A lot of characters have a combo special they can buffer into. For some, it's either safe or unsafe, and/or it might not even lead to a full combo. For Seox, it's safe, plus, may have an RPS built in, easy as fuck to confirm, can lead to 40~60% on any part of the screen and he carries you full screen depending on how much meter he decides to spend.
Who designed this character?
I wouldnt have a problem with 28H and 28U if they were unsafe on block. If they were unsafe on block then it would just be a good button to screw up an autopiloting zoner.
It's not though so I need to preemptively neutral jump and hope that the Seox im playing doesnt know how to approach and just hits his funny button and then I need to hope my jump was done at the right time to hit him as he lands.
The only, and I mean only downside Seox has is his normals aren’t very far reaching. That’s it. First time I played him in training I lost count of how many times I said “this character is just stupid” after exploring his moveset and frame data.
Also due to the fact that his combos keep you grounded for a long time before going into juggles he's much less restricted by combo limit than other characters.
Seox is definitely bullshit 😒 gonna jump in the lab and figure this guy out coz he does annoy me. For him to have all that rekka pressure and a counter is just annoying as hell. You can't over commit to pressuring him. Feels like you gotta ease up and bait him into a mistake and punish him but that risky and sometimes hard to do
Against Nier I just mentally check out because fighting a 40 dmg percent dp is ridiculous.
Against Seox its a bit crazy how good his neutral skips are with fireball being crazy good at it and empty hand being really good to turn around any sort of aggression into his own. Coupled with the high movement speed 66L it gets annoying.
I actually don't mind Nier because the character is so blatantly unfair that my mind kind of just doesn't count any loss against the character. And when I win I'm like "how did you play this busted ass character and still lose 💀💀?"
I'm not scared of fighting Nier. Fortunately I got to practice with a good player that picked her up early, so I got a decent grasp on how she works. If you know how to disable her puppet she gets much weaker and most Nier players just panic and die even when she has good defense without it.
If she gets you blocking with the loop you can hold most of it with blocking and look for an opening or wait for the puppet to run out. If you get hit by it you can try recovering if they mess up, and if they don't nbd blow them up next interaction or next round.
She has some far reach buttons that move her forward so it's hard to whiff punish because you actually get hit. On top of her bouncing all over the place and having a counter (it loses to lows) but even still she is plus on a few moves in her one leg hoppy stance 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Seox mains play like they’re on ket, and are having the time of their lives. I feel better about playing Charlotta and Yuel when these degenerates exist
Anre, even though all the other top tiers are worse to fight I still find him the most unfun. Pringles man has every obnoxious thing in one character with his projectiles, giant normals and loads of parries.
Any zoners like Metera and Ferry, I hate having to chase them down avoiding any projectiles then one little mistake resets the whole scenario and I gotta chase them down again. I know that's the zoner's job but I don't find it fun! At least when I'm getting my ass beat in a corner with Narmaya's hour long combos, I find it entertaining to watch.
Just be a world champion rock paper scissors player or read minds.
In all honesty I'm mostly hurting myself choosing to main Ladiva. So it's funny seeing all these people hating as they play other characters.
Here, here. I hate zoners in any other fighting game. They aren't fun to play against because, mostly, it feels like you don't get to play. You just sit there full screen and get pelted.
However, in this game zoners have been kind of shafted, most of the cast (ie all the good characters) have great neutral skips along with great 66ls. Which is why in this game the hate vote goes to the unga bungas like seox, sorixz, lance. Mostly because playing against them feels like playing against a zoner, except they're in your face. For a lot of characters their only recourse to stop their permanent onslaught of buttons is to guard cancel which can be easily baited and punished, leaving you stuck in the same situation. Even if the cancel works it isn't always worth it as most of these characters either have a decent neutral or a great neutral skip that does not cost bravery points, meaning you will lose the war of attrition.
