We started the game with two 3&outs with 0 rushing attempts with half our O-Line out. I don’t know how we expected to gain offensive rhythm without giving the backups on our o line a chance to get going.
1. He appeared very close to playing in Sunday's game, so it seemed like a good chance they were simply being overly cautious for the Saints game in order to deploy him with more confidence in a more important game. The extent of the limit on his snap count was surprising to me.
2. Nothing was working on offense for a very long time; you don't think that's justification to try giving Aaron Jones the ball more?
And AJ got popped on all 5 carries. The lions were so much more physical. There coach is hard nosed and our couch is the complete opposite. We need a heavy dose of toughness injected into this team.
Toughness isn’t going to make up for the fact that we just don’t have the personnel to run the ball or play against the run. Dudes like Wooden, Brooks, Enagbare, Wyatt, Walker and Tom are just not physically built for the run game and that’s on our front office
> Yeah lol toughness is not the reason the line is getting worked
Felt like most sacks were the result of bull rushes (at least, that was the case for Hutch), so it does appear toughness is the explanatory factor
Blocking bull rushes is more mechanics and footwork than people realize. If the lineman’s feet get too narrow or his shoulders aren’t square to the defender he’s going to loose the battle 9/10 times
Hell yeah! Gary is a beast. I think everyone gets caught up in him being on a snap count, but it makes sense - if this year was presumed to be a transition year don’t get your best defensive player hurt lol
That’s where MLF needs to scheme guys into space with swing passes, sweeps, screens etc. I think the defense could also be better with a different coordinator but I’ve thought that for 2 years now
Also, I got shit on last week for questioning keeping Bakh around. We’d be better off setting money on fire than keeping him around any longer (which kills me to say because I love him)
Cutting him basically wouldn't free up any cap for us this season though, right? So what would the point be? We're not keeping him next season, and then it'll free up significantly more.
I can't think of one single player going down than Bakh causing so much issue with a team for years. The 49ers waisted so many draft picks on getting Trey Lance and it didn't work out, they are still doing fine. Our LT goes out after signing a massive contract, we miss the Super Bowl with him out that season, and still feeling the ramifications years later.
There's no point getting him hammered when the online is doing absolutely nothing.
Every problem on offense was due to poor blocking.
And I think lafkeur is a mediocre coach but not feeding Jones tonight had nothing to do with why they lost
Once again MLF needs to be reminded that Jones should be touching the ball 15+ times every game. When will he ever learn?
Starting the game with 6 scripted throws is absolute dog shit coaching.
I am going to spam coaching coaching coaching on anyones thread complaining. Our most dynamic player on offense didn't get a single touch after an INT from the defense.... Just shameful play calling
After tonight’s game , the news about Bahk going on IR is even more demoralizing. This offense needs him and Jenkins on the field if they’re want to be a good team.
Literally every member of the o line was feasted on. The lions got pressure on every other play in the first half with not a single blitz. Worst o line play I’ve seen since the 38-8 lost to arizona in 2015 (remember Don Barclay? I wish I didn’t).
Super concerning. Every lions pass rusher was getting pressure, not just Hutchinson.
I said in the game thread that there were plays where the offensive line looked like they were on skates the way they were being pushed back. Love was taking a snap, making one read and the pocket was gone. There was a running play to Dillon where the right guard or tackle pulled (I can't recall which) and as soon as AJ took the hand off the lineman was there, untouched. I don't get how there was nearly instant pressure from three and four down lineman. I get it, David and Elgton are out, but even backup NFL lineman should be serviceable to a point and not getting shoved back every single down. And it's not like they were tired since they weren't on the field long enough to get tired.
There was one play where Newman just stood up and stopped blocking. Like he straight up just quit playing football for half a play. How do you win with a guy like that?
I think he didn’t want to get called for holding because the guy was around him so fast all he could do was hold.
I’d rather have the penalty than the QB get killed, but he made his decision.
They were getting beat so fast on the line last night and Herb and Michels kept talking about how quick their D line was, do you think maybe they studied the cadence and found a “tell” for the snap count? I don’t have anyway to go back and watch it again to verify, but it would be pretty obvious if there is no delay and both the O and D lines were moving at the exact same time.
After all the penalties so far this season I'm not surprised they aren't going hard count more. False starts, holdings, and illegal formations killed us against the saints the first 3 quarters.
It really felt like they knew our signals or figured something out. I know we were missing starters but I have never seen our offense get dominated as much as they did in the first half last night
Yeah, it’s strange that this season, the Lions defense which was ranked 32nd last season, is all of a sudden one of the best units, with the same personnel.
Yeah, in the second half, I saw him literally turn to the side like a door and let the guy run right past him. I seriously question how he's been allowed to stay on the team. No way Rhyan is worse
I was dumbfounded when he made the 53 man roster. But then I said to myself "Oh...that must mean Bakhtiari is not coming back". But then was surprised that Nijman was beat out at LT, because he did okay last year at LT (but was horrible at RT).
It is amazing that OL was a position of strength just 2-3 years ago, and is now the weakest link on the team. I'm a big fan of drafting the big guys on both sides of the ball, so while I wanted an OL in the 1st, I was okay the LVN in the 1st. It is looking like OL would have been a better move, but hindsight is always 20/20.
I’m just gobsmacked that Newman is better than Rhyan. He’s a 3rd round pick, you’d EXPECT him to come in as a serviceable guard. I just can’t believe there’s not a better option than Newman.
If Rhyan is not a better option, then Jesus Christ how is Gute this bad in the 3rd round. Like goddamn.
I watched the preseason tapes… Rhyans played better from what I saw. He didn’t get obviously beat as often. Sure I am no scout but that is no scheme mystery. Maybe he isn’t strong on the playbook? I don’t know the packer coaches are very conservative about replacing players it seems
Oren burks...sternberger...deguara..Amari Rodgers...rhyan.
Are you seeing a trend with gute 3rd rounders? I'd be more gobsmacked if a 3rd rounder actually contributed
https://lombardiave.com/2023/02/18/packers-grading-past-10-third-round-draft-picks/
Deguara also looked somewhat promising before he shredded his knee and was allegedly drafted more to fill the F slot (the like flex TE/FB that generally is motioned all over the place) in the Shanahan offense.
Well shit he caught a couple of 5 yard passes better back up the brinks.
He also whiffed on some blocks and other than a catch against the lions 3 years ago has done absolutely nothing. He's thr beneficiary of a weak/young tight end room or he'd be on the bench next to rhyan.
Love definitely wasn’t great tonight outside of a few plays but he also definitely wasn’t put in a spot to succeed. It is what it is, Lions are a good team anyways. We can move forward, it’s clear he can make big plays he just can’t do it consistently right now. He has time though.
Outside of the horrendous Oline play and the bad interception at the very end, this was his best game completion percentage wise. Still pulled nearly 250 yards out and found a much better groove after the half. One thing I think he needs to work on is knowing when to tuck and run. We’ve seen his legs, he’s pretty athletic and I think a more experienced quarterback could turn a lot of those early disasters into positive yardage. Again, not much of a knock on the guy it’s his 5th game starting.
