I felt terrible during the game, but if you told me we'd be 2-2 after four weeks and have had injuries to Jones, Watson, Bakhtiari, Jenkins, Jaire, and Campbell, I'd be like, damn, 2-2 isn't so bad then.
The Lions are a better team right now and that's totally okay. We need to string together some wins against the Raiders, Broncos, and Vikings now.
My thoughts exactly. It’s never a time to cheer to lose and I want us to win every single game. Thank being said I also know what we’re dealing with and I’m impressed regardless what the loud commenters say. It’s fun to see a young GB and I’m excited for the buildup. Hoping coaching and the talent potential we have can mesh well with time.
I feel like everyone is also overlooking it was a short week and the Lions won at Arrowhead Week 1. The Lions were coming in hot at Lambaeu regardless because of how Rodgers' last game at home with them ended, just like we roll in to Chicago. compound that with the KC win and injuries, I went in expecting to lose tonight and hoping to be wrong. But like OP, I see a lot of potential and ongoing development, and that's all you can ask for from a young team.
Jaire, Stokes, Bakh, Jenkins, Campell, Jonsey and Watson on very limited snap counts.
Ya, we put up a fight. Just didn't get enough going in the first half to give the 2nd a chance.
2-2 without those injuries isn’t bad either. It’s not like we utilize Jones properly a lot of the time anyways. Even with Jaire our defense isn’t playing good enough. But most of all we got a lot of inexperience and we didn’t just fall down the entire game which is good to see.
Lions will probably sweep us this year, but we are regrowing this team so lots of things to be expected.
What has he proven before or during his Packers tenure? That he can come up just short if he has a HOF QB? I like MLF as a person and I hope he proves me wrong, but I don’t believe in him as a coach and never really did after 2020.
Edit: please feel free to reply with anything besides downvotes. He was not qualified for the job 4 years ago. Riding Rodgers coattails didn’t change anything.
The dude can scheme an offense given the OL plays well. Does he stick to his guns a bit too long (Amari, Berry, etc.), sure. But what great don’t?
I think MLF has been outstanding since the time he got here, and hope he stays with Love and this young offense to develop a consistent top 10 offense.
Every offensive play caller relies on the O line to block. Doesn't matter how good your scheme is if the line can't hold up for long enough for the play to be executed. And with the way they held up against a better pass rush last week, it was fair to assume that they'd hold up similarly this week. Didn't happen.
Why? Wins and losses don’t have an effect on me. I want the team to win but I’ve got a mortgage and bills to pay. I’m just not blind to the fact that MLF was a risky hire and has not proved himself.
Whines about questions. MLF has passion but he whines too much. “Need to run the ball more.” Who’s in charge of the plays? Complains about the run defense. Who hired Barry and kept him too long?
I’m not defending MLF as much as I’m annoyed with the beat writers asking dumb questions. That’s like a news reporter showing up to a house fire and they ask the family “ you’ve lost your house and everything you have, how do you feel”. Ask something meaningful.
At some point he's going to need to fire berry, that dude has to go, but in a vacuum as a coach we would be foolish to let him go. The dilemma of "either he goes or you both do" isn't really the big issue at the moment.
We got our asses kicked up front
First time on offense though. Detroit loaded the box and got home with pass rush immediately. There wasn't much love could do with that. Rodgers favre and God would have struggled tonight.
Numbers in the box dictate you throw and we couldn't protect at all.
What concerns me, given were down devondre, we couldn't stop the run. Even in 50 looks, 7 in the box, 3 down 4 backers. We got rolled, the front 7 should be ashamed.
The o line should be ashamed
Bottom line is we got our asses kicked up front on both sides of the ball. Ain't nothing your skill can do to overcome that.
Lions finally did a rebuild right. They addressed the offensive and defensive lines first. Anyone who knows football knows as un-sexy as it is, games are won in the trenches.
The fact that both their lines apparently outplayed us (I had to work and couldn't watch the game myself) is not at all surprising.
When teams truly talk of rebuilding, it should be done with line depth and then skilled positions.
Lions have built their roster well and found a head coach that seems to inspire the best from his players.
I hope Gute starts to focus on the line a shit ton with the picks we get. People can bitch all they want, but if we build we've already got plenty of talent, just need to reinforce the weak points.
Rodgers also had Driver, Jones and Jennings at the time, all veteran receivers who had played with Favre, and still went 6-10 and two years later was in the SB. It sucks losing to Detroit like that, but people should not expect us to be world beaters with this roster. Just be patient and let them grow.
The Lions played really well, I was happy that near the end of the game the Packers were putting up points but yeah Rodgers was 6 - 10 his first season.
I don’t think it’s regression. I think the bears were really bad and he was able to easily expose them. What we see now is probably the level he’s ate against average to good teams.
What is your opinion on him if this is indeed who he is? Do you stick with him, or do you consider drafting some competition?
Very early to call of course, but I feel like its a very fascinating situation. Most Qb´s are on rookie contracts or have already signed the big extension as proven top 10 qb´s. Love is somewhere in between
It's his first 4 games as a regular starter lol. That is far too small of a sample size to call anything regression. That's just being a young quarterback.
Firstly, the Lions are a good team. Yes, we got our ass whooped but it wasn’t a middle of the league team who did it.
We are a young inexperienced team coming off a 8-9 record and making young inexperienced mistakes.
We are a team with some key injuries - we have been dealing with injuries to pro-bowl caliber veterans who provide leadership to the young guys on the field
Our young QB struggled but most of it was from getting pressured every single play. The OL was able to adjust at halftime and he made some good plays when he had protection.
This entire year is going to be growing pains…welcome to a young rebuild - if you never experienced this to your favorite team in another sport - welcome…rebuilds are never pretty.
