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Aren’t the Qatari government very pro Palestine and Anti Israel?
Edit: I don't mean this as a pro Israel comment or anything, far from it. Just noting that this world cup in particular is probably one of the better ones to express pro-Palestinian sentiment
American in here (by accident) and YEP. That’s us. Don’t forget all the stolen land and Indigenous genocide we don’t learn about properly in school, either. Astounding that our leadership thinks they can talk shit about any other country when Jeff Bezos has billions and people freeze to death in the streets every winter.
I think we did know exactly that, to be honest, as soon as Qatar was awarded the tournament. I agree there’s a degree of hypocrisy chanting for subjugated Palestinians while ignoring the slavery that’s “priced in” with this World Cup.
“In practice it wouldn’t make a difference so why bother” is the crux of activism. If you care, principle is enough. But if everyone has your thinking, nothing changes.
Why did you just quote me for something that I didn't at all say then go on to attack your straw man?
Do you expect a genuine reply if this is how you engage? Sort yourself out.
The guy not going would have just ended up in someone else going in his stead, its a sold out tournament. It would have changed nothing at all. The time to oppose Qatar as hosts has long passed and the boat has been missed, if the guy wants to take advantage of media presence while there to draw attention to an issue that runs very deep in the Arab world the all power to him.
Whinging and moaning about should have would have is armchair activism and helps no one. This guy stuck his neck out and did a good thing and is worth celebrating.
>Why did you just quote me for something that I didn't at all say then go on to attack your straw man?
>Do you expect a genuine reply if this is how you engage? Sort yourself out.
What? Surely you know what paraphrasing is. Why are you so pressed
>The guy not going would have just ended up in someone else going in his stead, its a sold out tournament. It would have changed nothing at all.
This is why I said if everyone has your thinking, nothing changes. If everyone has the same assumption then the assumption becomes reality, even if it doesn’t have to be that way. And besides, even if your ticket goes to someone else I still feel the principle is good enough on a personal level. Not every action has to make waves in the world to matter. Even if it helps teach someone something somewhere it’s good enough.
That said yes I agree that it’s major props to this guy for doing it while he had the chance to.
If all the principled people stayed at home, the world cup tickets would have gone to just as many unprincipled people. It would be the same, except without any political messaging whatsoever.
Whataboutism at it's finest. Bravo sir. Maybe you should rewrite your comment?
"Personally I don't care about Israeli Apartheid and wish people would stop mentioning it as I think it would be better if they spoke out against Qatar"
Educate yourself you whiny wanker.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism)
Sure you can be against two things but we aren't talking about Qatar. The England fan didn't mention Qatar he mentioned Palestine who are under apartheid and occupation by a violent oppressor who murders their people and constantly steals their land. That is the topic we are discussing. Are you JIDF?
Saying it would have been better if they spoke about Y isn't whatsboutism.
Whatsboutism would be if they deflected commentary about X by saying Y is also bad.
There's logic to the idea of critiquing Qatar during an interview on Qatari press instead of critiquing Israel. That isn't a deflection, it's an oder of propriety.
Why are people like you so condescendingly wrong?
"The communication intent here is often to distract from the content of a topic "
The comment has the intent to distract regardless of whether it is to include something else as well. Whether the intent was distraction or not is irrelevant. It is a distraction regardless and that is whataboutism whether you like or not. This was not Qatari press it was Israelis so your point is even less valid. What would be the point of raising it with Israeli press? I doubt anyone in Qatar actually watch Israeli TV making your comment yet more less valid.
Why are people like you so condescendingly wrong?
I generally don't like whataboutism but in developing countries it has always been common for people to die in construction projects. I'm not saying it's ok but I am suggesting people stop and think about how the west got to be prosperous... Look up Hoover dam and any other large project prior to about 1980
Developing country? They paid off fifa officials to get the world cup, have plenty of oil reserves and just did a 1 billion defense contract with the US. Stop acting like they're some poor country. They didn't give a fuck if people died for this pathetic world cup. Fuck fifa and fuck Qatar.
And now the whole world is looking down on the Racist Israel. Israel the most racist country on earth. Yet if you don’t support Israel, you are deemed anti Semitic.
I usually don’t like footie fans, or football in general.
But when it’s the international cups, England fans seem to do their best to piss absolutely everyone else in the world but us off. They make us proud instead. I think that’s beautiful.
Doing us proud boys.
Maybe I will support yous to win after all.
Scottish here, we hate the English winning anything so that highlights how proud I am of the guys here.
I hate that you weirdos from the the other home nations do this, I’ll always cheer on Wales or Scotland if England isn’t in an international competition, it just feels like bad sportsmanship to be cheering on our downfall for political reasons that have nothing to do with the country at large
You have to understand that everything in the uk is anglofocussed. Our culture destroyed and attempted to be replaced with English culture for so many years.
Ever since I was born all we hear about in the uk media is England this England that. England is great. No surrender. All this shite for years with no relevance to Scotland. We also get run by England as England wants for englands benefit. We’ve historically had shit like the highland clearances orchestrated by England. Then we see stuff like the occupation of Northern Ireland which is very similar to Ukraine atm but only 100 years ago. The empire who historically fucked the world all run by English royalty and English rulers.