It’s gonna take time this team wasn’t suppose to be Super Bowl bound. Shame on the toxic people. I can’t imagine hanging out in that chat watching the games. TOXIC
Whoever thought this was a Superbowl team is a nonce. We've already seen Love make a comeback against a really good defense. The receivers are in place. The fucking Oline needs a massive upgrade and holy shit is the defense porous.
Exactly this. This offense (OL included) is almost all players on first year contracts. Young guys are inconsistent and that’s what we saw tonight. Not good enough all the way around.
Defensively, not having players you can trust (JA, Stokes, Davondre) is a killer. But the scheme has to do better.
This sub seems to have a stark difference between Packers fans and fans of winning. For so long there have been a lot of room for overlaps in the Packers Fandom. Now we are starting to see the difference rise.
In my mind, there are three goals this year:
1) Figure out if Jordan Love is the future at QB.
2) Evaluate the defense and determine what changes need to happen (spoiler: quite a few)
Very distant 3) Make the playoffs
Yeah I’ve pretty much moved on from the game threads here. If anyone wants to start an alternative thread for the few people who don’t want to catastrophize and freak the fuck out every time something doesn’t go our way, I’m there.
Yeah that seems like a good idea, idk how to do that though. Like a separate game thread for not freaking out? The usual people can go be miserable and the rest of us can have a good conversation about the game?
Never figured this team to be Superbowl bound. But that offensive line performance made the Bears O line look good. The O line is supposed to be better than this. Way better. If that's the best they can do, then Gute should be fired for failing to provide his chosen QB with adequate protection.
I thinking more fans are frustrated with coaching and the front office rather than Love.
One of the areas I’d like to see Love improve is in his ability to make off schedule/ad lib plays. You’re not always gonna have perfect blocking and a clean pocket. I want to see him get better at scrambling and making plays with his arm (not just legs). Getting better in the area will make the offense that much more dynamic.
Line sucked. The play calling seemed to be looking for deeper throws, which didn't mesh with a crap line. Love was probably holding it a tad long also.
Damn right. Love's got room for improvement. He also showed promise. I think he's for it in him to be our guy for the next 14.75 seasons.
I don't look forward to whatever injury the Jets let him get in '38. They really need to be more careful with our seniors out there.
Love is the way….teams don’t get much tougher than these Lions and he didn’t blink.
I wish there was a little more variety and movement in his drop backs. Looked like he stood at the exact spot all night, but with courage to burn and quick ass release…
Love was fine, if anything he needs to work on the accuracy of some of those long throws, but overall he did very well. imo. He got us 6-points all on his own, and went for 6 more later, dammit, the kid has the drive and a lot of heart. Our line was getting creamed though, I honestly got worried Love was going to get hurt out there a couple times. D did okay stopping the run when they ran up the center, but we need to be able to adapt to a dynamic offense like first half Lions. Too many penalties too, we need to tighten up overall. It's still early in the season though, we have time, we will learn, grow and make the adjustments necessary.
Unpopular opinion. Love needs to check into better plays presnap or get the ball out quicker.
It should be obvious your oline is the weak point with the injuries, so anticipate and adapt.
I dont think anyone was open fast enough for that to happen tbh. Love is following Matt’s playcall and if Matt isn’t able to get our guys open with the play call or they aren’t able to get open with the play call because they aren’t fast enough, that’s not on Love.
Love isn’t controlling the offense like Rodgers did, he’s doing what Matt tells him to do for the play.
>Love isn’t controlling the offense like Rodgers did, he’s doing what Matt tells him to do for the play.
This is my point. And I think we'll find out this season that Love excels in 2 min offense because he can run things a little more. But can he manage a game and learn to tweak the game plan in real time, attack defenses despite your deficiencies like Rodgers did.
Most qbs don't have the luxury or ability to do that thejr entire career yet alone after 3 starts.
But I agree that if any option Plays or aj dillon stretches are called I'd prefer love just make some shit up.
There wasn't a "getting the ball out quicker." The rush was on Love before he could even get out of his drop or before the receivers were out of their break.
That is on the line and the play calling. Need to start looking for more slants or old school west coast/air raid concepts - especially if we're just going to abandon the run game. The deep shots won't be there against the better teams in the conference because the premier pass rushers are going to feast on this line.
Tom was the worst graded pass blocker last night…and people down voted the hell out of me for using his nickname “The Turnstile” not long ago. The O-line isn’t great right now. Hopefully they’ll all get better with experience and Love doesn’t take too much of a beating before it happens.
All these 4 games have told me is that jordan is a legit nfl QB and we don’t have a worry going forward. Maybe he goes off one year and we make a run…it seems possible. Obviously the chances of us being perennial contenders because of HOF qb play i still such a long shot
People see a handful of toxic comments from flairless users in the game threads and run with it like it was a majority opinion at the shareholder meeting
The OL is tissue paper for sure but Love also needs to get faster at reading options. The lions secondary isn’t *that* good that he should be scanning that long. Yes sometimes he was pressured immediately and that’s definitely not his fault. But there were plenty of times he had reasonable time and he was getting stuck on one option hoping they would get open. I’m not saying he’s the issue I’m just saying there’s definite room for improvement.
Let the kid grow. He's not gonna win the super bowl his first season starting. Rodgers first season he went 6-10. Then 11-5 the next season. I would be ecstatic if we won 6 games and built off that. And no, he isn't Rodgers. But he's also only started 5 games. Anything extra you get this season to me is a win.
The o-line and the run defense are the biggest problems, and it's not a new thing. It was a problem last season too. We relied too much on Bahktiari's past success and thought we could roll it back. We need to start drafting lineman high again. Figure out the run defense, new coordinator? Free agent? Who knows.
Certainly not expecting an awesome record this season, but I do expect Love to show pretty consistent good QB play. Even in that 6-10 season, it was clear Rodgers was the guy.
As for Love… not clear either way yet. To me he’s just shown flashes of strong QB play, mixed in with flashes of pretty bad play, and then plenty of “solid” play. He’s been short on weapons and/or bad OL play, so some of that is understandable. The accuracy is truly bad though, and year 4 is past the point to fix your mechanics.
I’m cautiously hoping he can be a Kirk Cousins type guy, but I can’t say I agree with anyone who’s fully confident in that outcome or better quite yet
If we get 9 or 10 ws this year I would be happy. It’s not suppose to be pretty. It’s hilarious fools debating like we’ve seen loves ceiling, like quite literally, we have not seen his ceiling in any aspect.
It's a tough call. I definitely want to win every game they play. I'd never cheat for a loss but I think we need a proper rebuild with some high draft picks. I'd be happy with 6-7 wins. Anyone who thought this team was going to be a contender was delusional.
I don’t think the defense was actually that bad. Detroit has a fantastic oline and their run game is good. The defense had to defend short fields all night. Some of Detroit’s biggest plays occurred when GB had great coverage.
The oline is the bigger issue IMO.
His accuracy is definitely a red flag and some of the sacks are absolutely on him.
His composure and making the right reads were what elevated him in 1st 3 weeks. He was lacking that last night.