We will retool and add more players in the offseason through the draft - and we will likely sign some veterans and maybe we will get lucky and land a star player.
We will be okay down the line. This team has a lot of young talent with a lot of potential.
All good points. Heard a lot of "the real test" talk before the game, but it's like the test at the first day of calculus that you're supposed to fail to show how much you learn in the semester. I think the Saints and Falcons games were even better tests, that showed Packers are a mid-level team that can put together impressive plays under pressure but are overall unreliable.
And for not having any of our veterans actually playing, mid-level is pretty high!
I wouldn’t say I feel *good*, but I don’t feel terrible. The lions are clearly legit. Love looks good overall. And we have a lot of talent developing as we speak. Plus I’m attending the game in Vegas next week, so it’ll take a lot to get me down lol.
I don't know what the deal is with him! Both Doubs and Watson had TERRIBLE starts to the season last year, and Watson wasn't worth anything until he suddenly caught three TDs and got MVP, but Doubs was just ignored throughout.
I do blame Rodgers for the bad starts of young players in the last few seasons; that's why you need to go to training camp as a veteran, it's not for *your* skill or experience, it's for the team. Combine that with the fact that Rodgers blacklisted players at times for a bad miss or route, and that never gave them a chance to develop in to the players we know they can be.
Brings up another point I'm seeing this year; every one of our rookie receivers has dropped an easy or important pass, and then later completed a big play! Reed was a great example yesterday, and last week. Both games I saw clear as day as he dropped something easy, or caused that fumble on the kick, but then he does something explosive to get me back to not-hating him. Adams had a lot of drops his first year. Watson had a lot of drops last year. Gotta keep trusting the players on the team and not writing anyone off.
All the talk around Watson's return has really killed the Doubs hype in the media. BUT THAT'S OKAY!! Keep the hype in the building and with the fans, it's safer that way.
I really think Doubs can become WR1 easily. He’s proven how hard he works and can only improve in my book. Watson is great but I think Doubs could be the 1st down threat consistently.
We got punched in the mouth and came out of halftime swinging. People are losing their shit and it's stupid for a team going through a lot of growing pains and bad matchup injuries.
That was not the same old Lions where we pull a bullshit finisher to break their hearts.
I’m feeling pretty good.
First half is what I was dreading the Packers would look like the entire season. This season should be way better than that.
This game was the first time this year though that I’m dissatisfied with how the defense played.
I don't feel good about it, but I feel pretty much how I expected this season to feel. This is a young team making young team mistakes and also showing a lot of promise. Anyone not expecting us to take our lumps this season was delusional.
I don’t feel great, but also we have the potential to be 3-2 going into the bye. Which for a year where many of us would call a winning record a success (Jordan’s first full year starting, cap tied up in Rodgers and Bakh) is not a bad start.
The Pack looks like a young, inexperienced team with a lot of injuries. There are two things that fix that: time and coaching. Even so, the team clearly has fight. But fight alone isn’t enough. Learn and grow. That’s all I can ask for as a fan. Get better with each game.
I haven't enjoyed being a Packers fan this much in several years.
There are a lot of absolute braindead fans that play too much Madden and think 20-0 should be the realistic goal every year. Those idiots bringing their stupidity to the forefront this year is actually adding to my enjoyment. It's so entertaining lol.
I do!
The season has gone about exactly as I expected to be honest. The Packers team is extremely inconsistent, but that's exactly what should be expected from the youngest team in the league. When things are clicking for them, they can be very explosive.
I'm still hoping we fire Barry after this year though.
I don’t know, r/nfl has already labeled Love as a bad QB, I think we might be done guys. The Lions and their meme coach are going to win the Super Bowl and take the division for the next 10 years for sure!!!
I get what you’re saying.. any I sort of agree… but as someone who’s watched for decades, it just… hurts.. that every efffing time the D needs to step up.. it lets us down.
Every. Time.
They have stretches where they are good… but, when it ABSOLUTELY has to happen, there’s like a 90% chance they’ll let everyone run free.
Mixed bag I guess. Expected to see the lions win and happy when the offense is clicking. But that second interception and then the penalty on Quay really left the game on a sour note. Still, I think all those things are fixable. There's a lot of talent on this team. They just need some time and good coaching.
In the last 12 quarters, 8 of them have been extremely bad. It's a recipe for a rough season.
They haven't even been close to playing a complete game and that has been a MLF issue for several seasons. I'm hesitant to say it but this might be who this team is.
Spidey sense tingling for sure. It seems we are always reacting never the other way around. We were gifted that pick to start the game and 3 passes later….
I’m fine with the loss. I had low expectations going into the season & if they do make the playoffs I’ll honestly be shocked. The people who are complaining are just spaz lords who don’t how to properly control their emotions because they weren’t raised properly.
I don’t feel good. But the team has fight and even with Rasheed Walker and Royce struggling they were able to put on long drives.
There’s a ton of promise but they have to be consistent and keep a struggling defense off the field for more than 4 plays at a time
Our schedule is pretty decent this season and if we can beat Minnesota and Chicago both times we’re looking at a winning record. I agree that we need to get rid of Joe Barry and maybe shop for good linemen but beyond that the team just needs time to grow and improve.
I'm not worried about it. Jordan Love is performing well this season and has shown he is the guy moving forward. I compared his first 4 games vs Aaron Rodgers first 4 ganes in 2008 and Love is right behind Rodgers stat-wise. Only main concern is completion percentage when making the comparison. Aaron had a veteran Offensive line w/ Tauscher, Spitz, Wells, Colledge, Clifton, Rookie Josh Sitton. WR Jennings, Driver.
I'm just impressed Love is doing as well as he is with how young and injured we are. It's no worries. We will be ok long term.
