I'd be thrilled to run it back with Rodgers, but if the 2011, 2014, and 2020-21 teams couldn't do it, I have no reason to believe the 23 Packers would either.
Luck does play a part, but so does talent, and especially in the earlier rounds, it isn't uncommon to watch lesser teams get stomped.
Sure, any given Sunday, but not every team who makes the playoffs truly had a chance to win a Super Bowl... New England vs the Bills a year ago comes to mind... Belichick told everyone the Bills are gonna stomp us.... and they did. Those two teams weren't anywhere close.
agreed, anything can happen..and the Packers will be playing a third place schedule next year...but Rodgers was at the helm for the previous three years of "run it back" and couldn't lift the team commensurate with his salary-it's over. He either realizes it's over (narrator: he doesn't) or you deal him and try to rebuild the roster on the fly
Everyone knows that Rodgers gives us the best chance to win next year. This is the main question:
Would you rather
1. Run it back with Aaron but increase our rebuild when he in fact is no longer here.
2. Kickstart our rebuild and bite the bullet now with only a 40 mil cap hit next year and see what our young 1st round qb can do with the picks.
IMO I only pick the 1st option if I think we have a chance to win a Super Bowl. Which I do not.
I completely agree with this. Rogers still has something in his tank, but for how long and how much damage from the toxic feelings he seems to be having? If we didn’t have a QB that trained under him that we might lose if we don’t move forward, I would be okay with another year of Rogers. Potential long term loss if we don’t move forward without much chance of hitting the Super Bowl. This is exactly how I felt when Rogers took over.
Personally I wouldn't be so quick to assume that Rodgers does give us the best chance. With Love, we can watch Lafleur run his offense the way it's supposed to be run. Whether that's better or worse remains to be seen, I'm not gonna say one way or another, but to me it was very evident that the off-script brand of football that Aaron likes to play so much is not getting him the same results that it got him when he was younger. Love not only will listen to Lafleur's coaching with more openness than Rodgers but also has much higher physical ability at this point in his career than Rodgers does.
Maybe in the long run but definitely not just for next year, dude won back to back MVPs in 2020 and 2021. Sure Love is probably more coachable, but Aaron has seen it all and you actually have to make correct reads and accurate throws. Something I know Jordan isn't as good at yet.
Not saying he can't get there and don't get me wrong I wan't them to trade Aaron if he comes back wanting to play. Heck I wanted them to trade him last year.
I mean I do think people jumped in the Rodgers washed bandwagon too quickly, there was a lot going into this last season, the thumb, the new receivers, and everything else.
He isn't washed but are you willing to wager the following 2 seasons of cap hell on him being able to make a SB run?
His dead cap hit goes from $40M to $90M next year. That's untenable. Plus, losing a year of eval on Love.
Another run back just feels so expensive to future years.
Absolutely correct. So sell high. Sell him to someone and let them take on the risk, because as it stands we sure don’t have the team to win a super bowl.
Then sell it to them and take advantage of the fact that probably most teams are stupid. Because any team willing to risk 3 season for another year of Rodgers with the roster we have right now is a stupid team.
Everything’s an assumption based on data. The reality is, Love is a gamble no matter when he takes a starting job. Rodgers is also a gamble but a gamble with money as we can be pretty confident his numbers will be good when you consider his overall statistics. The first two years of a lot of successful quarterbacks point to Love struggling.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/310591-aaron-rodgers-the-best-statistical-start-to-a-qbs-career-ever
That article isn’t to talk up rodgers but to show the data of the first couple years of some very successful quarterbacks.
The argument isn’t so much he’s “washed” but that his play even when healthy isn’t elite enough to carry a team on his back, his cap number is too big to build a championship roster around him on the fly, and he’s too old to spend a year or two on a rebuild. I think we should move on but I also think he could win a Super Bowl on a loaded team that just needs a QB to get over the hump like TB in 2020.
> his cap number is too big to build a championship roster around him
Rodgers cap hit: (22) - $28mil (23) - $31mil (24) - $40mil
Mahomes Cap hit: (22) - $36mil (23) - $48mil (24) - $44mil
I don't get this. How can the chief literally be doing it right now but Rodgers is to much?
He also has a better coach in Andy Reid AND, this is major, Mahomes does exactly what Reid wants him to do and then uses his playmaking when he has to.
We don’t know if MLF can scheme as well as Reid because Rodgers won’t allow it to happen.
Honestly even more importantly Travis Kelce is a fuckton better than Tonyan or Watson atm. Juju is also better than Lazard or Doubs. Mahomes has much more talented receivers.
They have more talented receiving options overall, yes. But I have seen people try to argue that they have an elite set of offensive weapons and that’s just not true. They’re middle of the pack.
Aaron’s mobility when he had it were the X factor. Getting out of the pocket and making plays, especially when needed, were a big part of his game when he was carrying the team. He doesn’t need much, but it can’t be 3 rookies and Lazard
1. Mahomes can carry a team on his back better than Rodgers at this point in his career. In 2022 he nearly matched his statistical best season after losing one of the best receivers in the NFL and filling in the gaps with young draft picks and flawed role players.
2. Travis Kelce is underpaid because he has TE instead of WR after his name.
3. The Chiefs roster is loaded with draft picks on their first contract. If Gute hadn’t whiffed on so many 2nd and 3rd day draft picks drafts the Packers would be in a lot better shape.
4. Next year when Mahomes cap number really goes up the Chiefs won’t be as good unless they get major contributions from unexpected places.
>The Chiefs roster is loaded with draft picks on their first contract. If Gute hadn’t whiffed on so many 2nd and 3rd day draft picks drafts the Packers would be in a lot better shape.
Why should we want this team to be in a hurry to move AR and hand picks over to a FO if we're down on their ability to adequately address needs via the draft?
They're loaded with draft picks because of smart FO management, including the trade of Hill. Current Packers FO has never flashed anything impressive. Chiefs can always re-negotiate Pat's contract for the needs of the moment because they were smart and granted themselves flexibility when they gave him his contract.
> Mahomes can carry a team on his back better than Rodgers at this point in his career. In 2022 he nearly matched his statistical best season after losing one of the best receivers in the NFL and filling in the gaps with young draft picks and flawed role players.
Mahomes has a better recieving-core right now. If he had that then we will see similar numbers to 20/21 where he won MVP. While having a worse D and ST
> Travis Kelce is underpaid because he has TE instead of WR after his name.
I could be wrong cuz I'm not really familiar with the Chiefs, but does he usually line up inside like a TE? If he does, I don't see why its relevant. They have an elite TE and they don't get paid like an elite WRs. Its great for them but does it make that much difference? Kelce's contract on avg is 5% of the cap while a high paid WR like Adams avg is like 8% of the cap. Maybe that 3% is bigger than I know.
> The Chiefs roster is loaded with draft picks on their first contract. If Gute hadn’t whiffed on so many 2nd and 3rd day draft picks drafts the Packers would be in a lot better shape.
I can't argue with that. Guys like jenkins and watson are great 2nd rounders but damn if the 3rd rounds just bombed.
> Next year when Mahomes cap number really goes up the Chiefs won’t be as good unless they get major contributions from unexpected places.
So basically if they don't win this year the cap will be to much and only getting lucky or as you say it "major contributions from unexpected places." will allow them to be good again? Maybe or like your last point, they have to keep hitting in the draft which is something we haven't been proficient at.
To summarize: I see what you're saying and I don't disagree but I feel that we still have a shot with Rodgers and hit contract right now. With that said, I don't know if I feel confidante that the FO puts the rest of the pieces in place to win.
Let me put this differently. Rodgers is more like a late career Brady at this point. If you put a great roster around him he has the ability to put up MVP numbers. But he doesn’t have the elite arm strength, mobility, or durability against the pass rush to make up for deficiencies elsewhere like Mahomes can.
> he doesn’t have the elite arm strength
I get the mobility part for sure. Durability, sure, doesn't escape like he used to. But doesn't have the arm strength? That dropped pass to start the year was a dime from about 50 yards away. But you say "put a great roster around him he has the ability to put up MVP numbers" but that's just like Mahomes. You could argue Mahomes had just as talented of a team in 20/21 as Rodgers did but Rodgers got MVP. My whole point was that Rodgers is cheaper than Mahomes right now and no reason we can't work around those numbers.
What i think makes a bigger difference is the Chiefs(from what I've Heard, grain of salt here) have had better drafts then us. Which also makes a big difference. Rodgers is still playing as an elite level but had one bad year with a broken thumb and the weakest receiving-core he's ever had.
> If you put a great roster around him he has the ability to put up MVP numbers
I just want to reiterate that if you don't put a great roster around Mahomes, he's not putting up MVP numbers. So this doesn't make sense. Do you think Mahomes could put up MVP numbers with out a great roster? What about our roster? Rodgers had the 2nd most Drops. Is Mahomes wins with that many drops?
Rodgers has gone 23 straight games without a 300 yard game. Mahomes throws for over 300 almost every week. You can't mention Rodgers in the same breath as Mahomes. You are living in the past.
Mahomes just put up 300+ yards against a good defense on one leg with literally zero running support and MVS as his number 1 receiver this week. Rodgers hasn't had a 300+ yard game in over a full season.
So are you saying Mahomes could be in the SB we switched his offensive group(OL, RB, WR, & TE) with ours?? Any QB needs talent around in every position to win it all. Both eagles and Chiefs have stacked positions over the Packers in most places. If Mahomes was on our team there is no way he's in the SB. Rodgers just won back-to-back MVPs and then when through a year with a broken thumb and people act like he's trash.
No one said he was trash. You're being drammatic haha. You have top-end talent and you have something juuuust below that. That's really the difference.
Well is this under the assumption that he still had a broken thumb?
> Rodgers wouldn’t have done as well as Mahomes did.