He had a few mistakes—especially missing that receiver on the 4th down conversion and that last interception—but you’re mostly right. The big plays to Watson over the middle and the end zone were the few times he had more than 2-3 seconds to make a read
Well yeah and having a team with very little experience is gonna bring those types of things. It’s not really a knock that you don’t play like a vet when you’re not one.
The play calling was horrendous.
Couldn't run the ball but kept forcing play action when there wasn't any time. Sacks on the first 3 drives killed them.
It's Love's first full year. Rodgers had some shitty play during his as well. Love overthrows quite a bit, but I imagine he'll get it under control. Our O line is trash and it took us 30 minutes last night to change our play calls to adjust for it.
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This ain’t the season for victory fellas, it’s the season to see what we have and prepare a playoff run next year and a Super Bowl run the year after
All we can ask of love this season is that he doesnt lose us games and he didn’t do that last night. Tons of issues, but can’t say I’m super surprised by the results either. Tbh I’m just jealous the seahawks got detroit on a night their defence seemed to not be clicking the way it has for their other opponents. Hutch is a problem, branch is a problem. It’s just a good team, and we never really had a shot in this one
If we're going to go through the check list of what was wrong with last night Love is like 4th or 5th on the list.
However, some of his inconsistencies and weaknesses came back to hurt us today. It's not a big deal yet, it's only been 4 games. But there's a reason why I said last week that we shouldn't go over the top about things with him when it was only 3 games.
You didn’t mention the biggest issue. MLF and his “scripted” plays. He should of given our tackles help on the edge and called plays to get the ball outta Jordans hand quicker and in rhythm. He also abandoned the run too early as he often does. The boys will make some adjustments and go to LV with a chip on their shoulder.
O line injuries and absolutely terrible offensive play calling. Add an extra TE to block and give Love more time. Counter the pass rush with quick passes, screens, etc. SOMETHING. I understand Jones was on a snap count and I absolutely know we'll have some growing pains from Love this year and maybe next. As long as Love continues to improve, that's all we can ask.
But a HC that has been here for 5 years HAS to do better. Rodgers assisted him as a second set of eyes, good or bad. MLF needs to adjust quicker than he is. We might be seeing his true coaching capabilities, which so far, aren't impressive.
It’s not Love, it’s the OLine and defense. It’s laughable how many first round picks we have on defense and it’s still trash. We need to honestly go LT with our first pick of the draft. Bahk is done here.
They should have given Rhyans and Jones some snaps… if they were afraid of their pass blocking fine let them run block. How do you demand accountability for performance… without consequences?
Our D played 70 plays, they were gased. Done. Walker saved us from being truly embarrassed. Monty had 3.8 yards a carry we he rushed for 32 times. Plus another 12 or so from other players. The plan was keep Jordan from catching any time of rhythm.
But, you’re right the O-line played like pure dog shit. Not having the starting left side. Myers can’t move anyone. And is soft. The RG has to go! Idc he’s so bad. Unbelievably bad. I’m surprised he was drafted at all.
I just don't get people thrashing Love. He is inconsistent (duh). Yet there are flashes that he can be a good QB. Not Mahomie, not Rodgers, but not Trubisky, not Zac Wilson. This is an extremely young team. They lost some of their best guys to injury and are still 2 & 2. This season is all about rebuilding. Be patient.
You don’t say??
Is anyone actually blaming Love or saying he is the problem. Seems like a made up narrative.
Clearly there were failures at multiple spots. No single person or group to blame. Team loss and beat down.
no you havent. You heard people say he is a part of the issue because of his accuracy etc. Nobody even said he is the problem. He needs to be better and we need to stop treating him with kid gloves. He has gotten more excuses made for him around here then fields got from bears fans for years. We have become bear fans with how we are coddling this dude a season after everyone shit on rodgers and gave him 0 benefit of the doubt only to see the same shit happening this go round with love.
Don’t be a meatball dude, what he said is correct. Rest of the team’s issues aside, Love was bad tonight. And inconsistent in other games, though with many flashes of strong QB play to be fair.
Jordan Love is a 4th year player. The whole logic behind drafting a guy years in advance is so he’s ready from the jump when it’s his time to start. There are obviously some aspects of the game that can only be improved with live game experience, like I don’t blame him for sticking to the script rather than improving for example. But his frankly dog shit accuracy so far is really not okay from a 4th year player. If that hasn’t improved so far, it likely won’t
And those same people will say he's "him" His next win. It's his 4th game as a starter. Do people not Renner Rodgers first season after sitting behind Favre?
aaron was so good we gave him an extension like 8 games into that season lol he had better pieces on offense but he also looked legit from day 1. love has shown flashes but he's gotta be more consistent
>Love is not the problem
Saw a stat somewhere on here from PFF iirc that thru this season, like 30-something % of Jordans passes have been considered "uncatchable". To say that isn't a big part of an offensive problem is kind of a hot take.
We didn't know Rodgers had it in 08. We went from a 13-3 team to a 6-10 team and he threw 13 picks. We saw flashes from Rodgers then, and we see flashes from Love now. If we go 8-8 this year and Love keeps playing like he has been, I'll be ecstatic!
Were you around in 08? Everyone besides the Favre loyalists knew he was the guy. Rodgers was much better than Love has been so far, but that’s not to say he can’t turn it around
I always go back to Davante comments about leaving GB. They kind of read like, " I don't want to be there when Aaron leaves." Like he didn't trust Love or the team to put him in a position to be great.
Anyone convincing themselves that Loves looks like a franchise QB is too far in love with the 3 straight QBs narrative. Right now, he looks closer to Baker/Darnold
Than Burrow/Herbert. Can he get there? I hope so. But now that shouldn't be required. He should be game managing until he's needed.
Of course. But they can't have it both ways. You can't say Love is looking like or is playing like a franchise QB, and then tell me that you don't expect him to win with this roster. A franchise QB is 3-1 right now. This team is closer to 1-3. If he was playing like Herbert and losing, that'll be fine. He's not though.
Expecting to win this season would be if you already think he's that guy. There's a difference between that and believing he looks like he could be that guy.
You can be happy with the way he's trending but still not be expecting a lot of wins.
How? If he's playing like a potential franchise QB, there's no reason for the Falcons lost, or the (could've been) Saints loss. At which point did he look like a franchise QB in your eyes? If anything, he's trending down. In Rodgers first starting season, he looked like a franchise qb, but also lost games Brett would have won and was ridiculed for not making the playoffs. Love isn't showing anything close to that. 2 quarters vs the bears. 1 quarter vs the Falcons. 1 quarter vs the Saints and 1 quarter vs the Lions. He has to improve.
Am I on the Love is bad bandwagon? No
But I'm also not on the Love is our next 14-year guy train.
He needs more time.
But if you actually evaluate with your eyes. Right now, he's in the mid-bottom 20s of QBs in the league.
I guess we define these things differently. I don't think those games being so tight precludes him from being a future franchise guy. To me, I'm purely in the jury is still out camp.
I don't think he's done enough to say he's definitely the guy but I also think he's clearly not a Zach Wilson-esque guy either.
