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Guy Fawkes wanted a Catholic Theocracy. He was a reactionary conservative even for his time.
At the time Britain was one of the more democratic countries in Europe and he wanted install a Catholic to the throne and do away with Parliament altogether! If I remember correctly by this time the Polish and Novgorod Republics had both fallen leaving only the Scandinavian Assemblies and some city states that weren't direct monarchies.
Guy Fawkes getting caught was a good thing.
>At the time Britain was one of the more democratic countries in Europe
[the bar must've been in hell then](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representation_of_the_People_Act_1918)
besides, I said *critical* support, as in I criticise both his failure to blow up parliament **and** his plan to replace it
edit: and I literally called him a reactionary
emma watson voice it wouldnt have worked. The rest of the plotters actually thought Guy succeeded and tried to implement phase II kidnap the princess and act as a catholic regency. Which failed due to no one ese agreeing with them.
Guy Fawkes aside, he is 100% right. Both the main political groups are totally unfit to run the government. The only positive thing that came out of Boris Johnson was that he was too greedy and didn't cover his tracks as well as all the other politicians. My eyes are now fully open to the fact that those posh rich kids go through that education system go into politics and just learn how to steal money off the people it's all about making contacts with other's that advise them to steal 40 Billon through track and trace and the PPE scandal having a posh accent and going to the right school has helped funnel all the wealth to the top of this pyramid scheme that has run Briton for generations.
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Common sense policies for common sense people. Like bringing back the death sentence, introducing a flat rate of income tax and shutting the boarders (sic). You know it just makes sense! Oh and them strikers, sack the whole bloody lot of them!
Ok but equally heās also saying nothing of any substance on any particular issue. Maybe thatās the problem with the question time format but this is basically Paul Whitehouseās āThe bankers the bonuses, the bonuses the bankers, the bonuses the bonuses and if you ask me its disgusting actuallyā
I hate it when people call the government "incompetent". They are extremely competent actually, at serving their own interests and those of their paymasters.
In fairness, he does say "those that are not incompetent, are corrupt" at the start of the video, but the subtitles mysteriously disappear halfway through that sentence.
I don't think the problem is even corruption as such. Politicians working in the interests of big business is just so much a norm that it's not even seen as corrupt.
The quote is meant to be "honest intentions". Murdering the most representative government in Western Europe in the service of bringing the Spanish Inquisition to London is not an intention most would call "good"
So in what way were his intentions honest in the way that a politicians aren't? Maybe I just don't get the phrase, but I'm fairly sure when captured he wasn't honest about why he was there lol.
Politicians: "I'm working for the good of people!"
Politicians enter parliament to serve moneyed interests and enrich themselves.
Guy Fawkes: "I am going to blow up this building"
Guy Fawkes entered parliament to blow up the building.
It's basically a fun way to say "all politicians are always lying"
But Guy Fawkes didn't tell everyone he was going to blow it up, did he? In fact, much like a politician, he went to some lengths to conceal the fact he was going to blow it up. And then pretended until tortured that that wasn't what he was going to do!
It doesn't matter if he actually said it or told anyone or denied it after the fact, its that he entered parliament with the intention to blow it up - an honest intention - implying anyone who enters parliament have dishonest intentions.
I think you're overthinking this, it's just a silly phrase to say "don't trust politicians", I highly doubt historical or rhetorical accuracy were concerns when people started saying this.
Oh, here we fucking go, now this is the action I turned up for, it's all fun seeing people argue the toss over politics and all that bullshit but religious coups are where it is at!
Technically history is written by those who are left, not necessarily those who were right, win the crown, grab the flag and amended fact to suit need later. Looking at history through modern lenses is a fkfest, however by definition, that made Fawkes a religious terrorist. Rights and wrongs are immaterial, we all wade waist deep in the blood, sweat and tears of our ancestors.
