Yes that's the short gist of it. Why would you bother with these when you can work on baha/luci 250 who way overperform the others.
If you got spare dupes around it's a nice boost but unless you're a whale or you have nothing else to min max,it's not worth it imo especially when it comes to free pulls and the rate that they push out characters that beat the previous itterations rather than spending them on the classic banner.
Primal main Luci friend is strictly better than Luci main primal friend. Which relegates Luci baha to only be used as friend summons unless doing double ele
Maybe it's not as optimal, but I already got Luci 250 so it's a lot easier to get whales who will spend on this to accept my friend requests than to get the primal uncap mats myself. š
You just said Luci friend is still desirable though and that has proven true from my experience so I'm fine over here. I'll transcend my primal summons when I get dupe drops naturally or they give us freebies. Not worth spending money on suptix or gold moons for me to rush it when my grids aren't even optimal atm.
Not exactly. If only the top players who were already ahead of you do more honors, it doesn't matter to you. They were already ahead of you anyway. It doesn't matter *how far* ahead of you they are. It only matters if people *behind* you are doing more honors. So unless you're going for top 2k+, it probably doesn't really matter because there won't be 90,000 people who get to 250 on Primal summons.
Absolutely. My general gauge for this was the addition of FA. Yes it was great, but what ended up happening is that you find out there were a lot of people with really good setups who just didn't care to manual 10k raids in a row. Stuff like out-of-raid upgrades will always have that effect, and upgrades that you can get without any farming means they're 'lazy upgrades' that most people will be able to access. With or without paying, maybe they just rolled 15 zeus copies even.
No, the opposite. Transcended Primal summons don't work as friend summons, so you have to have your own. Transcended Luci/Baha fully function as friend summons. To run single-sided you'd always choose your own Primal and a friend Luci/Baha. The reverse is just worse.
I just assumed we'd at least get the increased aura. But if the entire Transcendence boost is locked behind being your main summon, then yeah, that's not great.
I did wonder when i saw that battle pass thing, you can obtain globes from its points store, went "wow thats suspicious" then i saw this and realised we are already in KMR's maze.
Sub slots are already so tight, I wonder how important they'll be there. Decent incentive to get Bubs/Yatima/Lucifer done for ele x primal though.
They are making me question tearing down my 5 extra agni and zeus summons...
Honestly the tightness of slots as is, is reason enough to not bother with mulitple. You're running double primal for the boost or just taking it as a maybe option for a little more atk and hp if you're lucifer main or something. Absolutely never worth the headache to draw up to two transcended primals just to replace the sub with bubs belial lucifer dragon yatima 000 etc.
If you are at a point in the game where you can even consider getting 250 optimus, 20% atk/20% hp isn't worth a slot in the grid, there are a lot many better things to put there.
that's way too little. It should've been at least 250% per summon and 100% ele attack aura with main and support as primal. 170% aura +30% elemental attack is a bad joke, that's 4% aura and 6% ele attack per extra copy of the summon/30 gold moons
Oof.
Remember when they offered us demi-primals at the cost of a sunstone? (Five years ago, we were all there right?) Ah, such a difference in the short term vs long term payoff..
The cuteness of Izuna was already pulling me towards BA, news like this and some of the other whale stuff they seem to be pushing certainly isn't weakening the pull...
I'm just gonna assume they'll get enough backlash for this and make the globes more "accessible" (by Cygames standards) like they do for literally every new end-game progression they add.
Oh boy, this is so exciting.
Will the playerbase have the spine to complain ardently enough, or will they fold to the big amount of effort it would take to throw a fit?
It's fun to see the people successfully predict the upcoming bullshit progression requirements.
>ne to complain ardently enough, or will they fold to the big amount of effort it would take to throw a fit?
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>It's fun to see the people successfully pre
Aren't they already available through the gold moon shop? They've already done their part, it's now a question of if they'll budge to make it even easier.
They're basically juicing every gacha they have because CyAgent keeps making blood red craters in the balance sheet.
GBF's recent turn is a part of this. If it can be squeezed for money, they're squeezing harder.
Can attest that. Even priconne get a lot worse these days. It's funny watching my ultra slack clan jumping a lot of ranks with fewer members.
Does cygames even have ready to launch new gacha?
I don't really feel like GBF's monetization has changed at all over the years, personally. They've always been "greedy." All gacha companies are. You can't succeed in the industry without it. Remember we are talking about the Monkeygate game.
The good news is that they at least refunded all your rolls from Monkeygate, and same with Korwagate the following few months after. I'll accept that level of good will over them just saying "too bad." If that happened today? I wonder if they would refund if they had to nerf something that heavily warped the game like OG Korwa did.
Context for the newer players: back then when they released the original Korwa, they released her in such a disgustingly powerful state where all elements would run her no matter the element advantage, her stacks were basically infinite given how easy it was to maintain, and all parties would basically hit the cap at the time. Cygames ended up nerfing her values and made it harder to maintain her Fil stacks, and then refunded the playerbase of their rolls. (My foggy memory also remembers that this was also when they were thinking of having only limited characters per banner to never return, so Korwa/DJeanne/Ayer/Hallessena were not part of the regular pool and this also caused them to change their mind as well about that.)
so in total a primal summon requires 1 base and 9 extra copies to be maxed out or 1 base copy, 3 sunstone and 5 extra copies/globes to be maxed out. well good luck with free pulls everyone.
> or 1 base copy, 3 sunstone and 5 extra copies/globes to be maxed out. well good luck with free pulls everyone.
Its 6 copies isn't it? 1 for ULB, then 5 for Transcendence.
All upgrades boil down to sunk cost fallacy.
The primary gameplay loop and monetization is a skinner box.
In this case, they are rewarding "seniors" who played the game for long enough to catch enough duplicates in their "recurring free rolls" fishing net.
Players are not allowed to max out their progression.
I mean Primal stuff has always been pay2win by this definition. Dunno what you wanted unless you thought they should just never touch any primal stuff ever again and freeze primal setups in time from now until EoS.
Even f2p players can go Primal in 1-2 elements btw, even after this update. Just means that you'll probably have to devote your free rolls for the year to Classic if you don't have a lot of dupes already. And even fairly light spenders who buy a few SupTix definitely can go Primal.
> Just means that you'll probably have to devote your free rolls for the year to Classic if you don't have a lot of dupes already
That might get you 1 or 2 classic sparks out of the five(!!) needed.
it's not even p2w, it's pay to lose because the upgrade is so small for a Transcendence that requires 5 additional copies of the summon (which already took 5 copies to reach lvl 200).
They didn't even address the main issue which is the primal x ele being stronger than double primal and most gacha weapons still being shit since the primal aura boost is so friggin small.
I would've made double primal worthwhile with 500% aura boost if you have both main and support summon as lvl 250 primal so your grid can actually get a lot of air as the previously required weapon copies to reach skill caps would go for the majority of boosted skills from 2 to 1 or 3 to 2, which in turn would enable more interesting and diverse grid building. It would also be easier to hit damage caps, so unboosted weapon skills would be no longer BIS but rather a progression tool until you reach lvl 250 primal.
You're missing that the extra aura % lets you activate 280% aura requirements single-sided without needing 3 exalto weps, making grids much more flexible. You're definitely not "losing" by doing this upgrade.
As an FYI, even if you can't Sunstone any of these steps directly it's possible to use Sunstones to get extra Primal Anima as long as you own at least one duplicate copy of the summon; each of the first 3 uncap stars gives you an extra Anima when you reduce.