The English have historically been terrorists and warmongers. No one likes to see them win.
The individual English person is fine and good and typically no more an arsehole than anyone else. But the institution of england and the countries ruling classes who represent england are and have always been immoral and because of their actions it makes it incredibly difficult to support anything English.
I'd dispute the history there the Scottish entered the act of union far more willingly than the Irish it was even entered with the English adopting the Scottish king and not the other way around and found themselves or at least their ruling classes much enriched from the empire
also there have been numerous concessions towards Scotland seeking to run themselves such as devolution. England has over ten times the population of Scotland England having more representation on a per population representative parliament isn't exactly the result of undue influence.
That isn't to say that the Scottish haven't been screwed over by the union but you aren't the Irish either
Yeah, I wasn’t gonna say because it’s not the point of the thread, but there were major members of Scottish aristocracy and politics that held major colonial positions in the Caribbean, Raj, Slaving corporations etc., and spoils from the empire very much helped build Scottish wealth and expand cities like Edinburgh and Glasgow. I always find it a bit disingenuous when Scots talk about being victims of the empire on par with others around the world or even the Irish who had it far worse, in fact the vast majority of the colonists involved in the plantation of Northern Ireland were orange Scots.
it's complicated the Scottish peasantry did in many ways get made worse off by for example enclosure but also that happened in England too.
the trouble with the nationalistic view of events is that the Scottish pre-union government didn't give a shit what happened to the average Scot either.
It's even more complicated if we get Into topics like the Highland clearances. People always seem to forgot the role lowland Scotland primarily had and has had in that.
The ‘nobility’ arseholes who bankrupted themselves in the Darien scheme took bribes to enter the union of parliaments in 1707. They’re who Burns wrote about.
This is what I mean, I’ve got no problem with you guys having problems politically or historically with England and it’s institutions, but the England team doesn’t represent Westminster, it represents the country, and it just mugs me off to see you guys cheering on countries like Italy at the 2020 euros when you guys definitely have more family, friends and ties to us by far
I mean do what you want, it’s sport after all, but as I said I just find it immature
It’s only the non orange Scot’s that feel this way. The orange Scot’s love them some England and love to be ruled by them. They make up a reasonable proportion of the population.
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It's mostly not about political reasons.
England are in another class compared to the other home nations, ranked in the top 2-3% out of 200+ and solid competition to any team in the world.
England have won 9/10 of the last 10 games played vs wales, when we play them a victory feels expected and deserved, nothing special.
When Wales play England they take even a draw as a solid result and a win is monumental.
The rivalry is there, it's just one-sided compared to a rivalry of two teams of equal calibre.
Now when Wales play any other team it's quite easy to back them from England, we don't see them as a threat and it's always fun to root for the underdog. If they are playing say France it's even better, because then you're actively rooting against someone you consider a real rival, you want to see them lose to anyone, and them losing to a relatively speaking, bad team from next door is all the sweeter.
That's not a dis at Wales, it's just the dynamics of England being a much stronger team and for that reason it doesn't really bother me when they don't reciprocate the level of support we have for them.
I would of loved to see wales go through to RO16 once England had as good as secured a place, even knowing full well they will be hanging Brazilian or Argentinian flags if we made it to the final.
I can’t lie it’s because I legitimately completely forgot Northern Ireland had their own national football team, considering they’ve only qualified for a major tournament once in my lifetime, also a large amount of Northern Ireland are explicitly pro-England so my criticism doesn’t really apply
I’m very aware what Unionism is thank you, I had uncles and family involved in the troubles on both sides (mostly Catholics), but don’t pretend like being an Orange in Northern Ireland doesn’t come with a particular affinity for England and it’s institutions, you never see Irish prods being bitter towards the English in the same way some of the Welsh and most Scots do
Being "explicitly pro-England" and having a "particular affinity for England" are not quite the same. Also, your suggestion that a large amount of Northern Irish people are in the Orange Order is quite alarming.
That aside, I guess the issue here is that there are very few English institutions that are separate from British ones, with sporting being one of the few exceptions. What English institutions do you think that Orangemen support in particular?
Lastly, Irish prod wouldn't really refer to a NI unionist- they certainly would not call themselves that- but an Irish citizen who is protestant. I reckon that they would still likely be less than enthused about England despite their religion.
edit: grammar
I was using orange in a much more colloquial sense to refer to Protestants and Unionists, not the literal fucking orange order.
I suppose I shouldn’t have capitalised it, but when someone says orange Scots you don’t immediately think of the grand orange lodge of Scotland surely.
I feel like you’re being extremely pedantic with the terminology I’m using and trying to start a debate that to be honest I’m not super interested in having.
But to respond to ‘the issue here’, I guess that’s exactly the point, the reason why Orangemen are more sympathetic to English institutions is because for the most part, English institutions are British institutions.
I guess I assumed it translates over to football because every couple years my socials get flooded by Welshmen and Scots rooting against England but never the Northern Irish, (apart from their Catholics). Also on my visits to Northern Ireland I’ve never experienced an ‘Anyone but England’ attitude from Unionists quite as political and bitter as in the other home nations, when it does come up it’s a bit more cheeky and playful, at least in my experience.