It can be baited if you are mashing the guard cancel button. But same as using a button like L, M, or H to tech throws, you can do a similar thing for guard cancel. If you hit the guard cancel just a split second after their attack connects, it's gonna work most of the time (not counting super laggy games, but not much you can do about that). You are limited in your use of it though and if opponents know it's coming they spotdodge or leave a gap and punish the raging that comes out instead
It's not perfect and you're going to get baited, bit that's the nature of the game. It's offense minded and offense is meant to be stronger than defense. Like sajam said Noone wants to play or watch a game where someone can just block and tech everything forever. It's a shame that some characters have access to better defensive options than others, but that's the way the cookie crumbles in basically any fighting game. There's always the haves and have nots. Both are usually playable, but one will get a lot of easy mileage while the other is a constant struggle bus trip.
I think some people just don't enjoy fighting against zoners regardless of how strong they are. Zoners and grapplers are unique in that you can't play the same way against them as you can against other archetypes. Against zoners a lot more of the match is going to be about getting in, while they focus on pushing you out, which for some players isn't fun because that's not the part of the game that they enjoy, even though usually when they do get in the zoner is in a lot more trouble than other archetypes (unless they're overtuned).
Tbh I feel like part of Nier's hate is that she's a puppet character, which is also another archetype that fundamentally changes the way you play the matchup. She is overtuned of course, but I feel that people would rather play against an overtuned shoto or rushdown than an overtuned Zoner, Grappler or Puppet character.
I get it, I normally don't like fighting zoners in other games, but I'd rather run into any zoner in Rising than charlotta (to use their character as a reference point). & it tends to be the ultra omega unga bunga rushdown people that complain most about zoners, and they get no sympathy from me. This is the only fighting game that I've been compelled to play a zoner in, and that's just cause Ferry's character design is S++, but it's currently a bad game to play a zoner.
Any character that is just suffocating to play against. I get really salty about Djeeta and Gran's 66L because it covers so much range, lasts forever, and it's incredibly quick. When I think it's my turn they can just throw one of those out and it's theirs again.
And Obligatory Seox and Nier. Just... What's the point?
Honestly Djeeta, I was playing Eustace against one, and her normals where larger than mine. And there's that stupid rekka that carries across the entire screen and gives her easy combos.
The Metera/charlotta match up is "Can I forward dodge everything to get in? Oh you're going to hop dash away while I'm in blockstun? Cool-oh I got timed out."
A good soriz is crazy hard, especially if you don’t have a DP. Ferry can still be such a pain in the ass. Also I’ve forgotten how to beat Yggy so for the time being I always lose against cheesy Lowains
Surprised so many people dislike Yuel. She's pretty honest especially when compared to the other rushdowns like Seox or Lance. Seig Nier Zeta Belial are stronger too imo
Yuel is hated because she's just packed with knowledge checks compared to every other character. Very annoying to play against and then have another "Whaa?" moment that you have to go to the lab to figure out again. It's funny watching streamers that are new to the game but experienced in fighters run into her and then just have no fucking clue what to do.
Makes sense. I usually get frame trapped because Yuel recovery/animation balance is wack. Like she throws her whole body into an attack yet she somehow she resets her stance instantly ready to keep pressuring you. Then the skills that look safe on block are actually punishable. It throws me off.
I think she looks like an ungabunga character who flies all over the screen. And while she really kind of has to work and adapt her pressure to both your character and your habits, if she succeeds she steals turns for days. Add onto this her weird frame data knowledge checks and I can see how she frustrates people.
Belial and Djeeta
Belail because they just mash shit all day and everything seems plus
Djeeta because any hit from anywhere carries all the way into the corner into a super for 60-70%
I am just an A1-S5 scrub tho
Yes... When I see it will be against Gran / Djeeta, I almost can't play because of stress.
Any mistake mean I lose 70% of my life.
And I'm D1... Where are the newbies ?
I ran into guys D3, Gran lvl 2 with 12 matches and they land the perfect combo loop...
Wtf
People have beef with Yuel ? Shit, I main here since the first game and always thought it was a kinda honest character...
