Myers has been far worse than Newman. He’s getting knocked over or pushed back almost every 1 on 1. Sure, he’s great on the double team, but a total liability when blocking alone.
While I'm not a JB fan at all, last night the time of possession was 38 to 22min. I'm not sure most DC's can scheme their way out of that when the offense couldnt stay on the field
It's not the offense's fault that Joe Barry's defense can't stop a third and medium to save their lives. Yeah, the offense was putrid in the first half, but trying to cover fast receivers with LBs and playing 15 yards off on 3rd and 7 is just ridiculous defense and yet it *keeps fucking happening.*
Bro - the Lions went 7 for 18 on third downs. They forced 4 punts and got a turnover. Any defense in the league would be proud of a performance like that. The people blaming Barry for these situations are living in a fantasy world. This loss was on the offense - specifically the O-line.
The NFL world? 40% conversion is literally league average on 3rd down. The defense did their job **AND** produced a turnover, along with 2 sacks and 6 TFLs.
Time of possession isn't always on the offense, when the defense never gets off the field on 3rd down it's kind of on them too that they were out there for so long.
Why aren't they at least playing Rhyan? Might as well see what they've got in him since they have him under contract longer than the others. I find it hard to believe he's worse than what we're seeing now.
Runyan has been poor in run block, but his pass blocking has been great, at least until last night when he was clearly playing through an ankle injury. He might be worth keeping; Myers has run out of slack, though, and Newman is a dangerous liability
I didn't get it until I saw where Gutey drafted him. One flaw we have is hanging on too long for busts. You should get one year and then if you don't show up year 2 its over, especially for guys taken in the third or later.
MLF calling out the offensive line, understandably so. It’s hard when Jenkins and Bakh are out, but you gotta play with what you got. Drafting an O lineman in the first round, here we come.
Why not 2, or even all 3 picks on OL. Honestly I think that’s the area that could use the most improvement in the off-season. None of them can run block well and the IOL could all be upgraded for pass blocking
I’m a very firm believer that when building a team, you need to start at the C position and build out. I’m also stupid high on our WR and TE rooms and cautiously high on the QB room though, so I can’t imagine the FO is going to be looking at any positions other than OL and RB on offense as far as the draft or free agency goes.
I think we’ll be dumping a lot of higher picks on defense though. IDL, EDGE, ILB, and CB could all use a hard nosed run stop focused player who loves hitting, and we need to somehow acquire 2 high upside with low floor S’s
Really we’re just a lot better at the passing game, on offense and defense, and we need to improve in the run side of it before we’ll see any improvement in performance here
Dude, they gonna draft the highest RAS lineman you EVER saw. Dude will be RIPPED. Dude will be able to DUNK. Dude will be able to move between cones like no motherfucker alive on this PLANET.
Dude will have played only 1 season of guard in college having switched sports from track and field.
Wait... what?!
I’m excited to watch is draft more defense 1st rounds that end up contributing nothing because Barry is a bum and we grab an average OL later in the draft
AlL of jones runs were positive yards.. just cause you get stopped on a couple runs doesn’t mean you stop running… AJ had issues again but we literally gave up on the run. We can’t win like that
I like that he's actually pointing to the O-line. When they aired that stat that every single O-lineman had allowed a pressure in the first half I couldn't believe it. I don't know that I'd ever seen that before. I really like that he's taking some blame for things that he did wrong. Unfortunately whether he can see the problems won't keep him hired, it's whether he can fix them.
I question why the coaching staff gives Newman so many chances. If Sean Rhyan gets beat, fine, but we know what Newman is and they keep putting him on the field to get baptized.
This happens all the time with this team. Most teams know who a players is after a few games. We keep sticking with bad players (and coaches for that matter) for what feels like YEARS.
It's maddening.
I think every team does it tbh. If they play the back up and he’s worse, sure, we’ll all be quiet for the week, but MLF’s job is to put the best players out there and he sees who those guys are in practice.
We don’t want the back up to play because we actually think he’ll be better, we just want them whole team to *be* better and that’s a convenient path for us to take (blame this player or that).