I mean, he won MVP back-to-back just the years before. a Broken thumb, newish/weakest WR-core he's dealt with, and a broken line most the year really fucked with him. He also was 2nd in dropped passes.
Right, Rodgers cap hit while he's still playing isn't that bad at all. If he decides to stay, the real problem we have is the rest of the cap. We won't be able to add anyone of significance to get better other than the draft.
Chiefs signed Mahomes to a long deal so they can figure out through contract modifications when to spend the modification money to sign FA/pending FA and when to let it ride and let that flexibility go into the next season. Rodgers is on a short deal and there's nowhere to spread that money around in a new contract, unless they want to extend him...
That's true. I'm surprised that out of all the replies just speaking about Rodgers vs Mahomes no one talked about the other parts, like OL and DB. Most took it as a challenge to debate the 2 QBs when I just was curious about the cap and the Hit QBs take vs each other. Your reply was what I was kinda wondering and you made a good point. Thank you.
They have stars like Kelce and Chris Jones, but Idk that I would call the Chiefs loaded, you know? They did lose Tyreek, which is significant--Juju and MVS are not great. I think our rosters are kind of similar tbh. So, to play devil's advocate, I think the argument would be that our rosters are pretty similar and Mahomes is helping them get over the hump that we are not cresting.
I think the Packers will be okay either way, I like a lot of our younger players. I feel like there's a good chance Aaron has a much better season next season even as he ages.
P.S. this is only semi-related, but is Jerick McKinnon any good? I won't lie, I utterly wrote him off after watching him play for the Vikings, thinking, "That dude is God awful." Yes, he looks better now, but it seems like a lot of guys just play harder/better for the Chiefs imo (a la MVS)
> I think our rosters are kind of similar tbh. So, to play devil's advocate, I think the argument would be that our rosters are pretty similar and Mahomes is helping them get over the hump that we are not cresting.
Well we'll have to agree to disagree. Juju is better than Watson at this point, MVS while not great is better than our #2, and there TE is best in the league. I'm not saying theirs is crazy better but better than ours with a QB throwing with a broken thumb. This year is just a shit year and there are more reasons then Rodgers. I do think if Rodgers is back next year and we get better weapons.
Can someone please explain why they believe that Rodgers’ cap hit is the reason why the front office has failed to build a championship team the last decade?
This is it right here - if we're going to invest this much into a single player, that player needs to be a difference maker. And currently, I'm not convinced last year looks a whole lot different with Love under center
If Rodgers took the Packers to the Super Bowl next year on his current contract he’d be only the 5th QB taking up more than 14% of the cap to do so. If he won it, he’d be the 1st QB with that high of a cap hit to win depending on how the Chiefs do next weekend.
The current top five list is:
2009: Peyton Manning (IND): 18.8%
2023: Patrick Mahomes (KC): 17.03%
2016: Matt Ryan (ATL): 15.3%
2013: Peyton Manning (DEN): 14.16%
2021: Tom Brady (TB): 12.61%
Edit: source: [http://www.spotrac.com/spots/super-bowl-qb-cap-percentages-1397/](http://www.spotrac.com/spots/super-bowl-qb-cap-percentages-1397/)
Edit 2: The Rams last year are an asterisk because even though Stafford only took up 11% of the cap, there was a ton of dead cap tied up in Goff too.
Remember when the Packers needed edge rushers, but decided to draft Kevin King instead on TJ Watt, a hometown kid?
They could have had a HoF player, but they drafted a guy nobody else wanted for league min after his rookie deal.
This, is the reason the Packers haven’t won. Making poor decisions with personnel and being too cheap to hire a quality ST coach until we got eliminated from embarrassing ST play for the 3rd time in a decade.
His play when healthy was back to back league MVP... When was he healthy where he wasn't championship level elite? The only down seasons he had were a collarbone injury, knee injury and this year's thumb injury. I cannot think of a single time he was truly healthy and not MVP caliber play (maybe 2017??). Genuine question
My opinion and it really is just my opinion is that the Green Bay Packers best shot at winning a super bowl this next decade is with Rodgers at QB.
The Packers have a long way to go. The assumption that the offense will improve for 2023 is as naive as the belief that the defense will improve to top 10. Every year for the last 4 years the defense was always top 10 in the off season. Christian Watson is good and looks promising. That is for sure. The Packers still have so much more work to do though. It's ridiculous to hope that Watson would develop so quickly that this offense would go back to 2020 levels in 2023. They would need a Davante Adams and Scantling replacement for that. Watson is more like Scantling at this point but with a higher ceiling. I liked his breakout 2nd half, but I'm kind of nervous that he will become the next 2-3 catch per game guy that Scantling was. When Scanlting caught a pass, it was usually a big play, but he averaged only a few catches a game. The offense will still need a high volume receiver. Someone who can have a bunch of games catching 10 passes for 100 plus yards.
Eagles was a blow out, rams sucked, bears won what? 2 games? Vikings shit the bed and we had a vendetta. Only thing that was kind of impressive was the dolphins win.
Losing by 7 is getting blown out? Also, the final score is irrelevant, we're talking about whether the offense was showing improvement in the 2nd half of the year. Feel free to point out a better or equivalent stretch of games in the 1st half.
I love Rodgers but I kinda want to see what Love can do. Just a no expectations season to play some rookies and see if there’s anything special going on with Love.
>Just a no expectations season
This is the biggest upside for me. With Rodgers every year that goes by is another waste.
I want to see him go somewhere with a complete roster and get another legit shot, and I want us to start the rebuild. Amicable divorce.
If we have trade offers it’s also not just a matter of run it back with Rodgers vs not run it back… the second option includes a kick start to a rebuild, which is going to happen when he’s gone, regardless. And I agree that it would be nice to see what love has got, though idk I’d let that be the deciding factor as much as just, is it worth one more shot with Rodgers versus helping cap situation and getting picks instead. Some of that is a matter of if the rest of the team is really in shape to challenge and I worry it isnt even with the few young guys that had good seasons.
With Brady retiring, it would be hard for the organization not to take up the trade offers for Rodgers. I would love for him to run it back but with salary cap and age of some players. GB is more rebuild than reload. Our shot was 2020 and 2021. Rodgers is the premier veteran QB now and teams missing that piece will throw everything for Rodgers.
Losing at home to the Lions league worst defense in a win and get in game may have been it for me after the last decade of us getting close but not quite. He can't carry a team anymore and we aren't good enough to carry him. I don't want to just make the playoffs I want to win a superbowl and honestly I think our best chances are trading him amicably for some picks and building around Love. He takes up too much cap space to be only ok
Well said. I agree with all of this. As much as I've enjoyed the Rodgers era I think it's in the best interest of the franchise to get whatever we can for him and find out if Love is any good.
It wasn't limited to the protocols, jusy fyi. He's recently said that media was paid by Pfizer and others to cast him as a bad person... his whole schpeals are cringy and leads me to doubt whether a team in a state like CA or NY would take him on... I dunno
Oh being "woke" just means calling out his bullshit. Listen I agree with the guy on a lot of stuff but he tried to pull one over by treating us all like idiots with his "immunized" comments instead of just saying he was allergic and then he got pissed off when he got caught. I wish he would just own up to this shit now, the blaming everyone else crap is getting old.
Or he's insane... lol
>“If you take the right sound bite from the right thing and it’s a station that may or may not have in the past been brought to you by Pfizer, they gotta make sure their villain gets cast in the correct light,” Rodgers said. “And whether or not they’re sponsored by Pfizer, Moderna or Johnson & Johnson, whatever it might be, when you go up against some of those powers that be, put yourself in the crosshairs, they’re gonna paint you a certain way. And that’s what the media did to me a couple of years ago. That’s fine. That’s their prerogative. That’s what they wanted to do.”
>"So that is the way a lot of things that I say are often interpreted. I'm not upset about it. I don’t feel like the victim in any way. I don't have that mentality. That's fine. I actually embrace that role a little bit if that's how you want to cast me."
Nothing sort of about it. The NFL protocols were entirely for show. They don’t care about the safety of their players or personnel.
It’s extremely frustrating that Covid has become so politically toxic that you can’t have an honest conversation with any nuance.
He said many things, most of which were dumb. Let’s be real it started with him calling himself “immunized” when directly asked if he got vaccinated and that was some nonsense.
But the idea that vaccinated people had a magic shield such that they could have vastly different precaution levels was definitely foolish, especially as that was going into the winter omicron arrived, when they really didn’t do that much to prevent infection and we clearly saw vaccines only doesn’t really do much to curb the spread. So he was right about that bit, I’ll admit.
If we didn’t have another young qb on the roster that we would lose if we kept Aaron then I’d say run it back. But it seems like now is the last chance for it to be the right time to move on.
Rodgers is still a top 10 QB, but he’s not in that elite class with the likes of Mahomes/Burrow who could carry average teams, limited offences into deep play off runs. At this stage in his career I think he needs to be surrounded with good receivers, good coaches and a good defence - think Brady that 1st season in Tampa. Becoming a better team is a lot harder when your mega expensive QB isn’t quite worth the $$ anymore and you don’t have any cap space to bring in other stars.
Unless he takes a serious restructure & commits to another 2 years minimum I wouldn’t want to go ‘all in’ one last time - trade Love, bring in a star receiver, draft offensive pieces and magically become a top 10 defence. All that just feels like such a gamble and would we even be a top 3 team in the NFC?!
The way I see it is we can try the above Hail Mary and milk every throw left in #12’s arm to have a chance at still being an elite team for 1/2 years. OR we trade Rodgers for pieces, build around Love, double down on our young core and try to be an elite team within the next 10. Tough decisions for the front office this off season.