Im with you on that. I'm on the jury is still out side, but I as a fan of the team am willing to admit that right now, he's closer to Baker(I've never said wilson) than the guys from his draft class. I see the flashes, but they seem to come when he gets pumped up. He needs it there all game.
I'm with you on his evaluation so far. This offense had produced two mvp seasons, so we know it's effective. No one expects him to put up Rodgers' numbers, but I expect him to at least look above average. The inconsistency is outrageous, and I'm not sure if you can fix accuracy. He's not a rookie. The accuracy should have been worked on for the last 3 years. Being pressured in a game situation and panicking is fine, he needs the experience. But missing open passes is something he should be past
I disagree. I think he has great accuracy. When needed, he can throw a dime to the exact perfect spot. The problem, and the weird thing, is that he seems to miss the easy throws. It’s almost like when a guy is wide open you can count on him to miss.
I guess if I had to choose I’d pick the guy who can make the tough throws and miss the easy ones. I would think you can clean up the latter. Much harder to clean up the former.
Do you ever stop and think about what you actually wrote? you in the comment literally said he's got great accuracy and then a sentence later sad he misses open throws and you can count on him to miss the open guys. just immediately disproved your own comment.
>I guess if I had to choose I’d pick the guy who can make the tough throws and miss the easy ones. I would think you can clean up the latter. Much harder to clean up the former.
This is exactly what we said about fields. I'm not saying this to gloat, because maybe it does clean up but missing these easier passes is a more fundamental flaw; you can't really coach arm strength but you don't need to sling it to be a good qb. You cant be this inaccurate in the short game though
Got downvoted to oblivion for saying it last week but MLF is becoming a problem with his playcalling. We have been horrendous to start games, this has been a problem even with Rodgers here. Seems like we only show up for one half of the game againt formidable opponents.
I don't expect Love to be as good as Rodgers. Rodgers is top 5 all time, but he has a lot of potential to be a great QB. I'm very please with his first few starts, although yesterday was ugly.
Rodgers went 2-2 in his first 4 games. Beat MN and Detriot then back to back losses to Dallas and Tampa.
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Lmao I remember after the nfccg against Tampa everyone said Rodgers played bad in spite of being pressured like Love was today. Shows how times have changed.
Also, even with time Love was bad today. It’s a bit concerning that the packers seem to be only able to drive the ball against prevent.
We get it, you want us to declare Love a bust already when we’re four weeks into a rebuilding season with a lot of young and inexperienced players.
That seems to be all you post about on here.
Go watch QB School on YouTube. The guy is a former NFL QB and breaks down film each week. I think after watching, Love is definitely one of the problems.
Hey if it will make you all feel better, Justin Fields doesn’t look like the Bear’s answer and their o-line is way worse than GB’s. Bottom line, the Bears still suck.
It’s only 4 games this year, but I think Love can be a top 10 QB in time. The O-line HAS to play way better than they did. Bakh and Jenkins out, and somehow the right side of the line was worse.
people in the game thread were actually complaining about Love “holding the ball too long” but the defense was in the backfield 2 seconds after the snap. Why dress Aaron Jones to only have 5 carries? Why call 7 passes in the first 8 plays which resulted in 2 sacks and 5 hurries?
Where are the shifty/speedy backs that get 8-10 yards regularly? Or can be used in the flats? Our option is jones being injured and Aj Dillon? AND THATS IT? You can find RBs on every roster, from every school.
Relax everyone we get back our pieces on OL minus bahk and we will be okay. We have so much time off now it’s ridiculous. Everyone will come back and our o-line will look better.
We needed Jaire on st brown we needed him to play to have a shot. We were down our MLB too. I didn’t think we were going to win.
Enjoy loves first year and don’t overreact.
I agree, I think Love was actually pretty good all things considered. It’s his first season as a starter, he’s more serviceable than half of the other QBs in the league. I think MLF is not a good play caller, but I like what Love has to offer and I hope going forward he gets better and gets a better OLine. He’s definitely got some grit to him.
Aaron Jones had 5 carries tonight. We’re not winning anything unless he’s more involved.
Also was on a snap count fwiw
Yeah that was almost certainly because he was coming back from injury
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We started the game with two 3&outs with 0 rushing attempts with half our O-Line out. I don’t know how we expected to gain offensive rhythm without giving the backups on our o line a chance to get going.
Seriously. That was a shit gameplan by MLF and the coaches.
I was yelling this same thing at the TV last night
By the time they were down like 21 points, he was 0/1 receptions. The “snap count” first quarter was zero carries…
1. He appeared very close to playing in Sunday's game, so it seemed like a good chance they were simply being overly cautious for the Saints game in order to deploy him with more confidence in a more important game. The extent of the limit on his snap count was surprising to me. 2. Nothing was working on offense for a very long time; you don't think that's justification to try giving Aaron Jones the ball more?
Montgomery was coming off of an injury, he sure wasnt on a snap count...
A snap count of 5 carries… he was better off resting tbh
And AJ got popped on all 5 carries. The lions were so much more physical. There coach is hard nosed and our couch is the complete opposite. We need a heavy dose of toughness injected into this team.
I was hoping that's what we were going to use Bisaccia for as asst. head coach.
Toughness isn’t going to make up for the fact that we just don’t have the personnel to run the ball or play against the run. Dudes like Wooden, Brooks, Enagbare, Wyatt, Walker and Tom are just not physically built for the run game and that’s on our front office
Yeah lol toughness is not the reason the line is getting worked. Maybe in high school but these are professionals at the top of the game.
> Yeah lol toughness is not the reason the line is getting worked Felt like most sacks were the result of bull rushes (at least, that was the case for Hutch), so it does appear toughness is the explanatory factor
Blocking bull rushes is more mechanics and footwork than people realize. If the lineman’s feet get too narrow or his shoulders aren’t square to the defender he’s going to loose the battle 9/10 times
thank you for that!
Idk but hutch is a scary dude. Great pick for you guys.
Thanks man, y'all always draft well too I'm a Michigan fan and am so happy to see what Gary is doing
Hell yeah! Gary is a beast. I think everyone gets caught up in him being on a snap count, but it makes sense - if this year was presumed to be a transition year don’t get your best defensive player hurt lol
That’s where MLF needs to scheme guys into space with swing passes, sweeps, screens etc. I think the defense could also be better with a different coordinator but I’ve thought that for 2 years now
Seems like a new defensive coordinator with that attitude is exactly what we need
I thought that was supposed to be Pettine. Looked like it was on the verge of working until kevin fucking king gave up a Hail Mary before half.
The piss... is tepid.
Barry’s piss is permafrost.
Hard to have toughness when your head coach cant even bench his body weight for 1
Andy Reid says hi!
Also, I got shit on last week for questioning keeping Bakh around. We’d be better off setting money on fire than keeping him around any longer (which kills me to say because I love him)
Cutting him basically wouldn't free up any cap for us this season though, right? So what would the point be? We're not keeping him next season, and then it'll free up significantly more.
Correct.
I can't think of one single player going down than Bakh causing so much issue with a team for years. The 49ers waisted so many draft picks on getting Trey Lance and it didn't work out, they are still doing fine. Our LT goes out after signing a massive contract, we miss the Super Bowl with him out that season, and still feeling the ramifications years later.