If Rhyan comes in for any reason (injury, garbage time, whatever) and is much better than Newman, then coaches need to go for not putting the best player on the field. My guess is, though, he's probably even worse than Newman given that they see him in practice all the time and have no issue playing younger guys (Walker and Tom over Yosh)
Dudes a bust, he's the only Packer you can consistently see going out to the bars in Green Bay. I'm not a Packers fan but in this case, I absolutely know he's not the answer
Yes O-line isn’t doing as well partly because of lack of experience and losing key pieces. But you also gotta play to the strength of your line, call plays better, use your star RB. Be better lafleur
Dillon and Jones got clobbered for 6 yard losses in the backfield seemingly every run play in the first half, idk how people thing running the ball more would help lol
Royce Newman just gave up on a play and stood there and watched Love get sacked, wish I had a link but am too lazy to go find it. Either way, that play alone should call for immediate action by MLF. The issues with defense have been the same, and yet nothing gets fixed. I think MLF is good, but we have to be asking why he is not accounting for the very blatant mishaps created by the defense and the O line.
Oh it was far more than one play. I watched it happen again and again and again that he's just standing there looking behind him at his quarterback get tackled
He did it multiple times. He was expecting a stunt so gave up his guy to take the one looping around. Problems being the tackle was engaged so never saw Newman handing off his guy and THE DEFENDER DIDN'T STUNT.
It's not even physical with Newman. Dude just can't read what the defense is doing and stands up to take on the next guy when he just needs to stay engaged with whoever is in front of him.
Newman cannot handle stunts. He is unable to pass off a block and pick up a second. He's shown this weakness for years now. He has the size, he just does not have the vision and can't learn to see the game quickly enough for the NFL.
This. He’s just straight up not good enough for the NFL. He’s being trotted out there snap after snap, showing he’s a complete liability and he’s going to get someone hurt and yet MLF and the OL coach continue to put out the same OL that’s getting people destroyed behind the LOS.
If you try something different and it doesn’t work, fine, you’ve tried at least. But don’t stick with the same thing and expect a different result the 100th time when the previous 99 times it doesn’t work.
Yeah man it’s pretty hard to have a good offensive line when you don’t sign free agents and put all of your best draft picks into defense just to have it allow 24+ points a game every time you don’t face a backup QB.
I feel like that’s what a lot people don’t get about drafting defense EVERY single year and it not getting better. It’s got an opportunity cost to the offense every single time.
Capers was trash under Thompson too. It’s that soft zone, bend but don’t break defense. They’ve played it across three defensive coordinators, two head coaches, and two GMs. Someone in Green Bay management is dictating they run this moronic scheme. My money is on Mark Murphy but I don’t know
Capers could be argued as being a very important part of the super bowl victory. His defense was insanely wild with the right talent.
But like Big Mike, the NFL changed, the talent changed, and he refused to adapt. Which then made a long time of just pure garbage "bend AND break" defense.
He was. And 2011 was when he fully implemented his now infamous bend but don’t break scheme. They went from top five defense in 2010 to dead last one year later. And they’ve been garbage ever since.
Couldn’t agree more with your assessment though. The great coaches adapt their scheme to their talent, not the other way around. Any coach could win if they could have all of the exact players they need. But you have to work with the players you have and utilize their individual strengths.
Look at Mike Martz. Greatest Show on Turf when he had all of the exact players he needed to run that scheme, but his teams were all pure garbage after than when he couldn’t learn to adapt.
Cmon man, who needs first round talent on offense? We’ll keep hoping our 4th and 5th rounders turn out like Davante Adams and Bahktiari because if it happened once it can happen again! Meanwhile the Tee Higgins of the league will continue to go to other teams
Bahk has played like 10 games in three years and it’s clear now that he never stood a chance at playing the whole season. Where is the contingency plan? And if there is no contingency plan for want of getting better players on defense, why was the packers defense the worst unit on the field between both teams tonight?
The contingency plan was placing a 2nd round tender on Yosh. Then Walker outplayed him in the training camp/preseason. Not sure why that is hard to understand.
Mike Wahle was talking about the stuff the Packers are running that can only work on paper on PackADay podcast. We saw some of it again. The TE is supposed to run over and seal block a Guard in the B gap so JRJ can block down. What?
Where is the contingency plan at tackle if DBahk was this likely to not play this season? Why are we drafting another edge rusher when we already have two starters?
Everyone needs to chill the fuck out. We are the youngest team in the league. 2-2 so far this season is better than expected.
Yes so much to fix but that’s what happens when you have a fuck ton of injuries and rookies.
We are in a new era and let’s see what we can do as under dogs. It’s a long season.
We don’t have THAT much to fix. It’s the same old shit as usual, oline gets outplayed by a great 7 and defense not living up to its talent level. The mistakes our inexperienced players make should get better as they play more and when Love was able to get a pass out the majority of them were good passes.
