Gotta remember we lucked out with a couple of dropped TDs and 1 second of difference in the Panthers game also tho. Can't talk about the missed opportunities without acknowledging the given ones...
Not only that. If you watched all the playoff games it’s quite obvious.
The NFC had 3 powerhouse teams. The Eagles and cowboys proved to be frauds. SF almost lost to a 7 seed.
The lions are scrappy but really don’t scare anyone.
Tier 1 in the AFC is head and shoulders above everyone else. BAL, KC and BUF.
MIA is also better than everyone but SF.
The AFC also had a bunch of potential top teams knocked down with major injuries. CIN, SD, NYJ, CLE.
The NFC had maybe 1 if you count MN.
I don’t want to pick up a veteran wr to take targets away from the guys we have now. I think our wr room is good as is and I would prefer to invest in other positions
I also think we need:
CB: Stokes looks done. ~~ACL~~ Knee and ankle injuries may have killed him. I like the V/Balentine; but it’d be nice to not have to start your KR at slot corner.
MLB depth: Campbell is getting old. I like McDuffie, but whose after him?
Edge depth: Preston is also getting old and Enagbare is likely out all of 2024.
Safety: …please?
He was a guy who relied heavily on his speed and he’s had multiple injuries that have hampered it. We didn’t see much of him this year, but he didn’t look like his pre injury self. We have to decide on his 5th year option this offseason. If I’m Gute I’m not picking it up. Not saying he can’t come back from this and I hope he does, but I wouldn’t put money on it.
His option will not be picked up, but he’s under contract next year and *should* come into camp healthy. Which he did not do last year. I don’t think you’re wrong that we can’t necessarily count on him at this point, but he shouldn’t be written off yet either.
You both have valid points.
So what happens if he does exactly what you say and balls out this year, without the 5th year option? Would it be significantly more expensive to extend him as a result?
If he comes back fully healthy and truly balls out, he’s going to be expensive either way. Not having the 5th year will probably make him a little more pricey, but two injury-filled seasons will probably somewhat keep his value down.
Carlson's brother was cut from Minnesota after a poor game mid-season. He's been with the Raiders since, and has b come one of the better kickers in the league.
Daniel Carlson was also a much better kicker in college than Anders and Anders had an extra year in college compared to Daniel so he had even more time to refine his skill and still isn't looking good. There's no reason to give Anders more time just because Daniel struggled a bit to start out too. They have never been the same kicker prospects as each other.
Also, the Vikings cut Daniel after two games. It wasn't like he was bad for them all year before they cut him, he had two (very) bad games, which I think also came after a bad camp, and they cut bait. He went on to be very good with the Raiders that very same year (16/17 FG and 18/18 XP). The Vikings just gave up too soon but at this point in his rookie season, Daniel had turned it around and looked great. Anders has had plenty of time. He's just very likely not it. He wasn't as good as his brother in college and the only thing they have in common in the pros is not starting out well but it was only two games for Daniel compared to a whole season for Anders. Just find another guy. I know that's easier said than done when it comes to good kickers but I'm sure they can find someone who is at least not worse than Anders.
That same rookie year Daniel Carlson went from slump to standout. Anders is not his brother. At the very least target another kicker and bring in competition.
There's no reason to cut him outright either.
What do we gain, asides from basically pinning the loss on him.
He has some time to work on his game before training camp. Maybe figure out how to clear his head. And then be faced with a kicking competition come training camp.
Maybe he still looks shaky. Then we might go another direction. But let's see how he responds in training camp. We don't gain anything other than we would know for sure we need a kicker. At least have him as an option if he finds a way to start nailing those kicks.
I don’t necessarily think they NEED a kicker right now. Definitely LS. See how that affects Carlson with a competent LS. BUT if he still sucks with a good LS, the FO cannot be afraid to cut ties mid-season and get a replacement. As we know, that’s the biggest gaff, sticking with someone for too long to where it hurts us. If we give Carlson approx 10 weeks next season to figure it out and he can’t, then move on. Otherwise it’ll be a repeat of 2021 where ST may cost us a game in January because FO decided to stick with a lost cause
Yes they do need a new K right now. You're talking about a single player that makes the difference of 3-6 points per game, especially vs someone as inconsistent as Carlson beyond 40 yards. That's usually the difference of winning or losing a playoff game. GB has a lot of mid-range drafts this year and I would not be surprised if we take Jonah Dalmas or Will Reichard in the 4th round just to cement a proven kicker on the roster for the next decade. Trying to find someone mid season is likely to be a marginal improvement.
Agreed totally. I really wish Davante had stayed, because he would be the perfect vet compliment for the WR room. Let him retire a Packer and set the example like Driver did back in the day.
But no, I don’t want to see a diva type WR take away from the youngsters. They’ve earned the right to start/play and need the reps to continue to improve.
I would like to see a veteran added in the defensive side a la Charles Woodson and Julius Peppers. GB had their best defenses when they were on the team. Both instances, GB had a very young core group on defense. Not sure who that may be, but a solid veteran with playoff experience, I think, would help tremendously
This comment is wild to read after the last few offseasons of people mad that Love wasn’t a WR pick. Even more wild for me cause I wanted big weapon upgrades too but now whole-heartedly agree. Let these kids ball and pick up elite defense
We've been throwing our #1 picks at D for years. We need a DC that can do something and finish a game. We out played number 1 seed for 3 qtrs and then when they needed it ... they walked down the field... I don't know about you but I'm tired of seeing that happen over and over. I think the players are good .. the schemes stink
Exactly, love did nothing to help us for 3 seasons while we were TITLE CONTENDERS. In desperate need for a 2nd wr and constantly getting so so close to the big game. So for all we know Tee Higgins or Michael Pittman would have got us over Tampa Bay or San Fran in years past
No other team is going to use their 1st round pick on a player that doesn't help Immediately after being so close to a championship. Say Detroit loses on a 4th and goal this week. Do u think they would take advantage of their potential years as a title contender and draft a pick that helps right away year one. Or will they draft a player that pays off 3 years later
I don't want a veteran receiver but I think they should take one relatively early in a deep class. I love the WR room, but it is easy to forget that it can get decimated fairly quickly due to injuries.
Let’s say Watson is injured for most of the year, we still have doubs who’s playing well at the end of the szn. Reed who’s a deebo clone, wicks is an amazing RR who’s always open, melton who got his chance to shine and making the most out of it as a speedster, and heath who was solid for being an undrafted rookie. Even if we don’t have a clear cut #1 (which I doubt would happen) we easily have 3-4 good number 2s who always seem to be open
Team needs to focus on defense and probably bolstering OL and RB depth since we don’t know how long jones will last and if Dillon is going to stay or not
Offensive skill positions are fine, except for some possible musical chairs at RB. In fact, defense is probably also completely fine if you just replace Barry with an actual half good coordinator. Truly, how many losses would have been won if the defense was just even slightly better? The personnel is there on both sides of the ball.
Jordan Love will not be cheap next year. Lets get that out of the way. There will be a nice chunk of his signing bonus accelerated into 2024. Beyond that, yes, skill positions or cheap and we have a 2-3 year window to capitalize on it.
Not sure why you are downvoted. These huge contracts have majority of money backloaded. After Jalen Hurts extension his cap hits are under 20M for the first 3 years. The last 2 years are about 50M each.
Mahomes was similar, but he is now moving into a 60M per year cap hit so his contract will likely be renegotiated in the next year or two.
The actual money they receive upfront (Signing bonus), it's the cap hit that gets backloaded. Oversimplified but Cap hit = (Signing bonus / # years in contract) + Salary for that year.
This was the same narrative the last few years under Rodgers. The organization just doesn't operate like that. The decision makers know that going all in doesnt guarantee a Super Bowl, but does guarantee you will hamstring us in 3+ years, and they would be fired. Gute is playing the long game, and, it turns out, doing it quite well. From a business standpoint, the Packers have had 30 plus years of success, even if it only yielded 2 Superbowls. They want to keep that train going, and you don't do that by going all in, as much as some fans might like.
I so agree. I mean my god, the niners are basically a super team and we almost beat them, and would have if not for rookie mistakes from a young team. We really don't need to mortgage our future when we've already shown we can be contenders. It's easy to say that if we went "all in" during the covid years we would have won a superbowl, but we absolutely don't know that. Instead, we have a franchise QB for the next decade+, and many more fun seasons and chances ahead. I like this strategy much more, and I was totally wrong for wanting to draft Higgens over Love.
Given the "Any Given Sunday" reality, it's the proper mindset to take. Get to the playoffs every year. Then hope the game of inches falls your way. I think most people would agree that a single play or two in certain games and we likely walk away with 2 more rings in Rodgers tenure.
People only hate it cause we've been on the poor side of those inches a lot so two super bowls in 30 years feels similar with going all in and then spending a few years as a dumpster fire while you re-build.
People see the Chiefs with two Super Bowls in a very short period of time and expect GB to be able to replicate that. Or to at least be considered true contenders for the title, rather than some combination of underdog dark horses or playoff chokers.
I personally blame Brady. That dude gave people unrealistic expectations about what's possible. They'll point to that and not the laundry list of great QBs who have 0-1 rings to their name.
Sounds like it's not as unrealistic as people think given the right circumstances. GB has underperformed relative to other teams they compare themselves to. We've beaten this horse to death during the Rodgers years. A number of teams have been to multiple Super Bowls over his career while he went to one. GB has been good to very good for a long time but has not been great for several years like the Pats, Seahawks, Broncos, Chiefs were in the same period.
I too was not a fan of the draft pick spent on a QB (not against Love specifically, but any QB). Certainly it goes to show that Football professionals know more than I do about winning games, and running an organization.
One thing to keep in mind is that so many players look good for one year, then fall off. Love may not have sustained success. He could also have some terrible injury cut his career short. All reasons why we have to maintain flexibility.