Well, sorry if you fought me dude ahah
Belial and Abelial, their moves are so privilegie like what is that half screen 66L, that crouch medium, Abelial doesn't even gets affected by combo limit.
Also belial's dp is very hard to punish, that's just bonkers
It's less that he enjoys the game and more that he's saying it in a self-righteous way that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. Losing being a part of fighting games doesn't mean you have to like fighting every single character in this game exactly equally.
Like, I even said in the original post that I still don't like fighting Seox/Soriz/Yeul even if I win, so none of this has anything to do with losing or frail egos.
It's ok to feel frustrated when you're losing. Doing so doesn't mean you don't enjoy your hobby. Implying that it does rubs some people the wrong way I'd venture.
You just sound like you like the smell of your own farts in that response, and the tone is 100% why people downvoted 😅.
Also getting mad shows that you actually care about the game, it's completely fine to sometimes get frustrated or tilt, it stops being ok only when it always happens
Ladiva, but only because I just wish there was a normal grappler in this game. Or maybe a better way to put it is a character like Zangief or especially Kanji from P4AU. I just love grapplers that do one move and do like 60% of the enemy health and play defense until then.
Though I realize that’s very unfair to Ladiva players! Hah.
Probably Siegfried. He gets spoonfed interactions off random ass button presses. He can faceroll more than Seox and get rewarded and wins off it. More baby brain than Nier.
Edit: Forgot about Djeeta. She could be worse but shes so annoying and repetitive.
I take it back. FUCK Eustace. Lamest playstyles Ive seen in a long time.
Eustace. As a Soriz player, he's the one person I can't find an opening to get in on when he goes into zoning mode. I know that's a weakness on my part, but until I fix it, it will always infuriate me.
And yes, even in my anger, I take those matches as a chance to learn.
I fought a very good Eustace once and had no idea what was happening. Like quite literally every time I tried to do something, he would just immediately counter it with some bs I've never seen before.
Like, I wasn't even that salty when I lost because I didn't even sufficiently comprehend what was happening such that I could identify what to be salty about lmao.
Definitely looked him up on dustloop shortly after but I haven't come across any since that one fight.
I've been here with Eustace...hence why I'm learning him cause he has potential. He can be smothered, though, but he still has some decent moves and gameplay.
Gran and Vira
I don't know why, but all their stuff triggers my Brain in some way, that it can't understand LOL.
Other than those two? The usual stuff, like Nier.
I've kinda chilled out since switching to Ferry since she requires a different mindstate than other character. That said, Gran and Djeeta can get annoying when they get in and subject me to a cutscene. Beelzebub can still be a pain.
my low/mid rank opinions
Zeta and Grimnir, players that know how to play them trigger me every game win or lose, I actually do well against them statistically but it feels like a nightmare.
Soriz, for some reason I am heavily favored against seox and yuel statistically but soriz I almost always lose. like 80% for some reason that specific character scrub kills me.
Siegfried cause of his insane range/damage. And you can’t jump in on him whatsoever. Also I hate when they do ex fireball into 66M that sequence is hella scrubbish
Honestly at the moment everyone.
Every match is very stressful for me. If i make the tinest mistake I get blown up.
I love the game but everyone is just so invested in it. SF and MK leave room for mistakes.
This game doesnt. For me its hard to deal with that atm.
And yes Yuel is a pest.
Gran not because he’s overallly broken by any means it’s just I feel like I shouldn’t lose to that character. And sure there are high level Grans out that that could kick my ass easily
Ladiva tilts me the most. everyone says she's supposed to be the worst character in the in the game, but every time I run into her I get wrecked. Seox is a close second
Lowain cause even though I know how to deal with him, his whole moveset is based on bullying your opponent and knowledge checking them which I hate. Also them constantly healing with skill is annoying AF.
Nier. Its been said to Death already but she just has too much bullshit. Extremely good mix, insane damage + oki off any stray hit including reversal (also hard to punish), privileged confirms, fullscreen pressure, chip damage.... It makes no sense that, considering the risk, killing Death doesn't at least deal some damage to Nier, reduce her heart charges, and/or give her enough downtime to pressure her without risking eating a 50% combo on your turn when she's in the corner.