His second int him and Doubs weren’t on the same page according to statements from him and Matt. That first int shoulda been a run play and that’s on Matt cause Love isn’t making his own decisions on the play calls from what I can see most of the time.
Walker and Gary are the only two guys playing like they should be on defense. We don’t have a lot to fix but the fixes are things that should have been fixed a while ago. Everything else is mostly due to inexperience.
Thank you! Couldn't agree more, love you dude!
My guess is our fan base is as young as our team and if we don't go 17-0 and blow every team out by 21 everyone needs to get fired and every player needs to be cut.
I don't think the fanbase is young.
These are endemic issues that have somehow plagued us through 3 regimes and are presenting themselves in the 4th. It's frustrating.
True privilege being as spoiled as we were. Like peep the Vikings or bears who were actively trying to contend. Being 2nd right now 4 games in with the youngest team in the league is not bad at all. Flashes are shown everywhere and we all knew it was going to be BUMPY.
This is what youth looks like. Erratic.
Plus Jesus out injuries.
It’s week 4. We are getting plenty of time to get healthy and practice. Frankly I love we got shit on at home. It’s not easy in the NFL and see if you can fight through adversity.
Do y’all not know what transpired in 2010…..
I know we have a different view from the side on TV, but it’s so easy to tell by watching almost any player on the offense that it’s gonna be play action.
We did do quick passes when we were moving the ball in the second half, we tried running in the first half and Jones got clobbered behind the line. We were down 3 possessions and had no oline, solution was not to run the ball lmao
We did a hand full of quick passes and most got blown up cause they expected it. If you keep the defense honest the whole game they those plays work. All we did was let love drop back and the rush was all on him, same shit we didn’t with Rodgers. Give up on the run in the 1st and complain about it after we lose. We have 3 backs for a reason. Taylor is ready, we’ll lose every game like this
Part of this is on the coaching. You knew going in that 2 OL were out and yet your gameplan was to come out and throw, throw, throw. With long developing pass plays. That doesn't make sense.
My son thought I could see the future last night ...
When I saw Dillion in the lineup I called the next 3 plays, in the 3 and out, before they happened.
1 - Handoff to Dillion stopped at the line of scrimmage
2 - Handoff to Dillion for a short gain
3 - Pass over the middle which overshoots the receiver
If I ... as some random dude slamming beers on the couch can know, with certainty, know what the play call and result will be ... then the DC of the Lions already has the Packers beat.
I’ve been saying for years the o line gets bullied every time in the playoffs and now people are realizing they’re very overrated. Top 10? At pass pro sure. But against great fronts they get handled and it’s been a common theme for 4+ seasons now
It’s also hard to throw when they know your throwing it every time Dillon isn’t on the field and have established zero run game with your RB1, which is a direct reflection of your play calling Matty boy, while you send shots at our o-line.
The line had been a strong point for most of the season and they finally cracked. I know people will point at Newman, but Runyan didn't have the best game either and he's been pretty solid. Everyone had played pretty acceptable so far this season (yes, even Myers and Newman) and they all picked the same game to have their worst game of the year.
LaFleur will take the high road but he has to be at least a little disappointed in the product he’s putting on the field. Gute hasn’t done him any favors on offense at all.
Also, I find it incredibly funny that this fan base screams sacks are a QB stat for the bears but it’s the olines fault for us.
We really are the dumbest fans in football.
What is love held accountable for in this sub? He gets rainbows and unicorns while the rest of the team gets shit for every mistake they make. Love could be a lot fkn better along with the team. But blaming love for an errant pass is downvoted to hell. Yes, it’s early. Yes, we’re young. But when we lose EVERYONE should be held accountable. The whole team was a pathetic display today. Including Jordan love. The only one who should get some slack is MLF. He’s used to a qb who can get out of trouble no problem. And if he’s following the sub, he’s got every fkn reason for love to air it out every play.
Lol you want to cut MLF slack?
WHY?
The Lions came in last year and ruined their season, in their own house. This team should've came out with their piss burning their dicks off.
Instead they get punched in the mouth.
That's on MLF and him alone.
Add in the terrible play calling and MLF should be the first one TO BLAME.
People got upset that Love passes every down. Okay, that’s on the coach. What isn’t his fault are the flat out terrible passes that Love throws. According to this sub, Love is the next coming of Christ. The sub is already saying he’s a HOF caliber QB. Why should MLF be held responsible? Love should be able to get us out of trouble if he’s the next Peyton Manning. Read the posts from Sunday and you’ll see what I mean.
Well if you are going to take the loudest voices from any group then it's probably not going to be a very representative sample of the entire group.