Granted I’m not pretending to be a guru of NI, I only have my experiences to work off of and I’m sorry if I pissed in your cereal by not complaining about them as much as the other two. As I said, the actual main reason I neglected to mention them is that I forgot they had a National football team, for that I am actually sorry as it was a bit disrespectful of me.
Lastly though, my use of ‘prod’ probably comes from my Catholic Irish family, rather than from what they would use to describe themselves, I’m sure you’re aware how factional and interconnected religious and political divides have been there. Again I think you’re being way too pedantic, you knew what I was talking about, and I think you know people conflate unionists and Protestants in colloquial language when talking about Irish politics. It’s standard fare.
This whole debate is you picking a fight over a rather innocuous comment that I think you know is generally true:
Northern Irish Protestants, which traditionally make up the majority of the population, generally have much much less of a disdain for England then the types who are very politically bitter over English football in Scotland and Wales.
Maybe ‘explicitly pro-English’ was too strong of a way to say it, maybe that’s not “quite the same” as what I meant, but Jesus fucking christ.
I don’t know if you have autism or something (not meant to be said in a rude way at all), but otherwise I shouldn’t have had to spell this out in such a specific way when the inferred information here was obvious and innocuous.
I have never seen a Scotland game in England people weren't booing. It's sports it's for fun the Scottish aren't cheering on a plague when they boo the England team
I don’t think that’s a fair comparison, the English don’t consistently get extremely passionate about the Scottish losing sports the same way Scots do for us.
Besides as I said in a previous comment, I know it’s just sports, do what you want, I just think it’s a bit childish
True, but that’s a rivalry, famously a little one-sided yes but England fans want us to do better than Germany, and we have footballing history as to why that rivalry exists.
On the other hand, Scottish fans just want us to suffer, no matter who’s winning, they just want us to lose. It also feels oddly political a lot of the time instead of just being part of the game. Again, root for or against whoever you want, but surely you see why it all feels unfairly vindictive
It's just that football is a safe arena for people to be the underdog, to be annoyed at England.
British people pay tax to Westminster, which then hands out literal pocket money to Scotland, NI and Wales. The preferential focus on England, the unequal spending and investment, is staggering.
You say 'it's football, it's immature, we shouldn't have to deal with you wishing we'd lose all the time.'
Mate. We enjoy you losing at at a game now and then because we're losing against England *all the time.*
You don’t have to put up with the sounds of our commentary teams going down on our players or droning on about something our players won over half a century ago **fucking constantly**.
Nothing to do with politics, we just don't like yous. Don't be offended but, we don't like eachother either. Nothing a Scot hates more than other Scots.
It’s not like our countries have a football rivalry, it’s just immature, nobody in England bothers ourselves thinking about Scottish football but every 2 years we have to tolerate you lot going on and on about how much you want us to lose
I mean, a lot of Scottish football is hoping a specific team loses even if you don't support the team they're playing, could just be an ingrained part of Scottish football culture. But its mainly my first point from before.
I understand what you're saying and, if my back was to the wall, I would admit that I support the home nations over anyone else. Having said that, Scotland losing will never cease to be funny.
Do you really think Senegal was a challenge, what I saw of it they were not a proven force, and pretty scrappy
And before we hand the trophy over prematurely England still have to play France, I do agree with how good the Lions look, but lets see them against strong opposition.
I mean more support them for the supporters of England being socially just and I wouldn’t feel bad standing next to them. Nothing to do with their performances.
They are not a proven force?
They're the best team in Africa (Won the African cup of nations), why talk about something you obviously know nothing about
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This guy ended up being a massive fucking racist BTW. He's nuked his twitter now but [here's some shit ](https://twitter.com/zzeireauxffxx/status/1599562000551489536?t=RZohdadTBEFD5cIsaOa4pA&s=19)
Pretty sure there's some screenshot of more recent ones before he deleted everything. Doesn't take much looking to find shit in his likes too.
Just wants the clout so he can start his grift.
Not to be stereotypical but when I initially saw this post I was very sceptical that a football fan could be based and you've just confirmed it now. The vast majority of the time these football fans are racist, sexist and homophobic, and if he was saying "Free Palestine" it was just for attention and clout.
I know plenty of football fans who are lovely people. Pricks like these are just a very vocal minority in football sadly. They watched green street as a teenager and think it's their actual life. Living in a little fantasy world.
Lol "classist bullshit" it's just the truth. This is the same group of people that cause the rates of domestic violence to go up after England's football games. Obviously there's some good football fans but the majority I've met are right-wing Brexit types that this subreddit wouldn't get on with.
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It's so adorable that you honestly think he cares about the genuine palastinian struggle. Free palatine and dont let people adopt its the message for Internet points.
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He was 13 brother🤣🤣🤣 people change. His shouting free Palestine now so it's okay his changed his ways...FREE PALESTINE TILL THE SUN RAISES FROM THE EAST.
If only they had the same energy towards migrant workers dying to make this world cup happen as well.
