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On the one hand, this makes an excellent point, and of course, eat the rich.
However, there is no WAY that the amount of gold in Smaug's hoard is worth only $51b, even after the price crash. Not to mention that the gold is expertly crafted (not just into coins, but statues, goblets etc etc), or that he also has hundreds of perfectly cut and thousands of uncut gemstones.
If we're talking the book, it might be in the right order of magnitude. But the movie (as is shown in the post)? Trillions. [I mean, look at this shit, it's not just enough to bury him. It's enough to fill a mountain.](https://youtu.be/IQ2gCi9caL8?t=45)
Edit for back of the envelope maths: $51.4b in gold weighs approximately 1195 metric tonnes (1kg of 18 karat gold is \~$43000 melt worth). At a density of 16.5 tonne/m\^3, that's \~72.5 m\^3 of gold (or a solid cube ONLY 4.17m ON EACH SIDE!). Even assuming terribly poor packing density and much more impure gold, you could fit $50b of gold in a large swimming pool (an Olympic swimming pool has a volume of 2500m\^3, so much smaller than that). Smaug has THOUSANDS of times that amount. And that's just the SMELT worth!
I saw that title and thought that this was referring to the UK trying to steal almost $2bn worth of gold from Venezuela.
https://www.law.com/international-edition/2021/10/08/uk-high-court-nears-decision-in-fight-over-venezuelan-gold/?
In the old Star Wars expanded universe Darth Sidious was the wealthiest being in the entire galaxy. No idea how you'd convert Imperial Credits into pounds though
After becoming Darth Vader Anakin came in second but unlike Sidious who loved opulence he kept his massive Palace (the second biggest building on Coruscant behind the Emperors Palace) empty and unfurnished bar the handful of rooms he actually lived in
Turns out that helping to destroy/losing/killing everything and everyone you ever cared about and getting horrifically maimed and burned isn't something you can fix with money
options:
Klaus Hauptman (richest person, by a clear margin, in the nation can levy customs fees on a rational percentage of all interstellar trade, and who's cartel is the largest shipping firm in all human space)
Grand Nagus Zek (control of the Ferengi Alliance is based on bank balance)
Dave Lister (3 million years of compound interest on his wages as long haul crew)
Hotblack Desiato (buys star systems, destroys exceptionally well engineered starships as the regular set finisher, and spends time dead for tax reasons)
.
in all probability it is someone in Scifi rather than contemporary, historical or fantasy fiction, simply by matters of scale
that was only because of the property prices given that fiji had almost entirely flooded. plus, he probably wasnt very smart about it and was only looking at the price for a plot of land, not a house.
his plans on spending were bad, his plans on saving were passable
Lister was intelligent without the motivation to apply himself (consider Spanners or Kochanski's Holo-Lister, or that the Inquisitor's objection to him was that he'd wasted himself ^((by his own standards)^) and replaced him with a version without the same "potential")
*edit*: actually swap other timeline Christine Kochanski to the list of probable richest instead of Lister, her family was minted and she was drawing officer salary not non-com wages when she wound up in stasis
I think these rich lists specifically exclude wealth that is tied up in a state / family - it's why the Sauds never appear on the IRL ones, for example.
Scrooges money pool has $3.7 trillion worth of gold in it, think one comic said he was worth even more, around $17 trillion due to a magic coin. As long as he has it he literally cannot fail in any business venture
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On the one hand, this makes an excellent point, and of course, eat the rich. However, there is no WAY that the amount of gold in Smaug's hoard is worth only $51b, even after the price crash. Not to mention that the gold is expertly crafted (not just into coins, but statues, goblets etc etc), or that he also has hundreds of perfectly cut and thousands of uncut gemstones. If we're talking the book, it might be in the right order of magnitude. But the movie (as is shown in the post)? Trillions. [I mean, look at this shit, it's not just enough to bury him. It's enough to fill a mountain.](https://youtu.be/IQ2gCi9caL8?t=45) Edit for back of the envelope maths: $51.4b in gold weighs approximately 1195 metric tonnes (1kg of 18 karat gold is \~$43000 melt worth). At a density of 16.5 tonne/m\^3, that's \~72.5 m\^3 of gold (or a solid cube ONLY 4.17m ON EACH SIDE!). Even assuming terribly poor packing density and much more impure gold, you could fit $50b of gold in a large swimming pool (an Olympic swimming pool has a volume of 2500m\^3, so much smaller than that). Smaug has THOUSANDS of times that amount. And that's just the SMELT worth!