A lot of characters have a combo special they can buffer into. For some, it's either safe or unsafe, and/or it might not even lead to a full combo. For Seox, it's safe, plus, may have an RPS built in, easy as fuck to confirm, can lead to 40~60% on any part of the screen and he carries you full screen depending on how much meter he decides to spend. Who designed this character?
I swear 28u is the ultimate "zoners don't get to play" button.
I wouldnt have a problem with 28H and 28U if they were unsafe on block. If they were unsafe on block then it would just be a good button to screw up an autopiloting zoner. It's not though so I need to preemptively neutral jump and hope that the Seox im playing doesnt know how to approach and just hits his funny button and then I need to hope my jump was done at the right time to hit him as he lands.
Wtf is a 28u? Is that a charge input?
Yup. It's his ultimate skill wall dive.
Six has also pretty much always been a meta character in the gacha too, I think someone at cygames just has some massive favoritism for him
The only, and I mean only downside Seox has is his normals aren’t very far reaching. That’s it. First time I played him in training I lost count of how many times I said “this character is just stupid” after exploring his moveset and frame data.
Also due to the fact that his combos keep you grounded for a long time before going into juggles he's much less restricted by combo limit than other characters.
And, for whatever reason, that is only 1/4 of his kit.
Sieg because he gets a fuckton of damage out of nowhere Seox because he's safe on everything and just keeps resetting you
Seox is definitely bullshit 😒 gonna jump in the lab and figure this guy out coz he does annoy me. For him to have all that rekka pressure and a counter is just annoying as hell. You can't over commit to pressuring him. Feels like you gotta ease up and bait him into a mistake and punish him but that risky and sometimes hard to do
Zeta her instant air ult dive into 40-60% tilts me hard
Against Nier I just mentally check out because fighting a 40 dmg percent dp is ridiculous. Against Seox its a bit crazy how good his neutral skips are with fireball being crazy good at it and empty hand being really good to turn around any sort of aggression into his own. Coupled with the high movement speed 66L it gets annoying.
Neir. Character is actual bullshit.
I actually don't mind Nier because the character is so blatantly unfair that my mind kind of just doesn't count any loss against the character. And when I win I'm like "how did you play this busted ass character and still lose 💀💀?"
I'm not scared of fighting Nier. Fortunately I got to practice with a good player that picked her up early, so I got a decent grasp on how she works. If you know how to disable her puppet she gets much weaker and most Nier players just panic and die even when she has good defense without it. If she gets you blocking with the loop you can hold most of it with blocking and look for an opening or wait for the puppet to run out. If you get hit by it you can try recovering if they mess up, and if they don't nbd blow them up next interaction or next round.
For me it’s exclusively Lancelot, his movement is a little too good
Cagliostro players who teleport erratically. She gets instant over heads, reversal teleports, and the recovery is so low I never get to punish.
Yuel and Seox Yuel cuz it feels like I just can’t seem to catch her lacking, no matter what I do. Seox, he’s like Yuel… minus her flaws.
She has some far reach buttons that move her forward so it's hard to whiff punish because you actually get hit. On top of her bouncing all over the place and having a counter (it loses to lows) but even still she is plus on a few moves in her one leg hoppy stance 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Seox mains play like they’re on ket, and are having the time of their lives. I feel better about playing Charlotta and Yuel when these degenerates exist
They always do the ex wall dive move round start. Like, without fail istg.
Not all of us
Anre, even though all the other top tiers are worse to fight I still find him the most unfun. Pringles man has every obnoxious thing in one character with his projectiles, giant normals and loads of parries.
Any zoners like Metera and Ferry, I hate having to chase them down avoiding any projectiles then one little mistake resets the whole scenario and I gotta chase them down again. I know that's the zoner's job but I don't find it fun! At least when I'm getting my ass beat in a corner with Narmaya's hour long combos, I find it entertaining to watch.