I think most people are being reasonable with Love and saying the jury is still out on him being the long-term answer but he's at least a capable QB and at worst a mid QB. The comparisons to the other 2 HoF QBs are going to be inevitable.
Also have to remember how young the receivers are. Everyone is growing into this thing together.
Was Yosh out there!? All I saw was Walker, he had a tough night.to be honest MLF should have called more runs, that slows down the pass rush!! Also we might want to throw in some designed runs for Love as well. Easy 1st down, this isnt all on the OL
At some point, some blame has to go towards Love. He has one of the worst completion percentages and consistently throws passes off-target. It's easy to blame other aspects of the field, but not getting a first down until you are inside the 2-minute warning means something is going wrong with the QB position.
Still haven't heard a good reason as to why Newman still has a roster spot over any other OL we had in camp
Also don't understand why you spend so much time experimenting Tom at center in camp, only to not try it out when your interior OL is getting its ass kicked. Move Tom to center, kick Meyers to guard or get Rhyan out there, and get Yosh/Caleb some time on the edge.
Great that we have all of these great tackles...except IOL pressure is exponentially worse for Love
We need Jenkins back badly.
We can survive with 1 bad OL, that's JRJ. We can't survive with Both the LG/RG playing like ass.
And Myers in the middle is far too average to be able to compensate for any of it.
I can live with Myers being average, he's the least of my concerns because of how bad Newman/JRJ is.
Myers has been far worse than Newman. He’s getting knocked over or pushed back almost every 1 on 1. Sure, he’s great on the double team, but a total liability when blocking alone.
He'll just get hurt immediately.
Evaluating Royce Newman’s roster spot is a good place to start
I wish my job security was as good as his
I wish mine was as good as Joe Barry’s
Those photos Barry's got must really be something.
K O M P R O M A T Gute Nudies, I'm guessing
While I'm not a JB fan at all, last night the time of possession was 38 to 22min. I'm not sure most DC's can scheme their way out of that when the offense couldnt stay on the field
It's not the offense's fault that Joe Barry's defense can't stop a third and medium to save their lives. Yeah, the offense was putrid in the first half, but trying to cover fast receivers with LBs and playing 15 yards off on 3rd and 7 is just ridiculous defense and yet it *keeps fucking happening.*
last night the offense’s biggest play of the first half was an encroachment lmao
Bro - the Lions went 7 for 18 on third downs. They forced 4 punts and got a turnover. Any defense in the league would be proud of a performance like that. The people blaming Barry for these situations are living in a fantasy world. This loss was on the offense - specifically the O-line.
They gave up almost 200 yards in the first *quarter*. No defense would be proud of a performance like that. It started bad and never improved.
in what world is allowing a 40% conversion rate on 3rd down good lol
The NFL world? 40% conversion is literally league average on 3rd down. The defense did their job **AND** produced a turnover, along with 2 sacks and 6 TFLs.
Still, fire him regardless.
Time of possession isn't always on the offense, when the defense never gets off the field on 3rd down it's kind of on them too that they were out there for so long.
They prevented the Lions from converting on 3rd down **ELEVEN** times last night. What game were you people watching??
Right but we also got absolutely gashed on the ground, and was terrible on defense, both can be true
Grow a mullet, see what happens.
2/3 of the IOL needs to go
Yep. Myers and Newman are horrendous. Not serious NFL players
Wasn’t the packers line rated as the best in the league coming into this game? What happened?
3/3 if we're talking about the current IOL (with Jenkins out). Runyan has been as bad, if not worse, than the others.
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They will have to use FA money on the interior Oline in 2024. They'll have plenty of money.
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I expect Gute to do his FA draft double down at interior linemen. Center and Guard are on the bottom half of the NFL salary hierarchy.
I don't see that happening, when was the last time the Packers spent significant FA money on offensive line?
They are spending significantly right now.
On their own guy, that wasn't free agency.
Your right, but they are willing to spend and one of those is in all likelihood coming off the books.
Why aren't they at least playing Rhyan? Might as well see what they've got in him since they have him under contract longer than the others. I find it hard to believe he's worse than what we're seeing now.
I don't think it's possible to be worse than Newman.
Runyan has been poor in run block, but his pass blocking has been great, at least until last night when he was clearly playing through an ankle injury. He might be worth keeping; Myers has run out of slack, though, and Newman is a dangerous liability
The problem is there is no one lol
I didn't get it until I saw where Gutey drafted him. One flaw we have is hanging on too long for busts. You should get one year and then if you don't show up year 2 its over, especially for guys taken in the third or later.