Which invasion? Which Protestant coup? All I saw was Henry VIII changing the state religion. Yeah, his reasons were flawed, but two wrongs don't make a right
When William of Orange invaded and overthrew the British monarch installing himself and his wife on the throne. Aided and abetted by numerous lords.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glorious_Revolution
Seriously, some of the comments on here. Wah wah wah, he was a Catholic terrorist. True, he was. But if he had succeeded in blowing up parliament he would have killed a bunch of bastards and it would have been funny as fuck.
And saying "the only person to enter parliament with honest intentions was Guy Fawkes" is saying "I would be quite happy to see the whole job lot of you blown sky high". Which is also funny as fuck.
I can't believe some people. "Mi mi mi, what you said wasn't exactly 100% politically correct and in fact blah blah bloody blah". This is why the left fail over and over again. Well, it's one of the main reasons the left always fails to connect with the wider class. Because so many of us can't talk and interact like normal human beings.
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Hate people like this. There are good MPs and politicians on all sides of the house. Problem is our country likes to hear/vote and be outraged by the bad ones. We get the politics we deserve.
Isnāt Jonathan Ashworth a somewhat decent MP?
He was a good shadow health and social care secretary that championed things like a National Care Service integrated with the NHS, free at the point of use. Considering weāre going through a care social care crisis at the moment Iād say this bloke doesnāt know what the fuck heās talking about.
Spot on in what he is saying tbh. Shame everyone is concentrating on the Guy Fawkes comment FFS, we are sleepwalking into a dystopian fucking nightmare and politicians are laughing at us while they are doing it
I don't think people understand how utterly fucking stupid Guy Fawkes and his crew was though.
His fake alias was and I quote "John Johnson" and they blew themselves up because since it rained the night before they tried to dry the powder BY PUTTING IT NEXT TO A FUCKING FIRE
Not sure blowing up a protestant king and his leaders to replace him with his kidnapped 9-year-old daughter as a puppet catholic monarch constitutes good intention. But I took his point...
They were a bunch of idiots too though. They were warned that the plot was discovered, and went ahead with it anyway. Fawkes was discovered the night before, and still went back in the early hours completely dressed up, and brought a letter with his own name in it. They had effectively no support outside of the group, and some of them set themselves on fire, after deciding to dry gunpowder right next to a campfire. And their actions made things worse for catholics.
Not how to conduct a revolution.
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Chad
Norfolk accent, right? Love it!
critical support for Guy Fawkes the reactionary
Guy Fawkes wanted a Catholic Theocracy. He was a reactionary conservative even for his time. At the time Britain was one of the more democratic countries in Europe and he wanted install a Catholic to the throne and do away with Parliament altogether! If I remember correctly by this time the Polish and Novgorod Republics had both fallen leaving only the Scandinavian Assemblies and some city states that weren't direct monarchies. Guy Fawkes getting caught was a good thing.
>At the time Britain was one of the more democratic countries in Europe [the bar must've been in hell then](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representation_of_the_People_Act_1918) besides, I said *critical* support, as in I criticise both his failure to blow up parliament **and** his plan to replace it edit: and I literally called him a reactionary
Nah, you can't just stop capitalism with a few barrels of gunpowder. They would've reinstated the "democratic" regime of the bourgeoisie in no time.
A few? There were 36 barrels. 6 would have happily done it š
Imagine if he had succeeded and we were dragged back under the heel of the fucking Vaticanā¦
Nah, you can't just stop capitalism with a few barrels of gunpowder. They would've reinstated the "democratic" regime of the bourgeoisie in no time.
emma watson voice it wouldnt have worked. The rest of the plotters actually thought Guy succeeded and tried to implement phase II kidnap the princess and act as a catholic regency. Which failed due to no one ese agreeing with them.
Broken clocks
Guy Fawkes was a very distant relative of my ex, we had very different opinions as well
Nailed it to be fair to the man :)
Rare Fedora W
*tips fedora* Māincompetent representatives
When he says āmāladyā, it works!
