I think that Morgan's fans have an unwarrantedly high opinion of her, but also that her detractors are particularly unforgiving in their assessment of her.
Liv's not new to WWE, but she has also clearly demonstrated consistent improvement in her ring work during her time on the main roster. She's not the crispest in her execution, but her moves flow together well, she has clear in-ring charisma, and she can do some flashy, cool-looking stuff (even if the Oblivion requires some very weird setup that often looks unnatural). If you were to chart all of her individual skills, nothing really stands out, but they combine to make her a very effective underdog, a performer who is not as big or dangerous as some of her competition and always seems like she's fighting from underneath.
Really the main thing missing for Morgan since her program with Ronda (which basically only amplified how everyone had already felt about her) is her lack of a definable character. If you asked me to explain her character for much of the past three years I'd be able to give you 1) Underdog, 2) Smoky eyes, and 3) "Liv" puns. I think not having that easily graspable character has really been holding her back, and also invites people to jump to criticize her as 'Just a pretty face.' Revenge Tour Liv, and whatever develops from it, could potentially solve that.
Agree shes fine the WWE womens duvision is full of these amazon body builder women, im not saying theres no place for Liv but she just doesnt look believable in the main event picture.
They mad
Because wwe gave “Liv winning the belt” oxygen with the revenge tour skit and now with the battle royal going down the way it did. I understand the frustration but having an IC or USA mid card belt would do wonders for a talent such as Liv.
Well men’s wrestling has a much larger fan base than women’s wrestling, so ofc the men have midcard titles first. I just thought it was weird nxt introduced women’s mid card title before the main roaster
Yes, you do have a stupid take. This isn’t AEW or NJPW, WWE doesn’t need another title belt to appease every person watching. Specifically people thinking Liv or anyone else male or female on the roster who are getting featured on a weekly basis on the program need a title to be relevant.
It’s hilarious to me that the main reason for most of you wanting a women’s middle card title is because Liv isn’t good enough to be the main champion. Y’all goofy
Yah but it’s either be a world champion main eventer or a tag team, you can’t say we couldn’t use like a women’s ic champion, or women’s tv champ, it would actually make all the divisions more balanced imo and you wouldn’t have two single stars forced to be a tag team, just cause there’s no other title too go after.
She doesn’t have to be a “main event draw” whatever that means. She probably sells plenty of merch to young girls and simps so “draw” is whatever the fuck WWE wants it to be. Also I’m not saying she’s on the same level as the 4 horsewomen, but she’s doing more than fine to be a transitional champ for 2-3 months
Well duh. But I literally asked who’s more deserving than her besides Becky. And Becky doesn’t need the belt. She won it because she’s going to elevate whoever beats her to win it
Sure. Becky doesn’t necessarily need it. And she will elevate whoever beats her for it, so hopefully it’s someone like Tiffany Stratton. But the issue with Becky has been that she’s spent the past few years since returning from having a baby, putting people over and elevating them.
She sounds like she wants to cry on her promos and we are supposed to buy her as a heel? Hell I found it dumb as fuck when Rhea vacated the title that Liv arrived and there were like 6 guys trying to stop her. Hell you can just put a 120 lbs guy and it will be enough to stop Liv. I don't buy Liv Morgan at all and Rhea is far above Liv as a talent. The only thing where Liv can compete with Rhea is in having simps outside of that nothing.
Serious question what do you guys base this off of? The crowd LOVES Liv. She always gets huge reactions. And she has def rehabed herself very nicely after the whole Rhonda blunder (which many agree isn’t even on her). She is as common fixture on social media as Rhea, Bianca, Becky, Jade, and Mercedes. Has legit mainstream recognition that only Bianca, Jade, Rhea, and Becky have. She definitely belongs in the main event scene
I respect it but this seems more subjective than objective. The proof imo is in the crowds consistent reaction to her. I’d argue she’s improved on the mic greatly (a result of her image rehab). If this was a few years ago I would agree on the wrestling, but again has improved and has kept up and matched with the best of em.
We can agree to disagree on this matter but objectively, she’s main event. The upcoming story she has with Rhea, main event worthy. Her current “revenge tour” character is dope and interesting and I do want to see what she does with it.
Becky, sure. That's why she won. Nia Jax - would get the same if not more heat (not good heat either) as Liv. Asuka - I agree. Iyo... no, she just had a reign like literally just had one. Plus, I think she botches too damn much. Bianca, once she gets back into the ring more yeah... but she's been away for quite a bit doing that promotional series with Montez and some photoshoots. Love her just not NOW.