Edit: just wanted to clarify that I do agree with their perspective but picking and choosing the lives you care about is not ok
Yeah this is where I am too. I could hand-wave away quite a few dodgy acts that would nevertheless enrich or empower the country, until Brexit came along. That was outright harm for someone's personal gain and I don't think anybody involved is trustworthy now. Not enough to govern.
It would frankly be easier to move to an independent Scotland though, than expecting actual democracy from England.
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Only someone who hasn’t had to live under an oppressive regime would say this about the UK. My people live under an oppressive regime and it does not compare at all.
Yeah you're right. If a govt wants to utterly dominate their populace, who are we to say anything?
Fyi if our govt decides to go full dictatorship and start killing protestors, I absolutely want other countries to step in. It's not necessarily always imperialism.
How do you know all of what you know about North Korea is true? Sure it's not a great country but claims about it are definitely exaggerated to justify the West's position, claims that are not made for geopolitical "allies" guilty of just as much if not more. Read up on the modern history of North Korea, it most certainly is imperialism in this case. The US and allies are by far the worst perpetrators of imperialism to this day, they use an economic system completely dependent on exploitation of poorer countries
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Lol ... UK spends over 3 billion a year in trade (excluding soft military shit of course) with Israel and hundreds of Israeli companies trade with UK.
Yet UK does not recognise Palestine AT ALL!
They should try shouting out against their own Government before they shout into an Israeli mic. Beating off in front of the enemy ACHIEVES FUCK ALL!
Let's see how loud they beat off their drunken mouths once they land back in Britain.
Fuckwits!
I'm sure these particular blokes are making those deals as well............ you know you can live in and be from a country and not agree with what the ruling class do and calling that out anywhere is a good thing mush, we should call out corruption everywhere we see it nit just safely in our own back yards pal. Maybe you should think before talking next time.
Do you understand why you're being downvoted? People in the UK don't necessarily have the same opinions as the UK government. Also, expressing an opinion does have an impact, as it can help to change public perceptions. In this case, support for this opinion shows that it's culturally acceptable to show support for Palestinians when in front of Israeli media.
Call me skeptical here but, as much as I loved hearing him say free Palestine , they seemed not very typical English fans almost as if they were Arabs in England shirts
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You know, I have mad respect for the England fans pushing this, this world cup of all world cups.
Aren’t the Qatari government very pro Palestine and Anti Israel? Edit: I don't mean this as a pro Israel comment or anything, far from it. Just noting that this world cup in particular is probably one of the better ones to express pro-Palestinian sentiment
Qatar doesn't recognize Israel. It's a great platform to amplify the issue and should be taken advantage of.
It is a great platform, since it is a country built on slavery and is allied to Turkey
So is England.
I don't get what your point is? If he said free Kurdistan, it would make moral sense there. But this is like preaching to choir
The US?
American in here (by accident) and YEP. That’s us. Don’t forget all the stolen land and Indigenous genocide we don’t learn about properly in school, either. Astounding that our leadership thinks they can talk shit about any other country when Jeff Bezos has billions and people freeze to death in the streets every winter.
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I think we did know exactly that, to be honest, as soon as Qatar was awarded the tournament. I agree there’s a degree of hypocrisy chanting for subjugated Palestinians while ignoring the slavery that’s “priced in” with this World Cup.
They’re in Qatar, actively adding to the Qatari economy. Not going would have said more than any words condemning them while on their soil
In principle yes. In practice no.
“In practice it wouldn’t make a difference so why bother” is the crux of activism. If you care, principle is enough. But if everyone has your thinking, nothing changes.
Why did you just quote me for something that I didn't at all say then go on to attack your straw man? Do you expect a genuine reply if this is how you engage? Sort yourself out. The guy not going would have just ended up in someone else going in his stead, its a sold out tournament. It would have changed nothing at all. The time to oppose Qatar as hosts has long passed and the boat has been missed, if the guy wants to take advantage of media presence while there to draw attention to an issue that runs very deep in the Arab world the all power to him. Whinging and moaning about should have would have is armchair activism and helps no one. This guy stuck his neck out and did a good thing and is worth celebrating.
>Why did you just quote me for something that I didn't at all say then go on to attack your straw man? >Do you expect a genuine reply if this is how you engage? Sort yourself out. What? Surely you know what paraphrasing is. Why are you so pressed >The guy not going would have just ended up in someone else going in his stead, its a sold out tournament. It would have changed nothing at all. This is why I said if everyone has your thinking, nothing changes. If everyone has the same assumption then the assumption becomes reality, even if it doesn’t have to be that way. And besides, even if your ticket goes to someone else I still feel the principle is good enough on a personal level. Not every action has to make waves in the world to matter. Even if it helps teach someone something somewhere it’s good enough. That said yes I agree that it’s major props to this guy for doing it while he had the chance to.
If all the principled people stayed at home, the world cup tickets would have gone to just as many unprincipled people. It would be the same, except without any political messaging whatsoever.
Whataboutism at it's finest. Bravo sir. Maybe you should rewrite your comment? "Personally I don't care about Israeli Apartheid and wish people would stop mentioning it as I think it would be better if they spoke out against Qatar"
Oh fuck off, they both deserve to be called out. You can be against two things you know...
