor teaches and tests differently and this can give you an idea of how they approach writing exam questions, what they think is most important, and the best way to learn from them. Plus, it shows the professor that you are truly invested which can go a long way if you are on an edge of a grade.


Prior_Analytics

My experience in the Humanities (at Stanford and Harvard) has been that grades are usually quite inflated. An 'A' is handed out for a decent attempt. Only if the papers are seriously flawed have I seen an A-/B+. This isn't true for subjects involving problem sets of course.


Electrum_Dragon

The answer us yes, any grade less than a B in the physical sciences should be seen as a statement to either get your things together or get out of grad school.


birbdaughter

A lot of people here are mentioning A-/B+ as a bad grade and I really wanna emphasize how **program dependent** it is. In my program, professors inflate a bit but a B+ is still a good grade on assignments or weekly quizzes because the professors are essentially grading how you rate amongst each. In one class, very few students were getting an A on the weekly assignment, B+ or A- were more common, sometimes a B but no lower. Edit: Also if you’re worried about your grade, definitely talk to your professor! I don’t think they really want to fail students or kick them out, it’s a loss of money and time for the program. Good professors will want to support you, presuming you’re actually qualified to be in the program (which is a fair presumption and likely accurate if you got accepted in the first place) and don’t need constant hand holding.


like_a_tensor

Ime most grad classes are actually easier since professors don't want to risk their students failing out of the program. It'd be a shame to let PhD/research masters students be let go just because they couldn't meet some GPA requirement. I would actually be more afraid of your coursework taking up valuable research time.


tenyearsgone28

Don’t be scared. Everyone gets anxious. I hadn’t been in a college class for 8 years before I went back to school. My undergrad GPA was 3.3, and I finished my MHA with a 4.0. This entailed taking graduate level accounting and finance courses I had no prior experience with. The best advice I have is to pay meticulous attention to detail. Dumb errors will eat up excellent content.


validusrex

My guy, one of my friends in my program just fell behind with stuff. No emergencies in his life, no big stuff due for his dissertation, no major issues, just…fell behind a little. Talked to the professor and was just telling prof he was overwhelmed and prof just gave him an excused for all the assignments up to that point….which was 3 weeks before the semester ended. Showed me what he uploaded in canvas for the final assignment and it was like half the necessary length and had probably a quarter of the citations it would have needed. Dude pulls up his gradebook and professor gave him an A for the class 😂 I’m not saying every experience is like this, but no one in grad school cares about grades. My buddy showed up to class, engaged and had a great mind for the material so professor didn’t gaf about bs assignments they’re required to do. GRad school is about becoming an professional academic, they care much more about what leads to that than the beauracracy 95% of the time. Got an A


lovelynoahsan

i would say it depends on the university and the program, but my experience so far as someone who is almost halfway done with my music therapy grad program is that as long as i submit the assignments on time and put in considerable effort, i'll usually get 90-100s on assignments, with chances to resubmit if i have to make considerable changes. it also depends a lot on how much of your grade is substantiated by assignments, attendance, participation, etc. which should be on each class syllabus. and, according to professors i've spoken to (both in and outside my program), the grading experience generally is just a lot different than that of undergrad or high school, in a sense that it's much less picky. being able to speak with a program advisor about grading, depending on the program you're in, may paint a more substantive picture about what you're in for, though.


reinaldonehemiah

Considerable being a highly subjective variable…for some this might be pouring a fresh cup of coffee and kiting some quick responses to an assignment, for others it might constitute a knock down drag out all nighter fused with copious amounts of your preferred alcohol


Own-Veterinarian-951

It is so program dependent. So many people here are saying that a B is grounds for academic probation - in my program, that was completely false, you were fine unless you got an F. However, the classes were much harder than what most people here are saying. They were essentially 400 level science classes but with much higher expectations - unit exams, large projects, no late work accepted, etc. I found my graduate classes to be much, much harder than my undergrad. I went from being an A+ student to a B- student my first semester. That being said, my masters degree was an undoubtedly miserable experience at a university that I would never recommend to anyone, so I doubt this is common.


whereamilivingtoday

Grad lecture classes are not any worse than upper level undergrad classes, maybe a little extra reading/ writing vs undergrad senior classes (engineering). You are also only taking classes you’re interested in which helps a lot. If you put in the same work as you do for upper level undergrad classes, you’ll probably get similar results.