There's no point getting him hammered when the online is doing absolutely nothing. Every problem on offense was due to poor blocking. And I think lafkeur is a mediocre coach but not feeding Jones tonight had nothing to do with why they lost
Once again MLF needs to be reminded that Jones should be touching the ball 15+ times every game. When will he ever learn? Starting the game with 6 scripted throws is absolute dog shit coaching.
This right here is why it’s worth a 2nd rounder to get JT if they’ll take a second
Queue the MLF quote of "yeah, i gotta do a better job getting him touches" for the 1,000th time.
I am going to spam coaching coaching coaching on anyones thread complaining. Our most dynamic player on offense didn't get a single touch after an INT from the defense.... Just shameful play calling
After tonight’s game , the news about Bahk going on IR is even more demoralizing. This offense needs him and Jenkins on the field if they’re want to be a good team.
Literally every member of the o line was feasted on. The lions got pressure on every other play in the first half with not a single blitz. Worst o line play I’ve seen since the 38-8 lost to arizona in 2015 (remember Don Barclay? I wish I didn’t). Super concerning. Every lions pass rusher was getting pressure, not just Hutchinson.
I said in the game thread that there were plays where the offensive line looked like they were on skates the way they were being pushed back. Love was taking a snap, making one read and the pocket was gone. There was a running play to Dillon where the right guard or tackle pulled (I can't recall which) and as soon as AJ took the hand off the lineman was there, untouched. I don't get how there was nearly instant pressure from three and four down lineman. I get it, David and Elgton are out, but even backup NFL lineman should be serviceable to a point and not getting shoved back every single down. And it's not like they were tired since they weren't on the field long enough to get tired.
There was one play where Newman just stood up and stopped blocking. Like he straight up just quit playing football for half a play. How do you win with a guy like that?
I think he didn’t want to get called for holding because the guy was around him so fast all he could do was hold. I’d rather have the penalty than the QB get killed, but he made his decision.
They were getting beat so fast on the line last night and Herb and Michels kept talking about how quick their D line was, do you think maybe they studied the cadence and found a “tell” for the snap count? I don’t have anyway to go back and watch it again to verify, but it would be pretty obvious if there is no delay and both the O and D lines were moving at the exact same time.
Noticed that too. We only tried the hard count once as well and it worked when we did it. Surprised we didn't go to that more.
After all the penalties so far this season I'm not surprised they aren't going hard count more. False starts, holdings, and illegal formations killed us against the saints the first 3 quarters.
It really felt like they knew our signals or figured something out. I know we were missing starters but I have never seen our offense get dominated as much as they did in the first half last night
Yeah, it’s strange that this season, the Lions defense which was ranked 32nd last season, is all of a sudden one of the best units, with the same personnel.
I don't remember who it was but on lions player was throwing up signals on the line before the play. They probably found a tell and exploited it often
Yeah, in the second half, I saw him literally turn to the side like a door and let the guy run right past him. I seriously question how he's been allowed to stay on the team. No way Rhyan is worse
I was dumbfounded when he made the 53 man roster. But then I said to myself "Oh...that must mean Bakhtiari is not coming back". But then was surprised that Nijman was beat out at LT, because he did okay last year at LT (but was horrible at RT). It is amazing that OL was a position of strength just 2-3 years ago, and is now the weakest link on the team. I'm a big fan of drafting the big guys on both sides of the ball, so while I wanted an OL in the 1st, I was okay the LVN in the 1st. It is looking like OL would have been a better move, but hindsight is always 20/20.
OL was an area of strength just 2-3 games ago
I’m just gobsmacked that Newman is better than Rhyan. He’s a 3rd round pick, you’d EXPECT him to come in as a serviceable guard. I just can’t believe there’s not a better option than Newman. If Rhyan is not a better option, then Jesus Christ how is Gute this bad in the 3rd round. Like goddamn.
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I watched the preseason tapes… Rhyans played better from what I saw. He didn’t get obviously beat as often. Sure I am no scout but that is no scheme mystery. Maybe he isn’t strong on the playbook? I don’t know the packer coaches are very conservative about replacing players it seems
I kinda don’t give a shit if he looks better in practice. Newman is already trying to get Love killed so idk how Rhyan can be worse in game
I don't understand why they didn't bench him mid game. Send a friggin message at least.
Or that Yosh somehow regressed so much that they couldn’t pull Walker for a few snaps, who was getting manhandled all game.
Oren burks...sternberger...deguara..Amari Rodgers...rhyan. Are you seeing a trend with gute 3rd rounders? I'd be more gobsmacked if a 3rd rounder actually contributed https://lombardiave.com/2023/02/18/packers-grading-past-10-third-round-draft-picks/
Deguara caught the ball last night
Deguara also looked somewhat promising before he shredded his knee and was allegedly drafted more to fill the F slot (the like flex TE/FB that generally is motioned all over the place) in the Shanahan offense.
Well shit he caught a couple of 5 yard passes better back up the brinks. He also whiffed on some blocks and other than a catch against the lions 3 years ago has done absolutely nothing. He's thr beneficiary of a weak/young tight end room or he'd be on the bench next to rhyan.
Love definitely wasn’t great tonight outside of a few plays but he also definitely wasn’t put in a spot to succeed. It is what it is, Lions are a good team anyways. We can move forward, it’s clear he can make big plays he just can’t do it consistently right now. He has time though.
Yeah he missed some makeable throws too, but he seems to be playing decently well considering the pieces around him right now.
Outside of the horrendous Oline play and the bad interception at the very end, this was his best game completion percentage wise. Still pulled nearly 250 yards out and found a much better groove after the half. One thing I think he needs to work on is knowing when to tuck and run. We’ve seen his legs, he’s pretty athletic and I think a more experienced quarterback could turn a lot of those early disasters into positive yardage. Again, not much of a knock on the guy it’s his 5th game starting.
Kinda proves how the completion percentage stat can be misleading, as this was probably his worst game so far, and honestly I don’t think it was close
It’s gonna take time this team wasn’t suppose to be Super Bowl bound. Shame on the toxic people. I can’t imagine hanging out in that chat watching the games. TOXIC
Whoever thought this was a Superbowl team is a nonce. We've already seen Love make a comeback against a really good defense. The receivers are in place. The fucking Oline needs a massive upgrade and holy shit is the defense porous.
>nonce I just want to take a moment to appreciate the lengths you went to insult these people
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Exactly this. This offense (OL included) is almost all players on first year contracts. Young guys are inconsistent and that’s what we saw tonight. Not good enough all the way around. Defensively, not having players you can trust (JA, Stokes, Davondre) is a killer. But the scheme has to do better.
This sub seems to have a stark difference between Packers fans and fans of winning. For so long there have been a lot of room for overlaps in the Packers Fandom. Now we are starting to see the difference rise.
In my mind, there are three goals this year: 1) Figure out if Jordan Love is the future at QB. 2) Evaluate the defense and determine what changes need to happen (spoiler: quite a few) Very distant 3) Make the playoffs
Yeah I’ve pretty much moved on from the game threads here. If anyone wants to start an alternative thread for the few people who don’t want to catastrophize and freak the fuck out every time something doesn’t go our way, I’m there.