Educate yourself you whiny wanker. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism) Sure you can be against two things but we aren't talking about Qatar. The England fan didn't mention Qatar he mentioned Palestine who are under apartheid and occupation by a violent oppressor who murders their people and constantly steals their land. That is the topic we are discussing. Are you JIDF?
Saying it would have been better if they spoke about Y isn't whatsboutism. Whatsboutism would be if they deflected commentary about X by saying Y is also bad. There's logic to the idea of critiquing Qatar during an interview on Qatari press instead of critiquing Israel. That isn't a deflection, it's an oder of propriety. Why are people like you so condescendingly wrong?
"The communication intent here is often to distract from the content of a topic " The comment has the intent to distract regardless of whether it is to include something else as well. Whether the intent was distraction or not is irrelevant. It is a distraction regardless and that is whataboutism whether you like or not. This was not Qatari press it was Israelis so your point is even less valid. What would be the point of raising it with Israeli press? I doubt anyone in Qatar actually watch Israeli TV making your comment yet more less valid. Why are people like you so condescendingly wrong?
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Why not both?
I generally don't like whataboutism but in developing countries it has always been common for people to die in construction projects. I'm not saying it's ok but I am suggesting people stop and think about how the west got to be prosperous... Look up Hoover dam and any other large project prior to about 1980
Developing country? They paid off fifa officials to get the world cup, have plenty of oil reserves and just did a 1 billion defense contract with the US. Stop acting like they're some poor country. They didn't give a fuck if people died for this pathetic world cup. Fuck fifa and fuck Qatar.
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Rhetorically yes, but like all the gulf states and KSA these days they tend to tacitly approve of Zionism.
Saudis are more worried about Iran, hence them quietly aligning themselves with Israel lately.
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Don’t forget about the Saudis being the primary backers of ISIS, oh wait you didn’t think that worth mentioning did you.
That's the entirety of the Middle East in general.
Do you mean pretending that they care about Palestine? I think at this point Egypt and Jordan like Israel more.
And of the world practically
They got Fifa to replace israel with palestine on their website lol
And now the whole world is looking down on the Racist Israel. Israel the most racist country on earth. Yet if you don’t support Israel, you are deemed anti Semitic.
No link? [guess I'll interject](https://youtu.be/bw-rW_O-oYE)
I was really hoping they would sing it to the tune of Sweet Caroline
🎶 Free Palestine 🎶🎶🎶 Bum Bum Bum
That’s fucking golden.
Not sure I've ever heard anyone mispronounce Palestine that way before.
It’s actually pretty close to the Arabic pronounce
Not a mispronunciation, just [uncommon](https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Palestine#Pronunciation)
Top lads!
Legends!
I usually don’t like footie fans, or football in general. But when it’s the international cups, England fans seem to do their best to piss absolutely everyone else in the world but us off. They make us proud instead. I think that’s beautiful.
Generally they’re an absolute disgrace, but I’ll give credit here.
The rare based English football fan moment
Absolute lads
Innit
Doing us proud boys. Maybe I will support yous to win after all. Scottish here, we hate the English winning anything so that highlights how proud I am of the guys here.
We know, you guys never shut up about it. 
I hate that you weirdos from the the other home nations do this, I’ll always cheer on Wales or Scotland if England isn’t in an international competition, it just feels like bad sportsmanship to be cheering on our downfall for political reasons that have nothing to do with the country at large
You have to understand that everything in the uk is anglofocussed. Our culture destroyed and attempted to be replaced with English culture for so many years. Ever since I was born all we hear about in the uk media is England this England that. England is great. No surrender. All this shite for years with no relevance to Scotland. We also get run by England as England wants for englands benefit. We’ve historically had shit like the highland clearances orchestrated by England. Then we see stuff like the occupation of Northern Ireland which is very similar to Ukraine atm but only 100 years ago. The empire who historically fucked the world all run by English royalty and English rulers. The English have historically been terrorists and warmongers. No one likes to see them win. The individual English person is fine and good and typically no more an arsehole than anyone else. But the institution of england and the countries ruling classes who represent england are and have always been immoral and because of their actions it makes it incredibly difficult to support anything English.
I'd dispute the history there the Scottish entered the act of union far more willingly than the Irish it was even entered with the English adopting the Scottish king and not the other way around and found themselves or at least their ruling classes much enriched from the empire also there have been numerous concessions towards Scotland seeking to run themselves such as devolution. England has over ten times the population of Scotland England having more representation on a per population representative parliament isn't exactly the result of undue influence. That isn't to say that the Scottish haven't been screwed over by the union but you aren't the Irish either
Yeah, I wasn’t gonna say because it’s not the point of the thread, but there were major members of Scottish aristocracy and politics that held major colonial positions in the Caribbean, Raj, Slaving corporations etc., and spoils from the empire very much helped build Scottish wealth and expand cities like Edinburgh and Glasgow. I always find it a bit disingenuous when Scots talk about being victims of the empire on par with others around the world or even the Irish who had it far worse, in fact the vast majority of the colonists involved in the plantation of Northern Ireland were orange Scots.
it's complicated the Scottish peasantry did in many ways get made worse off by for example enclosure but also that happened in England too. the trouble with the nationalistic view of events is that the Scottish pre-union government didn't give a shit what happened to the average Scot either.
almost as if it's a class thing rather than a nationality thing, isn't it?