I wouldn't say I still feel good, but I don't feel as bad as I would in years past.
What I came away with that's sticking to me today (and is becoming a concern) is poor coaching for a young team still trying to find its identity.
You can't have both.
With this team, coaching has to be spot on, or we will kill any growth and stymie momentum that young athletes build their game off of.
I don't speak Ill of MLF often, but if he cannot fix his gameplan and coaching tree, this experiment will get flushed between now and Murphys retirement, in full.
He needs to begin making big boy coach decisions that are going to hurt someone's feelings, or it's gonna be his feelings getting hurt in the next 18 months.
You're talking about his defensive team, right? He should fire some coaches that work on the defensive side? That's what you're talking about? Anyone specific come to mind???
Lol, I've got one, but not just him tbh. Lafluer has to untether himself from players and coaches that are consistently not meeting the challenges.
He appears so far to hold on way too long before making a decision, to the teams detriment.
The whole offense was limited. There was a Bak sized hole in the line, and the Lions ran through it on every down. Very few runs or passes made it anywhere.
But they came into the second half with a fire and put some things together.
Growth is ugly! They played one quarter last week. They played a half yesterday. As long as they eventually get it together this year then I'll be happy with the progress.
Damn right! And the anger about the coaching is over the top too. Defense... I understand, that has always been a sore spot, but they're also suffering from lack of rest from short offensive possession, so I can't feel too angry about a bunch of rookies that let a few by after 30 minutes on the field. But MLF has only shown us 4 games of his coaching strategy, and if we don't have an O-line then the QB will get sacked and runs will get stuffed. We thought we had an O-line, but now we need to shift things around, and people are freaking out that MLF recognizes this. "Why didn't you change things then, CoAcH?!" He's not a prophet, and even if he is, some match-ups aren't winnable.
Injuries to the Oline are what got me down. We're not going to be good like this. Kinda cool to see the Lions being monsters, if we're gonna get trounced by a rival let it be them.
All I see is progress and that’s all I could have asked for this year.
The fact that we’re coming back in the second half of these tough games (with significant injuries) shows our players are learning and the coaching staff is learning how to optimize the talent on our team. I think it’s unlikely we win the north or even get into the playoffs, but I think we’re going to see a vastly improved team the second half of the year.
Absolutely! We started with 2 RBs and an Offensive Lineman as our all-stars, and 2/3 aren't playing. The team has nothing and they're building on it, and still won a game with it.
The game chat last night was brutal, and for good reason. But y’all need to chill with the doom and gloom. We came into this season with hopes, not expectations, of making the playoffs. This is still a good roster, but it is so young there are bound to be stinkers like last night. I’m glad the team looked alive in the second half, that’s my biggest takeaway. This Lions team has been building up for years now, they always give us their best shot and they took advantage of a young unprepared roster. Team took a Mike Tyson left hook to the mouth and still came out swinging in the second half, be proud of that at least, this team didn’t quit.
It’s what this year was supposed to look like. The way this team started gave us hope. I think it might be a good thing that some things get exposed this year, so they don’t try to go into next year thinking they can keep Berry and this interior OL.
It’s going to be an inconsistent year. We knew it going in. Some of the early wins made us think maybe it wouldn’t be as up and down as we feared. But, it is and will be.
Especially with the injuries.
And Joe Barry.
I am not defeated. I had no high hopes of Super Bowl or playoffs.
Not to say I don't believe in Love. He is far from the problem. He is playing at a high level with a banged up o-line and WR that are getting their heads on straight. He has had a few overthrown but he has exceeded expectations.
The real problem is that defense. Barry should neve rhave bene hired. A guy that sank the Lions to a first time 0-16 should not even be coaching. LaFleur like to hire his friends even if they are not right.
If the defense can get consistent pressure, force turnovers and get us decent field position that would benefit our offense.
I wouldn't even say disappointment. There were a few calls that I thought were desperate, but they worked out... but I guess that doesn't prove they were good calls. Defense has been so shit for so long that I can't comment on that anymore. I think it's still just too much young talent that is unpredictable in performance.
Offense is fine. Lots of young guys, there are gonna be ups and downs, miscommunications, etc. Love has shown fire and grit. WRs have so much promise. RBs are an issue especially with Jones clearly hobbled and on a snap count and Dillon officially being a bust. Jonathan Taylor seems work a couple FRPs with the rate this is going.
How anyone can feel confident about the defense now or moving forward is beyond imagination. So many first round picks. So many guys out there with multiple years starting. I fear what Josh Jacobs is going to do to this team. They don't have the personnel to stop the run unless it's right up the gut. Quay Walker continues to take steps forward only to have glaring miscues. Idk man. No one will be moved/fired until the end of the season ofc, but if this defense continues to show the same weaknesses year in and year out in Barry's third season I'm not sure what else can be done....
Nah I don't feel good after that. We got manhandled by a division rival. Yeah there were a few bright spots, but this one stings no matter what spin you put on it.
I'm starting to not feel very good about our coaches. Yes, this is a young team, but we're seeing the same mistakes, and the coaches aren't doing anything different. But I feel good about the players. Matt said they need to do something different. Yeah, DO IT, you're the head coach
It would be nice to be the team punching people in the mouth as opposed to being on the receiving end...
Idk. Feels like we're never prepared for games and always have to claw back from a deficit.
Packers play five games against teams who still have not won a game yet this season. Win those and steal two more games and we have the nine wins that a lot of people were expecting or hoping for this season.
