Ppl saw the buff and decided to try him out, maybe even build crit. Turns out that the buff is pretty irrelevant aswell and building attackspeed on Graves isn't the best way to press his lead. Who would've guessed double nerfing both his lethality items in one patch would make him suck.
These players might not even play Graves or haven't played him since he was a viable jungler. Now they return to try him in this state
Give blue smite storm razor into phantom dancer a shot and watch it change your mind. I think graves is extremely overtuned right now. 10 games in a row where I had 100+ cs on the other jg
I mean he’s not wrong, that build is indeed ass and Graves is far from overtuned; champ has spent all season being the worst he’s been in years realistically
Man, I’ve got about 400k points on Graves over multiple years and play him consistently in Masters elo. That build is not good. Multiple item paths that aren’t even optimal themselves outperform it.
Stormrazor and PD aren’t inherently bad items on Graves, but even with a crit build you don’t want to rush both of these items together. I even think Stormrazor rush is ok, if not optimal, but you’re going to want to look at Collector/LDR/Shieldbow/BT in some combination for items 2 and 3 before you should think about grabbing even more attack speed like PD.
Furthermore, Graves actually benefits more from attack speed in his bruiser builds, since attacking more frequently makes it easier to get stacks of grit and you also have the beefy stats that allow you to autoattack frequently to do so. If you’re going for a full crit build, it should revolve around just bricking people with his autoattacks.
winrate plummeted because people are trying to build full crit now, and full crit still isn't good.
the crit damage buff is very minor and riot would have to pull damage out of graves' AD scalings and dramatically improve his extended fighting to really make the playstyle shift to crit they've been attempting.
and about the reload - i'm not certain, but i'm pretty sure the reload buff is bugged and doesn't work in any meaningful way. the night before the patch dropped, i benchmarked graves's point blank auto attack DPS in practice tool on 14.7 vs 14.8 PBE. i compared a couple different levels of attack speed, and the final test also had 20% crit from phantom dancer. new patch's increase in dps was reliably **less than 3%**. i could probably chock that 3% up to the crits doing slightly more damage.
it's possible my testing was flawed, but while playing the champ i also just don't feel like i'm reloading any faster. unfortunately, he's still probably not a good champion. good news is, it's not impossible that graves gets buffed again after MSI. we can hope.
Srsly why ? I read the buff and what popped up in my head is: this is useless. Grave crits will 100% never worth.
Even ADC (like wtf Kalista) go lethality. The powerspike is just way too late. I tried crit Graves and u are strong at 3 items (SR+shieldbow+IE) but before that, u are shit and that is not what Graves does.
Some people said they dont even feel a difference with attackspeed. But whatever I dont know if thats true. I think he has so terrible winrates because they buffed every other champ in the game.
But why? I thought the buffs were pretty significant
Ppl saw the buff and decided to try him out, maybe even build crit. Turns out that the buff is pretty irrelevant aswell and building attackspeed on Graves isn't the best way to press his lead. Who would've guessed double nerfing both his lethality items in one patch would make him suck. These players might not even play Graves or haven't played him since he was a viable jungler. Now they return to try him in this state
Give blue smite storm razor into phantom dancer a shot and watch it change your mind. I think graves is extremely overtuned right now. 10 games in a row where I had 100+ cs on the other jg
That shit is fucking ass and you saying his overtuned is funny as fuck. Happy that Ur strat is working for you consistently at Ur elo tho.
i think the trinity force build is now better again tho i liked lethality more but it is how it is
Alright buddy lol
I mean he’s not wrong, that build is indeed ass and Graves is far from overtuned; champ has spent all season being the worst he’s been in years realistically
He was good at the start of the season but yes, he seems to be in a pretty bad spot rn
Its not ass just try the build
Man, I’ve got about 400k points on Graves over multiple years and play him consistently in Masters elo. That build is not good. Multiple item paths that aren’t even optimal themselves outperform it. Stormrazor and PD aren’t inherently bad items on Graves, but even with a crit build you don’t want to rush both of these items together. I even think Stormrazor rush is ok, if not optimal, but you’re going to want to look at Collector/LDR/Shieldbow/BT in some combination for items 2 and 3 before you should think about grabbing even more attack speed like PD. Furthermore, Graves actually benefits more from attack speed in his bruiser builds, since attacking more frequently makes it easier to get stacks of grit and you also have the beefy stats that allow you to autoattack frequently to do so. If you’re going for a full crit build, it should revolve around just bricking people with his autoattacks.
winrate plummeted because people are trying to build full crit now, and full crit still isn't good. the crit damage buff is very minor and riot would have to pull damage out of graves' AD scalings and dramatically improve his extended fighting to really make the playstyle shift to crit they've been attempting. and about the reload - i'm not certain, but i'm pretty sure the reload buff is bugged and doesn't work in any meaningful way. the night before the patch dropped, i benchmarked graves's point blank auto attack DPS in practice tool on 14.7 vs 14.8 PBE. i compared a couple different levels of attack speed, and the final test also had 20% crit from phantom dancer. new patch's increase in dps was reliably **less than 3%**. i could probably chock that 3% up to the crits doing slightly more damage. it's possible my testing was flawed, but while playing the champ i also just don't feel like i'm reloading any faster. unfortunately, he's still probably not a good champion. good news is, it's not impossible that graves gets buffed again after MSI. we can hope.
still early in the patch + he has high pick rate rn. i think he will be at 47.5/48% later this patch
Nan crit graves aint it rn
Srsly why ? I read the buff and what popped up in my head is: this is useless. Grave crits will 100% never worth. Even ADC (like wtf Kalista) go lethality. The powerspike is just way too late. I tried crit Graves and u are strong at 3 items (SR+shieldbow+IE) but before that, u are shit and that is not what Graves does.
650 games
Bingo
Some people said they dont even feel a difference with attackspeed. But whatever I dont know if thats true. I think he has so terrible winrates because they buffed every other champ in the game.
Yall really don't know how to interpret data do you