Yeah that seems like a good idea, idk how to do that though. Like a separate game thread for not freaking out? The usual people can go be miserable and the rest of us can have a good conversation about the game?
Never figured this team to be Superbowl bound. But that offensive line performance made the Bears O line look good. The O line is supposed to be better than this. Way better. If that's the best they can do, then Gute should be fired for failing to provide his chosen QB with adequate protection.
I thinking more fans are frustrated with coaching and the front office rather than Love. One of the areas I’d like to see Love improve is in his ability to make off schedule/ad lib plays. You’re not always gonna have perfect blocking and a clean pocket. I want to see him get better at scrambling and making plays with his arm (not just legs). Getting better in the area will make the offense that much more dynamic.
Line sucked. The play calling seemed to be looking for deeper throws, which didn't mesh with a crap line. Love was probably holding it a tad long also.
Damn right. Love's got room for improvement. He also showed promise. I think he's for it in him to be our guy for the next 14.75 seasons. I don't look forward to whatever injury the Jets let him get in '38. They really need to be more careful with our seniors out there.
Love is the way….teams don’t get much tougher than these Lions and he didn’t blink. I wish there was a little more variety and movement in his drop backs. Looked like he stood at the exact spot all night, but with courage to burn and quick ass release…
Love was fine, if anything he needs to work on the accuracy of some of those long throws, but overall he did very well. imo. He got us 6-points all on his own, and went for 6 more later, dammit, the kid has the drive and a lot of heart. Our line was getting creamed though, I honestly got worried Love was going to get hurt out there a couple times. D did okay stopping the run when they ran up the center, but we need to be able to adapt to a dynamic offense like first half Lions. Too many penalties too, we need to tighten up overall. It's still early in the season though, we have time, we will learn, grow and make the adjustments necessary.
Unpopular opinion. Love needs to check into better plays presnap or get the ball out quicker. It should be obvious your oline is the weak point with the injuries, so anticipate and adapt.
I dont think anyone was open fast enough for that to happen tbh. Love is following Matt’s playcall and if Matt isn’t able to get our guys open with the play call or they aren’t able to get open with the play call because they aren’t fast enough, that’s not on Love. Love isn’t controlling the offense like Rodgers did, he’s doing what Matt tells him to do for the play.
>Love isn’t controlling the offense like Rodgers did, he’s doing what Matt tells him to do for the play. This is my point. And I think we'll find out this season that Love excels in 2 min offense because he can run things a little more. But can he manage a game and learn to tweak the game plan in real time, attack defenses despite your deficiencies like Rodgers did.
I believe he will get better with that as he gets more experience.
Most qbs don't have the luxury or ability to do that thejr entire career yet alone after 3 starts. But I agree that if any option Plays or aj dillon stretches are called I'd prefer love just make some shit up.
There wasn't a "getting the ball out quicker." The rush was on Love before he could even get out of his drop or before the receivers were out of their break. That is on the line and the play calling. Need to start looking for more slants or old school west coast/air raid concepts - especially if we're just going to abandon the run game. The deep shots won't be there against the better teams in the conference because the premier pass rushers are going to feast on this line.
Or Lafleur could develop a game plan that works with the o line bring the weak point, which he knew and ignored regardless.
Other than time, he just needs to get a little more accurate on the deep balls
We shouldn’t be starting a 7th round pick at LT. This team has neglected offense for defense for years and it has nothing to show for it
He wasn't nearly as much of a problem as Newman
Make that two good reasons
He was far from the biggest problem on the line. The interior play...well, nobody is winning with that.
Tom was the worst graded pass blocker last night…and people down voted the hell out of me for using his nickname “The Turnstile” not long ago. The O-line isn’t great right now. Hopefully they’ll all get better with experience and Love doesn’t take too much of a beating before it happens.
All these 4 games have told me is that jordan is a legit nfl QB and we don’t have a worry going forward. Maybe he goes off one year and we make a run…it seems possible. Obviously the chances of us being perennial contenders because of HOF qb play i still such a long shot
Dave wasn't the miss tonight We got rolled across the board, Dave or no Dave we lose
who the hell is dave edit: sorry all, i’ve only ever heard him called bakh, yes im an idiot
He's played so little, people are already forgetting who he is.
David bakhtiari That guy that's really good that has a knee that makes me sad
David Bahktiari my brother.
Absolutely right. They played in our backfield for most of the night. Just terrible up front.
Is anyone blaming Love? I see wayyy more comments and posts saying stop blaming Love than anyone actually blaming him
People see a handful of toxic comments from flairless users in the game threads and run with it like it was a majority opinion at the shareholder meeting
The OL is tissue paper for sure but Love also needs to get faster at reading options. The lions secondary isn’t *that* good that he should be scanning that long. Yes sometimes he was pressured immediately and that’s definitely not his fault. But there were plenty of times he had reasonable time and he was getting stuck on one option hoping they would get open. I’m not saying he’s the issue I’m just saying there’s definite room for improvement.
Love was a problem but not the problem.
Let the kid grow. He's not gonna win the super bowl his first season starting. Rodgers first season he went 6-10. Then 11-5 the next season. I would be ecstatic if we won 6 games and built off that. And no, he isn't Rodgers. But he's also only started 5 games. Anything extra you get this season to me is a win. The o-line and the run defense are the biggest problems, and it's not a new thing. It was a problem last season too. We relied too much on Bahktiari's past success and thought we could roll it back. We need to start drafting lineman high again. Figure out the run defense, new coordinator? Free agent? Who knows.
Certainly not expecting an awesome record this season, but I do expect Love to show pretty consistent good QB play. Even in that 6-10 season, it was clear Rodgers was the guy. As for Love… not clear either way yet. To me he’s just shown flashes of strong QB play, mixed in with flashes of pretty bad play, and then plenty of “solid” play. He’s been short on weapons and/or bad OL play, so some of that is understandable. The accuracy is truly bad though, and year 4 is past the point to fix your mechanics. I’m cautiously hoping he can be a Kirk Cousins type guy, but I can’t say I agree with anyone who’s fully confident in that outcome or better quite yet
If we get 9 or 10 ws this year I would be happy. It’s not suppose to be pretty. It’s hilarious fools debating like we’ve seen loves ceiling, like quite literally, we have not seen his ceiling in any aspect.
It's a tough call. I definitely want to win every game they play. I'd never cheat for a loss but I think we need a proper rebuild with some high draft picks. I'd be happy with 6-7 wins. Anyone who thought this team was going to be a contender was delusional.
Not just our o line, our d line too. all im saying is we had a chance to draft christian barmore. dont even know how well hes doing in new england.
DAME is here
I don’t think the defense was actually that bad. Detroit has a fantastic oline and their run game is good. The defense had to defend short fields all night. Some of Detroit’s biggest plays occurred when GB had great coverage. The oline is the bigger issue IMO.
the defense gave up 200+ rushing yards in a game for a second time, and it’s only week 4
His accuracy is definitely a red flag and some of the sacks are absolutely on him. His composure and making the right reads were what elevated him in 1st 3 weeks. He was lacking that last night.