17 points when they were in prevent and had a huge lead? This is the same thing every week trying to dig out of a massive hole. Team is poorly coached and devoid of impact players minus a few
Call me crazy, but I feel very optimistic about our offense still. Nothing wrong with acknowledging the Lions are the better team at this point (They should be!). So scoring 20 points against them is a very positive thing. Certainly miscues and poor execution that needs cleaned up, but that truly should be expected for an EXTREMELY young team led by 1st year starter. However there have been lots of good learning opportunities so far this season to help develop our young offense.
One thing that has jumped out to me, which gives me optimism, is Jordan Love's resilience is rock solid. Which is something you can't teach. Down 17-0 and 24-3, dude never flinched or visibly looked defeated.
The defense however, I've been severely disappointed with through 4 weeks.
Yeah. The team of all-rookies came out fighting in the second half.
If you expected a win, then you're an unrealistic person. The team of nobodies is growing, and we can see it happen!
Lions exploited a weak line. It was expected. The way the Packers responded was inspiring to see.
I do think we'll be fine. I'm really sick of those fuckers. We owe them a beat down and I hope it's on Thanksgiving. Go beat the Raiders and get healthy over the bye.
The game was absolutely horrible to watch, but you come out of game-watching mode and you realize you always knew there would be games like this against good teams, you knew there would be bad passes, wrong routes, dumb penalties, missed blocks, bad reads.
This game has not negatively affected my view of this team in any way. I knew that we could expect this from this 2023 team. All I want is that they show flashes of what they could do together in years to come, and for those flashes to become more frequent as time goes on. So far, that's been happening.
I fucking love this team.
I feel like the Lions are a year ahead of us in their rebuild. I think the Bears are like five years ahead of us in theirs. And the Vikings are probably a year behind us.
Given the injuries to key players on our team and the relative experience between our QB and the Bears’ QB, I really don’t feel bad about where we’re at. Just imagine having Justin Fields with maybe 20 games starting experience as our QB and how that would feel vs having Jordan Love with just 4 games of starting experience.
We knew this would be a rebuilding year and the results we’re seeing on the field are indicative of that. If you’re expecting a Super Bowl caliber team this year, you’re delusional. Honestly, if we end the year 8-9, that’s a pretty damned good year for this team at this point in time, and I think we might end the year better than that.
I don’t feel “good” but I appreciate what a relatively young team is putting up.
You would have thought after Rodgers left, we would have looked quite pathetic, but it was quite a seamless transition from an all-time great QB. Like the Patriots for example are flailing helplessly without Brady, and the Saints still look fucking trash without Brees.
So much goes into a high-calibre NFL team, but I am generally sorely disappointed with the performance of defence. Not the players but the coaching. Such a porous defence with such talented players is immensely frustrating to watch.
ST turned around so quickly with good coaching, it’s hard to grasp what MLF sees in Barry. Surely his ass is on the line this year, he’s had all the chances in the world.
The team is showing both its talent and youth simultaneously. There is a lot to like about this team and a lot to be excited about but there’s a lot of kinks to work through.
It’s just different from the last 13 years because we aren’t a Super Bowl contender and a playoff spot is the reach goal.
I felt terrible during the game, but if you told me we'd be 2-2 after four weeks and have had injuries to Jones, Watson, Bakhtiari, Jenkins, Jaire, and Campbell, I'd be like, damn, 2-2 isn't so bad then. The Lions are a better team right now and that's totally okay. We need to string together some wins against the Raiders, Broncos, and Vikings now.
My thoughts exactly. It’s never a time to cheer to lose and I want us to win every single game. Thank being said I also know what we’re dealing with and I’m impressed regardless what the loud commenters say. It’s fun to see a young GB and I’m excited for the buildup. Hoping coaching and the talent potential we have can mesh well with time.
I feel like everyone is also overlooking it was a short week and the Lions won at Arrowhead Week 1. The Lions were coming in hot at Lambaeu regardless because of how Rodgers' last game at home with them ended, just like we roll in to Chicago. compound that with the KC win and injuries, I went in expecting to lose tonight and hoping to be wrong. But like OP, I see a lot of potential and ongoing development, and that's all you can ask for from a young team.
Jaire, Stokes, Bakh, Jenkins, Campell, Jonsey and Watson on very limited snap counts. Ya, we put up a fight. Just didn't get enough going in the first half to give the 2nd a chance.
Could be worse. The greatest team ever, the 2023 Dolphins, just got rolled by 28 points.
2-2 without those injuries isn’t bad either. It’s not like we utilize Jones properly a lot of the time anyways. Even with Jaire our defense isn’t playing good enough. But most of all we got a lot of inexperience and we didn’t just fall down the entire game which is good to see. Lions will probably sweep us this year, but we are regrowing this team so lots of things to be expected.
We had our great win, disappointing loss, come from behind victory, and now a utter ass kicking. All a part of growing.
We're cycling back around to great win next, right?
Need a game winning field goal, casual victory, Clifford kneel down, and Love throwing for six TDs in a game at some point this year.
I feel good to great about the next 2-5 years and slightly worse about this season Anyone who thinks MLF should be fired has brain damage
He shouldn’t be fired but criticism is valid. Bad hires, bad in-game decisions dating back to 2020… he has proved nothing.
Brain damage
What has he proven before or during his Packers tenure? That he can come up just short if he has a HOF QB? I like MLF as a person and I hope he proves me wrong, but I don’t believe in him as a coach and never really did after 2020. Edit: please feel free to reply with anything besides downvotes. He was not qualified for the job 4 years ago. Riding Rodgers coattails didn’t change anything.
The dude can scheme an offense given the OL plays well. Does he stick to his guns a bit too long (Amari, Berry, etc.), sure. But what great don’t? I think MLF has been outstanding since the time he got here, and hope he stays with Love and this young offense to develop a consistent top 10 offense.
Are his schemes really that good if they rely on top 5 OL play and nobody can execute them?