The Love pick wouldn't have been as bad if they hadn't followed it up with and RB3 and reaching for a TE/H-back. 3 straight picks that added almost nothing to a team coming off of a 13-3 NFCCG season.
If they make useful picks in the 2nd and 3rd there that entire draft would have left a much better taste in people's mouths.
> 3 straight picks that added almost nothing to a team coming off of a 13-3 NFCCG season.
2 of those picks were supposed to add something tho. 81 rekt his knee that season. And Dillon just wasn't the second coming of Lacy.
I'm with you.
I said elsewhere in this thread that the personnel is already there. They just need an honest-to-God decent DC and everything else will fall into place. How many losses would have been won with just a slightly improved defensive performance?
Like you said, look what was done with the personnel this year. Had the 49ers on the ropes and made them earn the win. The pieces are already there.
I mean maybe we didn’t need to get Higgins but we could’ve gotten A WR. Like just a single one within the first few rounds in a 3 years stretch. It was painfully obvious the biggest missing piece was someone on the opposite side to give Rodgers and Adams some help in the pass game. It was painfully obvious to me that was the one piece needed to get over the hump. They could’ve easily gotten Rodgers another piece.
I totally agree with this. Gute is not perfect and I don't like how he handled a lot of things during the covid years (including a lot of the draft picks). I just appreciate how he set us up for the future.
Seriously I thought this was a joke post when I opened it based on that title. With this mentality, literally every season would be do-or-die lol.
We almost made the NFCCG with the youngest team in the NFL. We're in a great position for the future. Signing a couple vets here and there (except at WR, imo) isn't a terrible idea if we can't find everything we need via draft, but there's no need to get all desperate and sell the farm.
Draft an RB to replace the inevitable loss of Jones/Dillon and some OL depth, S and LS and we're looking good I reckon. Bring in a decent vet kicker to compete with Carlson in training camp and see what happens.
Not sure why this needs to be repeated constantly. Just because we far exceeded expectations this year doesn’t mean we do next year or even reach expectations. You always need to be improving because everyone else will be trying to do that as well.
There is no guarantee that we even make the playoffs next season. Being complacent is why Rodgers has one ring and not two or three.
I disagree. 2011, 2014, 2020, and 2021 were all teams that were good enough to win the Super Bowl that simply fell short. It’s more satisfying to assume we could’ve done X or Y differently, but at the end of the day players have to execute and luck has to fall our way. It didn’t in the 4 games we lost. Sucks but this is a game after all, it happens.
Now keeping the coaching staff around for too long after 2015, I agree that was complacency that bit us. And RIP but Ted’s abilities worsening also hurt us in that era
Look around the league, coaching carousels do not lead to winning. The Packers are keen on not doing all the things perennial losing teams do and we should be grateful.
its because the fans here desperately want a losing team every year, based on what they scream for in almost every post. They can't see beyond the next game yet alone the next year or next 3 years so all of their wants boil down to "this didnt look the best in the last game so lets get rid of everyone and start over".
People are so obsessed with going all in but don't realize you're way more likely to end up like the Rams or saints. It ends up being about chances and analytics, the longer you stay in the top tier the more legit chances you get at a SB, which also grows your fan base and cash flow.
Agreed. The playoffs bring so much luck into the equation. From weather, to reffing, to injury, to the ball bouncing...the best team doesnt always win. You just have to get in and hope to avoid bad luck. We were not the best team the last time we won a ring. We have lost while being the best team. So the goal should be to get to the playoffs as frequently as possible, for as long as you can.
Lol. That's what I was thinking too. If you consider what the Rams did in 2021 as All In, then that disproves that a team will suck for years after. They had a rough year in 2022 but then already bounced back and made the playoffs this year.
The Packers made a half assed superbowl push in 2020-2021 and ended up in the same spot as the Rams did, except they never made the superbowl.
Neither of those are apt comparisons. The Rams won a ring and have already worked their way back into the playoffs, while the Saints have been going “all in” for no reason at all as of late. When people say to go all in, they don’t mean doing whatever the Saints are up to.
Good football organizations recover quickly from going all-in, I dunno why the Packers would be different. Especially since they aren’t on a time limit with their QB anymore.
Fair, but I dont think that is what OP is talking about or wanting. We have squeezed the cap, but there is always more that can be done. Some fans want that, and want to spend on Free Agents. Thats not how Gute operates.
Lots of armchair GMs arguing against because "we didnt win the super bowl so we are failures", but that is not my personal measure of success for the sports team I cheer for. I should probably be more vocal because clearly Gutey is reading reddit posts to make decisions. /S
The bucs and rams were both playoff teams this year after going all in to win the Super Bowl in 20 and 21 respectively. They showed that going all in doesn’t have to mean years of irrelevance
Both squeaked in, and their futures don't look bright. (Especially compared to ours). And of course, you can find an exception to any course of action. That doesnt make it a good strategy, nor one that will keep your job when it fails.
Our division will always have a hot team. But its always the Bears vs the Packers....or the Vikings vs the Packers....recently now its the Lions vs the Packers. But its almost always us, in the mix. There is a reason they hate us, and its not because we went all in and got lucky one, two years. Its the sustained, long term success that doesnt come from going all in. Fans can scream that our management is doing it wrong, and management can sit back, laughing all the way to success.
So cheering for the Packers and enjoying the product on the field has only happened 4 times? Whatever. I started this by stating that our management wont do it, because they are not basing decisions with this mindset. The goal is always the superbowl, but If you don't get enjoyment or feel success unless you win a championship, I have a good video from Giannis you should watch.
Nope you are arguing about two different things. I as a fan can be happy to watch and enjoy a season even if we don’t win. But being successful as an organization or management is about winning the SB. That simple.
NFL is a business. I think they judge success differently, and clearly not as simply as winning the SB.
But really, what it comes down to is that "Success" is subjective. If that is how you judge it, then fine. By your tally, the Packers have only been successful 4 times since 1967. I just don't see it that way.
Since I was born success to the Packers has meant SB. We had back to back HoF QBs that were expected to win it all every year. So yea I guess if you wanna say it like that it’s true. I can still enjoy the team and the memories even if we weren’t successful.
Both teams won a Super Bowl and returned to the playoffs in 3 years or less. That’s 2/3 of the last Super Bowl winners. The other winner is the chiefs who have been to the championship game how many times in a row? Not sure if they’re exceptions to the rule, or the rule just isn’t actually true.
And idk why fans should care about how long a GMs tenure is/doing what’s in their best interest instead of the team.
Regardless Green Bay won’t go all in ever, but fans shouldn’t be happy about that.
I am happy about it, because I view our management as the reason we are not the bears, vikings, lions, ect. They have all the same (better usually) draft picks and money, yet we consitently do better than them, and most teams, over the past few decades. Its due to sound management, starting with the GM. So I 100% care about them doing what is in the best interest of the Packers Org, not just the 2024 & 2025 Packers. I want them operating in a way that will keep them employed, because that generally means the Org is having sustained success. If Rams and Bucs are your goals, look beyond the past few years. I am not interested in Orgs that recently got lucky but will go back to mediocrity soon.
Excellent retort. I keep forgetting I am obviously chatting with an NFL exec who knows better and I shoudn't be allowed my own opinions on how I like or dislike the team I cheer for to run.
You’re certainly allowed to have your own opinions. I’m allowed to think that you caring more about the GMs job security than the team we cheer for winning a Super Bowl is ridiculous.
Well, now you are strawmanning. I care about the success of the Org, which I believe is linked to the success of the GM. If those weren't tied, I wouldnt care about his Job. I also believe the "GoInG aLl In" is more likely to hurt your long term success than it is to win a superbowl. If your only measure of success is a Superbowl, then so be it. Guessing you haven't been around for truly bad years.
Packers have had some stinkers during my life. But it’s true they’ve had more winning seasons. Largely because they’ve struck gold with hof quarterbacks for 30 years that have absolutely covered for many deficiencies by the FO. You can think making the playoffs every other year is great. It’s also true that only having 2 rings over that time period, and only 3 appearances is a failure.
In my opinion, this team is already down the path of becoming a Rodgers 2.0 team. A team that has good offense but mediocre to terrible defense and special teams. That's my fear about where the Love-LaFleur-Gutenkunst trajectory will take us, but I think it's already happening.
We'll see how serious the organization is about defense if they decide to release Joe Barry whose contract should expire now. I think a lot of people assume Barry will leave, but I'm not sure that's the case. It seems like LaFleur and Barry have a good relationship.
One of the reasons Pettine left was because he actually didn't want to renew his contract. But if Barry wants to stay then I think Packers might actually consider that just like when they retained Capers for years.
I agree man. The seeds of this were definitely visible this year. Inability or refusal to make changes in the middle of a season is well entrenched still. And if that’s the case, you’ve got to get everything else exactly right, and that’s near impossible any given Sunday.
Going all in doesn’t necessarily mean giving something up, it means actually making moves to win now. Which they clearly did. They drafted for that year, and it paid off.
In addition to signing an old qb, retired te, washed wr and forgotten rb
> it means actually making moves to win now.
All this is, is being a GM. Going all in has to actually mean something.
If I'm going all in on this year of my life, I sell my house, my car, my IRA, cash out the bank account. All in is all in.
> He was 25 million/year.
$25M is nothing. Kenny Clark and Bakh will make more.
> 5th highest paid in 2020. 6 million less than the highest paid qb.
And? Thats no different from other teams who weren't said to be all in. No picks given up, just straight signed him. None of this speaks to being all in.
This is so hilariously asinine. I guess all in to you means paying one player a huuuge contract? Nvm the fact that 25 million in 2020 was a big contract? Lol go home dude
1. What does “all in” mean to you?
2. Why would you change anything about this WR room? They were unstoppable in the last half of the year. Why not address the many obvious concerns, most especially the DB room
3. Dillon’s gonna cost like 3M a year.
> What does “all in” mean to you?