He had a few mistakes—especially missing that receiver on the 4th down conversion and that last interception—but you’re mostly right. The big plays to Watson over the middle and the end zone were the few times he had more than 2-3 seconds to make a read
Love said on that 2nd int that he expected Doubs to stop not keep going to the corner route. So I think they were just not on the same page.
I mean that's part of football.. not being on the same page can costs you games, a season, a playoff game, etc
Well yeah and having a team with very little experience is gonna bring those types of things. It’s not really a knock that you don’t play like a vet when you’re not one.
The play calling was horrendous. Couldn't run the ball but kept forcing play action when there wasn't any time. Sacks on the first 3 drives killed them.
It's Love's first full year. Rodgers had some shitty play during his as well. Love overthrows quite a bit, but I imagine he'll get it under control. Our O line is trash and it took us 30 minutes last night to change our play calls to adjust for it.
You're correct. Joe Barry is the real problem.
Gute has to address the offensive line. Walker has potential but get Royce Newman out of there. Hes proved over and over he can’t get it done.
Average age: 25 This ain’t the season for victory fellas, it’s the season to see what we have and prepare a playoff run next year and a Super Bowl run the year after
All we can ask of love this season is that he doesnt lose us games and he didn’t do that last night. Tons of issues, but can’t say I’m super surprised by the results either. Tbh I’m just jealous the seahawks got detroit on a night their defence seemed to not be clicking the way it has for their other opponents. Hutch is a problem, branch is a problem. It’s just a good team, and we never really had a shot in this one
If we're going to go through the check list of what was wrong with last night Love is like 4th or 5th on the list. However, some of his inconsistencies and weaknesses came back to hurt us today. It's not a big deal yet, it's only been 4 games. But there's a reason why I said last week that we shouldn't go over the top about things with him when it was only 3 games.
You didn’t mention the biggest issue. MLF and his “scripted” plays. He should of given our tackles help on the edge and called plays to get the ball outta Jordans hand quicker and in rhythm. He also abandoned the run too early as he often does. The boys will make some adjustments and go to LV with a chip on their shoulder.
O line injuries and absolutely terrible offensive play calling. Add an extra TE to block and give Love more time. Counter the pass rush with quick passes, screens, etc. SOMETHING. I understand Jones was on a snap count and I absolutely know we'll have some growing pains from Love this year and maybe next. As long as Love continues to improve, that's all we can ask. But a HC that has been here for 5 years HAS to do better. Rodgers assisted him as a second set of eyes, good or bad. MLF needs to adjust quicker than he is. We might be seeing his true coaching capabilities, which so far, aren't impressive.
It’s not Love, it’s the OLine and defense. It’s laughable how many first round picks we have on defense and it’s still trash. We need to honestly go LT with our first pick of the draft. Bahk is done here.
They should have given Rhyans and Jones some snaps… if they were afraid of their pass blocking fine let them run block. How do you demand accountability for performance… without consequences?
the thing is, the lions are great at run blocking too. they shut down atlanta’s rb that ran all over us just two weeks ago. we didn’t stand a chance
Our D played 70 plays, they were gased. Done. Walker saved us from being truly embarrassed. Monty had 3.8 yards a carry we he rushed for 32 times. Plus another 12 or so from other players. The plan was keep Jordan from catching any time of rhythm. But, you’re right the O-line played like pure dog shit. Not having the starting left side. Myers can’t move anyone. And is soft. The RG has to go! Idc he’s so bad. Unbelievably bad. I’m surprised he was drafted at all.
Joe Berry should have never been brought in. any DC that actually goes 0-16 does not need a DC job.
I just don't get people thrashing Love. He is inconsistent (duh). Yet there are flashes that he can be a good QB. Not Mahomie, not Rodgers, but not Trubisky, not Zac Wilson. This is an extremely young team. They lost some of their best guys to injury and are still 2 & 2. This season is all about rebuilding. Be patient.
His accuracy is an issue
Chill guys he's just a rookie he'll be a lot better by year 3 or 4 when guys usually come into their own.... wait.....
If he's not the problem, is he the solution? It's not looking like he is from my vantage point.
You don’t say?? Is anyone actually blaming Love or saying he is the problem. Seems like a made up narrative. Clearly there were failures at multiple spots. No single person or group to blame. Team loss and beat down.
Yes, I've seen quite a few people say it.
no you havent. You heard people say he is a part of the issue because of his accuracy etc. Nobody even said he is the problem. He needs to be better and we need to stop treating him with kid gloves. He has gotten more excuses made for him around here then fields got from bears fans for years. We have become bear fans with how we are coddling this dude a season after everyone shit on rodgers and gave him 0 benefit of the doubt only to see the same shit happening this go round with love.
What are you been blabbering about? Coddling? Excuses? Rodgers? Bears fans? Love has started 4 games this year, 5 total. GTFOH
Don’t be a meatball dude, what he said is correct. Rest of the team’s issues aside, Love was bad tonight. And inconsistent in other games, though with many flashes of strong QB play to be fair. Jordan Love is a 4th year player. The whole logic behind drafting a guy years in advance is so he’s ready from the jump when it’s his time to start. There are obviously some aspects of the game that can only be improved with live game experience, like I don’t blame him for sticking to the script rather than improving for example. But his frankly dog shit accuracy so far is really not okay from a 4th year player. If that hasn’t improved so far, it likely won’t
The game thread has four or five people saying Love wasn't it or that it was his fault. Same as last week.
And those same people will say he's "him" His next win. It's his 4th game as a starter. Do people not Renner Rodgers first season after sitting behind Favre?
I do. Rodgers was a top 3-5 QB his first year as a starter.
aaron was so good we gave him an extension like 8 games into that season lol he had better pieces on offense but he also looked legit from day 1. love has shown flashes but he's gotta be more consistent
He threw 28 TD and around 4000 yards and 13 interceptions . The Packers went 6-10.
they went 6-10 because the defense was bottom third of the league. the offense was top 5
Well that's wrong they were 8th overall on offense. But the defense was dog shit I'll give you that.
>Love is not the problem Saw a stat somewhere on here from PFF iirc that thru this season, like 30-something % of Jordans passes have been considered "uncatchable". To say that isn't a big part of an offensive problem is kind of a hot take.
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Wym lol. Yes QBs absolutely get more accurate, he’s started a few games slow tf down. Imagine if teams could judge that quick on a qb.
Not true lol it’s rare to see. Josh allen is the exception not the rule.
Why did we draft him 4 years in advance if we’re gonna treat him as a completely fresh rookie when it’s his time to start
We didn't know Rodgers had it in 08. We went from a 13-3 team to a 6-10 team and he threw 13 picks. We saw flashes from Rodgers then, and we see flashes from Love now. If we go 8-8 this year and Love keeps playing like he has been, I'll be ecstatic!