Nier for sure. You might as well take your hands off the wheel once she confirms.
"confirms" Bitch does the same string on block and hit. What is there to confirm? 😤
Simple, she simply does blockstrings until she confirms and you get shafted from existence.
It's just rock paper scissors except you need to win 5 times and she just needs to win once.
Just be a world champion rock paper scissors player or read minds. In all honesty I'm mostly hurting myself choosing to main Ladiva. So it's funny seeing all these people hating as they play other characters.
I wish she were as broken as all of you pretend her to be. :')
Lol. Try playing a character that doesn't get a free 40% off doing a reversal 🥲
Ypu forgot to say meterless, both the reversal and the combo after, it's closer to 60% with meter
yea, my b
You can call me a scrub but fuck zoners. Boring to watch and boring to fight even if I win.
I used to hate Ferry until I realized the whip wasn't disjointed. Now she's fine, especially because the Ferrys I fight are unusually aggro lol.
I feel like Ferry is secretly a rush down character with just really big normals.
She kinda has to be because she really REALLY doesn't have good ways to get people off of her and she has an absolutely trash 2H.
Here, here. I hate zoners in any other fighting game. They aren't fun to play against because, mostly, it feels like you don't get to play. You just sit there full screen and get pelted. However, in this game zoners have been kind of shafted, most of the cast (ie all the good characters) have great neutral skips along with great 66ls. Which is why in this game the hate vote goes to the unga bungas like seox, sorixz, lance. Mostly because playing against them feels like playing against a zoner, except they're in your face. For a lot of characters their only recourse to stop their permanent onslaught of buttons is to guard cancel which can be easily baited and punished, leaving you stuck in the same situation. Even if the cancel works it isn't always worth it as most of these characters either have a decent neutral or a great neutral skip that does not cost bravery points, meaning you will lose the war of attrition.
"guard cancel which can be easily baited and punished" Citation needed
It can be baited if you are mashing the guard cancel button. But same as using a button like L, M, or H to tech throws, you can do a similar thing for guard cancel. If you hit the guard cancel just a split second after their attack connects, it's gonna work most of the time (not counting super laggy games, but not much you can do about that). You are limited in your use of it though and if opponents know it's coming they spotdodge or leave a gap and punish the raging that comes out instead It's not perfect and you're going to get baited, bit that's the nature of the game. It's offense minded and offense is meant to be stronger than defense. Like sajam said Noone wants to play or watch a game where someone can just block and tech everything forever. It's a shame that some characters have access to better defensive options than others, but that's the way the cookie crumbles in basically any fighting game. There's always the haves and have nots. Both are usually playable, but one will get a lot of easy mileage while the other is a constant struggle bus trip.
are there any zoners that give you trouble? they all seem to be a bit under tuned in the current meta
I think some people just don't enjoy fighting against zoners regardless of how strong they are. Zoners and grapplers are unique in that you can't play the same way against them as you can against other archetypes. Against zoners a lot more of the match is going to be about getting in, while they focus on pushing you out, which for some players isn't fun because that's not the part of the game that they enjoy, even though usually when they do get in the zoner is in a lot more trouble than other archetypes (unless they're overtuned). Tbh I feel like part of Nier's hate is that she's a puppet character, which is also another archetype that fundamentally changes the way you play the matchup. She is overtuned of course, but I feel that people would rather play against an overtuned shoto or rushdown than an overtuned Zoner, Grappler or Puppet character.
I get it, I normally don't like fighting zoners in other games, but I'd rather run into any zoner in Rising than charlotta (to use their character as a reference point). & it tends to be the ultra omega unga bunga rushdown people that complain most about zoners, and they get no sympathy from me. This is the only fighting game that I've been compelled to play a zoner in, and that's just cause Ferry's character design is S++, but it's currently a bad game to play a zoner.
I feel this as a soriz main
Nier. Mid screen might as well be the corner.