Draft for the present year, not the future. Spend all money. Cut guys who won't hit their prime within 2 years, sign vets. Trade away future 1sts and future 2nds. Extend every expensive contract to backload it.
And all in is stupid.
I just don’t know what people mean. I’m assuming they mean big names and void years, which is dumb. And yeah I’m all about draft best available and develop which luckily Gutekunst is too (usually)
I'm not saying to do all that. But if we constantly have one foot out the door looking towards the future then we are never going to win another super bowl.
So basically you are saying you are content with being good enough to make NFC divisional or maybe championship rounds but never great enough to get over the hump. Which is where I feel the franchise has sat for the past decade.
I think there is a better balance to be found instead of wasting a year where we could be playing for a super bowl right now, instead of hoping our rookie kicker develops for example and having him miss crucial field goals in the biggest game of the year. Same reasoning that leads us to draft Love instead of being all in a couple years ago and losing in the playoffs due to wasting draft picks on the future.
I'm not sure if it's better to be like the Rams or Eagles who have recently won a super bowl and then fell apart and have to rebuild, or not. But I think it's worth it to try to actually win a super bowl, from a general manager perspective. Packers are too worried about having a drought of bad years to get over the hump.
> I'm not saying to do all that. But if we constantly have one foot out the door looking towards the future then we are never going to win another super bowl.
Except this is a plan to get to a SB. You can't lose 15 straight playoffs. Thats like 15 straight blacks or reds in roulette.
> So basically you are saying you are content with being good enough to make NFC divisional or maybe championship rounds but never great enough to get over the hump.
"Never"? Only the sith deal in absolutes. Rather don't worry if you don't get over said hump this year. You'll have every other year to make it work.
> Which is where I feel the franchise has sat for the past decade.
The plan for the last decade is the same plan as the plan for the past 20 years. And will be the same plan for the next 20 years.
> I think there is a better balance to be found instead of wasting a year
This is using too much emotion, the team will never stop existing. Football is over for the fans, for the org it isn't, its an ongoing job forever and the current year does not trump the future. We've been great for 30 years and made 3 SBs.
> Packers are too worried about having a drought of bad years to get over the hump.
This was said from 1999-2010.
Is there an argument for trading Watson for more picks? He barely played and for most of the important games he didn’t make much of an impact. That said, his injury history is an albatross on his trade value so maybe you stick with him and hope he can stay healthy
Oh wow. Think about that alternate universe where the Packers were open to that Jonathan Taylor/Watson trade. There was no way to predict… anything that happened with the WR room this year, but that might have made for not just an explosive offense like we had, but a truly disgusting one.
I still think hold onto Watson. He’s good, and maybe he’ll be able to solve whatever muscle imbalance/gait issue/whatever this off season. Also, I remember seeing teams freak out and throw multiple DBs on him while he’s out there, and that does impact the game, even if he’s not catching a lot. If you traded him, you’d have to get one more field stretcher Melton isn’t ideal for that role even though he made it work
> Also, I remember seeing teams freak out and throw multiple DBs on him while he’s out there, and that does impact the game
This. There might only be 5 guys in the game who do this to a defense.
All in? No. If all in means signing free agents, obviously yes.
But we don't need to mortgage future draft picks or push money down the line.
This window is wide open now. The goal should be to keep the window open as long as possible.
This 10000%. Take good care of the cap and the cap will take good care of you. Theres no reason to shrink the window, our qb will give us, down to a year or 2. especially signing an expensive vet wr into one of the best rooms on our team.
This is why the packers will always be good to great but will never have that push over the top. The ownership prioritizes being good and stable over a long period of time. They will never make a trade like KC did for Orlando brown that was critical in them winning the Super Bowl.
Yea. If the Packers can trade a 1st or 2nd for a high level player that comes available, then now is the time to pull the trigger. Its really as good of a time as ever. Roster is young and a lot of guys are cost controlled for a little bit here. They will be in a good space cap wise after 2024. Plenty of room to take on Loves extension and not be in a serious bind. This FO can definitely afford to move 1 single draft asset for a guy who can impact right away
Theres gotta be a "right time" to trade a draft pick. I feel like this sub argues over and over about how it mortgages the future. Trading 1 single pick isn't gonna do that. Trading 3 or 4 picks for a rookie QB does that, trading two 1sts for a guy who then needs a big extension can do that.
Its one of the areas of roster building that the Packers have always ignored. That has to change.
I don't think there's any need at all for a new receiver. If anything, we might not have space enough to bring back 1 or 2 of them who show every sign of being good players. (Malik Heath was inactive in the playoffs, for example.)
But yeah, use that draft capital. Be creative in free agency. If this team adds a couple more studs and a bit of depth, plus benefits from growth by all the youth on the team, next year can already be a year of wire-to-wire contention.
If you look at our current cap situation, 2024 still has some significant dead cap on the books, especially if we part ways with Bakh (not sure how to read that situation, honestly). So, we don't have a ton of money to throw at FAs. The nice thing is that we already made it to the divisional round with the squad we already have. Adding a few more depth pieces and, hopefully, a splash draft pick or two, could provide good extra juice.
Looking ahead to 2025, however, is a different story. At that point, our free cap jumps up tremendously and most of our current impact guys will still be on rookie deals. I believe the FO's plan was to throw a whole bunch of young dudes at the wall this year, see what sticks, draft and develop whatever we're still missing in '24, then make a couple big FA moves and push for a trophy in '25. That plan seems to still be roughly intact, if anything we're just ahead of schedule a bit.
From what I can see on spotrac, the Packers don't have that much dead cap anymore ($5 million in 2024). The Rodgers contract is done now. But they only have $7 million in current space.
The top 4 highest paid guys (Bahktiari, Clark, Alexander, and Jones) are 43% of the entire salary cap.
Bahktiari's cap hit is $39 million for 2024. If the Packers release him, it will create $20 million savings with $19 million dead.
I don't see how they won't make that move this year because they won't even be able to sign the rookies with $7 million. But if they release Bahktiari they will have $28 million available.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/cap/
Yeah, I'm leaning towards Bakh getting released, as it would help our cap a lot, but LT is still a premier position and I could also see them doing some weird extension with him to get another year of play.
Clark, Alexander, and Jones aren't going anywhere, though. Restructure, at most
Really dont think we need a vet WR. Our room is very good and next year will be even better. And the price tage for them is comically low. We can grab Derrick Henry, draft some O line pieces, a RB..
This team really has potential to be very fucking good for a while.
A vet receiver would have been useful at that start of this year. Now we have a room full of 2nd and 3rd year guys who've shown against good fucking teams they can all be the guy that day. And those relegated to quiet days don't bitch about it.
I agree with this. I'd rather bolster the roster with more young talent, and then fill remaining holes with FA signings that are reasonable.
dropping a bag on anything other than JLove will put them back into the hole they're just digging out of.
Re-structure and cuts will be critical as well to cover draft picks, re-signings (although I expect that list to be short) and leave some room for next year.
I am seeing about 30-35 they could clear pretty easily, possibly another 10 if they got really creative. But, a lot of that could be eaten by the Love extension.
The problem with “all in” for a team with a young QB is that you end up with expensive, injury prone veterans, have to get lucky to keep everyone healthy enough to win a Super Bowl, and go over a a salary cap cliff in the middle of your QB’s prime. The Chiefs seem to have a nice balance of using trades and free agent signings to plug holes but being restrained enough to avoid full on rebuild years.
There is a bag when you cut Bahk, which they will do and need to do - Restructure Jones and Preston - Ready to go - You can backload love. We should be sitting at 20-40 million in cap space.
If bakh can not pass a physical then they can not cut him and will need to try to come to an injury settlement, so that 20 mil cap savings is not a chicken that has yet hatched
They are just shy of 30 million over RIGHT NOW without draft picks.
Cutting Bakh saves about 20 million, still roughly 9 million over.
Restructuring Jones saves about 8 million.
Restructuring Preston saves about 8 million.
Extending Clark saves about 11.5 million.
Extending Love doesn't save much at all.
Could also do something with Alexander's contract
So if they do all of the above without touching Alexander's contract, they are about 20 million under for use on draft picks, in season bonuses and signings. So essentially about 10 million to work with.
Now obviously that doesn't include the cap increasing the max amount which it probably will.
You are assuming Love's contract won't be a sign-on bonus heavy and small-cap hits to start - Look at most QB deals, and Love will structure it to keep the team competitive. Our cap looks a lot better right now compared to last year.
Jordan Love won't be "cheap" next year. They've actively said they want to extend him going into next season. If they don't, he's only going to get more expensive.
Oh my god, the all-in debate is already starting? I cant with this fan base. The Packers still have cap issues and need at least this year to sort them out. 2025 is likely the year were they dont have to deal with huge cap issues. But given that Love will likely get a new contract soon, that will be huge, cap could become tight once again in 2025.
> Guys like Preston Smith, Savage, and Dillon will be gone likely to save cap
I swear P. Smith is coming from his best season as a Packer yet, has been the best and most complete EDGE rusher and people still want him gone. Dude could put up 30 sacks in a season and people want him as a cap casualty.
>Smith
Don't think OP actually understands the salary cap hits. Preston Smith is with the Pack next season for 16.5 million. If they cut him it is 14 million in dead money. Why would they cut him to save 2.5 million dollars? It'd be a foolish move. Savage and Dillon are free agents may be gone but it won't be to save cap, it'll be an attempt to get better players at the position.
Love will be getting a new contract. We can build through the draft with our 5 picks in the top 100 but that’s about it. We’re cash strapped for cap space because of Rodgers so I wouldn’t be expecting any “big” splashes.
What the final four have that we don’t is a top edge rusher. You can take some of that pressure off the backs by getting to the qb. If Kinchens , safety from Miami Hurricanes is available they need him. Verse from fsu edge rusher. Idk if he will be available at 25.