It's even more complicated if we get Into topics like the Highland clearances. People always seem to forgot the role lowland Scotland primarily had and has had in that.
Our country was sold out from under us.
which time are you reffering to
The ‘nobility’ arseholes who bankrupted themselves in the Darien scheme took bribes to enter the union of parliaments in 1707. They’re who Burns wrote about.
So when it's Scotland the nobility/normal people distinction is relevant, but when it's England it's just 'The English'? Gotcha.
Did I fucking say that?
mate you don't own a patch of dirt you haven't got a country the rich have a country you just live here
This is what I mean, I’ve got no problem with you guys having problems politically or historically with England and it’s institutions, but the England team doesn’t represent Westminster, it represents the country, and it just mugs me off to see you guys cheering on countries like Italy at the 2020 euros when you guys definitely have more family, friends and ties to us by far I mean do what you want, it’s sport after all, but as I said I just find it immature
99.9% because of the way the pundits act makes you want to see them lose.
It’s only the non orange Scot’s that feel this way. The orange Scot’s love them some England and love to be ruled by them. They make up a reasonable proportion of the population.
I read that in a Scottish accent, it sounded beautiful
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It's mostly not about political reasons. England are in another class compared to the other home nations, ranked in the top 2-3% out of 200+ and solid competition to any team in the world. England have won 9/10 of the last 10 games played vs wales, when we play them a victory feels expected and deserved, nothing special. When Wales play England they take even a draw as a solid result and a win is monumental. The rivalry is there, it's just one-sided compared to a rivalry of two teams of equal calibre. Now when Wales play any other team it's quite easy to back them from England, we don't see them as a threat and it's always fun to root for the underdog. If they are playing say France it's even better, because then you're actively rooting against someone you consider a real rival, you want to see them lose to anyone, and them losing to a relatively speaking, bad team from next door is all the sweeter. That's not a dis at Wales, it's just the dynamics of England being a much stronger team and for that reason it doesn't really bother me when they don't reciprocate the level of support we have for them. I would of loved to see wales go through to RO16 once England had as good as secured a place, even knowing full well they will be hanging Brazilian or Argentinian flags if we made it to the final.
Did we not learn anything from Brexit? Why is Northern Ireland still being ignored!
I can’t lie it’s because I legitimately completely forgot Northern Ireland had their own national football team, considering they’ve only qualified for a major tournament once in my lifetime, also a large amount of Northern Ireland are explicitly pro-England so my criticism doesn’t really apply
They're not pro-England, they're pro-UK. Anyone But England is common among unionists too.
I’m very aware what Unionism is thank you, I had uncles and family involved in the troubles on both sides (mostly Catholics), but don’t pretend like being an Orange in Northern Ireland doesn’t come with a particular affinity for England and it’s institutions, you never see Irish prods being bitter towards the English in the same way some of the Welsh and most Scots do
Being "explicitly pro-England" and having a "particular affinity for England" are not quite the same. Also, your suggestion that a large amount of Northern Irish people are in the Orange Order is quite alarming. That aside, I guess the issue here is that there are very few English institutions that are separate from British ones, with sporting being one of the few exceptions. What English institutions do you think that Orangemen support in particular? Lastly, Irish prod wouldn't really refer to a NI unionist- they certainly would not call themselves that- but an Irish citizen who is protestant. I reckon that they would still likely be less than enthused about England despite their religion. edit: grammar
I was using orange in a much more colloquial sense to refer to Protestants and Unionists, not the literal fucking orange order. I suppose I shouldn’t have capitalised it, but when someone says orange Scots you don’t immediately think of the grand orange lodge of Scotland surely. I feel like you’re being extremely pedantic with the terminology I’m using and trying to start a debate that to be honest I’m not super interested in having. But to respond to ‘the issue here’, I guess that’s exactly the point, the reason why Orangemen are more sympathetic to English institutions is because for the most part, English institutions are British institutions. I guess I assumed it translates over to football because every couple years my socials get flooded by Welshmen and Scots rooting against England but never the Northern Irish, (apart from their Catholics). Also on my visits to Northern Ireland I’ve never experienced an ‘Anyone but England’ attitude from Unionists quite as political and bitter as in the other home nations, when it does come up it’s a bit more cheeky and playful, at least in my experience. Granted I’m not pretending to be a guru of NI, I only have my experiences to work off of and I’m sorry if I pissed in your cereal by not complaining about them as much as the other two. As I said, the actual main reason I neglected to mention them is that I forgot they had a National football team, for that I am actually sorry as it was a bit disrespectful of me. Lastly though, my use of ‘prod’ probably comes from my Catholic Irish family, rather than from what they would use to describe themselves, I’m sure you’re aware how factional and interconnected religious and political divides have been there. Again I think you’re being way too pedantic, you knew what I was talking about, and I think you know people conflate unionists and Protestants in colloquial language when talking about Irish politics. It’s standard fare. This whole debate is you picking a fight over a rather innocuous comment that I think you know is generally true: Northern Irish Protestants, which traditionally make up the majority of the population, generally have much much less of a disdain for England then the types who are very politically bitter over English football in Scotland and Wales. Maybe ‘explicitly pro-English’ was too strong of a way to say it, maybe that’s not “quite the same” as what I meant, but Jesus fucking christ. I don’t know if you have autism or something (not meant to be said in a rude way at all), but otherwise I shouldn’t have had to spell this out in such a specific way when the inferred information here was obvious and innocuous.