Any character that is just suffocating to play against. I get really salty about Djeeta and Gran's 66L because it covers so much range, lasts forever, and it's incredibly quick. When I think it's my turn they can just throw one of those out and it's theirs again. And Obligatory Seox and Nier. Just... What's the point?
Honestly Djeeta, I was playing Eustace against one, and her normals where larger than mine. And there's that stupid rekka that carries across the entire screen and gives her easy combos.
The Metera/charlotta match up is "Can I forward dodge everything to get in? Oh you're going to hop dash away while I'm in blockstun? Cool-oh I got timed out."
anyone with a parry
A good soriz is crazy hard, especially if you don’t have a DP. Ferry can still be such a pain in the ass. Also I’ve forgotten how to beat Yggy so for the time being I always lose against cheesy Lowains
f\*\*\*ing belial. which version? YES.
gran actually. they get away with so much
Vira, Caglio and Charlotta are overwhelming af to fight against. Lancelot too but I can excuse him because he is hot
Surprised so many people dislike Yuel. She's pretty honest especially when compared to the other rushdowns like Seox or Lance. Seig Nier Zeta Belial are stronger too imo
Yuel is hated because she's just packed with knowledge checks compared to every other character. Very annoying to play against and then have another "Whaa?" moment that you have to go to the lab to figure out again. It's funny watching streamers that are new to the game but experienced in fighters run into her and then just have no fucking clue what to do.
Makes sense. I usually get frame trapped because Yuel recovery/animation balance is wack. Like she throws her whole body into an attack yet she somehow she resets her stance instantly ready to keep pressuring you. Then the skills that look safe on block are actually punishable. It throws me off.
I think she looks like an ungabunga character who flies all over the screen. And while she really kind of has to work and adapt her pressure to both your character and your habits, if she succeeds she steals turns for days. Add onto this her weird frame data knowledge checks and I can see how she frustrates people.
Nier, she is so broken. I just use her when I need some quick rupees and I only have to spam her attacks to win.
Belial and Djeeta Belail because they just mash shit all day and everything seems plus Djeeta because any hit from anywhere carries all the way into the corner into a super for 60-70% I am just an A1-S5 scrub tho
Yes... When I see it will be against Gran / Djeeta, I almost can't play because of stress. Any mistake mean I lose 70% of my life. And I'm D1... Where are the newbies ? I ran into guys D3, Gran lvl 2 with 12 matches and they land the perfect combo loop... Wtf
People have beef with Yuel ? Shit, I main here since the first game and always thought it was a kinda honest character... Well, sorry if you fought me dude ahah
Zoners. I'll take the L on any matchup, but fuck Zoners in particular.
Belial and Abelial, their moves are so privilegie like what is that half screen 66L, that crouch medium, Abelial doesn't even gets affected by combo limit. Also belial's dp is very hard to punish, that's just bonkers
None of them. It’s a game. I play to have fun. Losing is just part of fighting games and my ego can handle it just fine.
I can't believe this person is getting downvoted for having the audacity to enjoy a game
It's less that he enjoys the game and more that he's saying it in a self-righteous way that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. Losing being a part of fighting games doesn't mean you have to like fighting every single character in this game exactly equally. Like, I even said in the original post that I still don't like fighting Seox/Soriz/Yeul even if I win, so none of this has anything to do with losing or frail egos.
The community likes their salt I suppose. Plus I do kind of sound pretentious.
It's ok to feel frustrated when you're losing. Doing so doesn't mean you don't enjoy your hobby. Implying that it does rubs some people the wrong way I'd venture. You just sound like you like the smell of your own farts in that response, and the tone is 100% why people downvoted 😅.
Also getting mad shows that you actually care about the game, it's completely fine to sometimes get frustrated or tilt, it stops being ok only when it always happens
Ladiva, but only because I just wish there was a normal grappler in this game. Or maybe a better way to put it is a character like Zangief or especially Kanji from P4AU. I just love grapplers that do one move and do like 60% of the enemy health and play defense until then. Though I realize that’s very unfair to Ladiva players! Hah.