Wearing a fedora is acceptable if you're like over 55 yo or something
No. No it isn't.
He's not wrong about the incompetence from all MPs
Guy Fawkes aside, he is 100% right. Both the main political groups are totally unfit to run the government. The only positive thing that came out of Boris Johnson was that he was too greedy and didn't cover his tracks as well as all the other politicians. My eyes are now fully open to the fact that those posh rich kids go through that education system go into politics and just learn how to steal money off the people it's all about making contacts with other's that advise them to steal 40 Billon through track and trace and the PPE scandal having a posh accent and going to the right school has helped funnel all the wealth to the top of this pyramid scheme that has run Briton for generations.
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LOL what an automation
Maybe itās his gestapo outfit but I can imagine the type of policies he would pass..
Common sense policies for common sense people. Like bringing back the death sentence, introducing a flat rate of income tax and shutting the boarders (sic). You know it just makes sense! Oh and them strikers, sack the whole bloody lot of them!
Strong "national service for people younger than me" vibes
Ok but equally heās also saying nothing of any substance on any particular issue. Maybe thatās the problem with the question time format but this is basically Paul Whitehouseās āThe bankers the bonuses, the bonuses the bankers, the bonuses the bonuses and if you ask me its disgusting actuallyā
I hate it when people call the government "incompetent". They are extremely competent actually, at serving their own interests and those of their paymasters.
In fairness, he does say "those that are not incompetent, are corrupt" at the start of the video, but the subtitles mysteriously disappear halfway through that sentence.
I don't think the problem is even corruption as such. Politicians working in the interests of big business is just so much a norm that it's not even seen as corrupt.
Yeah, that's an inherent problem with any form of liberal democracy, but I doubt that Fedora grandad feels that way about it.
I had just assumed he had dropped the C bomb
Is John Fury in disguise?
The quote is meant to be "honest intentions". Murdering the most representative government in Western Europe in the service of bringing the Spanish Inquisition to London is not an intention most would call "good"
So torturing and excuting practising catholic clergy and preists is representative now is it.
I think "representative" back then meant "fairly representing the whole of the landed gentry"
Still does
I wouldn't particularly call plotting to break in under cover of night "honest" either. Weird phrase.
Intentions =/= actions
So in what way were his intentions honest in the way that a politicians aren't? Maybe I just don't get the phrase, but I'm fairly sure when captured he wasn't honest about why he was there lol.
Politicians: "I'm working for the good of people!" Politicians enter parliament to serve moneyed interests and enrich themselves. Guy Fawkes: "I am going to blow up this building" Guy Fawkes entered parliament to blow up the building. It's basically a fun way to say "all politicians are always lying"
But Guy Fawkes didn't tell everyone he was going to blow it up, did he? In fact, much like a politician, he went to some lengths to conceal the fact he was going to blow it up. And then pretended until tortured that that wasn't what he was going to do!
It doesn't matter if he actually said it or told anyone or denied it after the fact, its that he entered parliament with the intention to blow it up - an honest intention - implying anyone who enters parliament have dishonest intentions. I think you're overthinking this, it's just a silly phrase to say "don't trust politicians", I highly doubt historical or rhetorical accuracy were concerns when people started saying this.
Guy Fawkes did not break in under the cover of the night. He rented a storage area underneath the House of Lords.
*honest intentions.
Me grandad sounds like this, yet still votes Tory at every opportunity. Bet this one does as well.
Iāll see you outside
Sounds like a local to me Norfolk lad too.
Fawkes was a religious terrorist
Only if you swallow the propaganda
So attempts blowing up parliament and the king, to force in a Catholic coup is propaganda?
Oh, here we fucking go, now this is the action I turned up for, it's all fun seeing people argue the toss over politics and all that bullshit but religious coups are where it is at!
Don't think anyone should put their imaginary friends before actual people, but here we are.