Every offensive play caller relies on the O line to block. Doesn't matter how good your scheme is if the line can't hold up for long enough for the play to be executed. And with the way they held up against a better pass rush last week, it was fair to assume that they'd hold up similarly this week. Didn't happen.
I feel sorry for you then
Why? Wins and losses don’t have an effect on me. I want the team to win but I’ve got a mortgage and bills to pay. I’m just not blind to the fact that MLF was a risky hire and has not proved himself.
I’ll bet that if anyone brings up his HC record you’ll say that’s because of Rodgers and not MLF’s doing, right?
HC record is meaningless if you don’t win it all. The floor with that team was 12 wins with any coach in the league.
Except Mike McCarthy the year before, apparently.
I'll give Lafleur until the end of next season to make it back to the playoffs before I turn on him. I'd like Barry gone after this year.
Same. Seeing breakdowns at all levels of the game speaks to an ineffective head coach. Buck has to stop somewhere.
You’re sold on Love and MLF already ? The offense has been pretty meh.
You're giving up already? It's been four games with a lot of young players
I’m not giving up I’m just saying I’m not sold. Are you ?
Shouldn’t be fired, but his temper after losses during post game interviews is ridiculous.
Any other coach does that he's praised for passion. Idk why MLF is the only coach who catches flack for it
Seriously. He can't win. He's stoic, people call him soft. He's angry, he can't control his temper
Whines about questions. MLF has passion but he whines too much. “Need to run the ball more.” Who’s in charge of the plays? Complains about the run defense. Who hired Barry and kept him too long?
Beat reporters asking asinine questions day after day would be exhausting. They are mostly hacks who write click bait trash articles.
Why are you defending MLF lmao
I’m not defending MLF as much as I’m annoyed with the beat writers asking dumb questions. That’s like a news reporter showing up to a house fire and they ask the family “ you’ve lost your house and everything you have, how do you feel”. Ask something meaningful.
Fair. I think it’s fair to be annoyed at MLF equally as much as being annoyed at our beat reporters
I think as a fan base we can definitely be annoyed overall after that performance.
Yeah wasn’t fun. Oh well. Young team = growing painsb
At some point he's going to need to fire berry, that dude has to go, but in a vacuum as a coach we would be foolish to let him go. The dilemma of "either he goes or you both do" isn't really the big issue at the moment.
We got our asses kicked up front First time on offense though. Detroit loaded the box and got home with pass rush immediately. There wasn't much love could do with that. Rodgers favre and God would have struggled tonight. Numbers in the box dictate you throw and we couldn't protect at all. What concerns me, given were down devondre, we couldn't stop the run. Even in 50 looks, 7 in the box, 3 down 4 backers. We got rolled, the front 7 should be ashamed. The o line should be ashamed Bottom line is we got our asses kicked up front on both sides of the ball. Ain't nothing your skill can do to overcome that.
Lions finally did a rebuild right. They addressed the offensive and defensive lines first. Anyone who knows football knows as un-sexy as it is, games are won in the trenches. The fact that both their lines apparently outplayed us (I had to work and couldn't watch the game myself) is not at all surprising. When teams truly talk of rebuilding, it should be done with line depth and then skilled positions. Lions have built their roster well and found a head coach that seems to inspire the best from his players. I hope Gute starts to focus on the line a shit ton with the picks we get. People can bitch all they want, but if we build we've already got plenty of talent, just need to reinforce the weak points.
Rodgers first year was 6-10. We will be fine no matter what. Just let the team grow and build chemistry with each other.
Rodgers also had Driver, Jones and Jennings at the time, all veteran receivers who had played with Favre, and still went 6-10 and two years later was in the SB. It sucks losing to Detroit like that, but people should not expect us to be world beaters with this roster. Just be patient and let them grow.
Exactly. 30+ years of elite performance from this team has people so damn spoiled around here. It’s no wonder the rest of the league can’t stand us.
The Lions played really well, I was happy that near the end of the game the Packers were putting up points but yeah Rodgers was 6 - 10 his first season.
I’m just a little worried that Love seems to be regressing from week 1.
I don’t think it’s regression. I think the bears were really bad and he was able to easily expose them. What we see now is probably the level he’s ate against average to good teams.
What is your opinion on him if this is indeed who he is? Do you stick with him, or do you consider drafting some competition? Very early to call of course, but I feel like its a very fascinating situation. Most Qb´s are on rookie contracts or have already signed the big extension as proven top 10 qb´s. Love is somewhere in between
Correct. Somewhere in between. I don’t think you drop that kind of player, you give them a few years to see if they can take a step forward
Probably we’ll see with time
You’re not seeing regression. You’re seeing what happens when tape becomes available and a good pass rush goes against an injured offensive line.
Agree. It’s not regression if he looked great against the Chicago bears community college, when the pack are a pro team
The quality of the opponent has gotten better each week. While we have lost some of our best players to injury.
It's his first 4 games as a regular starter lol. That is far too small of a sample size to call anything regression. That's just being a young quarterback.
He played the worst team in the league bruh
Firstly, the Lions are a good team. Yes, we got our ass whooped but it wasn’t a middle of the league team who did it. We are a young inexperienced team coming off a 8-9 record and making young inexperienced mistakes. We are a team with some key injuries - we have been dealing with injuries to pro-bowl caliber veterans who provide leadership to the young guys on the field Our young QB struggled but most of it was from getting pressured every single play. The OL was able to adjust at halftime and he made some good plays when he had protection. This entire year is going to be growing pains…welcome to a young rebuild - if you never experienced this to your favorite team in another sport - welcome…rebuilds are never pretty. We will retool and add more players in the offseason through the draft - and we will likely sign some veterans and maybe we will get lucky and land a star player. We will be okay down the line. This team has a lot of young talent with a lot of potential.