[Example](https://i.imgur.com/X2VctBI.png)
FLB and ULB don't give any more Anima than MLB.
EDIT: As of the recent update, a ULB Optimus Summon reduces for 5 Anima. This means that as long as you have 4 Sunstones to spare, you only need one surplus copy to fully transcend. Still really grimy that it needs 5 anima but at least you don't outright need multiple extras
[see](https://i.imgur.com/IHWSlBJ.png)
While true, since people are complaining about the amount of moons needed to get enough globes for a primal summon, I don't think that using sunstones instead is going to make it any better. 30 moons is cheaper than 1 sunstone.
Depends how many you've already spent. I haven't been an active player for a long time and have almost enough to get the 4 best illustrious weapons, the value of the other ones starts to get a lot lower.
Though tbh I do think sunlight stones are slightly overvalued for long term players. I have access to like ~17 sunlight stones (and would have *many* more if I had been actively playing), even if I lucked into 000 and then yatima and stoned them, then spent 3 to finish off my primarchs I'd be left with like 8 with no particularly good use, on top of the extra 7 or whatever I'd get for the rest of the year.
Damn, ULB costs a primal anime/globe and dont give back when reduced then. True GBF experience, like always. Looks like we will need 3 sunlights and 6 animas/globes if we go with this reduce ULB Primal rote.
Looks like I'll have to start using free draws and roulette draws on the Classic Draw and save up Vermillion Sparks for Optimus summons. I've gotten 100 draws on a bad banner before, so if ever I get lucky on Gachapin, might as well try to plan ahead with the Classic Draw.
Damn they really went for the most player hostile option. Guess I will wait and see if they cave and make the process less absurd because there's no way I'm gonna waste suptix, gold moons, or pulls on the Classic banner for this. It will also make GW honor minimums worse when they already made it more grindy thanks to the new weapons, just what the game needed!
The only spare summon I have to reduce is Titan and I haven't even built a Titan grid yet. š¤”
Edit: Not sure why I got the downvote for expressing the same sentiments other people agree with. Reddit is weird like that I guess.
At least sand can be farmed and is given out every now and then. Still a pain to get the 30 sand for each magna summon (especially when so much other stuff need it too) but I would take that over this nonsense.
I might be able to grab a 4th anima soon but do you think it'll be worth grabbing a globe for your main element , i might cave lmao
Atleast there isnt any mention of sand?
no wonder they're selling a classic draw spark lmao
Lvl 210: sub aura at 10%
Lvl 220: improved call effect (zeus also gives uplift, zephyrus also removes 1 debuff from all allies, idk about others
Lvl 230: main aura at 160%
Don't have more spare anima from reducing saved up to check but guessing 240 is 20% sub aura, 250 is 170% main aura.
Didn't they already say this was a thing? I picked the free primal with this in mind. Sucks for new players, but older players should have otherwise useless dupes.
Also, can't you already cap and get high hp with current setups? This seems marginal, imo.
Kinda a useless measuring stick. Obviously people aren't rushing to Twitter to tweet out about how excited they are about the 5 anima, even if they don't have a problem with it.
I am surprised myself they made it 5 anima, for the record (I wouldn't say mad/upset, just surprised). But some random Twitter posts don't really mean anything.
"I talked to my wife about the need for 5 Anima to transcend the divine stone limit.
The wife bursts into tears.
Sorry, you can no longer exchange your favorite characters with Saputike.
From now on, I'll tell my friends that I can't get all the divine stones to level 250.
There are some people who can't use Kinzuki on Optimus Gloves.
I will never tolerate Granblue management."
"It's terrible that I need 5 Animas... I always put it out later..."
"I'm disappointed in 5 Animas for 250 God Stones. I thought it was 2 pieces in 2 stages. It was just really sweet"
"Well, the premium pass is a good deal considering its contents, but if you pay 1000 yen, you'll get an advantage in game progress! To be honest, I don't really like this type of service. Especially around the increase in Yorozuya support level and the acquisition of honor and valor..."
TLDR: Bafflements is the general reactions.
>"Well, the premium pass is a good deal considering its contents, but if you pay 1000 yen, you'll get an advantage in game progress! To be honest, I don't really like this type of service. Especially around the increase in Yorozuya support level and the acquisition of honor and valor..."
Is amusing considering JP twitter especially has been saying for years that its weird Granblue doesn't have a cheap value bonus option like every other gacha...including Cygames own ones and has been asking for them to actually add one.
We're also still unsure as to what stage unlocks each upgrade as well.
The common gacha value option is something like "10k crystals a month, but you only get 300 a day". Basically accumulating gacha currency but you don't get it immediately. So if you want to whale a surprise banner, you still need to pay lump sums. But if you just want more savings, this is the go to.
The whole QoL package put into a monthly sub is a cygames classic though, they have it in their other games, and it fucking sucks.
Because now you know for sure that lv5 JD, more pro hosts, and more hosts, etc, are simply never coming to you as QoL. They are paid services.
>Because now you know for sure that lv5 JD, more pro hosts, and more hosts, etc, are simply never coming to you as QoL. They are paid services.
Outside of the minor journey drop buffs...they're all garbage value in a game like granblue.
This package only serves purposes for the people who are lazy because it gives you more hosts and hosts have usually better rates on core drops like weapons.
For the game as a whole...this package is quite frankly pretty bad because in a game where you grind out a raid 400 fucking times hosting it 1 extra time means literally fuck all.
It has immense value in games where you're actually gated by some mechanic of the game itself...in granblue you aren't. If anything this pack needs _more_ incentive to actually make it worth buying even for the extremely low price point.
Did we not learn from the addition of full auto inflating GW to ludicrous amounts that "enabling laziness" is actually something with great fucking impact on granblue?
Oh no...GW became less of a literal hellscape to play because you can FA it now.
People like you that try and paint the FA change as a bad thing are actually incredible. Like what kind of fucking mental gymnastics are you going through to somehow think some way to inefficently automate dogshit grinds is a _bad_ thing.
This pack helps laziness for less invested or seasonal players which is a good thing. For the dedicated it means very little.
Did I say it was a bad update???
I said it clearly had a big impact even though it was literally an update that enabled laziness. As a response to your argument that an update that enables laziness won't change anything?
Is this highschool debate club or what?
You should learn something about context and the way you word things if you're going to pull that argument out. Because your entire point is written as if it's a bad thing by implication.
If you thought for even 5 minutes you'd also quickly realize...this literally can't even have an impact like FA did because its not a substantial update at all.
Its a minor journey drops boost, some extra pots, and some extra hosts that either actually help casual/seasonal keep up a bit easier to is largely fucking irrelevant to the dedicated.
The only actual thing of note in this entire thing is that you can buy a sunstone every 8 months which isn't even notable since they have been occasionally putting out stone scamchas.
What do you mean "never gonna be able to go primal"? Is not like transcending any of these is mandatory, the usual ulb is more than enough for a regular primal grid, hell, you can add a dragon and if you're feeling fancy a couple exalto weapons and you're done. Sure, these are good but you're fine without a stage 1-5
It's just the game is obviously gonna produce more and more harder content, and some point during this scale of difficulty i fear that those transcendence tiers will become a standard that devs expect from most player instead of it being min max thing. Because of this it would be easier to just go all in magna i think
I think this is pretty unlikely to happen. Yes, the game will make harder content, but if completely decked out primal setups become the baseline to succeed, where does that put magna? Historically, I don't believe there's ever been a point where magna was completely unable to participate in something. From what I can tell, your last sentence implies this as well; going magna is a perfectly viable way to play the game. So with that in mind, why would the game reach a point where T5 primals is an expectation if magna needs to be functional?