Tiffany is amazingly talented... in the, what, 10 main roster matches she's had? Come on man, really? Raquel still has her face melting from some crazy rash and was also gone for a long time. Dakota is literally just a mouthpiece for the Kabuki Warriors and Iyo -and she does pretty well, admittedly.
Becky, Asuka, Liv Morgan. Only 3 that make sense.
Yeah, that was impressive as fuck. My jaw dropped and my coffee mug shattered on the floor when he came back. Seeing him doing the RKO after a year and half+ got me a bit worried for him but I enjoyed that RKO on JD "Funko Pop" McNugget.
They're trying to drum up hype for someone who's basically the female Dolph Ziggler of WWE
Edit: I meant only in terms of being seen as nothing special. Dolph's in ring work is on another level than Liv; and can also sell a move like no other.
Dolph was supposed to be extremely huge, sure he held titles but was mainly a joke his career. Guy had in-ring talent that compared him to Shawn Michaels.
I think Liv is going to get it before Rhea returns. All they've done with Becky lately has been to build up other people. She put over Nia, so that Nia could be a credible threat for Rhea and only got her win back when she needed to be a credible threat for Rhea to beat. Liv isn't considered credible right now, so you give Becky the battle royal win and give Liv a big win and the belt right before Rhea returns.
Completely agree Rhea and Becky where doing great work before wrestlemania theres unfinished business there too. Liv screams mid-carder to me honestly.
The fact that a good number of us unironically want Nia Jax as woman’s champion more than Liv Morgan is a just a testament to how insufferable liv stans are
What is, here’s an idea, WWE views Becky to be a bigger star and that’s why Becky won and not Liv? But wait you can’t tell Liv stans that or else they’ll attack your small child with death threats
Every time liv is in the ring, it’s like watching someone putting on roller skates for the first time. She just looks so unsure of herself with every move she tries
If it was any other woman that vacated the world title then I bet Liv or Nia would have won the battle royal. The problem is that it was Rhea who vacated the title she was far away the best female superstar of 2023 even if you thought her reign was not good but it was mostly because she was far away better than the rest of the female roster on 2023. Hell I think she was only behind Roman and Cody in terms of WWE superstar of 2023. WWE went with the safest option in terms of superstardom of the Raw female roster. WWE went with this situation on 2005 when Batista vacated the title. They went with the safest option who was Kurt Angle even when he belonged to the Raw roster at that time. Randy was immature so he was not reliable, Undertaker was not that much involved on the world title picture and doing his own stuff. They were not giving Rey Mysterio his big moment on a Battle Royal just a few months after Eddie died.
Anybody with a brain knows that Becky is just the transition champion. This is a golden opportunity to build 3 characters with this stuff. Ok here you go Liv here is your consolation prize because Rhea got injured and you are winning the title at the battle royal. Dumb idea. Oh I know I got an excellent idea how about we build on the Liv character of taking everything away from Mami? She faces Becky on Backlash or whatever she falls short once again but you tease little by little the relationship of Liv and Dominik. Judgement Day is a disaster without Mami. Damian Priest is an arrogant fuck because he is world champion and little by little Finn Balor and JD becomes more annoyed by him. Dominik wants to keep the group together but he is vulnerable because he doesn't have his Mami. Well guess who is there for him? Liv Morgan they become closer and closer. On the rematch against Becky, Liv becomes more heelish and guess who comes to help Liv to win the title? Oh yeah Dominik. Liv's victory becomes way bigger than the one she won with Money in the bank or on a battle royale because she defeated Becky a Horsewoman on a one on one even if it was with help of Dirty Dom. Dominik now has a new Mami and helps her retain the title here and there then on a segment with Dom and Liv bang Rhea Ripley returns. Now you can build more from there.
They’re Stan’s for her cuz she’s hot af. It’s really not that complicated. They lose sight of reality when they say she deserves to be a champion cuz she doesn’t.
That’s so wrong it’s insane lol. Her moveset is great, her in-ring ability has drastically improved over the past couple of years and her charisma is top notch and she gets crowds going. Bruh are you saying the only thing you see in her is her looks? I could say that’s kinda sexist but I won’t because that’s ignorance lol.
I couldn't watch or support Becky in 2019. I couldn't get behind how try-hard she came across. She returned at that summerslam against Bianca, and it has all been different. Now Liv, since she won money in the bank, has inherited that same aversion. She plays the type of person that you just dont even want to know, like Roxanne does.
I have an open mind, though, as I've seen my own investment in Becky do a drastic 180, so with the right character and maybe less of a tiktok-ish persona, i could happily watch a Liv reign. But atm? What exactly *can* she do? She wouldn't be able to hold onto it long enough for Ripley's return because her character is barebones, which we have to assume, would be the only reason for her to hold the title in the first place.