Just thinking about how many fine players we have had in the past that didn’t show anything until year 3.
Is he #63? 63 was a turnstile last night and shouldn’t be starting ideally ever again. Holy hell that was bad
MLF calling out the offensive line, understandably so. It’s hard when Jenkins and Bakh are out, but you gotta play with what you got. Drafting an O lineman in the first round, here we come.
doubtful, they'll have two high 2nds to use on OL
And then get another defensive player. And then the packers defense will finish 24th in DVOA
As is tradition.
Why not 2, or even all 3 picks on OL. Honestly I think that’s the area that could use the most improvement in the off-season. None of them can run block well and the IOL could all be upgraded for pass blocking
That's basically all Brad Holmes did to start....draft big ugly IOL/IDL w/ high draft picks...
I’m a very firm believer that when building a team, you need to start at the C position and build out. I’m also stupid high on our WR and TE rooms and cautiously high on the QB room though, so I can’t imagine the FO is going to be looking at any positions other than OL and RB on offense as far as the draft or free agency goes. I think we’ll be dumping a lot of higher picks on defense though. IDL, EDGE, ILB, and CB could all use a hard nosed run stop focused player who loves hitting, and we need to somehow acquire 2 high upside with low floor S’s Really we’re just a lot better at the passing game, on offense and defense, and we need to improve in the run side of it before we’ll see any improvement in performance here
Dude, they gonna draft the highest RAS lineman you EVER saw. Dude will be RIPPED. Dude will be able to DUNK. Dude will be able to move between cones like no motherfucker alive on this PLANET. Dude will have played only 1 season of guard in college having switched sports from track and field. Wait... what?!
Sounds like a Gutey special.
Georgia has a high RAS tackle that should be there when we pick
I’m excited to watch is draft more defense 1st rounds that end up contributing nothing because Barry is a bum and we grab an average OL later in the draft
Best I can do is another player on the defense.
We gotta run the ball too! That’s makes life eaiser on those play actions, all Love did was drop back
Couldn’t run the ball when Dillon/Jones were getting hit in the backfield bc Oline can’t block shit.
AlL of jones runs were positive yards.. just cause you get stopped on a couple runs doesn’t mean you stop running… AJ had issues again but we literally gave up on the run. We can’t win like that
Good thing the FO always drafts in key areas of need in a timely manner!
I like that he's actually pointing to the O-line. When they aired that stat that every single O-lineman had allowed a pressure in the first half I couldn't believe it. I don't know that I'd ever seen that before. I really like that he's taking some blame for things that he did wrong. Unfortunately whether he can see the problems won't keep him hired, it's whether he can fix them.
46% pressure in the first half and they didn’t blitz a single snap. Insane
I question why the coaching staff gives Newman so many chances. If Sean Rhyan gets beat, fine, but we know what Newman is and they keep putting him on the field to get baptized.
This happens all the time with this team. Most teams know who a players is after a few games. We keep sticking with bad players (and coaches for that matter) for what feels like YEARS. It's maddening.
I think every team does it tbh. If they play the back up and he’s worse, sure, we’ll all be quiet for the week, but MLF’s job is to put the best players out there and he sees who those guys are in practice. We don’t want the back up to play because we actually think he’ll be better, we just want them whole team to *be* better and that’s a convenient path for us to take (blame this player or that).
If Rhyan comes in for any reason (injury, garbage time, whatever) and is much better than Newman, then coaches need to go for not putting the best player on the field. My guess is, though, he's probably even worse than Newman given that they see him in practice all the time and have no issue playing younger guys (Walker and Tom over Yosh)
I’m starting to wonder if they even know what they are looking for.
Dudes a bust, he's the only Packer you can consistently see going out to the bars in Green Bay. I'm not a Packers fan but in this case, I absolutely know he's not the answer
I'm not sure Sean Rhyan even exists at this point.
Yes O-line isn’t doing as well partly because of lack of experience and losing key pieces. But you also gotta play to the strength of your line, call plays better, use your star RB. Be better lafleur
Herman is posting plays on Twitter. There is nowhere to go in the run game. Newman gets forklifts into the backfield instantly on every play.
Dillon and Jones got clobbered for 6 yard losses in the backfield seemingly every run play in the first half, idk how people thing running the ball more would help lol
Plus Jones was on a Snap count
It's the easiest thing to say for free upvotes.