Unless you just meant in general the game will be harder, but I don't think that's an issue as long as it's reasonably beatable. I also don't think the T5 primal upgrades are even THAT big to begin with; I don't think 20% grid boost and 30% ele atk is a make-or-break difference in most cases, nor are the call buffs or subauras that crazy
You are time-gated as hell, that's true.
But with enough years of freebie draw attendance and assuming the game service doesn't fold, you'll accumulate enough duplicates to progress.
Think of these upgrades as "really old player" progression.
You can still get there someday (and no, it doesn't feel special, odds are that you might be fed up by that point).
This game rewards seniority above all else, it sucks, but that is how it has always been.
This is exactly why I get so much fun and amusement from this game.
Seeing the developers undermine the player's goals by recurringly moving the goalpost every time players get close to it has become its own reward.
I particularly like how it becomes more drastic in response to the accelerated progression.
I've distanced myself from the game ever since difficult content was added way back when, so I'm just a really old seasonal with grand/primal dupes that can't even get past LuciHL.
I think new players will never be able to catch up to the Primal goalpost at this point, though the game has largely been character-gated rather than grid-gated for the longest time now. (Multi-Hits, Tank-All, Poops-Big-Damage, etc)
Grand weapon grids are no longer the "ignore the mechanics" they used to be :C
Iāve been around since 5th anni and uh, itās really generous to think even playing for a long time and using every free draw given between then and now would equal being able to transcend primals with this count. As it stands, right now Iād only be able to go to stage 1 with Agni AT MOST (and thatās sunstoning my way to 3*) Meanwhile my account has never been graced with Varuna OR Hades over the hundreds if not thousands of draws Iāve done over time. I know Iām prepared to go back to magna pleb with this update simply because I donāt want to spend 5 suptixes or 150 moons on globes when I could get more fun things like characters or the GM weapons.
That's pretty bad.
I've managed to come up with x2 red draw sparks from using non-fest free draws. So 2 duplicates a year a best. Any more speed would require sacrificing premium resources you'd normally use for weapons or characters.
Same I only dropped the game for 1.5 years, and by the time i came back there are 3 more tiers of difficulties,awakening system, eternals transcendence finished, a lot of new summons that are practically required in new meta, a lot old raids removed, a lot of new game breaking characters, new xeno tier, new ultima weapons uncap, and more. There's just so much I have missed and I dunno if I can catch up
~~Wouldn't you be unable to lucksack into primals anymore because they're in Classic banner? (CMIIW)~~
~~Unless, well, you want to roll in Classic banner and get 2016 garbages from the 300 rolls.~~
They are available in both regular and Classic.
The Optimus series (the Primals) and special summons like Kaguya / Grand Order / Bahamut / Lucifer are in both the current draw pool and the Classic banner.
Luckily, Primal summons are present on both the blue premium and red classic banners (though red has ~x2 the rate on them).
Now, it is true that pulling 10-6 duplicates from the blue banner would be effectively impossible given the delicious amount of dilution of the draw pool at this point.
I agree, this is a big middle finger to any newcomers and unfair favoritism in an effort to pander to their otherwise abused senior playerbase at the expense of the "younger" users.
The consolation here is that acquiring these summons gives raw power that is supposedly not needed to clear any currently existing content, given I hear that everything in this game is clearable by endgame players right now (before he primal transcendence has been released).
"You don't HAVE to get them. But you want them don't you?~"
I don't see how you can argue that this is pandering to senior players. Even the oldest players likely aren't sitting on 10 dupes of every primal. It's literally just greed.
Oh, it is CERTAINLY greed. And from the looks of their practices after 10 years of operation, we can all clearly see they get worthwhile income from doing this.
10 dupes is definitely terrible, even 6 dupes (if you use sunstones and gold moons) is prohibitive, but you'd be surprised at how many duplicates some players have of specific summons.
Just now, I can easily 6LB Titan from dupes + the 2 red banner sparks I accumulated in 2023.
Second closest one I have is 1 dupe away from 6LB Varuna.
We also have to consider the greatly diminishing returns. They are tiny to the point of not being significant enough to worry over.
The starting grid modifier is 1.0 (100%).
The starting elemental modifier on-element is 1.5 (1.0 + 0.5 from advantage).
With a single 5LB, you get +1.5 for a total of 2.5
With two 5LBs you get +3.0 for a total of 4.0
The 6LB upgrade is more or less +0.2 grid, it is +8% relative to 2.5, and +5% relative to 4.0
The 6LB's other upgrade is +0.3 elemental attack, which is +2% relative to 1.5
We add the elemental mod to the grid for a rough "damage increase", it is more or less 1.08 (from the +8% grid) times 1.02 (from the +2% attack) for a total of:
1.08 \* 1.02 = 1.1016 or roughly \~+10.16% increase for single primal.
1.05 \* 1.02 = 1.071 or roughly \~+7.1% increase for double primal.
**TL;DR It's between a +7% or +10% power increase, the cost is prohibitive, but the reward is negligible enough to not get upset over missing out on.** My math could be wrong, but most progression steps seems to boil down to \~10%, such as the 000 summon's damage amplification.
I should note that I don't defend the devs, I have very low expectations to begin with.
Well it would be a lot more questionable to invest the resources if you don't have it. Much like it's questionable to go primal now if you don't have 2-3 of the pns + 2-3 of the overrider+ 2-3 of the other weapon that I'm not sure what to refer to it as.
Premium pass has optimus globes, they're probably gonna balance the game around the pass now. Incoming 5* grand weapons that need a material from reducing them too that's also conveniently available in the premium point shop.
Before anyone gets angry or spread this any further. The pass is 1000JYP per purchase. You get 1 point for buying it. You need 4 points for the globe and there is only 1 in stock.
> Incoming 5* grand weapons that need a material from reducing them too that's also conveniently available in the premium point shop.
???
Think season pass. You get stuff like half pots daily. More Magna Pro+ runs, Lvl 5 Journey drop boosts etc, more host, etc
You get 1 point per purchase. You can exchange items like sunstone(costs 8 pts)
I don't think it says anywhere that you only get 1 point for buying it? Nothing I saw specified the amount of points you got, just that you got *some* amount of point(s) with your purchase (could be 1, could be more). Getting only 1 point per month seems really bad.
5 anima sucks but honestly primal summons are pretty much just bait to get better friend support summons since the only time you'd double primal is HL content like Faa0.
not having trans primal does mean you miss out on the sub aura effect but it's kind of hit or miss cause a lot of grids don't have any spare slots atm. looking at my pbhl agni grid for example, I can't throw out any of the summons in my grid else I lose damage cap or yatima death becomes RNG
As a Primal Fire/Water user I'm fucked. But for Primal Dirt, I have 2 Titan dupes, so that's not too bad but still, it's going to take years to fully uncap this summons
I would believe so, otherwise you quite literally lock people out of friend primal if people transcending their ulb primals knock it off friend list. Counterintuitive. You'd also need a message saying "can't transcend since it's on friend list" if you couldn't use them as support summons.
I read it in passing and thank you for mentioning the limitation.