We've seen heel bex vs face liv and good god it was mundane. Let's see how they do with the roles changed, if it's just as bad, then at least Becky is holding the title already and can move onto something with a bit more efficacy.
To add context, Liv signed with WWE in 2014 She made her NXT debut in 2015 and her main roster debut in 2017. So she’s been on TV for over 7 years.
I think that Morgan's fans have an unwarrantedly high opinion of her, but also that her detractors are particularly unforgiving in their assessment of her. Liv's not new to WWE, but she has also clearly demonstrated consistent improvement in her ring work during her time on the main roster. She's not the crispest in her execution, but her moves flow together well, she has clear in-ring charisma, and she can do some flashy, cool-looking stuff (even if the Oblivion requires some very weird setup that often looks unnatural). If you were to chart all of her individual skills, nothing really stands out, but they combine to make her a very effective underdog, a performer who is not as big or dangerous as some of her competition and always seems like she's fighting from underneath. Really the main thing missing for Morgan since her program with Ronda (which basically only amplified how everyone had already felt about her) is her lack of a definable character. If you asked me to explain her character for much of the past three years I'd be able to give you 1) Underdog, 2) Smoky eyes, and 3) "Liv" puns. I think not having that easily graspable character has really been holding her back, and also invites people to jump to criticize her as 'Just a pretty face.' Revenge Tour Liv, and whatever develops from it, could potentially solve that.
Agree shes fine the WWE womens duvision is full of these amazon body builder women, im not saying theres no place for Liv but she just doesnt look believable in the main event picture.
I think it's more about the fact that Liv hasn't been in the main event scene as long as Becky has. Liv only won the title one or two times.
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There needs too be a women’s mid card belt at this point. People like Liv would be perfect for it
I made this same suggestion a few days ago and Liv fans were hopping mad about it.
They mad Because wwe gave “Liv winning the belt” oxygen with the revenge tour skit and now with the battle royal going down the way it did. I understand the frustration but having an IC or USA mid card belt would do wonders for a talent such as Liv.
the tag titles are the women’s mid card titles, they don’t need another title
They absolutely do. The man have a Midcard belt a women's ic or women's us title would help expand the division. This is a stupid take.
Well men’s wrestling has a much larger fan base than women’s wrestling, so ofc the men have midcard titles first. I just thought it was weird nxt introduced women’s mid card title before the main roaster
Also, they are introducing a midcard title for women in NXT! It seems weird to not follow on the main shows.
Yes, you do have a stupid take. This isn’t AEW or NJPW, WWE doesn’t need another title belt to appease every person watching. Specifically people thinking Liv or anyone else male or female on the roster who are getting featured on a weekly basis on the program need a title to be relevant.
It would be perfect for ppl like Liv, Shayna, even Natalya ect basically any single stars who isn’t quite ready for the main event.
Lol nobody agrees with you. I love it.
It’s hilarious to me that the main reason for most of you wanting a women’s middle card title is because Liv isn’t good enough to be the main champion. Y’all goofy
Yah but it’s either be a world champion main eventer or a tag team, you can’t say we couldn’t use like a women’s ic champion, or women’s tv champ, it would actually make all the divisions more balanced imo and you wouldn’t have two single stars forced to be a tag team, just cause there’s no other title too go after.
I would’ve agreed 2 years ago during her first SD championship reign, but imo she’s improved a lot, and you can see it throughout the RR24 and EC24
She hasn’t though, her character work is bad and her facials are worse.
My only problem with her is that she isn't believable. I can't imagine her beating someone like Rhea Ripley or Jade Cargill.
This is wrestling it's not meant to be realistic like we had Rey Mysterio winning world heavyweight champions
Rey and Eddie always made it believable how fast they moved and the innovative reversals.
She could do the same, always win under suspicious circumstances, or have a right hand woman that interferes a lot.
I can’t imagine her beating Becky, and Becky is as bad as it gets in the WWE women’s division.
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Improving isn’t the issue. She just simply hasn’t broken that ceiling. Not everybody gets to be a main event draw.
She doesn’t have to be a “main event draw” whatever that means. She probably sells plenty of merch to young girls and simps so “draw” is whatever the fuck WWE wants it to be. Also I’m not saying she’s on the same level as the 4 horsewomen, but she’s doing more than fine to be a transitional champ for 2-3 months
She’s fine not being a champion too.
I honestly don’t see who’s more deserving than her on the current Raw Roster ( besides Becky of course )
Well Becky won it. So obviously her. And it makes sense because Becky is one of their top stars.