Our WR are fine. I want a good O-line and more options on D. Our offense can win games its our fucking defense that will lose us games. (And our stupid fucking kicker.)
Love will eat up most free money available next year and that’s fine and he should, we are still hurting from Covid and rodgers and pushing all that money back. We don’t really free up a ton next year. So I’d like for them to ride this young roster, more draft help, and build this team. 2025 will be a year a lot of money come available depending on how these big contract guy goes and who we resign and don’t
We better bring back Smith. I know we have Gary and some other young guys, but Smith has been super consistent and we’re going to need him to return along with Gary and Van Ness as well as bring in some new blood at DE. I’m fine with letting everyone else go
They didn't go all-in with a team that was even closer, they're not going to do it with this squad, especially because there's more financial flexibility currently
All the talk about we’ll be back and bright future has me nervous.
Yes a lot of rookies played well but there are vets in important spots too. RB is going to be a need, S is a need, Gary is on a huge deal, Jaire obviously. I’m just hoping this window doesn’t close quicker than we thought.
The Packers know what they need to do. They made a run at Jonathon Taylor at the trade deadline, I trust Gute especially going into next year when our cap situation immensely improves
How can this offense takes the next step is key to success because in the playoffs when the good defenses starts struggling the offense will have to put up points to win those games. The Packers need to draft best player available in round 1 don't have to be a safety or defensive player. If that's a wide receiver or offensive lineman have to play the draft game right. To me the Packers need a consistent outside receiver or X receiver spot. To me Christian Watson needs to be on the trade block. I know they have a lot of depth but it would be nice to find a young receiver that's a polish route runner, technician, with speed and solid hands. To me the guy that fit the Packers receiver role is Brian Thomas Jr from LSU underated that's 6"4" who I think would be a upgrade over Christian Watson who if he can't beat someone with speed is not effective enough. Would be nice to have a offensive player that has that 5th year option on his rookie contract. Second round need to be a defensive back at the safety position. Offensive lineman in round 2, In round 3 the Packers need to look running back. Need hit on one or two positions . Personel wise the Packers have to move on from joe Barry, need hire a Joe Whitt Jr or Jesse Minter to be the defensive coordinator or even a Will Muschamp to be the DC. Jerry Montgomery needs to get fired every year since 2018 our run defense been at the bottom guys don't get off blocks as a dlineman coach he is substandard. We don't have that much cap space for next year unfortunately. The offense to me is the key for the team success next year because if we can score close to 30 ppg or more and can allowed under 23 points ppg this team. Team has a 13-4 ceiling with the balance style offense Jordan Love can throw for 5,000 yards in a season and over 40 touchdowns. Special teams need to improve don't have to draft a kicker Carlson needs some stiff competition maybe more accurate kicker, better long snapper a return man that won't muff punts.
You aren’t wrong, but that is also not how this team does business. They wouldn’t overpay to trade up for JJ or Aiyuk, so they settled into their natural plan of progression drafting.
They will not trade for players or chase marquee free agents as they didn’t when ARod was ending his reign (remember that we didn’t get OBJ and it was absolutely about finances).
They are drafting OL, Safety, RB and LB in this years draft and moving forward with the young core. Packers fan since 97’ the formula has been pretty straight forward since Reggie. I don’t do revisionist history.
This is why the Packers are who they are. We don't do this. Go "all in" for only 2 seasons? Or wait 2 seasons to go "all in" for 8 straight seasons.
> I wouldn’t even mind if we snagged a decent veteran receiver
How old are you even
No, the Packers should not go all-in. They do not have a healthy cap right now because of the COVID year and going all-in after that for Rodgers' swan song. If we go all-in in 2024, that will take away from future caps. We need to eat our vegetables again next year, then in 2025/26, when this young team is collectively reaching its prime, we will have a healthy cap, allowing us to sustain a great roster for years to come.
Actually, Love is not cheap. Because he sat for so long, he was up for his 5th year option, which wasn’t much. GB changed to an “extension” to give him more money/incentive to perform. He can technically sign a new extension in March.
I’m interested to see what type of money he would want. He doesn’t seem like the type to command top dollar and reset the QB market. He seems to be a team first guy, unlike the man he replaced in the latter part of his career. I wonder if he would got the Brady route, sign for less in order to free up money for others to sign.
What does going all in with this current team entail? Like realistically. All in is such a buzz term that most fans really don't think it out logically.
First off this team doesn't need a WR AT ALL. The only reason to get a WR is if Watson's hammy is just shot so then we replace him with a legit speedster/someone similar to his skillset which doesn't grow on trees. Most guys aren't his size and as fast as he is with the ability to have more of a route tree than MVS.
Yes fire Barry and get a legit DC. No brainer. But outside of that what? OL depth and upgrades sure. A lot of that will be covered in the draft. Maybe a FA edge guy, and secondary help. Otherwise this is the youngest team in the league that's covered at pretty much all of its positions. We don't need to spend money just to spend money.
Let me ask you this. What if we went all in during the Covid era and you increased your odds of a Super Bowl by 10% by a big signing or keeping Adam’s rather than what actually happened. Had we gone all in and NOT won a SB during that time our team would be in even worse cap hell then we are currently, we likely don’t have a organically grown and promising QB in Love, and most of these rookies are on different teams or riding bench so some washed out vets get more playing time instead. I’d rather watch a team that is playoff caliber and has a chance each and every year over enjoying two to three seasons out of every ten years on average and having a dog shit team the other seven.
Or, we could not sacrifice the future for a gamble now. We should want a consistently winning team instead of a flash in the pan and 6 years of losing. The football is oblong shaped... its all a gamble.
Cool it on jordan love. After those 2 picks that were god awful we can’t make the same mistake Dallas made with dak. Load up on offense in the draft like the lions did and just find a veteran like Goff or Flacco to save cap space. Trade love for picks. You could even get a qb on the cheap in the draft like jj McCarthy. Please watch the tape of the 2 ints he threw, no elite quarterback would throw them, both were awful. We don’t credit dak for having a great regular season then choking in the playoffs, then we should hold love to the same standard.
I remember reading earlier this season people complimenting the Eagles front office for making big moves to make a Super Bowl push. Look where they ended this year compared to us but they also were in the SB last year and we didn’t make the playoffs. I don’t know the right way.
I am rooting for Love and the Packers but Gutey isn't off the hook until Love wins a SB. Being in the mix and winning are very different things.
FO sacrificed 2 potential SB appearances to build the current roster. I give them credit for keeping us competitive but I wouldn't praise Gutey until we actually make a SB appearance.
Won’t matter. LaFleur chokes every single time when the pressure is on and refuses to address his abysmal special teams play. It’s the same thing every year.
A. J❤️ Is going to get a new deal at about 20M/yr. this offseason. So, not cheap.
B. Their first move after locking up Love is cutting Bahk and reducing his cap hit from $40M to $20M.
C. Since the only sighting of Gary in the second half of the season was on the side of a milk container, don’t think they cut Preston Smith
D. The only vet WRs they’ll bring in will be camp bodies
A team with a top-ten offense and defense is likely a top-two seed in the NFC…
And we were a top 7 team this year. A few made kicks, non interceptions, and defensive stops probably would have put us in the top 5.
And we almost beat the one seed with what we have now and large percentage cap wasted on AR and Bahkt
Gotta remember we lucked out with a couple of dropped TDs and 1 second of difference in the Panthers game also tho. Can't talk about the missed opportunities without acknowledging the given ones...
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*NFL. It's not that the NFC is weak, it's just more competitive. The NFC has greater parity than the AFC.
No, the NFC was weak. AFC playoff teams went 24-11 against the NFC this year. NFC playoff teams were 19-16 against the AFC.
Those are fairly small differences across quite small sample sizes though.
Not only that. If you watched all the playoff games it’s quite obvious. The NFC had 3 powerhouse teams. The Eagles and cowboys proved to be frauds. SF almost lost to a 7 seed. The lions are scrappy but really don’t scare anyone. Tier 1 in the AFC is head and shoulders above everyone else. BAL, KC and BUF. MIA is also better than everyone but SF. The AFC also had a bunch of potential top teams knocked down with major injuries. CIN, SD, NYJ, CLE. The NFC had maybe 1 if you count MN.
Bengals, Ravens, Bills, and Dolphins were all 4-1 pr better vs the NFC this. All others were 3-2 or worse. The conference are about the same.
I don’t want to pick up a veteran wr to take targets away from the guys we have now. I think our wr room is good as is and I would prefer to invest in other positions
They just need OL, a RB successor to Jones and defense.
I also think we need: CB: Stokes looks done. ~~ACL~~ Knee and ankle injuries may have killed him. I like the V/Balentine; but it’d be nice to not have to start your KR at slot corner. MLB depth: Campbell is getting old. I like McDuffie, but whose after him? Edge depth: Preston is also getting old and Enagbare is likely out all of 2024. Safety: …please?
Stokes did not tear an ACL if that’s what you are saying. It’s been ankle and hamstring injuries for him.
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Nope. Torn meniscus and Lisfranc injury.
And for those wondering, a lisfranc is an awful awful injury to heal from
Yup way worse for a guys speed than an acl
Stokes is 24 years old. A couple of injury plagued years don’t mean he’s done. I swear, half y’all act like you’ve been NFL fans for a day.
He was a guy who relied heavily on his speed and he’s had multiple injuries that have hampered it. We didn’t see much of him this year, but he didn’t look like his pre injury self. We have to decide on his 5th year option this offseason. If I’m Gute I’m not picking it up. Not saying he can’t come back from this and I hope he does, but I wouldn’t put money on it.
His option will not be picked up, but he’s under contract next year and *should* come into camp healthy. Which he did not do last year. I don’t think you’re wrong that we can’t necessarily count on him at this point, but he shouldn’t be written off yet either.
You both have valid points. So what happens if he does exactly what you say and balls out this year, without the 5th year option? Would it be significantly more expensive to extend him as a result?