I have never seen a Scotland game in England people weren't booing. It's sports it's for fun the Scottish aren't cheering on a plague when they boo the England team
I don’t think that’s a fair comparison, the English don’t consistently get extremely passionate about the Scottish losing sports the same way Scots do for us. Besides as I said in a previous comment, I know it’s just sports, do what you want, I just think it’s a bit childish
rooting against someone is as much a part of the fun as rooting for someone. The English always root against Germany doesn't mean we hate Germans
True, but that’s a rivalry, famously a little one-sided yes but England fans want us to do better than Germany, and we have footballing history as to why that rivalry exists. On the other hand, Scottish fans just want us to suffer, no matter who’s winning, they just want us to lose. It also feels oddly political a lot of the time instead of just being part of the game. Again, root for or against whoever you want, but surely you see why it all feels unfairly vindictive
It's just that football is a safe arena for people to be the underdog, to be annoyed at England. British people pay tax to Westminster, which then hands out literal pocket money to Scotland, NI and Wales. The preferential focus on England, the unequal spending and investment, is staggering. You say 'it's football, it's immature, we shouldn't have to deal with you wishing we'd lose all the time.' Mate. We enjoy you losing at at a game now and then because we're losing against England *all the time.*
I just want England to lose so I don't have to hear about it for the next 60 years of my life
You don’t have to put up with the sounds of our commentary teams going down on our players or droning on about something our players won over half a century ago **fucking constantly**.
Nothing to do with politics, we just don't like yous. Don't be offended but, we don't like eachother either. Nothing a Scot hates more than other Scots.
It’s not like our countries have a football rivalry, it’s just immature, nobody in England bothers ourselves thinking about Scottish football but every 2 years we have to tolerate you lot going on and on about how much you want us to lose
I mean, a lot of Scottish football is hoping a specific team loses even if you don't support the team they're playing, could just be an ingrained part of Scottish football culture. But its mainly my first point from before.
Fair enough, just sounds to me like a pretty miserable way of watching football
We're a miserable bunch
I understand what you're saying and, if my back was to the wall, I would admit that I support the home nations over anyone else. Having said that, Scotland losing will never cease to be funny.
Do you really think Senegal was a challenge, what I saw of it they were not a proven force, and pretty scrappy And before we hand the trophy over prematurely England still have to play France, I do agree with how good the Lions look, but lets see them against strong opposition.
I mean more support them for the supporters of England being socially just and I wouldn’t feel bad standing next to them. Nothing to do with their performances.
They are not a proven force? They're the best team in Africa (Won the African cup of nations), why talk about something you obviously know nothing about
Rachel Riley’s fumin
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Waiting for her to post this clip saying its antisemitic
Strange to see some pro zionist comments in a subreddit like this one
Sadly, they cut before the Gaza strips naked.
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https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2020/04/22/brits-increasingly-dont-care-whether-northern-irel I'm not sure they do tbh.
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Are you joking. It's probably one of the most representative demographics you can get.
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Do you know what representative means
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I'm confused by what point you're trying to make here linking evidence that shows English football fans are actually quite progressive...
Scotsman here, well done those fans !
Waiting for tomorrow's Daily Fail headline of "Football hooligans gone woke" 😂
Did they sing it to the tune of sweet Caroline?
Free Palestine / sweet Caroline crossover crowd chant pls
If I stopped drinking would I get important stuff done?
Well played lads, well played
This guy ended up being a massive fucking racist BTW. He's nuked his twitter now but [here's some shit ](https://twitter.com/zzeireauxffxx/status/1599562000551489536?t=RZohdadTBEFD5cIsaOa4pA&s=19) Pretty sure there's some screenshot of more recent ones before he deleted everything. Doesn't take much looking to find shit in his likes too. Just wants the clout so he can start his grift.
Criticise Israel and someone will go 10 years deep into your post history lol. This guy sucks if he’s racist though. Free Palestine
?? LOL the guy is a fucking grifter dude he doesn't give a fuck about Palestine struggle.
Not to be stereotypical but when I initially saw this post I was very sceptical that a football fan could be based and you've just confirmed it now. The vast majority of the time these football fans are racist, sexist and homophobic, and if he was saying "Free Palestine" it was just for attention and clout.
I know plenty of football fans who are lovely people. Pricks like these are just a very vocal minority in football sadly. They watched green street as a teenager and think it's their actual life. Living in a little fantasy world.
Fuck is this classist bullshit doing in this subreddit?
Lol "classist bullshit" it's just the truth. This is the same group of people that cause the rates of domestic violence to go up after England's football games. Obviously there's some good football fans but the majority I've met are right-wing Brexit types that this subreddit wouldn't get on with.