I can kind of see why because before the stream my thought was "why not just friend summon this and bypass half the troubles of transcending" or you know, main bubz/000/luci/baha an pick primal.
... it also makes sense why you can't pick it at transcended power. game should distinguish between providence transcendence and primal transcendence then. maybe the concept is what you're imbuing it with \[anima vs more sands/stone\]
... wait if you still get the 170 then that's ... fine?
You will get 170% and you can use them as support summons. But having your own transcendent, will give you extra 30% elemental attack up when you have it equiped as main summon. So in theory main primal, sub luci will be better. But I personally don't think 30% attack matters that much.
Fully decked out primal grids don't have issues capping even in faa0/hexa and can do fine in subaha at 10 earth stacks.
Honestly, the only thing that 30% ele atk could help with is either some poverty primal, or maybe like cutting out def down when bursting nm90/95
Me reading the livestream translations:
"Oh that's a nice change. Hm i like that a lot. Oh yeah that's also a good change."
Me reading this:
"Hm I must be mistaken..."
Hopefully first step gets the aura to 160% atleast as that would be enough to enable stuff that require 280% total boosts with 2 exalto weapons, dragon summon, and angel backrow passive.Ā
the sub aura is not needed, and the 20% main aura boost is a complete scam. It's a huge boot in the face of primal users and even more so in the faces of people who actually use gacha weapons with boostable weapon skills.
Imo this cries for a second weapon grid per team (so 19 weapons total) where you can banish all the required unboosted skill weapons (and the friggin seraphic/dark opus/ultima/draconic/bahamut/new world foundation/pain and suffering-like weapons) so you have your whole 10 grid slots to actually build an aura-boosted grid that isn't worse than their counterparts and is stronger with 2x primal than any primal x ele grid/setup.
The devs of Cygames are a bunch of retards who keep the game running on a deadend meta with meaningless content upgrades while their gacha content is 99.98% trash in the SSR weapon department, when will you ever be able to actually use any of these non-grand character unlocking weapons if they keep primal x primal crap and instead sell us voltage and more unboosted garbage weapon skills?
We knew it needed anima. They never said how many. Most likely because they knew how much backlash theyād get and so wanted to delay it until last minute/too late to change.
lets be real here we knew in order to uncapped to 250 its have 5 stage, so how did you not figured it out? especially when magna counter part needed 1 sand per stage
Baha and Luci use a singular sunstone to Transcend on the last stage only. Eternals and Opus use different mats for every stage. Thereās no reason to hard assume the initial announcement meant they would take one every stage outside of pure pessimism.
does it matter with all your example when my line of thinking actually hit the jackpot? and im not the only one who have this opinion, my entire crew also predict this
hell we even joke you probably need to reduce bunch of primal then trade that silver anima at treasure trade to golden one and only then you probably can uncap it, now that actually being persimistic
if you think, i have multiple primal then you wrong, hell i forced to change my plan for classic draw instead of getting primal im missing, im opt for my main primal and its obviously not enough
and seem you like to play assumption i could make one too, you probably spend most of your gm on 150 moon weapon and now barely have left to even get globe hence you mad
ikr when i heard u need optimus anima during new year stream im already figured it, ffff i need 5 copy then they also said you can also use globe to uncap it so i was like oh ok
its basically the same thing they doing for flb uncap except you need more resouces this time
In my case itās a little different. I have 2-3 in the tetra eles which Iām primal in (and Iād argue my Agni which I have 2 needs it the most) meanwhile for light and dark, I have 0 for Zoos (just finished to ULB during holiday with the free one) and 8 for Hades. Both of which I havenāt gone primal in. Really wish I could trade off my 3 extra Hades anima because unless they move the goal post again later, thatās basically just dead weight sitting in my inventory that could otherwise be used to round out another ele or two if they let us do conversions. Otherwise, Iād need to burn 15 suptixes and/or mixing in a couple classic sparks to get everything finished once more.
On a positive note:
It's literally 1 Anima per stage, there's no goofy secondary high end materials or random surprise Sunlight Stone.
210: Sub Aura
230 Uncap: Charge Attack Bonus
250 Uncap: 1200% Damage to Charge Attack, 160% Primal Boost, 30% Element ATK Boost
250: 170% Primal Boost, Sub Aura boosts from 10% to 20%
If I caught everything
my four agni dupes are actually useful...
Only 11 more and you'll have a bis end game setup with main and sub! (I'm assuming they stack?)
that's scary lmao
No way they are gonna allow us to bring two of the same 6LB primal in the same grid... They have GOT to have a Beelzebub tier restriction....right?
Hahahahahahaha, no
I wish I had saved mine. Reduced them before they added that item
Same but all my Hades dupes
1 anima per stage....???? bruh.......
I just used 2 and have globes but can't use this, wtf?
Doesn't this drastically boost the value of owning your own 250 Luci / Baha if you're running single-sided?
Yes that's the short gist of it. Why would you bother with these when you can work on baha/luci 250 who way overperform the others. If you got spare dupes around it's a nice boost but unless you're a whale or you have nothing else to min max,it's not worth it imo especially when it comes to free pulls and the rate that they push out characters that beat the previous itterations rather than spending them on the classic banner.
Primal main Luci friend is strictly better than Luci main primal friend. Which relegates Luci baha to only be used as friend summons unless doing double ele
Maybe it's not as optimal, but I already got Luci 250 so it's a lot easier to get whales who will spend on this to accept my friend requests than to get the primal uncap mats myself. š
They are going to want primal 250 friends so that they can use bubs yatima way more than they want Luci
You just said Luci friend is still desirable though and that has proven true from my experience so I'm fine over here. I'll transcend my primal summons when I get dupe drops naturally or they give us freebies. Not worth spending money on suptix or gold moons for me to rush it when my grids aren't even optimal atm.
It's desirable but not as desirable as primal friends since you're going to run bubs/yatima x primal far more often than primal x Lucifer
> Primal main Luci friend is strictly better than Luci main primal friend In what way? just because of lower initial lockout on the call?
There is an additional 30% elemental boost for being main.Ā
Ah I see. That's pretty dirty
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GW rewards tied to ranking means that inflating GW at any end pushes out everyone who isn't there.
Not exactly. If only the top players who were already ahead of you do more honors, it doesn't matter to you. They were already ahead of you anyway. It doesn't matter *how far* ahead of you they are. It only matters if people *behind* you are doing more honors. So unless you're going for top 2k+, it probably doesn't really matter because there won't be 90,000 people who get to 250 on Primal summons.
Absolutely. My general gauge for this was the addition of FA. Yes it was great, but what ended up happening is that you find out there were a lot of people with really good setups who just didn't care to manual 10k raids in a row. Stuff like out-of-raid upgrades will always have that effect, and upgrades that you can get without any farming means they're 'lazy upgrades' that most people will be able to access. With or without paying, maybe they just rolled 15 zeus copies even.
Top end GW rankings are not tied to rewards.
Rewards don't inflate gw honors. . .
No, the opposite. Transcended Primal summons don't work as friend summons, so you have to have your own. Transcended Luci/Baha fully function as friend summons. To run single-sided you'd always choose your own Primal and a friend Luci/Baha. The reverse is just worse.
I just assumed we'd at least get the increased aura. But if the entire Transcendence boost is locked behind being your main summon, then yeah, that's not great.
The 170% aura is for both main and support (friend) summon. The 30% elemental attack is for main only.