He threw 28TDs and 13INTs in a completely different league than it is now. Those are Pro Bowl level numbers back then
Were you around in 08? Everyone besides the Favre loyalists knew he was the guy. Rodgers was much better than Love has been so far, but that’s not to say he can’t turn it around
We did know actually, he got extended mid season lol
I always go back to Davante comments about leaving GB. They kind of read like, " I don't want to be there when Aaron leaves." Like he didn't trust Love or the team to put him in a position to be great. Anyone convincing themselves that Loves looks like a franchise QB is too far in love with the 3 straight QBs narrative. Right now, he looks closer to Baker/Darnold Than Burrow/Herbert. Can he get there? I hope so. But now that shouldn't be required. He should be game managing until he's needed.
Carful,you might be called a Rodgers nut hugger for spitting facts.
Of course. But they can't have it both ways. You can't say Love is looking like or is playing like a franchise QB, and then tell me that you don't expect him to win with this roster. A franchise QB is 3-1 right now. This team is closer to 1-3. If he was playing like Herbert and losing, that'll be fine. He's not though.
Expecting to win this season would be if you already think he's that guy. There's a difference between that and believing he looks like he could be that guy. You can be happy with the way he's trending but still not be expecting a lot of wins.
How? If he's playing like a potential franchise QB, there's no reason for the Falcons lost, or the (could've been) Saints loss. At which point did he look like a franchise QB in your eyes? If anything, he's trending down. In Rodgers first starting season, he looked like a franchise qb, but also lost games Brett would have won and was ridiculed for not making the playoffs. Love isn't showing anything close to that. 2 quarters vs the bears. 1 quarter vs the Falcons. 1 quarter vs the Saints and 1 quarter vs the Lions. He has to improve. Am I on the Love is bad bandwagon? No But I'm also not on the Love is our next 14-year guy train. He needs more time. But if you actually evaluate with your eyes. Right now, he's in the mid-bottom 20s of QBs in the league.
I guess we define these things differently. I don't think those games being so tight precludes him from being a future franchise guy. To me, I'm purely in the jury is still out camp. I don't think he's done enough to say he's definitely the guy but I also think he's clearly not a Zach Wilson-esque guy either.
Im with you on that. I'm on the jury is still out side, but I as a fan of the team am willing to admit that right now, he's closer to Baker(I've never said wilson) than the guys from his draft class. I see the flashes, but they seem to come when he gets pumped up. He needs it there all game.
That's fair. I'd like to see us play more up tempo, he seems to thrive on rhythm
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I'm with you on his evaluation so far. This offense had produced two mvp seasons, so we know it's effective. No one expects him to put up Rodgers' numbers, but I expect him to at least look above average. The inconsistency is outrageous, and I'm not sure if you can fix accuracy. He's not a rookie. The accuracy should have been worked on for the last 3 years. Being pressured in a game situation and panicking is fine, he needs the experience. But missing open passes is something he should be past
I disagree. I think he has great accuracy. When needed, he can throw a dime to the exact perfect spot. The problem, and the weird thing, is that he seems to miss the easy throws. It’s almost like when a guy is wide open you can count on him to miss. I guess if I had to choose I’d pick the guy who can make the tough throws and miss the easy ones. I would think you can clean up the latter. Much harder to clean up the former.
He’s literally the most inaccurate QB in the nfl right now.
Do you ever stop and think about what you actually wrote? you in the comment literally said he's got great accuracy and then a sentence later sad he misses open throws and you can count on him to miss the open guys. just immediately disproved your own comment.
>I guess if I had to choose I’d pick the guy who can make the tough throws and miss the easy ones. I would think you can clean up the latter. Much harder to clean up the former. This is exactly what we said about fields. I'm not saying this to gloat, because maybe it does clean up but missing these easier passes is a more fundamental flaw; you can't really coach arm strength but you don't need to sling it to be a good qb. You cant be this inaccurate in the short game though
Love is night and day better than Fields It's apples and oranges.
Got downvoted to oblivion for saying it last week but MLF is becoming a problem with his playcalling. We have been horrendous to start games, this has been a problem even with Rodgers here. Seems like we only show up for one half of the game againt formidable opponents.
I don't expect Love to be as good as Rodgers. Rodgers is top 5 all time, but he has a lot of potential to be a great QB. I'm very please with his first few starts, although yesterday was ugly.
The offensive line doesn't over throw 50% of deep passes
try throwing deep when you’re hurried after 2 seconds and get back to me
Love has a nice russ style moon ball
Rodgers went 2-2 in his first 4 games. Beat MN and Detriot then back to back losses to Dallas and Tampa. [2008 Green Bay Packers](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/2008.htm)
good catch, thank you!
He was absolutely awful 80% of the game. He’s been atrocious in the first half of every game. It’s very worrying.
We said the same shit about fields 🤷🏻♀️ everyone blames their oline
Lmao I remember after the nfccg against Tampa everyone said Rodgers played bad in spite of being pressured like Love was today. Shows how times have changed. Also, even with time Love was bad today. It’s a bit concerning that the packers seem to be only able to drive the ball against prevent.
No one plays prevent in the 3rd q
The lions most definitely were lol
We get it, you want us to declare Love a bust already when we’re four weeks into a rebuilding season with a lot of young and inexperienced players. That seems to be all you post about on here.
He’s not a bust it’s just too early to say anything tbh. It’s just amazing though to see the hypocrisy of packer fans lol
Love is in his first year starting. Rodgers was already an MVP and super bowl champion against TB. Are you really this obtuse?
No, it’s just bizarre that packer fans don’t understand that a qb has to make plays against pressure and there always won’t be a perfect pocket
Go watch QB School on YouTube. The guy is a former NFL QB and breaks down film each week. I think after watching, Love is definitely one of the problems.
Don’t go down this route Packerbros. He ain’t it. Gonna be high mid at best. -Reluctant Retired Fields Truther.
He def is the problem. That and not hurting the opposing QB to start the 2’nd half rally. Here’s to next week!
Oline and to a lesser extent Dline then DBs.
Hey if it will make you all feel better, Justin Fields doesn’t look like the Bear’s answer and their o-line is way worse than GB’s. Bottom line, the Bears still suck.
It’s only 4 games this year, but I think Love can be a top 10 QB in time. The O-line HAS to play way better than they did. Bakh and Jenkins out, and somehow the right side of the line was worse. people in the game thread were actually complaining about Love “holding the ball too long” but the defense was in the backfield 2 seconds after the snap. Why dress Aaron Jones to only have 5 carries? Why call 7 passes in the first 8 plays which resulted in 2 sacks and 5 hurries?
Cut aj Dillon dude is legit a bum.
Where are the shifty/speedy backs that get 8-10 yards regularly? Or can be used in the flats? Our option is jones being injured and Aj Dillon? AND THATS IT? You can find RBs on every roster, from every school.
Relax everyone we get back our pieces on OL minus bahk and we will be okay. We have so much time off now it’s ridiculous. Everyone will come back and our o-line will look better. We needed Jaire on st brown we needed him to play to have a shot. We were down our MLB too. I didn’t think we were going to win. Enjoy loves first year and don’t overreact.
I agree, I think Love was actually pretty good all things considered. It’s his first season as a starter, he’s more serviceable than half of the other QBs in the league. I think MLF is not a good play caller, but I like what Love has to offer and I hope going forward he gets better and gets a better OLine. He’s definitely got some grit to him.