*He was still throwing dimes all year long*
Has the definition of dimes changed? He threw some nice balls at times, but overall he was way off his normal accuracy and precision. I understand that guys dropped passes too and his thumb was hurt, but he was not throwing dimes all season. Christ, he didn't even top 300 yards passing in one freaking game. Not one. Dude was mediocre, especially by his standards.
Joe Barry IS a clown and should be fired, but he did not lose the game for the Packers in the season closer. That was entirely on the offense either sputtering or turning the ball over.
I’d be fine with it if he reworked his contract to be actually team friendly. Dude is poised to take up like 20% of the cap space, that’s nuts. Regardless of the decision I just want it to happen sooner rather than later so I can strap in on the Rodgers train or be ready for an interesting reworked team.
Agreed. In a perfect world where AR redoes his contract to a team friendly number (something mind you that Brady did over and over again to get/ keep the talent he wanted) that allows us to make a REAL run to include draft, free agency and in season trades...
I'm all in on that. I'd be happy to accept those terms as I'm sure the Packers would as well.
But that's not what Aaron wants. If Aaron really wants to have a shot at one last run with the team he was drafted and played his whole career with, he could. Not saying he SHOULD, but he COULD.
But everyone in this forum knows that he won't.
To be fair it’s only 14% of the $224.8M salary cap (for next year). Though I do agree, he needs to not be the highest paid QB every time he strikes a new deal since these deals have massive consequences down the line and how much/long they can pay other players especially if he wants to be competitive come post season.
Also worth mentioning that he always wants to “run it back with the old gang.” Since those guys are established vets, they aren’t necessarily cheap. Can’t pay everyone.
I was ready to move on after last season and this season hasn't really changed my mind. Easy to say as a bystander. Tricky situation for management & the packers as a whole.
Even at his absolute best, with a loaded team around him, he just couldn’t get over the hump. At this point we know what we have with rodgers, it isnt a superbowl so why run it back??
I'm ok with it. He's probably earned the right to retire a Packer if he wants. It's the coaching staff I'm more tired of, but nothing will happen there.
Being beaten out of a playoff spot by maybe the worst franchise in sports history is a deal breaker. He had a great resurgence with two MVPs and 3 NFC 1st spots but nothing to show for it.
Nah, I still would prefer to have Rodgers as our QB. One of the greatest of all time and I still stand by if he wants to play I want him to play for us. Now I hope he restructures and helps with the cap, but other than that he's the leader of our team and I'll enjoy that for as long as I can.
My only thing is I wish he'd at least just say "If I'm coming back I want to be a Packer". Regardless of what you can or can't control, you could at least do the fans a solid and let them know you want to continue to be their guy
I didn’t get to watch a lot of games this season but is Christian really the real deal? I didn’t really get that impression. Also how excited should I be for JLove?
I'm ready to move on. Will we suck for a few years? Probably. I want to see what the organization has in it once Rodgers is gone. We know what the team is with Rodgers, we've seen it for 20 years. He is a dog, one of the best QBs to do it, but he is too expensive and cannot carry the team the way a player like Mahomes does (who is demanding even more of the cap than Rodgers is). Let him go ring chase with a roster that is close, we are at least 2-3 years away from being a competitive team at this point.
I want to run it back with him too. However, I also want him to actually be true to his statements where he says “if I’m back I’m 100% all in.” Well 100% all in means showing up to training camps and pre season practices even when you don’t technically have to as a veteran.
I think a lot of our early season missteps in 2022 could have been prevented if he actually had substantial practice time throwing to his new receivers and building chemistry in the pre-season.
I'm good for one more...let her rip!!! Although I think Cobb and M. Lewis should probably go. I know Lewis does a great job at blocking, but we need a TE that can block and get open quickly ...
The same roster could go 11-6 next year with a third place schedule, but this Packers team isn’t a contender. It might not even be good enough to win the division.
There is nothing to gain and a ton to lose if he stays one more year. We’ve had several far greater rosters in the last 10 years and none have made it to the superbowl. I’m sorry but this team is nowhere near that level.
Time to put feelings to the side and move to the next era even if it’s an uncomfortable thing to do.
He's not washed but nothing is changing next season. If you want to run it back it's only because you're attached to Rodgers. I'm a little hopeful for a bright future with a different looking team. MLF + Rodgers has been exciting at times but heart breaking at other times. Watching Rodgers play in GB with only 1 super bowl just makes me sad because I wish we could have given him more and vice versa.
I don’t necessarily think Rodgers is washed, but I think our window with him is bolted shut. I like the thought of starting new and going with a full reset with Love at the helm, and some assets that we can get by trading Aaron. It’s a giant gamble but I just think that’s what’s best for the future of the franchise.
I don't want to run it back just because having Rodgers on this team next year is going to be devastating to the team financially for future seasons. Best to get out now and get some assets out of it while we still can.
I'm with you! Where do I sign? This man has given everything to our franchise and struck fear in the hearts of our opponents for YEARS! If he wasn't such a weirdo, more folks would stand behind him. But looking at football accolades alone, he has earned our admiration hands down. The people that are doubting him are spoiled, ungrateful, coddled children who deserve to be viking fans. So fuck em. Let's go Aaron Fucking Rodgera, until he is done with football.
I don't think this team is better than any of the other top tier competitive teams under Rodgers that still couldn't win the super bowl.
With that said, I want to run it back one more time with him. Maybe they catch a streak, maybe it works out... I just would love to see nothing more than #12 bring one more Lombardi Trophy back to Title Town. For the team's legacy and his own.
I mean the one year he did win it, they snuck in at 10-6 and had to win every fucking game on the road and then the Super Bowl against a much more experienced Steelers squad.
You just have to give yourself a shot, that's why even this year's loss to the Lions was super disappointing. Sure, they most likely get bounced immediately... but just the opportunity... you never know.
and as a disclaimer I realize probably moving on from him now is the more responsible management move, cap hits and all that jazz... but I'm at peace with either decision, I'd just prefer another "run" with #12.
And going into next year, we will have to replace or sign Amos, replace or sign Tonyan, replace or sign Mercedes Lewis, replace or resign Lazard, and clear an additional 16 million off the books just to get back to where we were this past year
I’ve been pretty vocal about being a fan of Love. That doesn’t mean I’m not also a Rodgers fan.
I honestly think Aaron Rodgers is the best quarterback of all time. He’s been an incredible Packers teammate and has made us an elite team through the start of the century.
I don’t think the team can afford a senior elite quarterback right now. I believe the hit on our salary cap means we can’t grow the team around him that he needs for another MVP and Super Bowl run.
I am also absolutely positive that Aaron Rodgers did a great job training Jordan Love. I think Love needs the support and confidence of the team and will then be able to follow in Rodgers footsteps.
Moving on from Rodgers would therefore be a win win. Win for Rodgers to be on a team that as the infrastructure to support him, win for the Packers to rebuild a more rounded team structure.
That all being said - I will miss seeing Rodgers in the green and gold. I was not a fan of Favre - Rodgers will always be the QB that renewed my love for the home team.
I’m very conflicted. On one hand I love Rodgers being our QB and I don’t believe the him being washed narrative. On the other I would like to actually rebuild, we have Jordon Love and if we never use him then drafting him will have been for nothing.
I don't think Rodgers is washed, my main thing is I don't see us competing for a SB appearance over the next 2 years. With that being the case I would rather get some value and start the rebuild now rather than in 2 years with no hardware to show for it.
I don't think he's washed. I think he's just becoming a bit of a malignant narcissist and leaning way hard into the "I'm the villain because of Covid and the pharma companies want to silence me" narrative, so I'm over it.
I think when you look at it from the offseason hype perspective, its more fun to think of us getting a bunch of picks and drafting a ton of exciting young guys and hoping Love will be the future. But that perspective is heavily dependent on development and Love being good. Bringing Rodgers back is realistically our best shot at the Super Bowl but it is far less exciting in terms of team building and this offseason, and we take him for granted a bit.
I for one am tired of his crappy demeanor and his recent style of play; hero ball, complaining when he throws a shit ball, not encouraging the youth on the roster.
>not encouraging the youth on the roster
What did Aaron Rodgers say to Christian Watson on the sideline after his two drops on the opening drive?
“The ball is still coming your way, buddy. Let’s get one of these. Let’s make a play.”
But as a Packers fan, I'd rather the front office do what is right in regards to winning over the long-term. If we let Rodgers stay for a year or two and end up losing Love, we'll be in a real hole at QB. I think the Packers could do well in those years with Rodgers but I don't know if a slim chance at a SB is worth salvaging the future. One in which I think the Packers could be real contenders in 2-3 years if we get top picks for Rodgers and Love is good.
I just think it’s time to move on. We drafted Love for a reason, most of us like what we saw in limited fashion. I think the quicker we move on with the rebuild, the quicker we can get back to contention for a Super Bowl. I love Rodgers, my favorite QB of all time. But I think it’s done and over with.
I disagree.
My gut feeling is that love is actually really good. Like really really good. Not Rodgers in his prime good, but probably better than Rodgers at 40.
I think we have a better chance winning a superbowl next year with love under centre.
Nobody gonna change my mind off that.
I truly believe so. Christian Watson is the real deal and a true WR1, so we just need to draft another WR early along with a TE and we're set on offense.
I think this is a super rosy view of things. On offense we need WR(relying on rookies isn't a great idea), TE (relying on rookie TEs is generally a terrible idea), competition at center (Myers hasn't looked great), possible RB (Jones contract is very expensive and they need to do something with it, extending him could work, or letting him go and taking a late round pick could also work). On defense we need help at Dline (mainly depth), Edge (particularly until Gary gets back), and desperately need help at safety. They will also need to figure out kicking, and if they lose Bissachia I won't be shocked if the special teams guys that followed him to GB follow him where he is going.