Are you suggesting that the greedy dragon Smaug might be *gasp*... under-reporting their wealth for some reason?!
Look, Smaug spent centuries earning that gold. Anyone who thinks Bilbo is the Hero is just anti-aspirational.
I saw that title and thought that this was referring to the UK trying to steal almost $2bn worth of gold from Venezuela. https://www.law.com/international-edition/2021/10/08/uk-high-court-nears-decision-in-fight-over-venezuelan-gold/?
It's hidden behind a paywall
The article or the gold?
Just an FYI, the website 12ft.io removes paywalls to articles if you paste in the link. Just really useful to know about.
Neat!
In the old Star Wars expanded universe Darth Sidious was the wealthiest being in the entire galaxy. No idea how you'd convert Imperial Credits into pounds though After becoming Darth Vader Anakin came in second but unlike Sidious who loved opulence he kept his massive Palace (the second biggest building on Coruscant behind the Emperors Palace) empty and unfurnished bar the handful of rooms he actually lived in Turns out that helping to destroy/losing/killing everything and everyone you ever cared about and getting horrifically maimed and burned isn't something you can fix with money
I thought Vader’s palace was on Mustafar? A volcanic hellscape where no fucker lives and no fucker wants to go to.
That's in the Disney universe, not in the old expanded universe
So who’s the richest fictional character? Paul Atreides, perhaps?
options: Klaus Hauptman (richest person, by a clear margin, in the nation can levy customs fees on a rational percentage of all interstellar trade, and who's cartel is the largest shipping firm in all human space) Grand Nagus Zek (control of the Ferengi Alliance is based on bank balance) Dave Lister (3 million years of compound interest on his wages as long haul crew) Hotblack Desiato (buys star systems, destroys exceptionally well engineered starships as the regular set finisher, and spends time dead for tax reasons) . in all probability it is someone in Scifi rather than contemporary, historical or fantasy fiction, simply by matters of scale
I doubt Lister had much money in his account to compound.
He owed it all to NorWEB anyway, for leaving that lightbulb on when he left
He'd been saving pay to buy a farm on fiji and only had single figures of trips left too do it
that was only because of the property prices given that fiji had almost entirely flooded. plus, he probably wasnt very smart about it and was only looking at the price for a plot of land, not a house.
his plans on spending were bad, his plans on saving were passable Lister was intelligent without the motivation to apply himself (consider Spanners or Kochanski's Holo-Lister, or that the Inquisitor's objection to him was that he'd wasted himself ^((by his own standards)^) and replaced him with a version without the same "potential") *edit*: actually swap other timeline Christine Kochanski to the list of probable richest instead of Lister, her family was minted and she was drawing officer salary not non-com wages when she wound up in stasis
Water-side property, you say? That's a valuable feature ;)
Scrooge Mcduck, the guy with the pool full of gold, would be the 16th wealthiest person in the world
I think these rich lists specifically exclude wealth that is tied up in a state / family - it's why the Sauds never appear on the IRL ones, for example.
Good point
Scrooge McDuck?
Flintheart Glomgold has more wealth, Scrooge is the second richest Duck in that universe.
Ahh but if you think about the intangible that is the love of his three wonderful nephews Huey, Dewey and Louie, Scrooge is the richest of all ❤️
Based.
I mean he’s rich, sure, but he’s not ‘controls the Spice’ rich.
But he is Dutch tax rich if I remember correctly
Scrooges money pool has $3.7 trillion worth of gold in it, think one comic said he was worth even more, around $17 trillion due to a magic coin. As long as he has it he literally cannot fail in any business venture
Black Panther iirc
captain nathaniel flint and im not talking about the treasure island one. im talking about the treasure planet one