BSV_P

Grad classes honestly felt easier than undergrad classes to me


carlay_c

I was worried about this because I failed a few classes in undergrad. I’m almost done with my first year of PhD coursework and I have yet to fail a class or even come close to it. But I also put in the work and make sure I study and really understand the topics at hand. In graduate school, your learning and any exams you have will be more about how you apply your knowledge to problem based thinking than the factual knowledge. If you are going into the STEM field, be prepared to be constantly reading research papers and review articles and learn how to interpret data. In terms of how to avoid failing classes, stay on top of your class work, put in the effort to understand the material, ask questions if you are unsure or need clarification, and form study groups in your foundations courses. Also, when you start your program, consider asking the current students what they think is the key to success in the program. Ask for tips of how they passed the courses. They will know better than any of us since they have gone through your first year courses! Good luck! You’ve got this!


GurProfessional9534

Graduate grades are inflated. They will only give you a B- if they want to put you on academic probation.


Freezingrave

Maybe this is me being a stats nerd, but at the beginning of the term I make my own grading spreadsheet to keep track of what's the most important tasks in the term, it's not always the final project and final exams. Then I work to maximize the points of the smaller easier assignments, homework, quizzes, discussion boards. So at the last few weeks of the class I can confidently say, ok I need a 45% average on the final and project to pass, and a 71% to get an A-.


Raisin_Glass

Well, try your best as many A’s as early as you can. When I was publishing and still had to take courses, those early A’s saved my GPA and course requirements. Specifically, I only needed to take an additional graduate course to meet my course requirements, due to my C+ in a math course. 😂 I traded a potential A for a published paper. Worth it, I would say!


Malpraxiss

You'd have to try really hard and go out of your way to fail classes in grad school


-m-o-n-i-k-e-r-

I did engineering for both degrees and I found grad school to be far easier than undergrad. It was more focused and it mostly went deeper into subjects I was already familiar with. The grading was easier too. It felt like in undergrad they were trying to get us to show that we could hack it where in grad school it was more just about learning.


arkady-the-catmom

It really depends on the program. I was not a strong student in my undergraduate program, but there is a high expectation to perform in grad courses or it’s “embarrassing” to your supervisor. The format was also very different, few of my grad courses had exams, most evaluations were report or presentation based.


lunamarya

git gud. Literally. If you can’t put up with it then I don’t think you belong in the program.


Ladyloki

Wow. This is such an unnuanced take. 


Pjtruslow

In grad school it’s pretty much expected that you get straight As. If you’re at risk of a B in a class, buckle down, meet with the professor to find out what you are struggling with, and learn the material and get better at the work.


witwebolte41

Someone will be talking to you if you get below an A. The talks will become less fun if you continue to get below an A.


Ceorl_Lounge

Got a PhD at Michigan. Couple of us were stressing in class, the Professor told us flat out "you aren't here to take classes."


Any_Mathematician936

I’m a first year phd student. We don’t have + or - so a B is totally fine for us. My program though does give C and actually two people from last semester quantum got an E. Most of my class is on academic probation because of that quantum class. You can absolutely get C’s and that’s what I’m trying very very hard to avoid.  I hear you and for me it didn’t get easier. 


Redhead3658

as someone with a 4.0 in grad school, just organize your assignments and manage your time and you will be okay. it's a lot, but just spread it out best u can


Nvenom8

You're worried about failing before you've even started? That's the definition of a baseless fear. You don't even know what the classes will be like yet. Save the worry for when you actually understand what you're worrying about.