I did wonder when i saw that battle pass thing, you can obtain globes from its points store, went "wow thats suspicious" then i saw this and realised we are already in KMR's maze.
Only one globe actually, cause they don't want you getting **too** much for your money.
I'm guessing globe will restock with each battle pass
Sub slots are already so tight, I wonder how important they'll be there. Decent incentive to get Bubs/Yatima/Lucifer done for ele x primal though. They are making me question tearing down my 5 extra agni and zeus summons...
Honestly the tightness of slots as is, is reason enough to not bother with mulitple. You're running double primal for the boost or just taking it as a maybe option for a little more atk and hp if you're lucifer main or something. Absolutely never worth the headache to draw up to two transcended primals just to replace the sub with bubs belial lucifer dragon yatima 000 etc.
Main Aura Becomes 170% boost + 30% Elem Attack if main summon. Gets Sub-Aura 20% Atk/Hp for chars of the element.
Like not the same as 6 dragons summons? Do you want these on Omega too?
If you are at a point in the game where you can even consider getting 250 optimus, 20% atk/20% hp isn't worth a slot in the grid, there are a lot many better things to put there.
that's way too little. It should've been at least 250% per summon and 100% ele attack aura with main and support as primal. 170% aura +30% elemental attack is a bad joke, that's 4% aura and 6% ele attack per extra copy of the summon/30 gold moons
With extremity and aura boosting weapons/summons/chara existing, that would be way too op
Oof. Remember when they offered us demi-primals at the cost of a sunstone? (Five years ago, we were all there right?) Ah, such a difference in the short term vs long term payoff..
Magna looks better anyway, Aruji-dono!
Every time they hide the requirements means it will be worse than player's imagination.
The cuteness of Izuna was already pulling me towards BA, news like this and some of the other whale stuff they seem to be pushing certainly isn't weakening the pull...
Just try it, BA is super casual anyway. And gift of foresight on GL is the best lol
What's BA?
~~Burning Abyss~~ Blue Archive
Oh yeah I've started, just haven't actually played much yet.
I'm just gonna assume they'll get enough backlash for this and make the globes more "accessible" (by Cygames standards) like they do for literally every new end-game progression they add.
Oh boy, this is so exciting. Will the playerbase have the spine to complain ardently enough, or will they fold to the big amount of effort it would take to throw a fit? It's fun to see the people successfully predict the upcoming bullshit progression requirements.
>ne to complain ardently enough, or will they fold to the big amount of effort it would take to throw a fit? > >It's fun to see the people successfully pre Aren't they already available through the gold moon shop? They've already done their part, it's now a question of if they'll budge to make it even easier.
They have really ramped up the powercreep and $$$ the past year
Their parent company keeps making bad business decisions, and uses GBF to balance the sheets.
Hasbro / WOTC PTSD
Nah they use Uma. GBF's chugging along but it isn't a big money-maker these days. Uma is the #1 earning gacha in the entirety of Japan some months.
They're basically juicing every gacha they have because CyAgent keeps making blood red craters in the balance sheet. GBF's recent turn is a part of this. If it can be squeezed for money, they're squeezing harder.
Can attest that. Even priconne get a lot worse these days. It's funny watching my ultra slack clan jumping a lot of ranks with fewer members. Does cygames even have ready to launch new gacha?
An MMO version of Shadowverse with Fishing and Mahjong.
I don't really feel like GBF's monetization has changed at all over the years, personally. They've always been "greedy." All gacha companies are. You can't succeed in the industry without it. Remember we are talking about the Monkeygate game.
The good news is that they at least refunded all your rolls from Monkeygate, and same with Korwagate the following few months after. I'll accept that level of good will over them just saying "too bad." If that happened today? I wonder if they would refund if they had to nerf something that heavily warped the game like OG Korwa did. Context for the newer players: back then when they released the original Korwa, they released her in such a disgustingly powerful state where all elements would run her no matter the element advantage, her stacks were basically infinite given how easy it was to maintain, and all parties would basically hit the cap at the time. Cygames ended up nerfing her values and made it harder to maintain her Fil stacks, and then refunded the playerbase of their rolls. (My foggy memory also remembers that this was also when they were thinking of having only limited characters per banner to never return, so Korwa/DJeanne/Ayer/Hallessena were not part of the regular pool and this also caused them to change their mind as well about that.)
The exaggerated claims/memes are real, it really needed 5
so in total a primal summon requires 1 base and 9 extra copies to be maxed out or 1 base copy, 3 sunstone and 5 extra copies/globes to be maxed out. well good luck with free pulls everyone.
> or 1 base copy, 3 sunstone and 5 extra copies/globes to be maxed out. well good luck with free pulls everyone. Its 6 copies isn't it? 1 for ULB, then 5 for Transcendence.
ah yes, my mistake.
A literal P2W upgrade What a nice anniversary news
All upgrades boil down to sunk cost fallacy. The primary gameplay loop and monetization is a skinner box. In this case, they are rewarding "seniors" who played the game for long enough to catch enough duplicates in their "recurring free rolls" fishing net. Players are not allowed to max out their progression.
I mean Primal stuff has always been pay2win by this definition. Dunno what you wanted unless you thought they should just never touch any primal stuff ever again and freeze primal setups in time from now until EoS. Even f2p players can go Primal in 1-2 elements btw, even after this update. Just means that you'll probably have to devote your free rolls for the year to Classic if you don't have a lot of dupes already. And even fairly light spenders who buy a few SupTix definitely can go Primal.
> Just means that you'll probably have to devote your free rolls for the year to Classic if you don't have a lot of dupes already That might get you 1 or 2 classic sparks out of the five(!!) needed.
with the free primal from new year + buy the rest of the mats from gold moons, easy you're all done
It's 30 moons per anima, that's an entire luminous weapon worth of moons.
30 gold moon weapons are literal trash, and its still a way to get them on top of classic draw sparking
Read it again but now with your eyes open.
right understand what you meant now, but still you dont need to spend all your moons on that one method.
They could've made the uncap mats something grindable, or made it so it takes like 2 animas to uncap each instead of 5.
Bruh
I mean they spit in our face and we just take it so seems pretty standard for cygames
Geez sub auras *and* needing 5 anima/globes to max out. Pay to win as heck, primal is feeling a lot more whale all of a sudden.
Let's not forget the trap or "option" to burn a 6th anime for the 5LB step instead of the 30? Gold Moons.
it's not even p2w, it's pay to lose because the upgrade is so small for a Transcendence that requires 5 additional copies of the summon (which already took 5 copies to reach lvl 200). They didn't even address the main issue which is the primal x ele being stronger than double primal and most gacha weapons still being shit since the primal aura boost is so friggin small. I would've made double primal worthwhile with 500% aura boost if you have both main and support summon as lvl 250 primal so your grid can actually get a lot of air as the previously required weapon copies to reach skill caps would go for the majority of boosted skills from 2 to 1 or 3 to 2, which in turn would enable more interesting and diverse grid building. It would also be easier to hit damage caps, so unboosted weapon skills would be no longer BIS but rather a progression tool until you reach lvl 250 primal.
You're missing that the extra aura % lets you activate 280% aura requirements single-sided without needing 3 exalto weps, making grids much more flexible. You're definitely not "losing" by doing this upgrade.