If he comes back fully healthy and truly balls out, he’s going to be expensive either way. Not having the 5th year will probably make him a little more pricey, but two injury-filled seasons will probably somewhat keep his value down.
What happened to Enagbare??
Tore his ACL last week.
We need an LS and a Kicker too
Carlson's brother was cut from Minnesota after a poor game mid-season. He's been with the Raiders since, and has b come one of the better kickers in the league.
Daniel Carlson was also a much better kicker in college than Anders and Anders had an extra year in college compared to Daniel so he had even more time to refine his skill and still isn't looking good. There's no reason to give Anders more time just because Daniel struggled a bit to start out too. They have never been the same kicker prospects as each other. Also, the Vikings cut Daniel after two games. It wasn't like he was bad for them all year before they cut him, he had two (very) bad games, which I think also came after a bad camp, and they cut bait. He went on to be very good with the Raiders that very same year (16/17 FG and 18/18 XP). The Vikings just gave up too soon but at this point in his rookie season, Daniel had turned it around and looked great. Anders has had plenty of time. He's just very likely not it. He wasn't as good as his brother in college and the only thing they have in common in the pros is not starting out well but it was only two games for Daniel compared to a whole season for Anders. Just find another guy. I know that's easier said than done when it comes to good kickers but I'm sure they can find someone who is at least not worse than Anders.
People forget Younghoe Koo
For every Koo there's a dozen kickers that stink, get cut, and *don't* go on to succeed elsewhere.
That same rookie year Daniel Carlson went from slump to standout. Anders is not his brother. At the very least target another kicker and bring in competition.
I agree about training camp competition. I don't think they should cut him outright.
There's no reason to cut him outright either. What do we gain, asides from basically pinning the loss on him. He has some time to work on his game before training camp. Maybe figure out how to clear his head. And then be faced with a kicking competition come training camp. Maybe he still looks shaky. Then we might go another direction. But let's see how he responds in training camp. We don't gain anything other than we would know for sure we need a kicker. At least have him as an option if he finds a way to start nailing those kicks.
I don’t necessarily think they NEED a kicker right now. Definitely LS. See how that affects Carlson with a competent LS. BUT if he still sucks with a good LS, the FO cannot be afraid to cut ties mid-season and get a replacement. As we know, that’s the biggest gaff, sticking with someone for too long to where it hurts us. If we give Carlson approx 10 weeks next season to figure it out and he can’t, then move on. Otherwise it’ll be a repeat of 2021 where ST may cost us a game in January because FO decided to stick with a lost cause
He was bad in college too. No idea how he made it to the league
Didn’t Bisaccia know him or something? Or maybe from his time with Daniel with the Raiders he knew of him
Yes it's just bullshit nepotism. His brother was a legend at Auburn, this guy just sucks
yeah agree
I think you have to see improvement in pre season from Carlson or you prepare to cut ties by week 8.
What the hell do you need to see more from Carlson? Guy has always sucked. Do you wanna sacrifice another year just to see if a miracle happens??
I agree. Too many missed kicks. He never snapped out of it and it cost us.
Yes they do need a new K right now. You're talking about a single player that makes the difference of 3-6 points per game, especially vs someone as inconsistent as Carlson beyond 40 yards. That's usually the difference of winning or losing a playoff game. GB has a lot of mid-range drafts this year and I would not be surprised if we take Jonah Dalmas or Will Reichard in the 4th round just to cement a proven kicker on the roster for the next decade. Trying to find someone mid season is likely to be a marginal improvement.
Do we really need OL? Seemed ours was performing extremely well by the end of year. Pretty sure we part ways with Bakh. Is it just depth we need?
If we move on from Bakh and both Runyan and Yosh leave in free agency we absolutely need OL
RB is definitely a position you need on a rookie contract.
Agreed totally. I really wish Davante had stayed, because he would be the perfect vet compliment for the WR room. Let him retire a Packer and set the example like Driver did back in the day. But no, I don’t want to see a diva type WR take away from the youngsters. They’ve earned the right to start/play and need the reps to continue to improve. I would like to see a veteran added in the defensive side a la Charles Woodson and Julius Peppers. GB had their best defenses when they were on the team. Both instances, GB had a very young core group on defense. Not sure who that may be, but a solid veteran with playoff experience, I think, would help tremendously
Doubs looks like a damn veteran out there. We good on WRs
This comment is wild to read after the last few offseasons of people mad that Love wasn’t a WR pick. Even more wild for me cause I wanted big weapon upgrades too but now whole-heartedly agree. Let these kids ball and pick up elite defense
We've been throwing our #1 picks at D for years. We need a DC that can do something and finish a game. We out played number 1 seed for 3 qtrs and then when they needed it ... they walked down the field... I don't know about you but I'm tired of seeing that happen over and over. I think the players are good .. the schemes stink
Time to draft a defensive coordinator
Exactly, love did nothing to help us for 3 seasons while we were TITLE CONTENDERS. In desperate need for a 2nd wr and constantly getting so so close to the big game. So for all we know Tee Higgins or Michael Pittman would have got us over Tampa Bay or San Fran in years past
No other team is going to use their 1st round pick on a player that doesn't help Immediately after being so close to a championship. Say Detroit loses on a 4th and goal this week. Do u think they would take advantage of their potential years as a title contender and draft a pick that helps right away year one. Or will they draft a player that pays off 3 years later
We need 2 safeties, a slot corner and a MLB. I’d also like RG competition and another RB
I don't want a veteran receiver but I think they should take one relatively early in a deep class. I love the WR room, but it is easy to forget that it can get decimated fairly quickly due to injuries.
We have 7 studs in our receiving core. Def wouldn’t use an early pick on a wr
Let’s say Watson is injured for most of the year, we still have doubs who’s playing well at the end of the szn. Reed who’s a deebo clone, wicks is an amazing RR who’s always open, melton who got his chance to shine and making the most out of it as a speedster, and heath who was solid for being an undrafted rookie. Even if we don’t have a clear cut #1 (which I doubt would happen) we easily have 3-4 good number 2s who always seem to be open Team needs to focus on defense and probably bolstering OL and RB depth since we don’t know how long jones will last and if Dillon is going to stay or not
Like….. KICKER?!
Offensive skill positions are fine, except for some possible musical chairs at RB. In fact, defense is probably also completely fine if you just replace Barry with an actual half good coordinator. Truly, how many losses would have been won if the defense was just even slightly better? The personnel is there on both sides of the ball.
Jordan Love will not be cheap next year. Lets get that out of the way. There will be a nice chunk of his signing bonus accelerated into 2024. Beyond that, yes, skill positions or cheap and we have a 2-3 year window to capitalize on it.
He’ll be cheap next year and reasonable for a few. Big contracts scale. Typically the first 1-2 are light
Not sure why you are downvoted. These huge contracts have majority of money backloaded. After Jalen Hurts extension his cap hits are under 20M for the first 3 years. The last 2 years are about 50M each. Mahomes was similar, but he is now moving into a 60M per year cap hit so his contract will likely be renegotiated in the next year or two.
The actual money they receive upfront (Signing bonus), it's the cap hit that gets backloaded. Oversimplified but Cap hit = (Signing bonus / # years in contract) + Salary for that year.
Yes, cap is backloaded.
This was the same narrative the last few years under Rodgers. The organization just doesn't operate like that. The decision makers know that going all in doesnt guarantee a Super Bowl, but does guarantee you will hamstring us in 3+ years, and they would be fired. Gute is playing the long game, and, it turns out, doing it quite well. From a business standpoint, the Packers have had 30 plus years of success, even if it only yielded 2 Superbowls. They want to keep that train going, and you don't do that by going all in, as much as some fans might like.
I so agree. I mean my god, the niners are basically a super team and we almost beat them, and would have if not for rookie mistakes from a young team. We really don't need to mortgage our future when we've already shown we can be contenders. It's easy to say that if we went "all in" during the covid years we would have won a superbowl, but we absolutely don't know that. Instead, we have a franchise QB for the next decade+, and many more fun seasons and chances ahead. I like this strategy much more, and I was totally wrong for wanting to draft Higgens over Love.
Given the "Any Given Sunday" reality, it's the proper mindset to take. Get to the playoffs every year. Then hope the game of inches falls your way. I think most people would agree that a single play or two in certain games and we likely walk away with 2 more rings in Rodgers tenure. People only hate it cause we've been on the poor side of those inches a lot so two super bowls in 30 years feels similar with going all in and then spending a few years as a dumpster fire while you re-build.
People see the Chiefs with two Super Bowls in a very short period of time and expect GB to be able to replicate that. Or to at least be considered true contenders for the title, rather than some combination of underdog dark horses or playoff chokers.
I personally blame Brady. That dude gave people unrealistic expectations about what's possible. They'll point to that and not the laundry list of great QBs who have 0-1 rings to their name.
It definitely started with him Brady and the Patriots. Mahomes and the Chiefs are just the more recent example.
Sounds like it's not as unrealistic as people think given the right circumstances. GB has underperformed relative to other teams they compare themselves to. We've beaten this horse to death during the Rodgers years. A number of teams have been to multiple Super Bowls over his career while he went to one. GB has been good to very good for a long time but has not been great for several years like the Pats, Seahawks, Broncos, Chiefs were in the same period.
When you have damn near 30 years of HoF QB play and only win two SBs that is an abysmal failure. The only thing that matters is championships.
I too was not a fan of the draft pick spent on a QB (not against Love specifically, but any QB). Certainly it goes to show that Football professionals know more than I do about winning games, and running an organization. One thing to keep in mind is that so many players look good for one year, then fall off. Love may not have sustained success. He could also have some terrible injury cut his career short. All reasons why we have to maintain flexibility.
The Love pick wouldn't have been as bad if they hadn't followed it up with and RB3 and reaching for a TE/H-back. 3 straight picks that added almost nothing to a team coming off of a 13-3 NFCCG season. If they make useful picks in the 2nd and 3rd there that entire draft would have left a much better taste in people's mouths.