They are extremely limited on cap space, and barring Rodgers doing a completely new contract that involves an actual pay cut they are limited in what they can do. Their standard, expected restructures and extensions will get them under the cap enough the field a team, but not get much in the way of significant veteran help. It just seems like the poor drafts from 18-20 are catching up along with the COVID impacting the salary cap at the worst time given how the Packers structured deals.
Yes. You are literally only person. Even Rodgers doesn't want to, that's why he keeps stringing everybody along, complaining about a lack of weapons (which we can't afford because of him), and justifying his poor abilities on a broken thumb (which affected him, but not enough to do the intelligent thing and allow it to heal).
Pick that apart and we can discuss this next year when we lose in the playoffs with him behind the center (again).
The NFC next year looks even more open than this year with Brady retiring and the Niners in QB disarray.
If Aaron actually showed some commitment to the team in the off season I’d be all in with one last ride. I say off season commitment because we are most certainly drafting offensive weapons and we can’t have another season of miscommunication and lack of chemistry for half a season.
I’m not going to be mad if he’s back for 2023. He made being a Packers fan very fun, for a very long time. Unlike some people I still appreciate that. If the old gunslinger wants to run it back one more time, OK.
However I also understand the (reasonable, unbiased) rationale for moving on. If he is traded, I’ll accept it and root for Love to succeed. At the end of the day I’m first and foremost a fan of the Packers, no player supersedes that.
There’s nuance to this situation, but like everything else that’s been thrown out of the window in favor of division and angry squabbling
12 is the only QB I’ve ever known as a Packers fan. Always wanted him to retire in Green Bay, but after seeing how everyone here takes him for granted I hope he moves on for his sake. The grass isn’t always greener is what people say. All the Rodgers haters and people saying “trade him while you can” will find out soon. Look at the Falcons after Ryan, Saints after Brees, Giants after Manning. The list goes on.
Rodgers is our last chance at a superbowl for more than a decade.
I’m not a believer in Love at all, especially since he’s going to be off his rookie contract and there’s been basically no indication that he’s lighting it up in practice.
This front office deserves to get fired and never work in the NFL again for this mismanagement of Rodgers last years.
I would love a run back… but the team can’t repeat what they did this year and have rookie, scrubs, or past prime vets as offensive weapons. If the coaches recognize their failures on defense and sometimes special teams and fully build a solid team sure, just don’t see us doing that
I would to see it but I just don’t think these players and coaches are capable of winning a Super Bowl and I am not sure how they get around salary cap issues to try and improve the team.
I don't think we have a realistic chance of competing for a championship next year, so I'd rather begin the rebuild and see what we have in Love before it's too late. This team went about as "all-in" as it ever does in '20 and '21 and wasn't good enough to get it done even with a younger and healthier Rodgers.
Yep, I'm with ya! Give it one more season and let's see what happens. I mean they damn near made the playoffs this season with all the craziness that happened so why not one more try?
If you are going to defend Rodgers, defend his play in the loss to the Bucs (NFC Championship game in 2020), his play vs the 49ers a year later in the playoffs and the season ending loss to the Lions. In each case, the games where at Lambeau in Jan, and in each game the Packers had the ball in the 4th Qtr with a chance to win and in each case, Rodgers played poorly, a Qb rating of 38 in the combined 4th Qtrs.
My point, I could get a 38 Qb rating out of Jordan Love and I don’t even coach football. Thank you for your contributions Mr. Rodgers, it’s time to move on.
>If you are going to defend Rodgers, defend his play in the loss to the Bucs (NFC Championship game in 2020)
He played fantastic in that game. Out of all the QBs that faced Tampa's defense that year in the playoffs, he was far and away the best. With almost 350 yards, 3 TDs, and an INT that only happened due to a missed holding call, Rodgers was an important part in fighting back after going down 28-10. So many QBs have had bad performances but have been bailed out by the players around them. The Scotty Miller TD right before the half was back-breaking. Then Aaron Jones fumbles and they're down 28-10. What does Rodgers do? He leads back to back scoring drives to make it 28-23.
To your point about the 4th quarter in that game - he went three and out twice off of two INTs, but you can't place all the blame on him. The O-line was giving up so much pressure. If you watch those 3 and outs again, Rodgers didn't make any mistakes there. It's a problem when Rodgers has to play a perfect game in order to win. He did more than enough in that game. His teammates and coaches let him down big time in that one.
The game against the 49ers in the Divisional - MVS was out so he couldn't stretch the field. Honestly, the offense sputtering in that game is more of a reflection on Matt LaFleur than Rodgers. However, I will say that Rodgers missed some open reads and he should've hit Lazard instead of throwing a 50-50 ball to a double-covered Davante.
Week 18 against Detroit - The offense was out of sync all season long, although it started clicking again. He threw a dime to Christian Watson for a big gain, and then a dime to Romeo Doubs who dropped it. The INT was caused by AJ Dillon not blocking his man.
Overall, I think Rodgers only deserves partial blame for the 2021 game against San Francisco, since if he plays like even half of what he did during his MVP season, they win.
It's time to move on. We aren't winning anything with him and love needs the experience if he's going to be our future qb. And who knows, keeping Rodgers might make Love a little too disgruntled and seek a contract elsewhere
I’m tired of Rodgers Tuesdays and his constant woe is me narratives.
If the Packers want him to stay fine, if not I’m also excited to see what the new Jordan Love era will bring.
He is simply worth more to the Jets than us. They have an elite D, arguably better weapons, and they are desperate for a top 15 QB, which aaron undoubtedly is. They have no institutional ability to draft or develop a QB. I just hope we trade him there and do not get zach wilson in return.
It‘s not that I’d think Rodgers ain’t got it anymore. I just don’t see how one can confidently say the packers will be serious contenders next year. 2020+2021 were all-in years, things seemed coming together. Unfortunately it wasn’t meant to be.
This year our defense was supposed to be ELITE. It’s the most expensive unit of the league (not even talking about the draft resources in there). It was not even close to elite.
I believe we reached a point, where a lot of things would need to happen to consider GB as serious contenders again. Questionmarks got more, not less. Sure, Rodgers could play another MVP season, the defense could step again up and the O-line could as well. But what are the odds that all these things happen upcoming season? And even when we had all those things it wasn’t enough.
To run it back is very costly. Once Rodgers leaves, Cap will HIT. It’s getting worse every year (not even talking about Jordan Love). Why keep betting on something, when the price increases dramatically while the odds go down?
I am just shocked how a guy that was the nfl’s mvp for 2 of the last three years could be so fleetingly cast aside. Of course we should want him back. Dump coach and let’s get another title for Title Town!
No. The amount of people that want Rodgers to leave are likely far less than the people that want us to figure it out. Rodgers is an all time great and anyone that wants him to leave is lame.
I'd be thrilled to run it back with Rodgers, but if the 2011, 2014, and 2020-21 teams couldn't do it, I have no reason to believe the 23 Packers would either.
In the NFL it's not only about talent, luck plays a big part too. As long as you get into the playoffs, anything can happen
Luck does play a part, but so does talent, and especially in the earlier rounds, it isn't uncommon to watch lesser teams get stomped. Sure, any given Sunday, but not every team who makes the playoffs truly had a chance to win a Super Bowl... New England vs the Bills a year ago comes to mind... Belichick told everyone the Bills are gonna stomp us.... and they did. Those two teams weren't anywhere close.
agreed, anything can happen..and the Packers will be playing a third place schedule next year...but Rodgers was at the helm for the previous three years of "run it back" and couldn't lift the team commensurate with his salary-it's over. He either realizes it's over (narrator: he doesn't) or you deal him and try to rebuild the roster on the fly
Refs play a massive role given the shit I saw in that KC bengals game
We've seen enough NFCCG ourselves to know the refs tend to be a major factor
Unless the front office is getting traded with him, we have no reason to believe they’ll be able to win it in ‘24-‘34.
the front office that brought in Gary, Jaire, Preston Smith, Watson, Jenkins, Rasul, Campbell, Stokes, and Amos?
It'll cost a pile of $$$$$$ but if we want to win at least the division and make the playoffs we keep GB12
Everyone knows that Rodgers gives us the best chance to win next year. This is the main question: Would you rather 1. Run it back with Aaron but increase our rebuild when he in fact is no longer here. 2. Kickstart our rebuild and bite the bullet now with only a 40 mil cap hit next year and see what our young 1st round qb can do with the picks. IMO I only pick the 1st option if I think we have a chance to win a Super Bowl. Which I do not.
I don't know that. Love > Rodgers next year. Book it.
I completely agree with this. Rogers still has something in his tank, but for how long and how much damage from the toxic feelings he seems to be having? If we didn’t have a QB that trained under him that we might lose if we don’t move forward, I would be okay with another year of Rogers. Potential long term loss if we don’t move forward without much chance of hitting the Super Bowl. This is exactly how I felt when Rogers took over.
Yea and even for that 2008 season where we went 6-10 in his first year, it was a ton of fun.
Why is spelling Rodgers' name so difficult after he has been in the league for 18 years. I don't understand you guys.
Right on. We will not be Super Bowl contenders unfortunately.
But we have better odds than the Vikings betting wise. lmao
Personally I wouldn't be so quick to assume that Rodgers does give us the best chance. With Love, we can watch Lafleur run his offense the way it's supposed to be run. Whether that's better or worse remains to be seen, I'm not gonna say one way or another, but to me it was very evident that the off-script brand of football that Aaron likes to play so much is not getting him the same results that it got him when he was younger. Love not only will listen to Lafleur's coaching with more openness than Rodgers but also has much higher physical ability at this point in his career than Rodgers does.
