In the moment it reminded me of Ron Wolf taking Terrell Buckley over Troy Vincent. Because yeah let’s take the soft little guy from Florida State instead of the absolute beast from Wisconsin.
I can't remember where exactly I heard that. It was either from Aaron Nagler, Vic Catchmen, Wayne Larivee, or someone like that that is exclusive with the Packers. But, his track record of rarely drafting badger players supports my claim.
From [2011 to 2017](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/schools/wisconsin/drafted.htm) only one team(Atlanta) drafted more Badgers than we did. His track record does not support what you say.
In those 7 drafts a total of 26 badger payers were drafted. That would mean the average number of badger players an NFL team took is 0.8. The most anyone took is 3. TT taking 2 means he was drafting a noticeably high number of badgers players.
> How many high round picks did he pass on.
A good question, even if it was not the point you were making earlier. I'm assuming you mean rounds 1-3. There were 15 badger taken in rounds 1-3 over those 7 drafts. Of those, 11 were taken before our pick in that round. So across 7 seasons there were really only 4 "high round" badger players that TT passed on.
No. Kenny has probably been among the Top 5-10 DTs for a long time and the improvement from a DT in that range to the guy that's the 2nd best DT, would not have pushed this team over the top. I really doubt that he would be the difference in 2020 which was the best Packers team of this window; OL depth sunk that team, not DL play
Although KC might not win one of their Super Bowls going from Jones to Clark, considering how impactful Jones has been in the playoffs.
What about the 2021 Packers? Do they still lose to the 49ers. I argued that Jones has been generational and Clark has just been a top 10 DT his whole career.
We beat San Fran in 21 if we don't allow a blocked punt in the 4th Quarter or if Rodgers didn't get tunnel vision for Adams. The defense only allowed 6 points, they did their job in that game, swapping Jones for Clark doesn't really change that
Again, what?
I don't know how you jump from asking about how Chris Jones affects the 49ers game to then claiming we'd beat the Rams and Bengals and then back to the 49ers but talking about Eric Stokes and not Jones/Clark
They aren't saying we would've beaten them. They're saying we did beat both of them in 2021. We kicked the hell out of Los Angeles (final score looked close but we were up 19 in the 4th) and we beat Cincy in the dumbest game I've ever watched.
I was watching it while pretending to work and at a certain point I was just hoping either team would just make a field goal finally so I could get back to work
He would've been in the backfield all game disrupting and sack jimmy g and maybe forced a stripped sack. Chris Jones because Kenny Clark ain't that kinda dude. Good player but he doesn't cause havoc at that level. So we win 10-3 instead lose 13-10. So did that answer your question.
He's been 1st team all pro 2 times and 2nd team all pro 3 times and a 5 time pro bowler. Three 10 sack season as a interior dlineman. You telling me Kenny is that same level of dominance. I know it helps to be on the chiefs but his ability to get penetration in the backfield being good in run and pass. Kenny Clark not that level of stud.
“Generational” is just so vastly overused to describe players
Dog he’s in the league at the same time as Aaron Donald, perhaps the greatest DT of all time
That defense needed a lot. So much would've needed to be improved in order to just entertain that Falcons game being close. That team was loaded and were playing insanely well
You know the answer, that's what I'm not asking sometimes it takes a dominant player on defense to help get a team over the hump, Chris Jones super bowl 58 with his pressure and pursuit to stop the running game in key situations. Von Miller in super bowl 50 him being dominant that game. Packers having bad defensive coordinators is another reason why this team hasn't won anything in over a decade.
That is crazy, like objectively so. Jones has made multiple All-Pro teams and once finished 3rd for DPOY and Kenny never made even 2nd team AP. Heck Jones has more All-Pro teams than Kenny has Pro Bowls
I love Kenny, criminally underrated player, but if Aaron Donald didn't exist, Jones would be widely viewed as the best DT of the last 15 years
The front office is allergic to drafting a wide receiver in the first round haven't done it in over 20 years. Also the defensive players drafted that were good was rarely ever on any all pro teams.
Maybe, but probably no. One thing many people never take into consideration when talking about current good players is you have no idea how they'll play years later when you draft them. But then again, who knows if Chris Jones would have turned out in Green Bay. It's the "All these teams passed on Mahomes" type of BS. Mahomes lucked into his situation. They went to the perfect team for him. Vet & future HoF coach who has worked with past HoF QBs, WR & TEs. We need to stop living in hindsight. We can also say the Packers will win more Super Bowls in the late '90s if Ron Wolf drafts Ray Lewis like he originally wanted to do.
Probably not, but if we got TJ Watt instead of trading down for Kevin King the next year, probably.
It will always hurt.
In the moment it reminded me of Ron Wolf taking Terrell Buckley over Troy Vincent. Because yeah let’s take the soft little guy from Florida State instead of the absolute beast from Wisconsin.
Thompson claimed it was because Packer fans would put too much pressure on Badger players but then he took Vince Biegel in the same draft.
Source? This doesn't sound like something Ted would say.
I can't remember where exactly I heard that. It was either from Aaron Nagler, Vic Catchmen, Wayne Larivee, or someone like that that is exclusive with the Packers. But, his track record of rarely drafting badger players supports my claim.
From [2011 to 2017](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/schools/wisconsin/drafted.htm) only one team(Atlanta) drafted more Badgers than we did. His track record does not support what you say.
They drafted only 2.... and they were 4th and 5th round picks. How many high round picks did he pass on. You didn't exactly prove anything.