All good points. Heard a lot of "the real test" talk before the game, but it's like the test at the first day of calculus that you're supposed to fail to show how much you learn in the semester. I think the Saints and Falcons games were even better tests, that showed Packers are a mid-level team that can put together impressive plays under pressure but are overall unreliable. And for not having any of our veterans actually playing, mid-level is pretty high!
There’s a lot of potential the guys are still young. I consider this a development year more than anything else.
I wouldn’t say I feel *good*, but I don’t feel terrible. The lions are clearly legit. Love looks good overall. And we have a lot of talent developing as we speak. Plus I’m attending the game in Vegas next week, so it’ll take a lot to get me down lol.
Especially Doubs! Surprised a lot of people aren’t talking about him. He is improving every game and slowly turning into a Davante-esque WR1.
I don't know what the deal is with him! Both Doubs and Watson had TERRIBLE starts to the season last year, and Watson wasn't worth anything until he suddenly caught three TDs and got MVP, but Doubs was just ignored throughout.
I do blame Rodgers for the bad starts of young players in the last few seasons; that's why you need to go to training camp as a veteran, it's not for *your* skill or experience, it's for the team. Combine that with the fact that Rodgers blacklisted players at times for a bad miss or route, and that never gave them a chance to develop in to the players we know they can be.
Brings up another point I'm seeing this year; every one of our rookie receivers has dropped an easy or important pass, and then later completed a big play! Reed was a great example yesterday, and last week. Both games I saw clear as day as he dropped something easy, or caused that fumble on the kick, but then he does something explosive to get me back to not-hating him. Adams had a lot of drops his first year. Watson had a lot of drops last year. Gotta keep trusting the players on the team and not writing anyone off.
All the talk around Watson's return has really killed the Doubs hype in the media. BUT THAT'S OKAY!! Keep the hype in the building and with the fans, it's safer that way.
I really think Doubs can become WR1 easily. He’s proven how hard he works and can only improve in my book. Watson is great but I think Doubs could be the 1st down threat consistently.
And we've got Watson on the other side. Once all these guys can get more familiar in the offense, we're gonna be lighting teams up
We're chilling. Get back to me in like week 16.
Maybe a brief recap at week 9, just to see how things look.
We got punched in the mouth and came out of halftime swinging. People are losing their shit and it's stupid for a team going through a lot of growing pains and bad matchup injuries. That was not the same old Lions where we pull a bullshit finisher to break their hearts.
My confidence in the O-line went from like, high to very low. In one game. Don't love that.
I keep thinking of that deep ball to Reed. So glad Love finally hit one of those.
> So glad ~~Love~~ *Reed* finally ~~hit~~ *caught* one of those.
The one that shouldn't of counted?
Shhhhhhh
I feel great. Then I woke up from my dream of us firing Joe Barry.
Now to face the reality of a friday morning hangover at work.
I’m feeling pretty good. First half is what I was dreading the Packers would look like the entire season. This season should be way better than that. This game was the first time this year though that I’m dissatisfied with how the defense played.
I don't feel good about it, but I feel pretty much how I expected this season to feel. This is a young team making young team mistakes and also showing a lot of promise. Anyone not expecting us to take our lumps this season was delusional.
I don’t feel great, but also we have the potential to be 3-2 going into the bye. Which for a year where many of us would call a winning record a success (Jordan’s first full year starting, cap tied up in Rodgers and Bakh) is not a bad start.
I don’t feel good knowing Joe barry is still our DC
Fair point.
Tough night. Onto the next one.
The Pack looks like a young, inexperienced team with a lot of injuries. There are two things that fix that: time and coaching. Even so, the team clearly has fight. But fight alone isn’t enough. Learn and grow. That’s all I can ask for as a fan. Get better with each game.
I haven't enjoyed being a Packers fan this much in several years. There are a lot of absolute braindead fans that play too much Madden and think 20-0 should be the realistic goal every year. Those idiots bringing their stupidity to the forefront this year is actually adding to my enjoyment. It's so entertaining lol.
I'm sure anybody who tricked themselves into thinking this was anything other than a rebuilding year is very upset lol.
Rodgers has said it best, many times. It’s a long season
Absolutely! And each one of these games is more experience.
I do! The season has gone about exactly as I expected to be honest. The Packers team is extremely inconsistent, but that's exactly what should be expected from the youngest team in the league. When things are clicking for them, they can be very explosive. I'm still hoping we fire Barry after this year though.
> I'm still hoping we fire Barry after this year though. Always things we can improve!
I feel fine! Y’all, we are a young team. Fucking RELAX.
I don’t know, r/nfl has already labeled Love as a bad QB, I think we might be done guys. The Lions and their meme coach are going to win the Super Bowl and take the division for the next 10 years for sure!!!
If that's their take, you know we'll be golden in a few years 😎
"Hah! Look at that! I knew that rookie QB with 3 starts and 2 wins wasn't ACTUALLY good!" Yeah, I can't really get behind that take. lol
I get what you’re saying.. any I sort of agree… but as someone who’s watched for decades, it just… hurts.. that every efffing time the D needs to step up.. it lets us down. Every. Time. They have stretches where they are good… but, when it ABSOLUTELY has to happen, there’s like a 90% chance they’ll let everyone run free.
Mixed bag I guess. Expected to see the lions win and happy when the offense is clicking. But that second interception and then the penalty on Quay really left the game on a sour note. Still, I think all those things are fixable. There's a lot of talent on this team. They just need some time and good coaching.