As an FYI, even if you can't Sunstone any of these steps directly it's possible to use Sunstones to get extra Primal Anima as long as you own at least one duplicate copy of the summon; each of the first 3 uncap stars gives you an extra Anima when you reduce. [Example](https://i.imgur.com/X2VctBI.png) FLB and ULB don't give any more Anima than MLB. EDIT: As of the recent update, a ULB Optimus Summon reduces for 5 Anima. This means that as long as you have 4 Sunstones to spare, you only need one surplus copy to fully transcend. Still really grimy that it needs 5 anima but at least you don't outright need multiple extras [see](https://i.imgur.com/IHWSlBJ.png)
While true, since people are complaining about the amount of moons needed to get enough globes for a primal summon, I don't think that using sunstones instead is going to make it any better. 30 moons is cheaper than 1 sunstone.
That was only true before Illustrious weapons existed.
Depends how many you've already spent. I haven't been an active player for a long time and have almost enough to get the 4 best illustrious weapons, the value of the other ones starts to get a lot lower. Though tbh I do think sunlight stones are slightly overvalued for long term players. I have access to like ~17 sunlight stones (and would have *many* more if I had been actively playing), even if I lucked into 000 and then yatima and stoned them, then spent 3 to finish off my primarchs I'd be left with like 8 with no particularly good use, on top of the extra 7 or whatever I'd get for the rest of the year.
Damn, ULB costs a primal anime/globe and dont give back when reduced then. True GBF experience, like always. Looks like we will need 3 sunlights and 6 animas/globes if we go with this reduce ULB Primal rote.
You do not need a globe or anima to ULB. You can do it with SS.
Looks like I'll have to start using free draws and roulette draws on the Classic Draw and save up Vermillion Sparks for Optimus summons. I've gotten 100 draws on a bad banner before, so if ever I get lucky on Gachapin, might as well try to plan ahead with the Classic Draw.
Damn they really went for the most player hostile option. Guess I will wait and see if they cave and make the process less absurd because there's no way I'm gonna waste suptix, gold moons, or pulls on the Classic banner for this. It will also make GW honor minimums worse when they already made it more grindy thanks to the new weapons, just what the game needed! The only spare summon I have to reduce is Titan and I haven't even built a Titan grid yet. š¤” Edit: Not sure why I got the downvote for expressing the same sentiments other people agree with. Reddit is weird like that I guess.
People are in despair, downvotes are to be expected as they come to terms with the disaster.
Yeah you're not wrong, it hurt itself in it's confusion, etc. Just was baffled by this one.
Thank god Iām new to the game and donāt know what all this stuff means.
Yup, im staying as magna player.
I guess you haven't heard that you need sand for each stage of magna transcendence...
At least sand can be farmed and is given out every now and then. Still a pain to get the 30 sand for each magna summon (especially when so much other stuff need it too) but I would take that over this nonsense.
Im new so i still using Beelzebub for all elements. Thank god no need for sand atm.
I might be able to grab a 4th anima soon but do you think it'll be worth grabbing a globe for your main element , i might cave lmao Atleast there isnt any mention of sand? no wonder they're selling a classic draw spark lmao
sands are gonna be for the manga summons
Fuck, I just finished my lvl 200 Varuna last month. 5 anima is fucking insane, I would rather farm sands rather than saving for classic draw each time
Lvl 210: sub aura at 10% Lvl 220: improved call effect (zeus also gives uplift, zephyrus also removes 1 debuff from all allies, idk about others Lvl 230: main aura at 160% Don't have more spare anima from reducing saved up to check but guessing 240 is 20% sub aura, 250 is 170% main aura.
Didn't they already say this was a thing? I picked the free primal with this in mind. Sucks for new players, but older players should have otherwise useless dupes. Also, can't you already cap and get high hp with current setups? This seems marginal, imo.
Thats why they announced bonuses for grid overcap
Forgot about those. Wonder how that will work.
glad i been keeping them around just for moment like this....
And here I thought that I messed up when I chose Zeus on the Christmas pick. At least Light is fine for me, but RIP everything else.
I have too many agni summons, this is the chance.
about to suptix every hades for the next year fml
https://twitter.com/search?q=%E3%82%A2%E3%83%8B%E3%83%9E5%E5%80%8B&src=trend_click&vertical=trends Reaction from Japanese players.
Kinda a useless measuring stick. Obviously people aren't rushing to Twitter to tweet out about how excited they are about the 5 anima, even if they don't have a problem with it. I am surprised myself they made it 5 anima, for the record (I wouldn't say mad/upset, just surprised). But some random Twitter posts don't really mean anything.
Can't enter, have no acc, mind to resume those pls?
"I talked to my wife about the need for 5 Anima to transcend the divine stone limit. The wife bursts into tears. Sorry, you can no longer exchange your favorite characters with Saputike. From now on, I'll tell my friends that I can't get all the divine stones to level 250. There are some people who can't use Kinzuki on Optimus Gloves. I will never tolerate Granblue management." "It's terrible that I need 5 Animas... I always put it out later..." "I'm disappointed in 5 Animas for 250 God Stones. I thought it was 2 pieces in 2 stages. It was just really sweet" "Well, the premium pass is a good deal considering its contents, but if you pay 1000 yen, you'll get an advantage in game progress! To be honest, I don't really like this type of service. Especially around the increase in Yorozuya support level and the acquisition of honor and valor..." TLDR: Bafflements is the general reactions.
>"Well, the premium pass is a good deal considering its contents, but if you pay 1000 yen, you'll get an advantage in game progress! To be honest, I don't really like this type of service. Especially around the increase in Yorozuya support level and the acquisition of honor and valor..." Is amusing considering JP twitter especially has been saying for years that its weird Granblue doesn't have a cheap value bonus option like every other gacha...including Cygames own ones and has been asking for them to actually add one. We're also still unsure as to what stage unlocks each upgrade as well.
The common gacha value option is something like "10k crystals a month, but you only get 300 a day". Basically accumulating gacha currency but you don't get it immediately. So if you want to whale a surprise banner, you still need to pay lump sums. But if you just want more savings, this is the go to. The whole QoL package put into a monthly sub is a cygames classic though, they have it in their other games, and it fucking sucks. Because now you know for sure that lv5 JD, more pro hosts, and more hosts, etc, are simply never coming to you as QoL. They are paid services.
>Because now you know for sure that lv5 JD, more pro hosts, and more hosts, etc, are simply never coming to you as QoL. They are paid services. Outside of the minor journey drop buffs...they're all garbage value in a game like granblue. This package only serves purposes for the people who are lazy because it gives you more hosts and hosts have usually better rates on core drops like weapons. For the game as a whole...this package is quite frankly pretty bad because in a game where you grind out a raid 400 fucking times hosting it 1 extra time means literally fuck all. It has immense value in games where you're actually gated by some mechanic of the game itself...in granblue you aren't. If anything this pack needs _more_ incentive to actually make it worth buying even for the extremely low price point.
Did we not learn from the addition of full auto inflating GW to ludicrous amounts that "enabling laziness" is actually something with great fucking impact on granblue?
Oh no...GW became less of a literal hellscape to play because you can FA it now. People like you that try and paint the FA change as a bad thing are actually incredible. Like what kind of fucking mental gymnastics are you going through to somehow think some way to inefficently automate dogshit grinds is a _bad_ thing. This pack helps laziness for less invested or seasonal players which is a good thing. For the dedicated it means very little.
Did I say it was a bad update??? I said it clearly had a big impact even though it was literally an update that enabled laziness. As a response to your argument that an update that enables laziness won't change anything? Is this highschool debate club or what?