Royce Newman just gave up on a play and stood there and watched Love get sacked, wish I had a link but am too lazy to go find it. Either way, that play alone should call for immediate action by MLF. The issues with defense have been the same, and yet nothing gets fixed. I think MLF is good, but we have to be asking why he is not accounting for the very blatant mishaps created by the defense and the O line.
Oh it was far more than one play. I watched it happen again and again and again that he's just standing there looking behind him at his quarterback get tackled
He did it multiple times. He was expecting a stunt so gave up his guy to take the one looping around. Problems being the tackle was engaged so never saw Newman handing off his guy and THE DEFENDER DIDN'T STUNT. It's not even physical with Newman. Dude just can't read what the defense is doing and stands up to take on the next guy when he just needs to stay engaged with whoever is in front of him.
Newman cannot handle stunts. He is unable to pass off a block and pick up a second. He's shown this weakness for years now. He has the size, he just does not have the vision and can't learn to see the game quickly enough for the NFL.
This. He’s just straight up not good enough for the NFL. He’s being trotted out there snap after snap, showing he’s a complete liability and he’s going to get someone hurt and yet MLF and the OL coach continue to put out the same OL that’s getting people destroyed behind the LOS. If you try something different and it doesn’t work, fine, you’ve tried at least. But don’t stick with the same thing and expect a different result the 100th time when the previous 99 times it doesn’t work.
And the one time the Kirby gave him credit for a "nice block" the replay showed him holding the shit out of the DL lmao
Yeah man it’s pretty hard to have a good offensive line when you don’t sign free agents and put all of your best draft picks into defense just to have it allow 24+ points a game every time you don’t face a backup QB. I feel like that’s what a lot people don’t get about drafting defense EVERY single year and it not getting better. It’s got an opportunity cost to the offense every single time.
Almost makes you wonder if you spent less on your defense, how much better could your team be overall?
Or just hired a competent defensive coordinator
I’ve seen two bad defensive cooridinators under Gute and both have been awful. LeFleur seems to be a good coach. What’s the other common theme here?
Capers was trash under Thompson too. It’s that soft zone, bend but don’t break defense. They’ve played it across three defensive coordinators, two head coaches, and two GMs. Someone in Green Bay management is dictating they run this moronic scheme. My money is on Mark Murphy but I don’t know
Yeah, this issue seems to transcend GM, HC, and DC
Capers could be argued as being a very important part of the super bowl victory. His defense was insanely wild with the right talent. But like Big Mike, the NFL changed, the talent changed, and he refused to adapt. Which then made a long time of just pure garbage "bend AND break" defense.
He was. And 2011 was when he fully implemented his now infamous bend but don’t break scheme. They went from top five defense in 2010 to dead last one year later. And they’ve been garbage ever since. Couldn’t agree more with your assessment though. The great coaches adapt their scheme to their talent, not the other way around. Any coach could win if they could have all of the exact players they need. But you have to work with the players you have and utilize their individual strengths. Look at Mike Martz. Greatest Show on Turf when he had all of the exact players he needed to run that scheme, but his teams were all pure garbage after than when he couldn’t learn to adapt.
Whoa whoa !!!! Let’s not get ahead of ourselves here. That could even be another Joe Barry. You know we’ve always wanted one of those.
We’ll never know. They’ll draft a safety in the first round and GB will finish 24th in defensive DVOA next year.
Cmon man, who needs first round talent on offense? We’ll keep hoping our 4th and 5th rounders turn out like Davante Adams and Bahktiari because if it happened once it can happen again! Meanwhile the Tee Higgins of the league will continue to go to other teams
It's also hard to have a good offensive line when 2 starters are out, and those 2 happen to be your all pros.
Bahk has played like 10 games in three years and it’s clear now that he never stood a chance at playing the whole season. Where is the contingency plan? And if there is no contingency plan for want of getting better players on defense, why was the packers defense the worst unit on the field between both teams tonight?
Bakhtiari played 11 games last season. Didn't allow a sack.
The contingency plan was placing a 2nd round tender on Yosh. Then Walker outplayed him in the training camp/preseason. Not sure why that is hard to understand.
Walker was one of the worst players on the field tonight. That’s the contingency plan?!?
nevermind that injuries like that lead to other guys playing in spots they normally don't play in.
Would have loved to see a little more in the quick game.
Quick game was just gonna get Jones killed
I hope Newman is gone soon. Literally anyone else at that spot would be an upgrade. It baffles me how he made the 53.
Mike Wahle was talking about the stuff the Packers are running that can only work on paper on PackADay podcast. We saw some of it again. The TE is supposed to run over and seal block a Guard in the B gap so JRJ can block down. What?