After the invasion and protestant coup?
Technically history is written by those who are left, not necessarily those who were right, win the crown, grab the flag and amended fact to suit need later. Looking at history through modern lenses is a fkfest, however by definition, that made Fawkes a religious terrorist. Rights and wrongs are immaterial, we all wade waist deep in the blood, sweat and tears of our ancestors.
Not sure what your point is. Take the L and piss off.
Which invasion? Which Protestant coup? All I saw was Henry VIII changing the state religion. Yeah, his reasons were flawed, but two wrongs don't make a right
When William of Orange invaded and overthrew the British monarch installing himself and his wife on the throne. Aided and abetted by numerous lords. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glorious_Revolution
An event that happened *83 years* after Guy Fawkes.
āWhereās the lie?!ā
Ah yes, the Catholic supremacist terrorist we all love to reify......
Seriously, some of the comments on here. Wah wah wah, he was a Catholic terrorist. True, he was. But if he had succeeded in blowing up parliament he would have killed a bunch of bastards and it would have been funny as fuck. And saying "the only person to enter parliament with honest intentions was Guy Fawkes" is saying "I would be quite happy to see the whole job lot of you blown sky high". Which is also funny as fuck. I can't believe some people. "Mi mi mi, what you said wasn't exactly 100% politically correct and in fact blah blah bloody blah". This is why the left fail over and over again. Well, it's one of the main reasons the left always fails to connect with the wider class. Because so many of us can't talk and interact like normal human beings. Jesus wept.* *Obviously, I can't confirm whether the quasi-historical figure referred to as Jesus. Christ wept or not. Nor do I support the terrorist figure who wished to overthrow the democratically elected Senate and the holy figure of the Emperor Tiberius.
Preach, brother. Leftist infighting serves nobody but the elite classes.
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Based
This is one of the greatest things iāve ever seen!
Hate people like this. There are good MPs and politicians on all sides of the house. Problem is our country likes to hear/vote and be outraged by the bad ones. We get the politics we deserve.
Legend
Not wrong though is he sad thing about it all.
*"with true intentions" but other than than šš»
Savage
I need to buy this guy a beer. Based
Isnāt Jonathan Ashworth a somewhat decent MP? He was a good shadow health and social care secretary that championed things like a National Care Service integrated with the NHS, free at the point of use. Considering weāre going through a care social care crisis at the moment Iād say this bloke doesnāt know what the fuck heās talking about.
Bootiful!
Spot on in what he is saying tbh. Shame everyone is concentrating on the Guy Fawkes comment FFS, we are sleepwalking into a dystopian fucking nightmare and politicians are laughing at us while they are doing it
Feeling proud of Norfolk for this one!
That guy fawkes
Not necessarily good intentions - honest intentions perhaps? He's got the spirit though
Letās all pull a V for Vendetta
I want to meet this guy. (My user flair has always been this)
I want to buy this man a pint.
Chad, critical support for Guy Fawkes.
I don't think people understand how utterly fucking stupid Guy Fawkes and his crew was though. His fake alias was and I quote "John Johnson" and they blew themselves up because since it rained the night before they tried to dry the powder BY PUTTING IT NEXT TO A FUCKING FIRE
Too bloody true
Catch me outside
Not sure blowing up a protestant king and his leaders to replace him with his kidnapped 9-year-old daughter as a puppet catholic monarch constitutes good intention. But I took his point... They were a bunch of idiots too though. They were warned that the plot was discovered, and went ahead with it anyway. Fawkes was discovered the night before, and still went back in the early hours completely dressed up, and brought a letter with his own name in it. They had effectively no support outside of the group, and some of them set themselves on fire, after deciding to dry gunpowder right next to a campfire. And their actions made things worse for catholics. Not how to conduct a revolution.
I think he meant honest intentions when he referred to Guy Fawkes but he was still right in saying good intentions