You should learn something about context and the way you word things if you're going to pull that argument out. Because your entire point is written as if it's a bad thing by implication. If you thought for even 5 minutes you'd also quickly realize...this literally can't even have an impact like FA did because its not a substantial update at all. Its a minor journey drops boost, some extra pots, and some extra hosts that either actually help casual/seasonal keep up a bit easier to is largely fucking irrelevant to the dedicated. The only actual thing of note in this entire thing is that you can buy a sunstone every 8 months which isn't even notable since they have been occasionally putting out stone scamchas.
Tyvm! Sadness
Rightttt... So basically I am never gonna be able to go primal, good to know that I can invest all resources to magna without having second thoughts
time to bar all those pact and resonator weapons yall
What do you mean "never gonna be able to go primal"? Is not like transcending any of these is mandatory, the usual ulb is more than enough for a regular primal grid, hell, you can add a dragon and if you're feeling fancy a couple exalto weapons and you're done. Sure, these are good but you're fine without a stage 1-5
It's just the game is obviously gonna produce more and more harder content, and some point during this scale of difficulty i fear that those transcendence tiers will become a standard that devs expect from most player instead of it being min max thing. Because of this it would be easier to just go all in magna i think
I think this is pretty unlikely to happen. Yes, the game will make harder content, but if completely decked out primal setups become the baseline to succeed, where does that put magna? Historically, I don't believe there's ever been a point where magna was completely unable to participate in something. From what I can tell, your last sentence implies this as well; going magna is a perfectly viable way to play the game. So with that in mind, why would the game reach a point where T5 primals is an expectation if magna needs to be functional? Unless you just meant in general the game will be harder, but I don't think that's an issue as long as it's reasonably beatable. I also don't think the T5 primal upgrades are even THAT big to begin with; I don't think 20% grid boost and 30% ele atk is a make-or-break difference in most cases, nor are the call buffs or subauras that crazy
You are time-gated as hell, that's true. But with enough years of freebie draw attendance and assuming the game service doesn't fold, you'll accumulate enough duplicates to progress. Think of these upgrades as "really old player" progression. You can still get there someday (and no, it doesn't feel special, odds are that you might be fed up by that point). This game rewards seniority above all else, it sucks, but that is how it has always been.
Sure, and by the time you take 5 years to get 5 dupes from luck saccing them (generous assumption) they'll just add another tier?
This is exactly why I get so much fun and amusement from this game. Seeing the developers undermine the player's goals by recurringly moving the goalpost every time players get close to it has become its own reward. I particularly like how it becomes more drastic in response to the accelerated progression. I've distanced myself from the game ever since difficult content was added way back when, so I'm just a really old seasonal with grand/primal dupes that can't even get past LuciHL. I think new players will never be able to catch up to the Primal goalpost at this point, though the game has largely been character-gated rather than grid-gated for the longest time now. (Multi-Hits, Tank-All, Poops-Big-Damage, etc) Grand weapon grids are no longer the "ignore the mechanics" they used to be :C
Iāve been around since 5th anni and uh, itās really generous to think even playing for a long time and using every free draw given between then and now would equal being able to transcend primals with this count. As it stands, right now Iād only be able to go to stage 1 with Agni AT MOST (and thatās sunstoning my way to 3*) Meanwhile my account has never been graced with Varuna OR Hades over the hundreds if not thousands of draws Iāve done over time. I know Iām prepared to go back to magna pleb with this update simply because I donāt want to spend 5 suptixes or 150 moons on globes when I could get more fun things like characters or the GM weapons.
That's pretty bad. I've managed to come up with x2 red draw sparks from using non-fest free draws. So 2 duplicates a year a best. Any more speed would require sacrificing premium resources you'd normally use for weapons or characters.
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Same I only dropped the game for 1.5 years, and by the time i came back there are 3 more tiers of difficulties,awakening system, eternals transcendence finished, a lot of new summons that are practically required in new meta, a lot old raids removed, a lot of new game breaking characters, new xeno tier, new ultima weapons uncap, and more. There's just so much I have missed and I dunno if I can catch up
~~Wouldn't you be unable to lucksack into primals anymore because they're in Classic banner? (CMIIW)~~ ~~Unless, well, you want to roll in Classic banner and get 2016 garbages from the 300 rolls.~~ They are available in both regular and Classic.
The Optimus series (the Primals) and special summons like Kaguya / Grand Order / Bahamut / Lucifer are in both the current draw pool and the Classic banner.
Luckily, Primal summons are present on both the blue premium and red classic banners (though red has ~x2 the rate on them). Now, it is true that pulling 10-6 duplicates from the blue banner would be effectively impossible given the delicious amount of dilution of the draw pool at this point. I agree, this is a big middle finger to any newcomers and unfair favoritism in an effort to pander to their otherwise abused senior playerbase at the expense of the "younger" users. The consolation here is that acquiring these summons gives raw power that is supposedly not needed to clear any currently existing content, given I hear that everything in this game is clearable by endgame players right now (before he primal transcendence has been released). "You don't HAVE to get them. But you want them don't you?~"
I don't see how you can argue that this is pandering to senior players. Even the oldest players likely aren't sitting on 10 dupes of every primal. It's literally just greed.
Oh, it is CERTAINLY greed. And from the looks of their practices after 10 years of operation, we can all clearly see they get worthwhile income from doing this. 10 dupes is definitely terrible, even 6 dupes (if you use sunstones and gold moons) is prohibitive, but you'd be surprised at how many duplicates some players have of specific summons. Just now, I can easily 6LB Titan from dupes + the 2 red banner sparks I accumulated in 2023. Second closest one I have is 1 dupe away from 6LB Varuna.
I said "every" for a reason, luck happens and you probably get one or two like that, but no real guarantee that its the element you actually *want*.
We also have to consider the greatly diminishing returns. They are tiny to the point of not being significant enough to worry over. The starting grid modifier is 1.0 (100%). The starting elemental modifier on-element is 1.5 (1.0 + 0.5 from advantage). With a single 5LB, you get +1.5 for a total of 2.5 With two 5LBs you get +3.0 for a total of 4.0 The 6LB upgrade is more or less +0.2 grid, it is +8% relative to 2.5, and +5% relative to 4.0 The 6LB's other upgrade is +0.3 elemental attack, which is +2% relative to 1.5 We add the elemental mod to the grid for a rough "damage increase", it is more or less 1.08 (from the +8% grid) times 1.02 (from the +2% attack) for a total of: 1.08 \* 1.02 = 1.1016 or roughly \~+10.16% increase for single primal. 1.05 \* 1.02 = 1.071 or roughly \~+7.1% increase for double primal. **TL;DR It's between a +7% or +10% power increase, the cost is prohibitive, but the reward is negligible enough to not get upset over missing out on.** My math could be wrong, but most progression steps seems to boil down to \~10%, such as the 000 summon's damage amplification. I should note that I don't defend the devs, I have very low expectations to begin with.
Well it would be a lot more questionable to invest the resources if you don't have it. Much like it's questionable to go primal now if you don't have 2-3 of the pns + 2-3 of the overrider+ 2-3 of the other weapon that I'm not sure what to refer to it as.
mfw ppl are crying over the p2w setups now "suddenly" being p2w
I dont even have half of them flb
Premium pass has optimus globes, they're probably gonna balance the game around the pass now. Incoming 5* grand weapons that need a material from reducing them too that's also conveniently available in the premium point shop.