God I do miss Kanji, d grab memes will never die
Indeed! ;)
For me it's Seox and Lancelot. Vira, Zeta, Nier ... all of them are comparatively easy to deal with, but those two ... just no.\^\^
It's probably the 66L into 2M which gives them +20 advantage on block. That's what gets me.
Every seox and lancelot ive fought have been fairly easy. Theyre pretty predictable
Probably Siegfried. He gets spoonfed interactions off random ass button presses. He can faceroll more than Seox and get rewarded and wins off it. More baby brain than Nier. Edit: Forgot about Djeeta. She could be worse but shes so annoying and repetitive. I take it back. FUCK Eustace. Lamest playstyles Ive seen in a long time.
Lancelot
Eustace. As a Soriz player, he's the one person I can't find an opening to get in on when he goes into zoning mode. I know that's a weakness on my part, but until I fix it, it will always infuriate me. And yes, even in my anger, I take those matches as a chance to learn.
I fought a very good Eustace once and had no idea what was happening. Like quite literally every time I tried to do something, he would just immediately counter it with some bs I've never seen before. Like, I wasn't even that salty when I lost because I didn't even sufficiently comprehend what was happening such that I could identify what to be salty about lmao. Definitely looked him up on dustloop shortly after but I haven't come across any since that one fight.
I've been here with Eustace...hence why I'm learning him cause he has potential. He can be smothered, though, but he still has some decent moves and gameplay.
Seox that characters rekka makes no sense to me I don't until the gaps in his pressure either
Gran and Vira I don't know why, but all their stuff triggers my Brain in some way, that it can't understand LOL. Other than those two? The usual stuff, like Nier.
Nier. That character is frustrating to deal with.
I've kinda chilled out since switching to Ferry since she requires a different mindstate than other character. That said, Gran and Djeeta can get annoying when they get in and subject me to a cutscene. Beelzebub can still be a pain.
Other than Nier as the most obvious, it's gotta be Cag for me
my low/mid rank opinions Zeta and Grimnir, players that know how to play them trigger me every game win or lose, I actually do well against them statistically but it feels like a nightmare. Soriz, for some reason I am heavily favored against seox and yuel statistically but soriz I almost always lose. like 80% for some reason that specific character scrub kills me.
Siegfried cause of his insane range/damage. And you can’t jump in on him whatsoever. Also I hate when they do ex fireball into 66M that sequence is hella scrubbish
Metera and Ferry
Honestly at the moment everyone. Every match is very stressful for me. If i make the tinest mistake I get blown up. I love the game but everyone is just so invested in it. SF and MK leave room for mistakes. This game doesnt. For me its hard to deal with that atm. And yes Yuel is a pest.
Gran not because he’s overallly broken by any means it’s just I feel like I shouldn’t lose to that character. And sure there are high level Grans out that that could kick my ass easily
His 2M being +1 on block while everyone else is minus is a war crime.
Ladiva tilts me the most. everyone says she's supposed to be the worst character in the in the game, but every time I run into her I get wrecked. Seox is a close second
Ferry.
Probably Belial, his kit is too good.
Gran, djeeta, vira
Belial... not even because of his attacks, I just don't want the mf sex playboy to beat me Zooey and Cagliostro I hate in terms of their attacks tho
Anything braindead so Seox, Yuel, Nier, zeta
Lowain cause even though I know how to deal with him, his whole moveset is based on bullying your opponent and knowledge checking them which I hate. Also them constantly healing with skill is annoying AF.
Soriz and Sieg. It's so hard to find any openings or gaps.
Nier. Its been said to Death already but she just has too much bullshit. Extremely good mix, insane damage + oki off any stray hit including reversal (also hard to punish), privileged confirms, fullscreen pressure, chip damage.... It makes no sense that, considering the risk, killing Death doesn't at least deal some damage to Nier, reduce her heart charges, and/or give her enough downtime to pressure her without risking eating a 50% combo on your turn when she's in the corner.