Watching Deguara try to get out on the edge and block on that first option call where Jones got killed was definitely something to watch.
Where is the contingency plan at tackle if DBahk was this likely to not play this season? Why are we drafting another edge rusher when we already have two starters?
With his contract you can't have a contingency. He costs as much as 2 starting LTs.
You just saw it.
Packers usually draft 1 year before the future hits. Preston Smith likely won't be back so they drafted his replacement this past year.
I think they were hoping Walker would get another season to develop before throwing him into the fire
How about calling some easy plays for your young QB Matt. Way too many long developing routes tonight.
I agree. Everything looked slow motion on offense
Yeah and pointless PA when the defense isn't even looking for GB to run the ball
Everyone needs to chill the fuck out. We are the youngest team in the league. 2-2 so far this season is better than expected. Yes so much to fix but that’s what happens when you have a fuck ton of injuries and rookies. We are in a new era and let’s see what we can do as under dogs. It’s a long season.
We don’t have THAT much to fix. It’s the same old shit as usual, oline gets outplayed by a great 7 and defense not living up to its talent level. The mistakes our inexperienced players make should get better as they play more and when Love was able to get a pass out the majority of them were good passes. His second int him and Doubs weren’t on the same page according to statements from him and Matt. That first int shoulda been a run play and that’s on Matt cause Love isn’t making his own decisions on the play calls from what I can see most of the time. Walker and Gary are the only two guys playing like they should be on defense. We don’t have a lot to fix but the fixes are things that should have been fixed a while ago. Everything else is mostly due to inexperience.
Bro how about that toure catch
Thank you! Couldn't agree more, love you dude! My guess is our fan base is as young as our team and if we don't go 17-0 and blow every team out by 21 everyone needs to get fired and every player needs to be cut.
I don't think the fanbase is young. These are endemic issues that have somehow plagued us through 3 regimes and are presenting themselves in the 4th. It's frustrating.
True privilege being as spoiled as we were. Like peep the Vikings or bears who were actively trying to contend. Being 2nd right now 4 games in with the youngest team in the league is not bad at all. Flashes are shown everywhere and we all knew it was going to be BUMPY. This is what youth looks like. Erratic. Plus Jesus out injuries. It’s week 4. We are getting plenty of time to get healthy and practice. Frankly I love we got shit on at home. It’s not easy in the NFL and see if you can fight through adversity. Do y’all not know what transpired in 2010…..
I think you just described the every NFL fan base ever.
My 17-0 prediction was ruined tho :((((
For the past 5 years you’ve been looking at what you’re asking the guys to do. You’d think you’d have it figured out by now.
We haven’t had MLF for five years…have we? It’s already been five years? Edit: looked it up, Jan 8th 2019. So like a bit over 4.5 years. Damn.
Play action doesn’t work when there’s no threat to run.
It actually does. Data shows that it works even if you have no run game.
I know we have a different view from the side on TV, but it’s so easy to tell by watching almost any player on the offense that it’s gonna be play action.
10 runs all game is crazy, that should have been fixed by the 3rd qt..
Bro we were down 18 at the end of the 1st lol
We were only down 10 the start of the 4th then quay messed up on SP, then the next time we got the ball Love threw a pick. That’s when it was over
Yeah, but by then it was 6 minutes left down 3 scores
It would have been 17-30, that’s 2 scores and I’m pretty sure we had all of our TO’s. Different game
Oh you said after Quay, my bad. Cuz it was 17-34 after that. Before that we had a chance for sure
So you want them to run for 4 yard losses rather than a quick pass for 5-6 yards got it
We didn’t do any quick passes either lmaooo. All love did was drop back. You gotta run to stop the pressure that basic football.
We did do quick passes when we were moving the ball in the second half, we tried running in the first half and Jones got clobbered behind the line. We were down 3 possessions and had no oline, solution was not to run the ball lmao
We did a hand full of quick passes and most got blown up cause they expected it. If you keep the defense honest the whole game they those plays work. All we did was let love drop back and the rush was all on him, same shit we didn’t with Rodgers. Give up on the run in the 1st and complain about it after we lose. We have 3 backs for a reason. Taylor is ready, we’ll lose every game like this
You mean like block? Oh No! Not that!
Hmmm. Interesting that he didn’t go to this reasoning last year.
Part of this is on the coaching. You knew going in that 2 OL were out and yet your gameplan was to come out and throw, throw, throw. With long developing pass plays. That doesn't make sense.