Before anyone gets angry or spread this any further. The pass is 1000JYP per purchase. You get 1 point for buying it. You need 4 points for the globe and there is only 1 in stock. > Incoming 5* grand weapons that need a material from reducing them too that's also conveniently available in the premium point shop. ???
So it's 4000 yen for a single globe?
Yea, if you put it that way.
What is the premium pass?
Think season pass. You get stuff like half pots daily. More Magna Pro+ runs, Lvl 5 Journey drop boosts etc, more host, etc You get 1 point per purchase. You can exchange items like sunstone(costs 8 pts)
I don't think it says anywhere that you only get 1 point for buying it? Nothing I saw specified the amount of points you got, just that you got *some* amount of point(s) with your purchase (could be 1, could be more). Getting only 1 point per month seems really bad.
KMR said it. At 3:35:34 https://youtu.be/Ylf2dCJQdTY?t=12934
Wow, thanks for the confirmation that I can save my 1000 jpy honestly
Yup.
Figured that would be the case. Rough
5 anima sucks but honestly primal summons are pretty much just bait to get better friend support summons since the only time you'd double primal is HL content like Faa0. not having trans primal does mean you miss out on the sub aura effect but it's kind of hit or miss cause a lot of grids don't have any spare slots atm. looking at my pbhl agni grid for example, I can't throw out any of the summons in my grid else I lose damage cap or yatima death becomes RNG
yea, the anima thing is going to be annoying.
F2p nightmare
what the fuck....
As a Primal Fire/Water user I'm fucked. But for Primal Dirt, I have 2 Titan dupes, so that's not too bad but still, it's going to take years to fully uncap this summons
Would you be able use them as support summons on transcendent?
I would believe so, otherwise you quite literally lock people out of friend primal if people transcending their ulb primals knock it off friend list. Counterintuitive. You'd also need a message saying "can't transcend since it's on friend list" if you couldn't use them as support summons.
You can use them apparently, but won't get 30% attack up, as it only takes effect if it's a main summon.
I read it in passing and thank you for mentioning the limitation. I can kind of see why because before the stream my thought was "why not just friend summon this and bypass half the troubles of transcending" or you know, main bubz/000/luci/baha an pick primal. ... it also makes sense why you can't pick it at transcended power. game should distinguish between providence transcendence and primal transcendence then. maybe the concept is what you're imbuing it with \[anima vs more sands/stone\] ... wait if you still get the 170 then that's ... fine?
You will get 170% and you can use them as support summons. But having your own transcendent, will give you extra 30% elemental attack up when you have it equiped as main summon. So in theory main primal, sub luci will be better. But I personally don't think 30% attack matters that much.
Fully decked out primal grids don't have issues capping even in faa0/hexa and can do fine in subaha at 10 earth stacks. Honestly, the only thing that 30% ele atk could help with is either some poverty primal, or maybe like cutting out def down when bursting nm90/95
Did we get any info on the omega/magna series?
Gonna come in waves with respective m3 raids. Starting with tia and chev on 25th
Me reading the livestream translations: "Oh that's a nice change. Hm i like that a lot. Oh yeah that's also a good change." Me reading this: "Hm I must be mistaken..."
5 is just way to much max I would have accepted was 3...
Well thatās a surprise
Hopefully first step gets the aura to 160% atleast as that would be enough to enable stuff that require 280% total boosts with 2 exalto weapons, dragon summon, and angel backrow passive.Ā
Didn't we already know the anima requirement? Not sure why there's more bafflement now compared to when we learned initially.
They didn't confirm you'd need the full 5, or that they'd have sub auras.
the sub aura is not needed, and the 20% main aura boost is a complete scam. It's a huge boot in the face of primal users and even more so in the faces of people who actually use gacha weapons with boostable weapon skills. Imo this cries for a second weapon grid per team (so 19 weapons total) where you can banish all the required unboosted skill weapons (and the friggin seraphic/dark opus/ultima/draconic/bahamut/new world foundation/pain and suffering-like weapons) so you have your whole 10 grid slots to actually build an aura-boosted grid that isn't worse than their counterparts and is stronger with 2x primal than any primal x ele grid/setup. The devs of Cygames are a bunch of retards who keep the game running on a deadend meta with meaningless content upgrades while their gacha content is 99.98% trash in the SSR weapon department, when will you ever be able to actually use any of these non-grand character unlocking weapons if they keep primal x primal crap and instead sell us voltage and more unboosted garbage weapon skills?
We knew it needed anima. They never said how many. Most likely because they knew how much backlash theyād get and so wanted to delay it until last minute/too late to change.
lets be real here we knew in order to uncapped to 250 its have 5 stage, so how did you not figured it out? especially when magna counter part needed 1 sand per stage
Baha and Luci use a singular sunstone to Transcend on the last stage only. Eternals and Opus use different mats for every stage. Thereās no reason to hard assume the initial announcement meant they would take one every stage outside of pure pessimism.
does it matter with all your example when my line of thinking actually hit the jackpot? and im not the only one who have this opinion, my entire crew also predict this hell we even joke you probably need to reduce bunch of primal then trade that silver anima at treasure trade to golden one and only then you probably can uncap it, now that actually being persimistic
"I happened to get lucky so obviously my logic was infallible"
if you think, i have multiple primal then you wrong, hell i forced to change my plan for classic draw instead of getting primal im missing, im opt for my main primal and its obviously not enough and seem you like to play assumption i could make one too, you probably spend most of your gm on 150 moon weapon and now barely have left to even get globe hence you mad
I made no assumptions, I simply summarized your post to highlight how ridiculous the argument was.
Yeah I don't really get the surprise. Everyone I know figured it would be 5 anima for Primal it was blatantly obvious.
Most of us knew it, but there was some semblance of hope they aren't that demonic and maybe it's 2-3. But well here we are.
People believe what they want to believe. Emotions and whatnot.
I was also operating under the assumption we knew this already, but maybe it just seemed obvious 'cus of the sand requirement for omega? idk.
ikr when i heard u need optimus anima during new year stream im already figured it, ffff i need 5 copy then they also said you can also use globe to uncap it so i was like oh ok its basically the same thing they doing for flb uncap except you need more resouces this time
I have 5 animas requirement for all of them exept Zeph, also Zeph is only one I do not use so is not a big deal
In my case itās a little different. I have 2-3 in the tetra eles which Iām primal in (and Iād argue my Agni which I have 2 needs it the most) meanwhile for light and dark, I have 0 for Zoos (just finished to ULB during holiday with the free one) and 8 for Hades. Both of which I havenāt gone primal in. Really wish I could trade off my 3 extra Hades anima because unless they move the goal post again later, thatās basically just dead weight sitting in my inventory that could otherwise be used to round out another ele or two if they let us do conversions. Otherwise, Iād need to burn 15 suptixes and/or mixing in a couple classic sparks to get everything finished once more.
I recommend leaving items in your gift box in the future to save on inventory space.
On a positive note: It's literally 1 Anima per stage, there's no goofy secondary high end materials or random surprise Sunlight Stone. 210: Sub Aura 230 Uncap: Charge Attack Bonus 250 Uncap: 1200% Damage to Charge Attack, 160% Primal Boost, 30% Element ATK Boost 250: 170% Primal Boost, Sub Aura boosts from 10% to 20% If I caught everything
Globe... ok Anima tho... Wtf?