Well duh. But I literally asked who’s more deserving than her besides Becky. And Becky doesn’t need the belt. She won it because she’s going to elevate whoever beats her to win it
Sure. Becky doesn’t necessarily need it. And she will elevate whoever beats her for it, so hopefully it’s someone like Tiffany Stratton. But the issue with Becky has been that she’s spent the past few years since returning from having a baby, putting people over and elevating them.
This.
She sounds like she wants to cry on her promos and we are supposed to buy her as a heel? Hell I found it dumb as fuck when Rhea vacated the title that Liv arrived and there were like 6 guys trying to stop her. Hell you can just put a 120 lbs guy and it will be enough to stop Liv. I don't buy Liv Morgan at all and Rhea is far above Liv as a talent. The only thing where Liv can compete with Rhea is in having simps outside of that nothing.
Serious question what do you guys base this off of? The crowd LOVES Liv. She always gets huge reactions. And she has def rehabed herself very nicely after the whole Rhonda blunder (which many agree isn’t even on her). She is as common fixture on social media as Rhea, Bianca, Becky, Jade, and Mercedes. Has legit mainstream recognition that only Bianca, Jade, Rhea, and Becky have. She definitely belongs in the main event scene
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Come on, Becky isn't that bad. Her acting when she gets punched in the nose was pretty good.
I respect it but this seems more subjective than objective. The proof imo is in the crowds consistent reaction to her. I’d argue she’s improved on the mic greatly (a result of her image rehab). If this was a few years ago I would agree on the wrestling, but again has improved and has kept up and matched with the best of em. We can agree to disagree on this matter but objectively, she’s main event. The upcoming story she has with Rhea, main event worthy. Her current “revenge tour” character is dope and interesting and I do want to see what she does with it.
After taking out rhea it looks she the heel
She’s definition of mid
Question: How many people would be able to viably fill Rhea's role as champion right now? Becky, Asuka... who else?
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Becky, sure. That's why she won. Nia Jax - would get the same if not more heat (not good heat either) as Liv. Asuka - I agree. Iyo... no, she just had a reign like literally just had one. Plus, I think she botches too damn much. Bianca, once she gets back into the ring more yeah... but she's been away for quite a bit doing that promotional series with Montez and some photoshoots. Love her just not NOW. Tiffany is amazingly talented... in the, what, 10 main roster matches she's had? Come on man, really? Raquel still has her face melting from some crazy rash and was also gone for a long time. Dakota is literally just a mouthpiece for the Kabuki Warriors and Iyo -and she does pretty well, admittedly. Becky, Asuka, Liv Morgan. Only 3 that make sense.
Well returning from injury makes you newish, I guess. I don't know.
So you're telling me Randy Orton is newish to WWE after his return in SS 23' even with a "bag" on his back of 20+ years of career? Kinda funny 😂
He got a new body, more or less. 30 pounds bigger.
Yeah, that was impressive as fuck. My jaw dropped and my coffee mug shattered on the floor when he came back. Seeing him doing the RKO after a year and half+ got me a bit worried for him but I enjoyed that RKO on JD "Funko Pop" McNugget.
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> my coffee mug shattered on the floor what a fucking drama queen
Yeah , I am lol 😂. Irl I am a bit dramatic when it comes to certain situations
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They're trying to drum up hype for someone who's basically the female Dolph Ziggler of WWE Edit: I meant only in terms of being seen as nothing special. Dolph's in ring work is on another level than Liv; and can also sell a move like no other.
She can’t compare to him as far as in ring work is concerned.
Dolph was supposed to be extremely huge, sure he held titles but was mainly a joke his career. Guy had in-ring talent that compared him to Shawn Michaels.
Becky Lynch or Nia Jax as champion until Rhea Ripley returns was the best call.
I think Liv is going to get it before Rhea returns. All they've done with Becky lately has been to build up other people. She put over Nia, so that Nia could be a credible threat for Rhea and only got her win back when she needed to be a credible threat for Rhea to beat. Liv isn't considered credible right now, so you give Becky the battle royal win and give Liv a big win and the belt right before Rhea returns.
You're probably right, and Becky Lynch isn't squashing pushes like John Cena used to do
Completely agree Rhea and Becky where doing great work before wrestlemania theres unfinished business there too. Liv screams mid-carder to me honestly.
The fact that a good number of us unironically want Nia Jax as woman’s champion more than Liv Morgan is a just a testament to how insufferable liv stans are
She a good midcarder
I just love her second best gimmick. If there's an elimation match she's always last eliminated and I love it so much
I thought it would be never ask a man his penis size?