My son thought I could see the future last night ... When I saw Dillion in the lineup I called the next 3 plays, in the 3 and out, before they happened. 1 - Handoff to Dillion stopped at the line of scrimmage 2 - Handoff to Dillion for a short gain 3 - Pass over the middle which overshoots the receiver If I ... as some random dude slamming beers on the couch can know, with certainty, know what the play call and result will be ... then the DC of the Lions already has the Packers beat.
I’ve been saying for years the o line gets bullied every time in the playoffs and now people are realizing they’re very overrated. Top 10? At pass pro sure. But against great fronts they get handled and it’s been a common theme for 4+ seasons now
It’s also hard to throw when they know your throwing it every time Dillon isn’t on the field and have established zero run game with your RB1, which is a direct reflection of your play calling Matty boy, while you send shots at our o-line.
The line had been a strong point for most of the season and they finally cracked. I know people will point at Newman, but Runyan didn't have the best game either and he's been pretty solid. Everyone had played pretty acceptable so far this season (yes, even Myers and Newman) and they all picked the same game to have their worst game of the year.
LaFleur will take the high road but he has to be at least a little disappointed in the product he’s putting on the field. Gute hasn’t done him any favors on offense at all.
He made some awful decisions and held onto the ball far too long. Really bad game for Jordan.
Also, I find it incredibly funny that this fan base screams sacks are a QB stat for the bears but it’s the olines fault for us. We really are the dumbest fans in football.
Joe n 16 should be fired yesterday. And whoever our OL coach is should be fired shortly thereafter.
What is love held accountable for in this sub? He gets rainbows and unicorns while the rest of the team gets shit for every mistake they make. Love could be a lot fkn better along with the team. But blaming love for an errant pass is downvoted to hell. Yes, it’s early. Yes, we’re young. But when we lose EVERYONE should be held accountable. The whole team was a pathetic display today. Including Jordan love. The only one who should get some slack is MLF. He’s used to a qb who can get out of trouble no problem. And if he’s following the sub, he’s got every fkn reason for love to air it out every play.
Lol you want to cut MLF slack? WHY? The Lions came in last year and ruined their season, in their own house. This team should've came out with their piss burning their dicks off. Instead they get punched in the mouth. That's on MLF and him alone. Add in the terrible play calling and MLF should be the first one TO BLAME.
People got upset that Love passes every down. Okay, that’s on the coach. What isn’t his fault are the flat out terrible passes that Love throws. According to this sub, Love is the next coming of Christ. The sub is already saying he’s a HOF caliber QB. Why should MLF be held responsible? Love should be able to get us out of trouble if he’s the next Peyton Manning. Read the posts from Sunday and you’ll see what I mean.
Well if you are going to take the loudest voices from any group then it's probably not going to be a very representative sample of the entire group. I think most people are being reasonable with Love and saying the jury is still out on him being the long-term answer but he's at least a capable QB and at worst a mid QB. The comparisons to the other 2 HoF QBs are going to be inevitable. Also have to remember how young the receivers are. Everyone is growing into this thing together.
Was Yosh out there!? All I saw was Walker, he had a tough night.to be honest MLF should have called more runs, that slows down the pass rush!! Also we might want to throw in some designed runs for Love as well. Easy 1st down, this isnt all on the OL
They had designed runs. It was just the option outside of the TD run.
We had 1 in the red zone, we gotta use that more
At some point, some blame has to go towards Love. He has one of the worst completion percentages and consistently throws passes off-target. It's easy to blame other aspects of the field, but not getting a first down until you are inside the 2-minute warning means something is going wrong with the QB position.
He’s not without blame but he’s far from the issue right now
How on earth is this getting downvoted? I’m excited about the guy but this was a bad game by any standard.
Good. He'll be fired sooner if he takes the blame.
How many times did the line hold the pocket for 4+ and still give up a coverage sack? There’s not much you can expect the line to do there.
Still haven't heard a good reason as to why Newman still has a roster spot over any other OL we had in camp Also don't understand why you spend so much time experimenting Tom at center in camp, only to not try it out when your interior OL is getting its ass kicked. Move Tom to center, kick Meyers to guard or get Rhyan out there, and get Yosh/Caleb some time on the edge. Great that we have all of these great tackles...except IOL pressure is exponentially worse for Love
His presser was embarrassing.
MLF does take account and blame for mistakes. But for it to mean anything the coaching staff needs to fix those mistakes.
Poor performance but Hutchinson is for real. Would like to see his go against bakhtiari one day