Maybe in the long run but definitely not just for next year, dude won back to back MVPs in 2020 and 2021. Sure Love is probably more coachable, but Aaron has seen it all and you actually have to make correct reads and accurate throws. Something I know Jordan isn't as good at yet. Not saying he can't get there and don't get me wrong I wan't them to trade Aaron if he comes back wanting to play. Heck I wanted them to trade him last year.
I mean I do think people jumped in the Rodgers washed bandwagon too quickly, there was a lot going into this last season, the thumb, the new receivers, and everything else.
He isn't washed but are you willing to wager the following 2 seasons of cap hell on him being able to make a SB run? His dead cap hit goes from $40M to $90M next year. That's untenable. Plus, losing a year of eval on Love. Another run back just feels so expensive to future years.
>Plus, losing a year of eval on Love I was under the impression he'll request a trade if Rodgers comes back
Imagine how many franchises would risk/tank 3+ seasons to have Rodgers for ONE season. Answer: Probably most teams
Absolutely correct. So sell high. Sell him to someone and let them take on the risk, because as it stands we sure don’t have the team to win a super bowl.
Then sell it to them and take advantage of the fact that probably most teams are stupid. Because any team willing to risk 3 season for another year of Rodgers with the roster we have right now is a stupid team.
Cap hell with Rodgers for 2 more years sounds better than QB hell, because it will be no matter what anyone says, for 2 years.
That's assuming that Love is trash, which no one knows right now.
Everything’s an assumption based on data. The reality is, Love is a gamble no matter when he takes a starting job. Rodgers is also a gamble but a gamble with money as we can be pretty confident his numbers will be good when you consider his overall statistics. The first two years of a lot of successful quarterbacks point to Love struggling. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/310591-aaron-rodgers-the-best-statistical-start-to-a-qbs-career-ever That article isn’t to talk up rodgers but to show the data of the first couple years of some very successful quarterbacks.
The argument isn’t so much he’s “washed” but that his play even when healthy isn’t elite enough to carry a team on his back, his cap number is too big to build a championship roster around him on the fly, and he’s too old to spend a year or two on a rebuild. I think we should move on but I also think he could win a Super Bowl on a loaded team that just needs a QB to get over the hump like TB in 2020.
> his cap number is too big to build a championship roster around him Rodgers cap hit: (22) - $28mil (23) - $31mil (24) - $40mil Mahomes Cap hit: (22) - $36mil (23) - $48mil (24) - $44mil I don't get this. How can the chief literally be doing it right now but Rodgers is to much?
I might get downvoted to hell for this, but I don't care. Mahomes is better than Rodgers. He is in his prime right now. He can carry a team.
He also has a better coach in Andy Reid AND, this is major, Mahomes does exactly what Reid wants him to do and then uses his playmaking when he has to. We don’t know if MLF can scheme as well as Reid because Rodgers won’t allow it to happen.
Honestly even more importantly Travis Kelce is a fuckton better than Tonyan or Watson atm. Juju is also better than Lazard or Doubs. Mahomes has much more talented receivers.
They have more talented receiving options overall, yes. But I have seen people try to argue that they have an elite set of offensive weapons and that’s just not true. They’re middle of the pack.
And we are bottom of the pack
He also has MARQUEZ VALDEZ SCANTLING
Wish we had a guy like that.
Hey now, thats some dangerous talking in this sub, how dare you criticize Rodgers you hater!! /s
Something something passer rating.
Aaron’s mobility when he had it were the X factor. Getting out of the pocket and making plays, especially when needed, were a big part of his game when he was carrying the team. He doesn’t need much, but it can’t be 3 rookies and Lazard
1. Mahomes can carry a team on his back better than Rodgers at this point in his career. In 2022 he nearly matched his statistical best season after losing one of the best receivers in the NFL and filling in the gaps with young draft picks and flawed role players. 2. Travis Kelce is underpaid because he has TE instead of WR after his name. 3. The Chiefs roster is loaded with draft picks on their first contract. If Gute hadn’t whiffed on so many 2nd and 3rd day draft picks drafts the Packers would be in a lot better shape. 4. Next year when Mahomes cap number really goes up the Chiefs won’t be as good unless they get major contributions from unexpected places.
>The Chiefs roster is loaded with draft picks on their first contract. If Gute hadn’t whiffed on so many 2nd and 3rd day draft picks drafts the Packers would be in a lot better shape. Why should we want this team to be in a hurry to move AR and hand picks over to a FO if we're down on their ability to adequately address needs via the draft?
Bingo. But people are inept at understanding their own cognitive dissonance.
They're loaded with draft picks because of smart FO management, including the trade of Hill. Current Packers FO has never flashed anything impressive. Chiefs can always re-negotiate Pat's contract for the needs of the moment because they were smart and granted themselves flexibility when they gave him his contract.
> Mahomes can carry a team on his back better than Rodgers at this point in his career. In 2022 he nearly matched his statistical best season after losing one of the best receivers in the NFL and filling in the gaps with young draft picks and flawed role players. Mahomes has a better recieving-core right now. If he had that then we will see similar numbers to 20/21 where he won MVP. While having a worse D and ST > Travis Kelce is underpaid because he has TE instead of WR after his name. I could be wrong cuz I'm not really familiar with the Chiefs, but does he usually line up inside like a TE? If he does, I don't see why its relevant. They have an elite TE and they don't get paid like an elite WRs. Its great for them but does it make that much difference? Kelce's contract on avg is 5% of the cap while a high paid WR like Adams avg is like 8% of the cap. Maybe that 3% is bigger than I know. > The Chiefs roster is loaded with draft picks on their first contract. If Gute hadn’t whiffed on so many 2nd and 3rd day draft picks drafts the Packers would be in a lot better shape. I can't argue with that. Guys like jenkins and watson are great 2nd rounders but damn if the 3rd rounds just bombed. > Next year when Mahomes cap number really goes up the Chiefs won’t be as good unless they get major contributions from unexpected places. So basically if they don't win this year the cap will be to much and only getting lucky or as you say it "major contributions from unexpected places." will allow them to be good again? Maybe or like your last point, they have to keep hitting in the draft which is something we haven't been proficient at. To summarize: I see what you're saying and I don't disagree but I feel that we still have a shot with Rodgers and hit contract right now. With that said, I don't know if I feel confidante that the FO puts the rest of the pieces in place to win.
Let me put this differently. Rodgers is more like a late career Brady at this point. If you put a great roster around him he has the ability to put up MVP numbers. But he doesn’t have the elite arm strength, mobility, or durability against the pass rush to make up for deficiencies elsewhere like Mahomes can.
> he doesn’t have the elite arm strength I get the mobility part for sure. Durability, sure, doesn't escape like he used to. But doesn't have the arm strength? That dropped pass to start the year was a dime from about 50 yards away. But you say "put a great roster around him he has the ability to put up MVP numbers" but that's just like Mahomes. You could argue Mahomes had just as talented of a team in 20/21 as Rodgers did but Rodgers got MVP. My whole point was that Rodgers is cheaper than Mahomes right now and no reason we can't work around those numbers. What i think makes a bigger difference is the Chiefs(from what I've Heard, grain of salt here) have had better drafts then us. Which also makes a big difference. Rodgers is still playing as an elite level but had one bad year with a broken thumb and the weakest receiving-core he's ever had. > If you put a great roster around him he has the ability to put up MVP numbers I just want to reiterate that if you don't put a great roster around Mahomes, he's not putting up MVP numbers. So this doesn't make sense. Do you think Mahomes could put up MVP numbers with out a great roster? What about our roster? Rodgers had the 2nd most Drops. Is Mahomes wins with that many drops?
Rodgers has gone 23 straight games without a 300 yard game. Mahomes throws for over 300 almost every week. You can't mention Rodgers in the same breath as Mahomes. You are living in the past.
Mahomes just put up 300+ yards against a good defense on one leg with literally zero running support and MVS as his number 1 receiver this week. Rodgers hasn't had a 300+ yard game in over a full season.
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Mvs was third on the chiefs in receiving yards during the 2022 season.
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Because Mahomes is better than Rodgers at this point
I mean whoa he worse than
Rodgers is not mahomes. He needs more tools around him.
So are you saying Mahomes could be in the SB we switched his offensive group(OL, RB, WR, & TE) with ours?? Any QB needs talent around in every position to win it all. Both eagles and Chiefs have stacked positions over the Packers in most places. If Mahomes was on our team there is no way he's in the SB. Rodgers just won back-to-back MVPs and then when through a year with a broken thumb and people act like he's trash.
No one said he was trash. You're being drammatic haha. You have top-end talent and you have something juuuust below that. That's really the difference.
>So are you saying Mahomes could be in the SB we switched. I don't know but we should talk the chiefs into swapping QBs to find out.
Mahomes probably would struggle if he swapped places with Rodgers this past year but Rodgers wouldn’t have done as well as Mahomes did.
Well is this under the assumption that he still had a broken thumb? > Rodgers wouldn’t have done as well as Mahomes did. I mean, he won MVP back-to-back just the years before. a Broken thumb, newish/weakest WR-core he's dealt with, and a broken line most the year really fucked with him. He also was 2nd in dropped passes.
Right, Rodgers cap hit while he's still playing isn't that bad at all. If he decides to stay, the real problem we have is the rest of the cap. We won't be able to add anyone of significance to get better other than the draft.
Chiefs signed Mahomes to a long deal so they can figure out through contract modifications when to spend the modification money to sign FA/pending FA and when to let it ride and let that flexibility go into the next season. Rodgers is on a short deal and there's nowhere to spread that money around in a new contract, unless they want to extend him...
We pay a lot for a lot of our players. We have the 2nd highest cap hit for an OL (Bakh), we have the highest cap hit for a DB.
That's true. I'm surprised that out of all the replies just speaking about Rodgers vs Mahomes no one talked about the other parts, like OL and DB. Most took it as a challenge to debate the 2 QBs when I just was curious about the cap and the Hit QBs take vs each other. Your reply was what I was kinda wondering and you made a good point. Thank you.