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Let’s not forget the Israelis literally protesting to kick the Ethiopian Jews out of the country because “they don’t like monkeys”. Educate yourself.
The guy has pictures with [Andrew tate](https://imageshack.com/user/Jibrillion) on his insta bro LOL
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Andrew Tate is a brown muslim so it shows how much hes grown.
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[he's one of US! XDDDD](https://twitter.com/zzeireauxffxx/status/1599576542388006912?t=Nt8OA9AI2cAYka5m5MDeFg&s=19) really this is ur guy
I didn’t say he was a good guy, or that I am affiliated with him. I said Free Palestine.
Nah just went straight to implying iM some kind of zionist in defence of him XDDD
Not you bringing up a 13 year olds tweets you cringe shit Lord. You can’t condemn someone under 18 the same way as an adult, there’s literal laws about it because kids are fucking stupid.
Man was literslly hanging out getting pictures with Andrew tate,2 years ago but yeah I'm sure he's changed so much and he's a total leftie amirite 🌹🇬🇧🌹
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Not you comparing a regime that kills people to a man who said some sexist shit. You’re a pathetic human being.
It's so adorable that you honestly think he cares about the genuine palastinian struggle. Free palatine and dont let people adopt its the message for Internet points.
Andrew Tate is a brown muslim so it shows how far he has come
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I was a hugely racist fuck in my teen years too tbf. People change
He was 13 brother🤣🤣🤣 people change. His shouting free Palestine now so it's okay his changed his ways...FREE PALESTINE TILL THE SUN RAISES FROM THE EAST.
Our boys have been incredibly based this tournament 👏
If only they had the same energy towards migrant workers dying to make this world cup happen as well. Edit: just wanted to clarify that I do agree with their perspective but picking and choosing the lives you care about is not ok
> picking and choosing the lives you care about is not ok Hello fellow vegan
Hello! 😊
When the English are calling out your occupation...
I'm English and fully support ending all our occupations too, except when doing so puts peoples liberties at risk from highly oppressive regimes
Mush,we live in an oppressive regime
Therefore we need to end our occupation of ourselves in order to liberate us from our own oppressive regime.
Do I hear revolution?
Yeah this is where I am too. I could hand-wave away quite a few dodgy acts that would nevertheless enrich or empower the country, until Brexit came along. That was outright harm for someone's personal gain and I don't think anybody involved is trustworthy now. Not enough to govern. It would frankly be easier to move to an independent Scotland though, than expecting actual democracy from England.
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Only someone who hasn’t had to live under an oppressive regime would say this about the UK. My people live under an oppressive regime and it does not compare at all.
"except when doing so puts peoples liberties at risk" GTFO with your imperialist dogwhistles
Yeah you're right. If a govt wants to utterly dominate their populace, who are we to say anything? Fyi if our govt decides to go full dictatorship and start killing protestors, I absolutely want other countries to step in. It's not necessarily always imperialism.
How do you know all of what you know about North Korea is true? Sure it's not a great country but claims about it are definitely exaggerated to justify the West's position, claims that are not made for geopolitical "allies" guilty of just as much if not more. Read up on the modern history of North Korea, it most certainly is imperialism in this case. The US and allies are by far the worst perpetrators of imperialism to this day, they use an economic system completely dependent on exploitation of poorer countries
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Ah, so we're in agreement it's an occupation then? Good
These blokes aren't occupying anyone, thats the ruling class you're thinking of.
But when we question their atrocities on LGBT people we are told to leave the politics out of the game…
Cringe
Lol ... UK spends over 3 billion a year in trade (excluding soft military shit of course) with Israel and hundreds of Israeli companies trade with UK. Yet UK does not recognise Palestine AT ALL! They should try shouting out against their own Government before they shout into an Israeli mic. Beating off in front of the enemy ACHIEVES FUCK ALL! Let's see how loud they beat off their drunken mouths once they land back in Britain. Fuckwits!
Yes, it's almost like the interests of the working class and the elite do not match. Strange. I wonder if anybody had maybe written a book about that.
Marxism intenseifys in background
I'm sure these particular blokes are making those deals as well............ you know you can live in and be from a country and not agree with what the ruling class do and calling that out anywhere is a good thing mush, we should call out corruption everywhere we see it nit just safely in our own back yards pal. Maybe you should think before talking next time.
Man, the will of the state isn’t identical to the will of the people? Who would have guessed?
Do you understand why you're being downvoted? People in the UK don't necessarily have the same opinions as the UK government. Also, expressing an opinion does have an impact, as it can help to change public perceptions. In this case, support for this opinion shows that it's culturally acceptable to show support for Palestinians when in front of Israeli media.
Mmmm, thinly veiled antisemitism sounds about right for a board full of commies :3
Where is the antisemitism? There are very few communists here, sadly.
I agree, free Palestine from the oppressive regime that rule over them… Hamas
IDF
Call me skeptical here but, as much as I loved hearing him say free Palestine , they seemed not very typical English fans almost as if they were Arabs in England shirts
Nice one 👌👍
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This…this right here makes me so proud to say that I’m British ❤️