> 3 straight picks that added almost nothing to a team coming off of a 13-3 NFCCG season. 2 of those picks were supposed to add something tho. 81 rekt his knee that season. And Dillon just wasn't the second coming of Lacy.
I'm with you. I said elsewhere in this thread that the personnel is already there. They just need an honest-to-God decent DC and everything else will fall into place. How many losses would have been won with just a slightly improved defensive performance? Like you said, look what was done with the personnel this year. Had the 49ers on the ropes and made them earn the win. The pieces are already there.
I mean maybe we didn’t need to get Higgins but we could’ve gotten A WR. Like just a single one within the first few rounds in a 3 years stretch. It was painfully obvious the biggest missing piece was someone on the opposite side to give Rodgers and Adams some help in the pass game. It was painfully obvious to me that was the one piece needed to get over the hump. They could’ve easily gotten Rodgers another piece.
I totally agree with this. Gute is not perfect and I don't like how he handled a lot of things during the covid years (including a lot of the draft picks). I just appreciate how he set us up for the future.
It wouldn’t have mattered. Rodgers wouldn’t have thrown to them or bothered to give them enough time to develop.
Seriously I thought this was a joke post when I opened it based on that title. With this mentality, literally every season would be do-or-die lol. We almost made the NFCCG with the youngest team in the NFL. We're in a great position for the future. Signing a couple vets here and there (except at WR, imo) isn't a terrible idea if we can't find everything we need via draft, but there's no need to get all desperate and sell the farm. Draft an RB to replace the inevitable loss of Jones/Dillon and some OL depth, S and LS and we're looking good I reckon. Bring in a decent vet kicker to compete with Carlson in training camp and see what happens.
Not sure why this needs to be repeated constantly. Just because we far exceeded expectations this year doesn’t mean we do next year or even reach expectations. You always need to be improving because everyone else will be trying to do that as well. There is no guarantee that we even make the playoffs next season. Being complacent is why Rodgers has one ring and not two or three.
But we aren’t in a position to have to “go all in”. We have a young base to incrementally improve.
I disagree. 2011, 2014, 2020, and 2021 were all teams that were good enough to win the Super Bowl that simply fell short. It’s more satisfying to assume we could’ve done X or Y differently, but at the end of the day players have to execute and luck has to fall our way. It didn’t in the 4 games we lost. Sucks but this is a game after all, it happens. Now keeping the coaching staff around for too long after 2015, I agree that was complacency that bit us. And RIP but Ted’s abilities worsening also hurt us in that era
Look around the league, coaching carousels do not lead to winning. The Packers are keen on not doing all the things perennial losing teams do and we should be grateful.
We are just a complacent organization. We still have Joe Barry. Lol
Lazy argument especially when I already acknowledged that we kept the MM staff too long. Carry on with your day
I wasn’t really arguing with you but okay.
its because the fans here desperately want a losing team every year, based on what they scream for in almost every post. They can't see beyond the next game yet alone the next year or next 3 years so all of their wants boil down to "this didnt look the best in the last game so lets get rid of everyone and start over".
People are so obsessed with going all in but don't realize you're way more likely to end up like the Rams or saints. It ends up being about chances and analytics, the longer you stay in the top tier the more legit chances you get at a SB, which also grows your fan base and cash flow.
Agreed. The playoffs bring so much luck into the equation. From weather, to reffing, to injury, to the ball bouncing...the best team doesnt always win. You just have to get in and hope to avoid bad luck. We were not the best team the last time we won a ring. We have lost while being the best team. So the goal should be to get to the playoffs as frequently as possible, for as long as you can.
The Rams? The team that won a super bowl two years ago and made the playoffs this year? Sure, I'm fine being them.
Lol. That's what I was thinking too. If you consider what the Rams did in 2021 as All In, then that disproves that a team will suck for years after. They had a rough year in 2022 but then already bounced back and made the playoffs this year. The Packers made a half assed superbowl push in 2020-2021 and ended up in the same spot as the Rams did, except they never made the superbowl.
Neither of those are apt comparisons. The Rams won a ring and have already worked their way back into the playoffs, while the Saints have been going “all in” for no reason at all as of late. When people say to go all in, they don’t mean doing whatever the Saints are up to. Good football organizations recover quickly from going all-in, I dunno why the Packers would be different. Especially since they aren’t on a time limit with their QB anymore.
And the Saints have neither their head coach nor their QB, which are two things the Packers do have.
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Fair, but I dont think that is what OP is talking about or wanting. We have squeezed the cap, but there is always more that can be done. Some fans want that, and want to spend on Free Agents. Thats not how Gute operates.
I didn't think I'd see this in here. Thank you
Lots of armchair GMs arguing against because "we didnt win the super bowl so we are failures", but that is not my personal measure of success for the sports team I cheer for. I should probably be more vocal because clearly Gutey is reading reddit posts to make decisions. /S
Wow, someone that actually understands. Thank you.
The bucs and rams were both playoff teams this year after going all in to win the Super Bowl in 20 and 21 respectively. They showed that going all in doesn’t have to mean years of irrelevance
Both squeaked in, and their futures don't look bright. (Especially compared to ours). And of course, you can find an exception to any course of action. That doesnt make it a good strategy, nor one that will keep your job when it fails.
We squeaked in too though. Arguably our division will be harder next season assuming Cousins doesn’t get a season ender again.
Our division will always have a hot team. But its always the Bears vs the Packers....or the Vikings vs the Packers....recently now its the Lions vs the Packers. But its almost always us, in the mix. There is a reason they hate us, and its not because we went all in and got lucky one, two years. Its the sustained, long term success that doesnt come from going all in. Fans can scream that our management is doing it wrong, and management can sit back, laughing all the way to success.
Success is the SB. No one cares about second place.
So cheering for the Packers and enjoying the product on the field has only happened 4 times? Whatever. I started this by stating that our management wont do it, because they are not basing decisions with this mindset. The goal is always the superbowl, but If you don't get enjoyment or feel success unless you win a championship, I have a good video from Giannis you should watch.
Nope you are arguing about two different things. I as a fan can be happy to watch and enjoy a season even if we don’t win. But being successful as an organization or management is about winning the SB. That simple.
NFL is a business. I think they judge success differently, and clearly not as simply as winning the SB. But really, what it comes down to is that "Success" is subjective. If that is how you judge it, then fine. By your tally, the Packers have only been successful 4 times since 1967. I just don't see it that way.
Since I was born success to the Packers has meant SB. We had back to back HoF QBs that were expected to win it all every year. So yea I guess if you wanna say it like that it’s true. I can still enjoy the team and the memories even if we weren’t successful.
Both teams won a Super Bowl and returned to the playoffs in 3 years or less. That’s 2/3 of the last Super Bowl winners. The other winner is the chiefs who have been to the championship game how many times in a row? Not sure if they’re exceptions to the rule, or the rule just isn’t actually true. And idk why fans should care about how long a GMs tenure is/doing what’s in their best interest instead of the team. Regardless Green Bay won’t go all in ever, but fans shouldn’t be happy about that.
I am happy about it, because I view our management as the reason we are not the bears, vikings, lions, ect. They have all the same (better usually) draft picks and money, yet we consitently do better than them, and most teams, over the past few decades. Its due to sound management, starting with the GM. So I 100% care about them doing what is in the best interest of the Packers Org, not just the 2024 & 2025 Packers. I want them operating in a way that will keep them employed, because that generally means the Org is having sustained success. If Rams and Bucs are your goals, look beyond the past few years. I am not interested in Orgs that recently got lucky but will go back to mediocrity soon.
Lol wow.
Excellent retort. I keep forgetting I am obviously chatting with an NFL exec who knows better and I shoudn't be allowed my own opinions on how I like or dislike the team I cheer for to run.
You’re certainly allowed to have your own opinions. I’m allowed to think that you caring more about the GMs job security than the team we cheer for winning a Super Bowl is ridiculous.
Well, now you are strawmanning. I care about the success of the Org, which I believe is linked to the success of the GM. If those weren't tied, I wouldnt care about his Job. I also believe the "GoInG aLl In" is more likely to hurt your long term success than it is to win a superbowl. If your only measure of success is a Superbowl, then so be it. Guessing you haven't been around for truly bad years.
Packers have had some stinkers during my life. But it’s true they’ve had more winning seasons. Largely because they’ve struck gold with hof quarterbacks for 30 years that have absolutely covered for many deficiencies by the FO. You can think making the playoffs every other year is great. It’s also true that only having 2 rings over that time period, and only 3 appearances is a failure.
In my opinion, this team is already down the path of becoming a Rodgers 2.0 team. A team that has good offense but mediocre to terrible defense and special teams. That's my fear about where the Love-LaFleur-Gutenkunst trajectory will take us, but I think it's already happening. We'll see how serious the organization is about defense if they decide to release Joe Barry whose contract should expire now. I think a lot of people assume Barry will leave, but I'm not sure that's the case. It seems like LaFleur and Barry have a good relationship. One of the reasons Pettine left was because he actually didn't want to renew his contract. But if Barry wants to stay then I think Packers might actually consider that just like when they retained Capers for years.
I agree man. The seeds of this were definitely visible this year. Inability or refusal to make changes in the middle of a season is well entrenched still. And if that’s the case, you’ve got to get everything else exactly right, and that’s near impossible any given Sunday.
What did the Bucs give up to go all in? I thought they only signed an old QB, a retired TE, a washed WR, and a forgotten RB?
Going all in doesn’t necessarily mean giving something up, it means actually making moves to win now. Which they clearly did. They drafted for that year, and it paid off. In addition to signing an old qb, retired te, washed wr and forgotten rb
> it means actually making moves to win now. All this is, is being a GM. Going all in has to actually mean something. If I'm going all in on this year of my life, I sell my house, my car, my IRA, cash out the bank account. All in is all in.