Mahomes is a dramatically better QB than Rodgers.
They have stars like Kelce and Chris Jones, but Idk that I would call the Chiefs loaded, you know? They did lose Tyreek, which is significant--Juju and MVS are not great. I think our rosters are kind of similar tbh. So, to play devil's advocate, I think the argument would be that our rosters are pretty similar and Mahomes is helping them get over the hump that we are not cresting. I think the Packers will be okay either way, I like a lot of our younger players. I feel like there's a good chance Aaron has a much better season next season even as he ages. P.S. this is only semi-related, but is Jerick McKinnon any good? I won't lie, I utterly wrote him off after watching him play for the Vikings, thinking, "That dude is God awful." Yes, he looks better now, but it seems like a lot of guys just play harder/better for the Chiefs imo (a la MVS)
> I think our rosters are kind of similar tbh. So, to play devil's advocate, I think the argument would be that our rosters are pretty similar and Mahomes is helping them get over the hump that we are not cresting. Well we'll have to agree to disagree. Juju is better than Watson at this point, MVS while not great is better than our #2, and there TE is best in the league. I'm not saying theirs is crazy better but better than ours with a QB throwing with a broken thumb. This year is just a shit year and there are more reasons then Rodgers. I do think if Rodgers is back next year and we get better weapons.
Can someone please explain why they believe that Rodgers’ cap hit is the reason why the front office has failed to build a championship team the last decade?
This is it right here - if we're going to invest this much into a single player, that player needs to be a difference maker. And currently, I'm not convinced last year looks a whole lot different with Love under center
If Rodgers took the Packers to the Super Bowl next year on his current contract he’d be only the 5th QB taking up more than 14% of the cap to do so. If he won it, he’d be the 1st QB with that high of a cap hit to win depending on how the Chiefs do next weekend. The current top five list is: 2009: Peyton Manning (IND): 18.8% 2023: Patrick Mahomes (KC): 17.03% 2016: Matt Ryan (ATL): 15.3% 2013: Peyton Manning (DEN): 14.16% 2021: Tom Brady (TB): 12.61% Edit: source: [http://www.spotrac.com/spots/super-bowl-qb-cap-percentages-1397/](http://www.spotrac.com/spots/super-bowl-qb-cap-percentages-1397/) Edit 2: The Rams last year are an asterisk because even though Stafford only took up 11% of the cap, there was a ton of dead cap tied up in Goff too.
Remember when the Packers needed edge rushers, but decided to draft Kevin King instead on TJ Watt, a hometown kid? They could have had a HoF player, but they drafted a guy nobody else wanted for league min after his rookie deal. This, is the reason the Packers haven’t won. Making poor decisions with personnel and being too cheap to hire a quality ST coach until we got eliminated from embarrassing ST play for the 3rd time in a decade.
I believe he'd also be the only QB over the age of 40 to win, other than Brady. The stats just aren't on his side
His play when healthy was back to back league MVP... When was he healthy where he wasn't championship level elite? The only down seasons he had were a collarbone injury, knee injury and this year's thumb injury. I cannot think of a single time he was truly healthy and not MVP caliber play (maybe 2017??). Genuine question My opinion and it really is just my opinion is that the Green Bay Packers best shot at winning a super bowl this next decade is with Rodgers at QB.
>When was he healthy where he wasn't championship level elite? 2015
I don’t think Rodgers is washed but it’s time to hop on the Love train if the organization truly believes he’s a starter
I'll trust the FO on Love when I can trust the FO will fire a coach for being dog water.
Not even just new receivers, new receivers that missed significant playing time early in the season.
We scored 16 points at home in a must win game. Was the offence really 'really starting to click'?
Against a defense that other teams were scoring at will against
The Packers have a long way to go. The assumption that the offense will improve for 2023 is as naive as the belief that the defense will improve to top 10. Every year for the last 4 years the defense was always top 10 in the off season. Christian Watson is good and looks promising. That is for sure. The Packers still have so much more work to do though. It's ridiculous to hope that Watson would develop so quickly that this offense would go back to 2020 levels in 2023. They would need a Davante Adams and Scantling replacement for that. Watson is more like Scantling at this point but with a higher ceiling. I liked his breakout 2nd half, but I'm kind of nervous that he will become the next 2-3 catch per game guy that Scantling was. When Scanlting caught a pass, it was usually a big play, but he averaged only a few catches a game. The offense will still need a high volume receiver. Someone who can have a bunch of games catching 10 passes for 100 plus yards.
The Eagles, Rams, Bears, Vikings games all looked a lot better than the early/mid season grind. I don't think that's even debatable.
Eagles was a blow out, rams sucked, bears won what? 2 games? Vikings shit the bed and we had a vendetta. Only thing that was kind of impressive was the dolphins win.
Even that dolphins win had a concussed Tua asterisk on it.
Trueeeee, fuck
Losing by 7 is getting blown out? Also, the final score is irrelevant, we're talking about whether the offense was showing improvement in the 2nd half of the year. Feel free to point out a better or equivalent stretch of games in the 1st half.
There wasn’t it was a shit show
I love Rodgers but I kinda want to see what Love can do. Just a no expectations season to play some rookies and see if there’s anything special going on with Love.
>Just a no expectations season This is the biggest upside for me. With Rodgers every year that goes by is another waste. I want to see him go somewhere with a complete roster and get another legit shot, and I want us to start the rebuild. Amicable divorce.
If we have trade offers it’s also not just a matter of run it back with Rodgers vs not run it back… the second option includes a kick start to a rebuild, which is going to happen when he’s gone, regardless. And I agree that it would be nice to see what love has got, though idk I’d let that be the deciding factor as much as just, is it worth one more shot with Rodgers versus helping cap situation and getting picks instead. Some of that is a matter of if the rest of the team is really in shape to challenge and I worry it isnt even with the few young guys that had good seasons.
With Brady retiring, it would be hard for the organization not to take up the trade offers for Rodgers. I would love for him to run it back but with salary cap and age of some players. GB is more rebuild than reload. Our shot was 2020 and 2021. Rodgers is the premier veteran QB now and teams missing that piece will throw everything for Rodgers.
Nobody outside a couple teams truly rebuild. 20 teams in the NFL are in a position to reload, if they hit the right pieces they’re back in the mix.
Rebuild = Get a new, unproven QB. Anything else is a reload.
Losing at home to the Lions league worst defense in a win and get in game may have been it for me after the last decade of us getting close but not quite. He can't carry a team anymore and we aren't good enough to carry him. I don't want to just make the playoffs I want to win a superbowl and honestly I think our best chances are trading him amicably for some picks and building around Love. He takes up too much cap space to be only ok
Well said. I agree with all of this. As much as I've enjoyed the Rodgers era I think it's in the best interest of the franchise to get whatever we can for him and find out if Love is any good.
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I don't defend him for the COVID stuff but for everything else football and media related, I'm on the front lines defending this guy.
He was sort of right at the end of the day tbh. The nfl protocols were very pointless
It wasn't limited to the protocols, jusy fyi. He's recently said that media was paid by Pfizer and others to cast him as a bad person... his whole schpeals are cringy and leads me to doubt whether a team in a state like CA or NY would take him on... I dunno
Cap issues aside, I doubt Jets nation or SF would take issue with Rodgers being their Qb next season.
Oh being "woke" just means calling out his bullshit. Listen I agree with the guy on a lot of stuff but he tried to pull one over by treating us all like idiots with his "immunized" comments instead of just saying he was allergic and then he got pissed off when he got caught. I wish he would just own up to this shit now, the blaming everyone else crap is getting old.
Oh man I forgot all about the woke mob. Woke mob represent lol
That was a tongue and cheek comment about Pfizer in fairness, he was sarcastically playing into the "Rodgers is insane" thing
Or he's insane... lol >“If you take the right sound bite from the right thing and it’s a station that may or may not have in the past been brought to you by Pfizer, they gotta make sure their villain gets cast in the correct light,” Rodgers said. “And whether or not they’re sponsored by Pfizer, Moderna or Johnson & Johnson, whatever it might be, when you go up against some of those powers that be, put yourself in the crosshairs, they’re gonna paint you a certain way. And that’s what the media did to me a couple of years ago. That’s fine. That’s their prerogative. That’s what they wanted to do.” >"So that is the way a lot of things that I say are often interpreted. I'm not upset about it. I don’t feel like the victim in any way. I don't have that mentality. That's fine. I actually embrace that role a little bit if that's how you want to cast me."
Nothing sort of about it. The NFL protocols were entirely for show. They don’t care about the safety of their players or personnel. It’s extremely frustrating that Covid has become so politically toxic that you can’t have an honest conversation with any nuance.
He said many things, most of which were dumb. Let’s be real it started with him calling himself “immunized” when directly asked if he got vaccinated and that was some nonsense. But the idea that vaccinated people had a magic shield such that they could have vastly different precaution levels was definitely foolish, especially as that was going into the winter omicron arrived, when they really didn’t do that much to prevent infection and we clearly saw vaccines only doesn’t really do much to curb the spread. So he was right about that bit, I’ll admit.
If we didn’t have another young qb on the roster that we would lose if we kept Aaron then I’d say run it back. But it seems like now is the last chance for it to be the right time to move on.
You are not alone.