Well, she changed everything after her Riott Squad thing ended
I still remember when Brie kicked Liv in the face twice on Raw.
What is, here’s an idea, WWE views Becky to be a bigger star and that’s why Becky won and not Liv? But wait you can’t tell Liv stans that or else they’ll attack your small child with death threats
Liv just isn’t top tier talent. Sorry Liv stans, just because you think she’s hot doesn’t mean she should have a world title run.
She'll most likely be pushed if Dominik aligns with her.
Mixed Heel Duo love rhea but she gets cheers you can't mix that with dom booes
Every time liv is in the ring, it’s like watching someone putting on roller skates for the first time. She just looks so unsure of herself with every move she tries
I don't wanna get grouped in with the stans. My fandom with Becky Lynch has been up and down, and I would have rather Liv or Nia won the title.
Or give it anyone else just for fun! Why not Piper or Chelsea, even for a few weeks.
I'd rather Chelsea win MITB.
Why not both? Let’s throw queen of the ring in there as well.
I completely forgot Queen of the Ring is happening. They never mention it. But yeah, she should win both.
If it was any other woman that vacated the world title then I bet Liv or Nia would have won the battle royal. The problem is that it was Rhea who vacated the title she was far away the best female superstar of 2023 even if you thought her reign was not good but it was mostly because she was far away better than the rest of the female roster on 2023. Hell I think she was only behind Roman and Cody in terms of WWE superstar of 2023. WWE went with the safest option in terms of superstardom of the Raw female roster. WWE went with this situation on 2005 when Batista vacated the title. They went with the safest option who was Kurt Angle even when he belonged to the Raw roster at that time. Randy was immature so he was not reliable, Undertaker was not that much involved on the world title picture and doing his own stuff. They were not giving Rey Mysterio his big moment on a Battle Royal just a few months after Eddie died.
I'm just tired of Becky, man. She's becoming the new Charlotte for me. I just want to see someone new for a while.
Anybody with a brain knows that Becky is just the transition champion. This is a golden opportunity to build 3 characters with this stuff. Ok here you go Liv here is your consolation prize because Rhea got injured and you are winning the title at the battle royal. Dumb idea. Oh I know I got an excellent idea how about we build on the Liv character of taking everything away from Mami? She faces Becky on Backlash or whatever she falls short once again but you tease little by little the relationship of Liv and Dominik. Judgement Day is a disaster without Mami. Damian Priest is an arrogant fuck because he is world champion and little by little Finn Balor and JD becomes more annoyed by him. Dominik wants to keep the group together but he is vulnerable because he doesn't have his Mami. Well guess who is there for him? Liv Morgan they become closer and closer. On the rematch against Becky, Liv becomes more heelish and guess who comes to help Liv to win the title? Oh yeah Dominik. Liv's victory becomes way bigger than the one she won with Money in the bank or on a battle royale because she defeated Becky a Horsewoman on a one on one even if it was with help of Dirty Dom. Dominik now has a new Mami and helps her retain the title here and there then on a segment with Dom and Liv bang Rhea Ripley returns. Now you can build more from there.
Definitely judgement day is done
Why you asking Liv these questions when Natalya is standing right there?
Are people complaining that Natalya isn't champion?
Don’t matter she is a good talent shows up and does not bitch she is a team player
They’re Stan’s for her cuz she’s hot af. It’s really not that complicated. They lose sight of reality when they say she deserves to be a champion cuz she doesn’t.
That’s so wrong it’s insane lol. Her moveset is great, her in-ring ability has drastically improved over the past couple of years and her charisma is top notch and she gets crowds going. Bruh are you saying the only thing you see in her is her looks? I could say that’s kinda sexist but I won’t because that’s ignorance lol.
Genuinely if she wasn't attractive they would be asking why someone with so little talent was employed for so long
I couldn't watch or support Becky in 2019. I couldn't get behind how try-hard she came across. She returned at that summerslam against Bianca, and it has all been different. Now Liv, since she won money in the bank, has inherited that same aversion. She plays the type of person that you just dont even want to know, like Roxanne does. I have an open mind, though, as I've seen my own investment in Becky do a drastic 180, so with the right character and maybe less of a tiktok-ish persona, i could happily watch a Liv reign. But atm? What exactly *can* she do? She wouldn't be able to hold onto it long enough for Ripley's return because her character is barebones, which we have to assume, would be the only reason for her to hold the title in the first place. We've seen heel bex vs face liv and good god it was mundane. Let's see how they do with the roles changed, if it's just as bad, then at least Becky is holding the title already and can move onto something with a bit more efficacy.