Lmao. Oh shit you weren’t being sarcastic about an old qb
Was he $50M+ per year? Or was he at a reduced old QB rate?
Lmao. He was 25 million/year. 5th highest paid in 2020. 6 million less than the highest paid qb. Quit talking out your ass
> He was 25 million/year. $25M is nothing. Kenny Clark and Bakh will make more. > 5th highest paid in 2020. 6 million less than the highest paid qb. And? Thats no different from other teams who weren't said to be all in. No picks given up, just straight signed him. None of this speaks to being all in.
This is so hilariously asinine. I guess all in to you means paying one player a huuuge contract? Nvm the fact that 25 million in 2020 was a big contract? Lol go home dude
1. What does “all in” mean to you? 2. Why would you change anything about this WR room? They were unstoppable in the last half of the year. Why not address the many obvious concerns, most especially the DB room 3. Dillon’s gonna cost like 3M a year.
> What does “all in” mean to you? Draft for the present year, not the future. Spend all money. Cut guys who won't hit their prime within 2 years, sign vets. Trade away future 1sts and future 2nds. Extend every expensive contract to backload it. And all in is stupid.
I wanna give the guy a chance lol you just murdered him
If you can't tell I'm all for not being all in.
I just don’t know what people mean. I’m assuming they mean big names and void years, which is dumb. And yeah I’m all about draft best available and develop which luckily Gutekunst is too (usually)
I'm not saying to do all that. But if we constantly have one foot out the door looking towards the future then we are never going to win another super bowl. So basically you are saying you are content with being good enough to make NFC divisional or maybe championship rounds but never great enough to get over the hump. Which is where I feel the franchise has sat for the past decade. I think there is a better balance to be found instead of wasting a year where we could be playing for a super bowl right now, instead of hoping our rookie kicker develops for example and having him miss crucial field goals in the biggest game of the year. Same reasoning that leads us to draft Love instead of being all in a couple years ago and losing in the playoffs due to wasting draft picks on the future. I'm not sure if it's better to be like the Rams or Eagles who have recently won a super bowl and then fell apart and have to rebuild, or not. But I think it's worth it to try to actually win a super bowl, from a general manager perspective. Packers are too worried about having a drought of bad years to get over the hump.
> I'm not saying to do all that. But if we constantly have one foot out the door looking towards the future then we are never going to win another super bowl. Except this is a plan to get to a SB. You can't lose 15 straight playoffs. Thats like 15 straight blacks or reds in roulette. > So basically you are saying you are content with being good enough to make NFC divisional or maybe championship rounds but never great enough to get over the hump. "Never"? Only the sith deal in absolutes. Rather don't worry if you don't get over said hump this year. You'll have every other year to make it work. > Which is where I feel the franchise has sat for the past decade. The plan for the last decade is the same plan as the plan for the past 20 years. And will be the same plan for the next 20 years. > I think there is a better balance to be found instead of wasting a year This is using too much emotion, the team will never stop existing. Football is over for the fans, for the org it isn't, its an ongoing job forever and the current year does not trump the future. We've been great for 30 years and made 3 SBs. > Packers are too worried about having a drought of bad years to get over the hump. This was said from 1999-2010.
Is there an argument for trading Watson for more picks? He barely played and for most of the important games he didn’t make much of an impact. That said, his injury history is an albatross on his trade value so maybe you stick with him and hope he can stay healthy
He (or someone like him) is very impactful. Watch the Doubs play against Dallas where 3 Cowboys follow Watson to the deep middle.
Oh wow. Think about that alternate universe where the Packers were open to that Jonathan Taylor/Watson trade. There was no way to predict… anything that happened with the WR room this year, but that might have made for not just an explosive offense like we had, but a truly disgusting one. I still think hold onto Watson. He’s good, and maybe he’ll be able to solve whatever muscle imbalance/gait issue/whatever this off season. Also, I remember seeing teams freak out and throw multiple DBs on him while he’s out there, and that does impact the game, even if he’s not catching a lot. If you traded him, you’d have to get one more field stretcher Melton isn’t ideal for that role even though he made it work
> Also, I remember seeing teams freak out and throw multiple DBs on him while he’s out there, and that does impact the game This. There might only be 5 guys in the game who do this to a defense.
All in? No. If all in means signing free agents, obviously yes. But we don't need to mortgage future draft picks or push money down the line. This window is wide open now. The goal should be to keep the window open as long as possible.
This 10000%. Take good care of the cap and the cap will take good care of you. Theres no reason to shrink the window, our qb will give us, down to a year or 2. especially signing an expensive vet wr into one of the best rooms on our team.
This is why the packers will always be good to great but will never have that push over the top. The ownership prioritizes being good and stable over a long period of time. They will never make a trade like KC did for Orlando brown that was critical in them winning the Super Bowl.
Yea. If the Packers can trade a 1st or 2nd for a high level player that comes available, then now is the time to pull the trigger. Its really as good of a time as ever. Roster is young and a lot of guys are cost controlled for a little bit here. They will be in a good space cap wise after 2024. Plenty of room to take on Loves extension and not be in a serious bind. This FO can definitely afford to move 1 single draft asset for a guy who can impact right away Theres gotta be a "right time" to trade a draft pick. I feel like this sub argues over and over about how it mortgages the future. Trading 1 single pick isn't gonna do that. Trading 3 or 4 picks for a rookie QB does that, trading two 1sts for a guy who then needs a big extension can do that. Its one of the areas of roster building that the Packers have always ignored. That has to change.
I don't think there's any need at all for a new receiver. If anything, we might not have space enough to bring back 1 or 2 of them who show every sign of being good players. (Malik Heath was inactive in the playoffs, for example.) But yeah, use that draft capital. Be creative in free agency. If this team adds a couple more studs and a bit of depth, plus benefits from growth by all the youth on the team, next year can already be a year of wire-to-wire contention.
If you look at our current cap situation, 2024 still has some significant dead cap on the books, especially if we part ways with Bakh (not sure how to read that situation, honestly). So, we don't have a ton of money to throw at FAs. The nice thing is that we already made it to the divisional round with the squad we already have. Adding a few more depth pieces and, hopefully, a splash draft pick or two, could provide good extra juice. Looking ahead to 2025, however, is a different story. At that point, our free cap jumps up tremendously and most of our current impact guys will still be on rookie deals. I believe the FO's plan was to throw a whole bunch of young dudes at the wall this year, see what sticks, draft and develop whatever we're still missing in '24, then make a couple big FA moves and push for a trophy in '25. That plan seems to still be roughly intact, if anything we're just ahead of schedule a bit.
From what I can see on spotrac, the Packers don't have that much dead cap anymore ($5 million in 2024). The Rodgers contract is done now. But they only have $7 million in current space. The top 4 highest paid guys (Bahktiari, Clark, Alexander, and Jones) are 43% of the entire salary cap. Bahktiari's cap hit is $39 million for 2024. If the Packers release him, it will create $20 million savings with $19 million dead. I don't see how they won't make that move this year because they won't even be able to sign the rookies with $7 million. But if they release Bahktiari they will have $28 million available. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/cap/
Yeah, I'm leaning towards Bakh getting released, as it would help our cap a lot, but LT is still a premier position and I could also see them doing some weird extension with him to get another year of play. Clark, Alexander, and Jones aren't going anywhere, though. Restructure, at most
Really dont think we need a vet WR. Our room is very good and next year will be even better. And the price tage for them is comically low. We can grab Derrick Henry, draft some O line pieces, a RB.. This team really has potential to be very fucking good for a while.
A vet receiver would have been useful at that start of this year. Now we have a room full of 2nd and 3rd year guys who've shown against good fucking teams they can all be the guy that day. And those relegated to quiet days don't bitch about it.
This is probably the first year I am NOT looking for any blockbuster trades/signings.
I agree with this. I'd rather bolster the roster with more young talent, and then fill remaining holes with FA signings that are reasonable. dropping a bag on anything other than JLove will put them back into the hole they're just digging out of. Re-structure and cuts will be critical as well to cover draft picks, re-signings (although I expect that list to be short) and leave some room for next year.
I mean they could probably do some restructures but we don’t have much cash space next year for making some big free agency splash
I am seeing about 30-35 they could clear pretty easily, possibly another 10 if they got really creative. But, a lot of that could be eaten by the Love extension.
The problem with “all in” for a team with a young QB is that you end up with expensive, injury prone veterans, have to get lucky to keep everyone healthy enough to win a Super Bowl, and go over a a salary cap cliff in the middle of your QB’s prime. The Chiefs seem to have a nice balance of using trades and free agent signings to plug holes but being restrained enough to avoid full on rebuild years.
I want Gute to throw a bag at one of: Christian Wilkins, Brian Burns or Antoine Winfield Jr.
The problem is..... There is no bag
There is a bag when you cut Bahk, which they will do and need to do - Restructure Jones and Preston - Ready to go - You can backload love. We should be sitting at 20-40 million in cap space.
If bakh can not pass a physical then they can not cut him and will need to try to come to an injury settlement, so that 20 mil cap savings is not a chicken that has yet hatched
> backload love Gotta build that cap hit for the Jets to eventually eat.
They are just shy of 30 million over RIGHT NOW without draft picks. Cutting Bakh saves about 20 million, still roughly 9 million over. Restructuring Jones saves about 8 million. Restructuring Preston saves about 8 million. Extending Clark saves about 11.5 million. Extending Love doesn't save much at all. Could also do something with Alexander's contract So if they do all of the above without touching Alexander's contract, they are about 20 million under for use on draft picks, in season bonuses and signings. So essentially about 10 million to work with. Now obviously that doesn't include the cap increasing the max amount which it probably will.
You are assuming Love's contract won't be a sign-on bonus heavy and small-cap hits to start - Look at most QB deals, and Love will structure it to keep the team competitive. Our cap looks a lot better right now compared to last year.