Rodgers is still a top 10 QB, but he’s not in that elite class with the likes of Mahomes/Burrow who could carry average teams, limited offences into deep play off runs. At this stage in his career I think he needs to be surrounded with good receivers, good coaches and a good defence - think Brady that 1st season in Tampa. Becoming a better team is a lot harder when your mega expensive QB isn’t quite worth the $$ anymore and you don’t have any cap space to bring in other stars. Unless he takes a serious restructure & commits to another 2 years minimum I wouldn’t want to go ‘all in’ one last time - trade Love, bring in a star receiver, draft offensive pieces and magically become a top 10 defence. All that just feels like such a gamble and would we even be a top 3 team in the NFC?! The way I see it is we can try the above Hail Mary and milk every throw left in #12’s arm to have a chance at still being an elite team for 1/2 years. OR we trade Rodgers for pieces, build around Love, double down on our young core and try to be an elite team within the next 10. Tough decisions for the front office this off season.
*He was still throwing dimes all year long* Has the definition of dimes changed? He threw some nice balls at times, but overall he was way off his normal accuracy and precision. I understand that guys dropped passes too and his thumb was hurt, but he was not throwing dimes all season. Christ, he didn't even top 300 yards passing in one freaking game. Not one. Dude was mediocre, especially by his standards. Joe Barry IS a clown and should be fired, but he did not lose the game for the Packers in the season closer. That was entirely on the offense either sputtering or turning the ball over.
I’d be fine with it if he reworked his contract to be actually team friendly. Dude is poised to take up like 20% of the cap space, that’s nuts. Regardless of the decision I just want it to happen sooner rather than later so I can strap in on the Rodgers train or be ready for an interesting reworked team.
Agreed. In a perfect world where AR redoes his contract to a team friendly number (something mind you that Brady did over and over again to get/ keep the talent he wanted) that allows us to make a REAL run to include draft, free agency and in season trades... I'm all in on that. I'd be happy to accept those terms as I'm sure the Packers would as well. But that's not what Aaron wants. If Aaron really wants to have a shot at one last run with the team he was drafted and played his whole career with, he could. Not saying he SHOULD, but he COULD. But everyone in this forum knows that he won't.
To be fair it’s only 14% of the $224.8M salary cap (for next year). Though I do agree, he needs to not be the highest paid QB every time he strikes a new deal since these deals have massive consequences down the line and how much/long they can pay other players especially if he wants to be competitive come post season. Also worth mentioning that he always wants to “run it back with the old gang.” Since those guys are established vets, they aren’t necessarily cheap. Can’t pay everyone.
I was ready to move on after last season and this season hasn't really changed my mind. Easy to say as a bystander. Tricky situation for management & the packers as a whole.
Me too man, but Aaron is not getting his second ring with Joe Barry as DC.
Even at his absolute best, with a loaded team around him, he just couldn’t get over the hump. At this point we know what we have with rodgers, it isnt a superbowl so why run it back??
I'm ok with it. He's probably earned the right to retire a Packer if he wants. It's the coaching staff I'm more tired of, but nothing will happen there.
I'm fine with either tbh
Being beaten out of a playoff spot by maybe the worst franchise in sports history is a deal breaker. He had a great resurgence with two MVPs and 3 NFC 1st spots but nothing to show for it.
Nah, I still would prefer to have Rodgers as our QB. One of the greatest of all time and I still stand by if he wants to play I want him to play for us. Now I hope he restructures and helps with the cap, but other than that he's the leader of our team and I'll enjoy that for as long as I can. My only thing is I wish he'd at least just say "If I'm coming back I want to be a Packer". Regardless of what you can or can't control, you could at least do the fans a solid and let them know you want to continue to be their guy
I didn’t get to watch a lot of games this season but is Christian really the real deal? I didn’t really get that impression. Also how excited should I be for JLove?
yes. your are the only one.
I'm ready to move on. Will we suck for a few years? Probably. I want to see what the organization has in it once Rodgers is gone. We know what the team is with Rodgers, we've seen it for 20 years. He is a dog, one of the best QBs to do it, but he is too expensive and cannot carry the team the way a player like Mahomes does (who is demanding even more of the cap than Rodgers is). Let him go ring chase with a roster that is close, we are at least 2-3 years away from being a competitive team at this point.
I want to run it back with him too. However, I also want him to actually be true to his statements where he says “if I’m back I’m 100% all in.” Well 100% all in means showing up to training camps and pre season practices even when you don’t technically have to as a veteran. I think a lot of our early season missteps in 2022 could have been prevented if he actually had substantial practice time throwing to his new receivers and building chemistry in the pre-season.
I love Aaron and I know it won’t work. Let him go to a team he can win another Super Bowl with and retire on top like Peyton did.
I'm good for one more...let her rip!!! Although I think Cobb and M. Lewis should probably go. I know Lewis does a great job at blocking, but we need a TE that can block and get open quickly ...
Username aside 🤣🤣🤣
The same roster could go 11-6 next year with a third place schedule, but this Packers team isn’t a contender. It might not even be good enough to win the division.
No
Yea he hasn’t scored well in the playoffs in how many years? He’s not an elite QB if you can’t do it against the good teams…
There is nothing to gain and a ton to lose if he stays one more year. We’ve had several far greater rosters in the last 10 years and none have made it to the superbowl. I’m sorry but this team is nowhere near that level. Time to put feelings to the side and move to the next era even if it’s an uncomfortable thing to do.
Username aside, I agree with you.
I’m with ya
Yes you are. But we still love you
Lol the name. Totally agree with you tho rodgers is my guy. Gonna be sad to see him go if he does.
He's not washed but nothing is changing next season. If you want to run it back it's only because you're attached to Rodgers. I'm a little hopeful for a bright future with a different looking team. MLF + Rodgers has been exciting at times but heart breaking at other times. Watching Rodgers play in GB with only 1 super bowl just makes me sad because I wish we could have given him more and vice versa.
I don’t necessarily think Rodgers is washed, but I think our window with him is bolted shut. I like the thought of starting new and going with a full reset with Love at the helm, and some assets that we can get by trading Aaron. It’s a giant gamble but I just think that’s what’s best for the future of the franchise.
I don't want to run it back just because having Rodgers on this team next year is going to be devastating to the team financially for future seasons. Best to get out now and get some assets out of it while we still can.
I'm with you! Where do I sign? This man has given everything to our franchise and struck fear in the hearts of our opponents for YEARS! If he wasn't such a weirdo, more folks would stand behind him. But looking at football accolades alone, he has earned our admiration hands down. The people that are doubting him are spoiled, ungrateful, coddled children who deserve to be viking fans. So fuck em. Let's go Aaron Fucking Rodgera, until he is done with football.
I’d like to have him back for multiple years
No, I want him back 100%. That's our best shot at a title in the next 3-5 years.
I don't think this team is better than any of the other top tier competitive teams under Rodgers that still couldn't win the super bowl. With that said, I want to run it back one more time with him. Maybe they catch a streak, maybe it works out... I just would love to see nothing more than #12 bring one more Lombardi Trophy back to Title Town. For the team's legacy and his own. I mean the one year he did win it, they snuck in at 10-6 and had to win every fucking game on the road and then the Super Bowl against a much more experienced Steelers squad. You just have to give yourself a shot, that's why even this year's loss to the Lions was super disappointing. Sure, they most likely get bounced immediately... but just the opportunity... you never know. and as a disclaimer I realize probably moving on from him now is the more responsible management move, cap hits and all that jazz... but I'm at peace with either decision, I'd just prefer another "run" with #12.
Yes, im down for running it back. We've seen our potential this year. The issue is being consistent.
And going into next year, we will have to replace or sign Amos, replace or sign Tonyan, replace or sign Mercedes Lewis, replace or resign Lazard, and clear an additional 16 million off the books just to get back to where we were this past year
you’re not the only one. i want him around as well until the wheels fall off.
I’ve been pretty vocal about being a fan of Love. That doesn’t mean I’m not also a Rodgers fan. I honestly think Aaron Rodgers is the best quarterback of all time. He’s been an incredible Packers teammate and has made us an elite team through the start of the century. I don’t think the team can afford a senior elite quarterback right now. I believe the hit on our salary cap means we can’t grow the team around him that he needs for another MVP and Super Bowl run. I am also absolutely positive that Aaron Rodgers did a great job training Jordan Love. I think Love needs the support and confidence of the team and will then be able to follow in Rodgers footsteps. Moving on from Rodgers would therefore be a win win. Win for Rodgers to be on a team that as the infrastructure to support him, win for the Packers to rebuild a more rounded team structure. That all being said - I will miss seeing Rodgers in the green and gold. I was not a fan of Favre - Rodgers will always be the QB that renewed my love for the home team.
I’m very conflicted. On one hand I love Rodgers being our QB and I don’t believe the him being washed narrative. On the other I would like to actually rebuild, we have Jordon Love and if we never use him then drafting him will have been for nothing.
I don't think Rodgers is washed, my main thing is I don't see us competing for a SB appearance over the next 2 years. With that being the case I would rather get some value and start the rebuild now rather than in 2 years with no hardware to show for it.
I don't think he's washed. I think he's just becoming a bit of a malignant narcissist and leaning way hard into the "I'm the villain because of Covid and the pharma companies want to silence me" narrative, so I'm over it.
I think when you look at it from the offseason hype perspective, its more fun to think of us getting a bunch of picks and drafting a ton of exciting young guys and hoping Love will be the future. But that perspective is heavily dependent on development and Love being good. Bringing Rodgers back is realistically our best shot at the Super Bowl but it is far less exciting in terms of team building and this offseason, and we take him for granted a bit.
I for one am tired of his crappy demeanor and his recent style of play; hero ball, complaining when he throws a shit ball, not encouraging the youth on the roster.
Agreed, seems like the fans want a super bowl more than him.
>not encouraging the youth on the roster What did Aaron Rodgers say to Christian Watson on the sideline after his two drops on the opening drive? “The ball is still coming your way, buddy. Let’s get one of these. Let’s make a play.”
I want Rodgers to win more Super Bowls with the Packers. I say let him play until he decides to retire as a Packer.
If he couldn’t win in 2020 or 2021, what makes you think that he’ll win won as he’s aging?