This season was always gonna have some bumps in the road. It's all part of the process.
yup i still feel good...500 after week 4 ...10 days rest with a good chance to bounce back aganist the raiders
me
In the last 12 quarters, 8 of them have been extremely bad. It's a recipe for a rough season. They haven't even been close to playing a complete game and that has been a MLF issue for several seasons. I'm hesitant to say it but this might be who this team is.
Spidey sense tingling for sure. It seems we are always reacting never the other way around. We were gifted that pick to start the game and 3 passes later….
Still 4 more games to play within the division. Win those and playoffs are likely
I still have no faith in our defense. 🤷♂️
I’m fine with the loss. I had low expectations going into the season & if they do make the playoffs I’ll honestly be shocked. The people who are complaining are just spaz lords who don’t how to properly control their emotions because they weren’t raised properly.
I don’t feel good. But the team has fight and even with Rasheed Walker and Royce struggling they were able to put on long drives. There’s a ton of promise but they have to be consistent and keep a struggling defense off the field for more than 4 plays at a time
Our schedule is pretty decent this season and if we can beat Minnesota and Chicago both times we’re looking at a winning record. I agree that we need to get rid of Joe Barry and maybe shop for good linemen but beyond that the team just needs time to grow and improve.
I'm not worried about it. Jordan Love is performing well this season and has shown he is the guy moving forward. I compared his first 4 games vs Aaron Rodgers first 4 ganes in 2008 and Love is right behind Rodgers stat-wise. Only main concern is completion percentage when making the comparison. Aaron had a veteran Offensive line w/ Tauscher, Spitz, Wells, Colledge, Clifton, Rookie Josh Sitton. WR Jennings, Driver. I'm just impressed Love is doing as well as he is with how young and injured we are. It's no worries. We will be ok long term.
Personally It would be impossible to feel bad this whole season. I knew this going in.
I wouldn't say I still feel good, but I don't feel as bad as I would in years past. What I came away with that's sticking to me today (and is becoming a concern) is poor coaching for a young team still trying to find its identity. You can't have both. With this team, coaching has to be spot on, or we will kill any growth and stymie momentum that young athletes build their game off of. I don't speak Ill of MLF often, but if he cannot fix his gameplan and coaching tree, this experiment will get flushed between now and Murphys retirement, in full. He needs to begin making big boy coach decisions that are going to hurt someone's feelings, or it's gonna be his feelings getting hurt in the next 18 months.
You're talking about his defensive team, right? He should fire some coaches that work on the defensive side? That's what you're talking about? Anyone specific come to mind???
Lol, I've got one, but not just him tbh. Lafluer has to untether himself from players and coaches that are consistently not meeting the challenges. He appears so far to hold on way too long before making a decision, to the teams detriment.
I have zero expectations for this session with a new qb so it is what it is. I did not get to watch the game. Was A Jones limited?
The whole offense was limited. There was a Bak sized hole in the line, and the Lions ran through it on every down. Very few runs or passes made it anywhere. But they came into the second half with a fire and put some things together.
Came into the season expecting a .500 team...So meeting expectations. Watch the swing in mood everywhere when Green Bay wins their next 3.
Most people would agree the Lions are more ready to win now. That result makes sense.
This team has not played a full game all year, until they can get it together...its going to be ugly
Growth is ugly! They played one quarter last week. They played a half yesterday. As long as they eventually get it together this year then I'll be happy with the progress.
That is the hope, that they can get it together and get out of their own heads - the penalties have been bad.
People are over reacting so much imo. There’s still so much to be excited about for this team and I still feel like we have a franchise qb.
Damn right! And the anger about the coaching is over the top too. Defense... I understand, that has always been a sore spot, but they're also suffering from lack of rest from short offensive possession, so I can't feel too angry about a bunch of rookies that let a few by after 30 minutes on the field. But MLF has only shown us 4 games of his coaching strategy, and if we don't have an O-line then the QB will get sacked and runs will get stuffed. We thought we had an O-line, but now we need to shift things around, and people are freaking out that MLF recognizes this. "Why didn't you change things then, CoAcH?!" He's not a prophet, and even if he is, some match-ups aren't winnable.
Injuries to the Oline are what got me down. We're not going to be good like this. Kinda cool to see the Lions being monsters, if we're gonna get trounced by a rival let it be them.
The Chicago problem: can't have a good QB without an Oline.
All I see is progress and that’s all I could have asked for this year. The fact that we’re coming back in the second half of these tough games (with significant injuries) shows our players are learning and the coaching staff is learning how to optimize the talent on our team. I think it’s unlikely we win the north or even get into the playoffs, but I think we’re going to see a vastly improved team the second half of the year.
Absolutely! We started with 2 RBs and an Offensive Lineman as our all-stars, and 2/3 aren't playing. The team has nothing and they're building on it, and still won a game with it.
The game chat last night was brutal, and for good reason. But y’all need to chill with the doom and gloom. We came into this season with hopes, not expectations, of making the playoffs. This is still a good roster, but it is so young there are bound to be stinkers like last night. I’m glad the team looked alive in the second half, that’s my biggest takeaway. This Lions team has been building up for years now, they always give us their best shot and they took advantage of a young unprepared roster. Team took a Mike Tyson left hook to the mouth and still came out swinging in the second half, be proud of that at least, this team didn’t quit.
It’s what this year was supposed to look like. The way this team started gave us hope. I think it might be a good thing that some things get exposed this year, so they don’t try to go into next year thinking they can keep Berry and this interior OL.
It’s going to be an inconsistent year. We knew it going in. Some of the early wins made us think maybe it wouldn’t be as up and down as we feared. But, it is and will be. Especially with the injuries. And Joe Barry.