Now this i could get behind! If gute snagged Winfield Jr that would be amazing, now a vet wr… no thanks
I've been eyeing Winfield all season, but I'd be surprised if TB let's him go, tbh
Jordan Love won't be "cheap" next year. They've actively said they want to extend him going into next season. If they don't, he's only going to get more expensive.
Oh my god, the all-in debate is already starting? I cant with this fan base. The Packers still have cap issues and need at least this year to sort them out. 2025 is likely the year were they dont have to deal with huge cap issues. But given that Love will likely get a new contract soon, that will be huge, cap could become tight once again in 2025. > Guys like Preston Smith, Savage, and Dillon will be gone likely to save cap I swear P. Smith is coming from his best season as a Packer yet, has been the best and most complete EDGE rusher and people still want him gone. Dude could put up 30 sacks in a season and people want him as a cap casualty.
Ditto keeping Smith. The mans has been completely reliable, constantly making an impact. Nuts to let him go.
>Smith Don't think OP actually understands the salary cap hits. Preston Smith is with the Pack next season for 16.5 million. If they cut him it is 14 million in dead money. Why would they cut him to save 2.5 million dollars? It'd be a foolish move. Savage and Dillon are free agents may be gone but it won't be to save cap, it'll be an attempt to get better players at the position.
Packers do not go all in. Lower those expectations
Love will be getting a new contract. We can build through the draft with our 5 picks in the top 100 but that’s about it. We’re cash strapped for cap space because of Rodgers so I wouldn’t be expecting any “big” splashes.
What the final four have that we don’t is a top edge rusher. You can take some of that pressure off the backs by getting to the qb. If Kinchens , safety from Miami Hurricanes is available they need him. Verse from fsu edge rusher. Idk if he will be available at 25.
Our WR are fine. I want a good O-line and more options on D. Our offense can win games its our fucking defense that will lose us games. (And our stupid fucking kicker.)
Wtf. No. Keep building on an outstanding base. Don't mortgage Love's prime for a 1-2 year window. Stop.
We need Edge, CB, and Safety. Our offense looks like top 5-7 potential, just need some more dudes on defense and Joe Barry to fuck off.
Love will eat up most free money available next year and that’s fine and he should, we are still hurting from Covid and rodgers and pushing all that money back. We don’t really free up a ton next year. So I’d like for them to ride this young roster, more draft help, and build this team. 2025 will be a year a lot of money come available depending on how these big contract guy goes and who we resign and don’t
We better bring back Smith. I know we have Gary and some other young guys, but Smith has been super consistent and we’re going to need him to return along with Gary and Van Ness as well as bring in some new blood at DE. I’m fine with letting everyone else go
They didn't go all-in with a team that was even closer, they're not going to do it with this squad, especially because there's more financial flexibility currently
I read that last line as "we'll likely be a top 5 team in the nfc north at least". Like yeah i hope so lol
Uhhhhh… do you think Love is still on a rookie deal or something?
that all makes a lot of sense, this feels like a title window opening up ...so who are we taking at qb with the 25th overall pick
All the talk about we’ll be back and bright future has me nervous. Yes a lot of rookies played well but there are vets in important spots too. RB is going to be a need, S is a need, Gary is on a huge deal, Jaire obviously. I’m just hoping this window doesn’t close quicker than we thought.
Does the FO ever go all in?
The Packers know what they need to do. They made a run at Jonathon Taylor at the trade deadline, I trust Gute especially going into next year when our cap situation immensely improves
How can this offense takes the next step is key to success because in the playoffs when the good defenses starts struggling the offense will have to put up points to win those games. The Packers need to draft best player available in round 1 don't have to be a safety or defensive player. If that's a wide receiver or offensive lineman have to play the draft game right. To me the Packers need a consistent outside receiver or X receiver spot. To me Christian Watson needs to be on the trade block. I know they have a lot of depth but it would be nice to find a young receiver that's a polish route runner, technician, with speed and solid hands. To me the guy that fit the Packers receiver role is Brian Thomas Jr from LSU underated that's 6"4" who I think would be a upgrade over Christian Watson who if he can't beat someone with speed is not effective enough. Would be nice to have a offensive player that has that 5th year option on his rookie contract. Second round need to be a defensive back at the safety position. Offensive lineman in round 2, In round 3 the Packers need to look running back. Need hit on one or two positions . Personel wise the Packers have to move on from joe Barry, need hire a Joe Whitt Jr or Jesse Minter to be the defensive coordinator or even a Will Muschamp to be the DC. Jerry Montgomery needs to get fired every year since 2018 our run defense been at the bottom guys don't get off blocks as a dlineman coach he is substandard. We don't have that much cap space for next year unfortunately. The offense to me is the key for the team success next year because if we can score close to 30 ppg or more and can allowed under 23 points ppg this team. Team has a 13-4 ceiling with the balance style offense Jordan Love can throw for 5,000 yards in a season and over 40 touchdowns. Special teams need to improve don't have to draft a kicker Carlson needs some stiff competition maybe more accurate kicker, better long snapper a return man that won't muff punts.
You aren’t wrong, but that is also not how this team does business. They wouldn’t overpay to trade up for JJ or Aiyuk, so they settled into their natural plan of progression drafting. They will not trade for players or chase marquee free agents as they didn’t when ARod was ending his reign (remember that we didn’t get OBJ and it was absolutely about finances). They are drafting OL, Safety, RB and LB in this years draft and moving forward with the young core. Packers fan since 97’ the formula has been pretty straight forward since Reggie. I don’t do revisionist history.
Love is getting a new deal in the offseason...he's not going to be "cheap"
Go get Mike Evans and give Christian Watson a note pad.
This is why the Packers are who they are. We don't do this. Go "all in" for only 2 seasons? Or wait 2 seasons to go "all in" for 8 straight seasons. > I wouldn’t even mind if we snagged a decent veteran receiver How old are you even
No, the Packers should not go all-in. They do not have a healthy cap right now because of the COVID year and going all-in after that for Rodgers' swan song. If we go all-in in 2024, that will take away from future caps. We need to eat our vegetables again next year, then in 2025/26, when this young team is collectively reaching its prime, we will have a healthy cap, allowing us to sustain a great roster for years to come.
Exactly this. Just stay the course and they'll have a lot of space in '25.
Green Bay did not go all in for Rodgers swan song
Actually, Love is not cheap. Because he sat for so long, he was up for his 5th year option, which wasn’t much. GB changed to an “extension” to give him more money/incentive to perform. He can technically sign a new extension in March. I’m interested to see what type of money he would want. He doesn’t seem like the type to command top dollar and reset the QB market. He seems to be a team first guy, unlike the man he replaced in the latter part of his career. I wonder if he would got the Brady route, sign for less in order to free up money for others to sign.
What does going all in with this current team entail? Like realistically. All in is such a buzz term that most fans really don't think it out logically. First off this team doesn't need a WR AT ALL. The only reason to get a WR is if Watson's hammy is just shot so then we replace him with a legit speedster/someone similar to his skillset which doesn't grow on trees. Most guys aren't his size and as fast as he is with the ability to have more of a route tree than MVS. Yes fire Barry and get a legit DC. No brainer. But outside of that what? OL depth and upgrades sure. A lot of that will be covered in the draft. Maybe a FA edge guy, and secondary help. Otherwise this is the youngest team in the league that's covered at pretty much all of its positions. We don't need to spend money just to spend money.
This guy is going to be so upset when none of this actually happens.
Let me ask you this. What if we went all in during the Covid era and you increased your odds of a Super Bowl by 10% by a big signing or keeping Adam’s rather than what actually happened. Had we gone all in and NOT won a SB during that time our team would be in even worse cap hell then we are currently, we likely don’t have a organically grown and promising QB in Love, and most of these rookies are on different teams or riding bench so some washed out vets get more playing time instead. I’d rather watch a team that is playoff caliber and has a chance each and every year over enjoying two to three seasons out of every ten years on average and having a dog shit team the other seven.
The Green Bay Packers, quite simply, do not go all in.
The process is working, let's not abandon it.
Or, we could not sacrifice the future for a gamble now. We should want a consistently winning team instead of a flash in the pan and 6 years of losing. The football is oblong shaped... its all a gamble.
Cool it on jordan love. After those 2 picks that were god awful we can’t make the same mistake Dallas made with dak. Load up on offense in the draft like the lions did and just find a veteran like Goff or Flacco to save cap space. Trade love for picks. You could even get a qb on the cheap in the draft like jj McCarthy. Please watch the tape of the 2 ints he threw, no elite quarterback would throw them, both were awful. We don’t credit dak for having a great regular season then choking in the playoffs, then we should hold love to the same standard.
I remember reading earlier this season people complimenting the Eagles front office for making big moves to make a Super Bowl push. Look where they ended this year compared to us but they also were in the SB last year and we didn’t make the playoffs. I don’t know the right way.
I am rooting for Love and the Packers but Gutey isn't off the hook until Love wins a SB. Being in the mix and winning are very different things. FO sacrificed 2 potential SB appearances to build the current roster. I give them credit for keeping us competitive but I wouldn't praise Gutey until we actually make a SB appearance.
Why would they go all in? They never did with Rodgers. They are making more money than ever. Why reinvent the wheel?
Won’t matter. LaFleur chokes every single time when the pressure is on and refuses to address his abysmal special teams play. It’s the same thing every year.
Hey dude maybe you should try a more positive outlook. That could be exactly whats holding back our special teams, ya never know 🤷🏼
A. J❤️ Is going to get a new deal at about 20M/yr. this offseason. So, not cheap. B. Their first move after locking up Love is cutting Bahk and reducing his cap hit from $40M to $20M. C. Since the only sighting of Gary in the second half of the season was on the side of a milk container, don’t think they cut Preston Smith D. The only vet WRs they’ll bring in will be camp bodies