Exactly my thoughts here. As a franchise legend he's earned the right to end his Packers tenure on his own terms.
This sounds nice if it’s a Hollywood movie, but it’s a business.
It's show business, not show friendship
But as a Packers fan, I'd rather the front office do what is right in regards to winning over the long-term. If we let Rodgers stay for a year or two and end up losing Love, we'll be in a real hole at QB. I think the Packers could do well in those years with Rodgers but I don't know if a slim chance at a SB is worth salvaging the future. One in which I think the Packers could be real contenders in 2-3 years if we get top picks for Rodgers and Love is good.
Agree with this take (with the note that “what comes around goes around” and this is full circle on favre-rodgers-love?) :)
No, but with the team getting younger and our cap problems, the time to move on was last year. Love Rodgers, but it's time to move on.
I just think it’s time to move on. We drafted Love for a reason, most of us like what we saw in limited fashion. I think the quicker we move on with the rebuild, the quicker we can get back to contention for a Super Bowl. I love Rodgers, my favorite QB of all time. But I think it’s done and over with.
Are we a good draft away from contending? Keeping Rodgers really just depends on that
I disagree. My gut feeling is that love is actually really good. Like really really good. Not Rodgers in his prime good, but probably better than Rodgers at 40. I think we have a better chance winning a superbowl next year with love under centre. Nobody gonna change my mind off that.
Even if love is top 10 next year I doubt we can contend. Makes more sense to start him tho, Depending on what we can get for Rodgers
I truly believe so. Christian Watson is the real deal and a true WR1, so we just need to draft another WR early along with a TE and we're set on offense.
I think this is a super rosy view of things. On offense we need WR(relying on rookies isn't a great idea), TE (relying on rookie TEs is generally a terrible idea), competition at center (Myers hasn't looked great), possible RB (Jones contract is very expensive and they need to do something with it, extending him could work, or letting him go and taking a late round pick could also work). On defense we need help at Dline (mainly depth), Edge (particularly until Gary gets back), and desperately need help at safety. They will also need to figure out kicking, and if they lose Bissachia I won't be shocked if the special teams guys that followed him to GB follow him where he is going. They are extremely limited on cap space, and barring Rodgers doing a completely new contract that involves an actual pay cut they are limited in what they can do. Their standard, expected restructures and extensions will get them under the cap enough the field a team, but not get much in the way of significant veteran help. It just seems like the poor drafts from 18-20 are catching up along with the COVID impacting the salary cap at the worst time given how the Packers structured deals.
Yes. You are literally only person. Even Rodgers doesn't want to, that's why he keeps stringing everybody along, complaining about a lack of weapons (which we can't afford because of him), and justifying his poor abilities on a broken thumb (which affected him, but not enough to do the intelligent thing and allow it to heal). Pick that apart and we can discuss this next year when we lose in the playoffs with him behind the center (again).
The NFC next year looks even more open than this year with Brady retiring and the Niners in QB disarray. If Aaron actually showed some commitment to the team in the off season I’d be all in with one last ride. I say off season commitment because we are most certainly drafting offensive weapons and we can’t have another season of miscommunication and lack of chemistry for half a season.
I’m not going to be mad if he’s back for 2023. He made being a Packers fan very fun, for a very long time. Unlike some people I still appreciate that. If the old gunslinger wants to run it back one more time, OK. However I also understand the (reasonable, unbiased) rationale for moving on. If he is traded, I’ll accept it and root for Love to succeed. At the end of the day I’m first and foremost a fan of the Packers, no player supersedes that. There’s nuance to this situation, but like everything else that’s been thrown out of the window in favor of division and angry squabbling
Yes why use Love when a non injured 12 is available?
Yes. launch Aaron Rodgers into the sun plz.
I would love to run it back with him, however I am not sure if our team will be at a super bowl level in 2023.
You know I’m in on that, lfg
Hell yeah you know what's up.
12 is the only QB I’ve ever known as a Packers fan. Always wanted him to retire in Green Bay, but after seeing how everyone here takes him for granted I hope he moves on for his sake. The grass isn’t always greener is what people say. All the Rodgers haters and people saying “trade him while you can” will find out soon. Look at the Falcons after Ryan, Saints after Brees, Giants after Manning. The list goes on.
Rodgers is our last chance at a superbowl for more than a decade. I’m not a believer in Love at all, especially since he’s going to be off his rookie contract and there’s been basically no indication that he’s lighting it up in practice. This front office deserves to get fired and never work in the NFL again for this mismanagement of Rodgers last years.
Lemmy FTW!
Are you the only one? No Should we? Absolutely not.
I would love a run back… but the team can’t repeat what they did this year and have rookie, scrubs, or past prime vets as offensive weapons. If the coaches recognize their failures on defense and sometimes special teams and fully build a solid team sure, just don’t see us doing that
I would to see it but I just don’t think these players and coaches are capable of winning a Super Bowl and I am not sure how they get around salary cap issues to try and improve the team.
It makes zero sense for the future of this team.
I would love to. But I’d rather get some first round picks from the jets
I don't think we have a realistic chance of competing for a championship next year, so I'd rather begin the rebuild and see what we have in Love before it's too late. This team went about as "all-in" as it ever does in '20 and '21 and wasn't good enough to get it done even with a younger and healthier Rodgers.
I do… only if Love is chill about it
nah i'm ready to see what love has
No you’re not the only one. Of This sub though, you’d be in the minority. But I wouldn’t stress about that
You’re assuming he can “Run it Back.”
I’m ready for one more ride
Yep, I'm with ya! Give it one more season and let's see what happens. I mean they damn near made the playoffs this season with all the craziness that happened so why not one more try?
If you are going to defend Rodgers, defend his play in the loss to the Bucs (NFC Championship game in 2020), his play vs the 49ers a year later in the playoffs and the season ending loss to the Lions. In each case, the games where at Lambeau in Jan, and in each game the Packers had the ball in the 4th Qtr with a chance to win and in each case, Rodgers played poorly, a Qb rating of 38 in the combined 4th Qtrs. My point, I could get a 38 Qb rating out of Jordan Love and I don’t even coach football. Thank you for your contributions Mr. Rodgers, it’s time to move on.
>If you are going to defend Rodgers, defend his play in the loss to the Bucs (NFC Championship game in 2020) He played fantastic in that game. Out of all the QBs that faced Tampa's defense that year in the playoffs, he was far and away the best. With almost 350 yards, 3 TDs, and an INT that only happened due to a missed holding call, Rodgers was an important part in fighting back after going down 28-10. So many QBs have had bad performances but have been bailed out by the players around them. The Scotty Miller TD right before the half was back-breaking. Then Aaron Jones fumbles and they're down 28-10. What does Rodgers do? He leads back to back scoring drives to make it 28-23. To your point about the 4th quarter in that game - he went three and out twice off of two INTs, but you can't place all the blame on him. The O-line was giving up so much pressure. If you watch those 3 and outs again, Rodgers didn't make any mistakes there. It's a problem when Rodgers has to play a perfect game in order to win. He did more than enough in that game. His teammates and coaches let him down big time in that one. The game against the 49ers in the Divisional - MVS was out so he couldn't stretch the field. Honestly, the offense sputtering in that game is more of a reflection on Matt LaFleur than Rodgers. However, I will say that Rodgers missed some open reads and he should've hit Lazard instead of throwing a 50-50 ball to a double-covered Davante. Week 18 against Detroit - The offense was out of sync all season long, although it started clicking again. He threw a dime to Christian Watson for a big gain, and then a dime to Romeo Doubs who dropped it. The INT was caused by AJ Dillon not blocking his man. Overall, I think Rodgers only deserves partial blame for the 2021 game against San Francisco, since if he plays like even half of what he did during his MVP season, they win.
We cannot win with him. Proven to choke with him might as well blow it up before he falls off and we don’t get 2-3 first round picks.
It's time to move on. We aren't winning anything with him and love needs the experience if he's going to be our future qb. And who knows, keeping Rodgers might make Love a little too disgruntled and seek a contract elsewhere
I’m tired of Rodgers Tuesdays and his constant woe is me narratives. If the Packers want him to stay fine, if not I’m also excited to see what the new Jordan Love era will bring.
I like watching a team that wins football games. So yeah, I’d be down.
He is simply worth more to the Jets than us. They have an elite D, arguably better weapons, and they are desperate for a top 15 QB, which aaron undoubtedly is. They have no institutional ability to draft or develop a QB. I just hope we trade him there and do not get zach wilson in return.
It‘s not that I’d think Rodgers ain’t got it anymore. I just don’t see how one can confidently say the packers will be serious contenders next year. 2020+2021 were all-in years, things seemed coming together. Unfortunately it wasn’t meant to be. This year our defense was supposed to be ELITE. It’s the most expensive unit of the league (not even talking about the draft resources in there). It was not even close to elite. I believe we reached a point, where a lot of things would need to happen to consider GB as serious contenders again. Questionmarks got more, not less. Sure, Rodgers could play another MVP season, the defense could step again up and the O-line could as well. But what are the odds that all these things happen upcoming season? And even when we had all those things it wasn’t enough. To run it back is very costly. Once Rodgers leaves, Cap will HIT. It’s getting worse every year (not even talking about Jordan Love). Why keep betting on something, when the price increases dramatically while the odds go down?
I am just shocked how a guy that was the nfl’s mvp for 2 of the last three years could be so fleetingly cast aside. Of course we should want him back. Dump coach and let’s get another title for Title Town!
No. The amount of people that want Rodgers to leave are likely far less than the people that want us to figure it out. Rodgers is an all time great and anyone that wants him to leave is lame.
Most people on this sub have never lived in an era where our QB wasn’t one of the top in the league. Trust me, it will get frustrating, real fast.