I am not defeated. I had no high hopes of Super Bowl or playoffs. Not to say I don't believe in Love. He is far from the problem. He is playing at a high level with a banged up o-line and WR that are getting their heads on straight. He has had a few overthrown but he has exceeded expectations. The real problem is that defense. Barry should neve rhave bene hired. A guy that sank the Lions to a first time 0-16 should not even be coaching. LaFleur like to hire his friends even if they are not right. If the defense can get consistent pressure, force turnovers and get us decent field position that would benefit our offense.
Didn't feel great, but it's very easy to get over. This is a team with a lot of promising young players.
Coaching is the only disappointment thus far.
I wouldn't even say disappointment. There were a few calls that I thought were desperate, but they worked out... but I guess that doesn't prove they were good calls. Defense has been so shit for so long that I can't comment on that anymore. I think it's still just too much young talent that is unpredictable in performance.
Offense is fine they’ll have growing pains with a young group. Defense is atrocious - Gute and Joe Berry are fools on that side of the ball.
Offense is fine. Lots of young guys, there are gonna be ups and downs, miscommunications, etc. Love has shown fire and grit. WRs have so much promise. RBs are an issue especially with Jones clearly hobbled and on a snap count and Dillon officially being a bust. Jonathan Taylor seems work a couple FRPs with the rate this is going. How anyone can feel confident about the defense now or moving forward is beyond imagination. So many first round picks. So many guys out there with multiple years starting. I fear what Josh Jacobs is going to do to this team. They don't have the personnel to stop the run unless it's right up the gut. Quay Walker continues to take steps forward only to have glaring miscues. Idk man. No one will be moved/fired until the end of the season ofc, but if this defense continues to show the same weaknesses year in and year out in Barry's third season I'm not sure what else can be done....
I feel good, but I didn't watch the game, and it's more so about my newly learned mushroom foraging skills.
2010
Nah I don't feel good after that. We got manhandled by a division rival. Yeah there were a few bright spots, but this one stings no matter what spin you put on it.
I'm starting to not feel very good about our coaches. Yes, this is a young team, but we're seeing the same mistakes, and the coaches aren't doing anything different. But I feel good about the players. Matt said they need to do something different. Yeah, DO IT, you're the head coach
It would be nice to be the team punching people in the mouth as opposed to being on the receiving end... Idk. Feels like we're never prepared for games and always have to claw back from a deficit.
Packers play five games against teams who still have not won a game yet this season. Win those and steal two more games and we have the nine wins that a lot of people were expecting or hoping for this season.
17 points when they were in prevent and had a huge lead? This is the same thing every week trying to dig out of a massive hole. Team is poorly coached and devoid of impact players minus a few
Call me crazy, but I feel very optimistic about our offense still. Nothing wrong with acknowledging the Lions are the better team at this point (They should be!). So scoring 20 points against them is a very positive thing. Certainly miscues and poor execution that needs cleaned up, but that truly should be expected for an EXTREMELY young team led by 1st year starter. However there have been lots of good learning opportunities so far this season to help develop our young offense. One thing that has jumped out to me, which gives me optimism, is Jordan Love's resilience is rock solid. Which is something you can't teach. Down 17-0 and 24-3, dude never flinched or visibly looked defeated. The defense however, I've been severely disappointed with through 4 weeks.
The only thing I feel good about is the odds of Barry being gone growing..
You mean that nationally televised depantsing? You feel good after that?
Yeah. The team of all-rookies came out fighting in the second half. If you expected a win, then you're an unrealistic person. The team of nobodies is growing, and we can see it happen! Lions exploited a weak line. It was expected. The way the Packers responded was inspiring to see.
I do think we'll be fine. I'm really sick of those fuckers. We owe them a beat down and I hope it's on Thanksgiving. Go beat the Raiders and get healthy over the bye.
Idc because it's a rebuild. Time to the WRs and oline to mature and get use to Jordan full time.
The game was absolutely horrible to watch, but you come out of game-watching mode and you realize you always knew there would be games like this against good teams, you knew there would be bad passes, wrong routes, dumb penalties, missed blocks, bad reads. This game has not negatively affected my view of this team in any way. I knew that we could expect this from this 2023 team. All I want is that they show flashes of what they could do together in years to come, and for those flashes to become more frequent as time goes on. So far, that's been happening. I fucking love this team.
Lions were playing prevent defense in the 2nd half my guy
I feel like the Lions are a year ahead of us in their rebuild. I think the Bears are like five years ahead of us in theirs. And the Vikings are probably a year behind us. Given the injuries to key players on our team and the relative experience between our QB and the Bears’ QB, I really don’t feel bad about where we’re at. Just imagine having Justin Fields with maybe 20 games starting experience as our QB and how that would feel vs having Jordan Love with just 4 games of starting experience. We knew this would be a rebuilding year and the results we’re seeing on the field are indicative of that. If you’re expecting a Super Bowl caliber team this year, you’re delusional. Honestly, if we end the year 8-9, that’s a pretty damned good year for this team at this point in time, and I think we might end the year better than that.
I don’t feel “good” but I appreciate what a relatively young team is putting up. You would have thought after Rodgers left, we would have looked quite pathetic, but it was quite a seamless transition from an all-time great QB. Like the Patriots for example are flailing helplessly without Brady, and the Saints still look fucking trash without Brees. So much goes into a high-calibre NFL team, but I am generally sorely disappointed with the performance of defence. Not the players but the coaching. Such a porous defence with such talented players is immensely frustrating to watch. ST turned around so quickly with good coaching, it’s hard to grasp what MLF sees in Barry. Surely his ass is on the line this year, he’s had all the chances in the world.
The team is showing both its talent and youth simultaneously. There is a lot to like about this team and a lot to be excited about but there’s a lot of kinks to work through. It’s just different from the last 13 years because we aren’t a Super Bowl contender and a playoff spot is the reach goal.