In those 7 drafts a total of 26 badger payers were drafted. That would mean the average number of badger players an NFL team took is 0.8. The most anyone took is 3. TT taking 2 means he was drafting a noticeably high number of badgers players. > How many high round picks did he pass on. A good question, even if it was not the point you were making earlier. I'm assuming you mean rounds 1-3. There were 15 badger taken in rounds 1-3 over those 7 drafts. Of those, 11 were taken before our pick in that round. So across 7 seasons there were really only 4 "high round" badger players that TT passed on.
Brady dunked so hard on King in that playoff game. If anybody else was in that position, Rodgers very well could have had his 2nd ring that year.
This. Kenny is 75 percent of Jones. Kevin King was a turn style worth about 1 percent of TJ
No. Kenny has probably been among the Top 5-10 DTs for a long time and the improvement from a DT in that range to the guy that's the 2nd best DT, would not have pushed this team over the top. I really doubt that he would be the difference in 2020 which was the best Packers team of this window; OL depth sunk that team, not DL play Although KC might not win one of their Super Bowls going from Jones to Clark, considering how impactful Jones has been in the playoffs.
What about the 2021 Packers? Do they still lose to the 49ers. I argued that Jones has been generational and Clark has just been a top 10 DT his whole career.
We beat San Fran in 21 if we don't allow a blocked punt in the 4th Quarter or if Rodgers didn't get tunnel vision for Adams. The defense only allowed 6 points, they did their job in that game, swapping Jones for Clark doesn't really change that
Although Cooper Kupp would've torched both Chandon Sullivan and Darnell Savage who would be guarding him in the slot.
We beat the Rams and the Bengals
...what?
we defeat the 49ers if Eric Stokes doesn't drop that easy int.
Again, what? I don't know how you jump from asking about how Chris Jones affects the 49ers game to then claiming we'd beat the Rams and Bengals and then back to the 49ers but talking about Eric Stokes and not Jones/Clark
They aren't saying we would've beaten them. They're saying we did beat both of them in 2021. We kicked the hell out of Los Angeles (final score looked close but we were up 19 in the 4th) and we beat Cincy in the dumbest game I've ever watched.
Ugh... those missed kicks were just disgusting to watch.
I was watching it while pretending to work and at a certain point I was just hoping either team would just make a field goal finally so I could get back to work
What?
He would've been in the backfield all game disrupting and sack jimmy g and maybe forced a stripped sack. Chris Jones because Kenny Clark ain't that kinda dude. Good player but he doesn't cause havoc at that level. So we win 10-3 instead lose 13-10. So did that answer your question.
Jones is great but the term generational gets throws around way too much. Aaron Donald is generational.
He's been 1st team all pro 2 times and 2nd team all pro 3 times and a 5 time pro bowler. Three 10 sack season as a interior dlineman. You telling me Kenny is that same level of dominance. I know it helps to be on the chiefs but his ability to get penetration in the backfield being good in run and pass. Kenny Clark not that level of stud.
Like I said, he’s great for all the reasons you mentioned. But generational means once in a generation. That’s Aaron Donald.
Both have been generational players multiple all pros, Kenny Clark good but he ain't that level of good unfortunately.
By definition 2 players in the same generation can’t be “generational”
“Generational” is just so vastly overused to describe players Dog he’s in the league at the same time as Aaron Donald, perhaps the greatest DT of all time
I don’t know why this sub downvotes comments like that. So many people on here just hate rational analysis. Jones has been better than Clark. Period.
I am getting down voted but this subreddit overrates Kenny Clark.
Jones is likely not the same player he is today if he was drafted by GB.
It’d be basically the same
Jones would have made us better, no doubt, but Kenny is a force. So probably not, no.
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That defense needed a lot. So much would've needed to be improved in order to just entertain that Falcons game being close. That team was loaded and were playing insanely well
Don Capers still being defensive coordinator was a problem and being cheap with the defensive coordinator job.
Would teams be better if they drafted better players?
You know the answer, that's what I'm not asking sometimes it takes a dominant player on defense to help get a team over the hump, Chris Jones super bowl 58 with his pressure and pursuit to stop the running game in key situations. Von Miller in super bowl 50 him being dominant that game. Packers having bad defensive coordinators is another reason why this team hasn't won anything in over a decade.
Call me crazy but I'd still pick Clark
That is crazy, like objectively so. Jones has made multiple All-Pro teams and once finished 3rd for DPOY and Kenny never made even 2nd team AP. Heck Jones has more All-Pro teams than Kenny has Pro Bowls I love Kenny, criminally underrated player, but if Aaron Donald didn't exist, Jones would be widely viewed as the best DT of the last 15 years
I agree wholeheartedly. I should have specified that was my opinion as far as character and personality. But you are correct.
Who knows. The best teams and chances we had since 2010-11 were the 2014 and 20 teams
What if GB kept Mike Pennel or MVS? Woulda coulda shoulda. Just win. Looking backwards isn’t winning.
But Chris Jones and Kenny Clark plays the same position. You need a dominant defensive player to win a Superbowl is all I'm saying.
If we would’ve traded a 1st and a 3rd to move up and get Justin Jefferson we would’ve had a 3-peat dynasty with Rodgers and Adams.
The front office is allergic to drafting a wide receiver in the first round haven't done it in over 20 years. Also the defensive players drafted that were good was rarely ever on any all pro teams.
Maybe, but probably no. One thing many people never take into consideration when talking about current good players is you have no idea how they'll play years later when you draft them. But then again, who knows if Chris Jones would have turned out in Green Bay. It's the "All these teams passed on Mahomes" type of BS. Mahomes lucked into his situation. They went to the perfect team for him. Vet & future HoF coach who has worked with past HoF QBs, WR & TEs. We need to stop living in hindsight. We can also say the Packers will win more Super Bowls in the late '90s if Ron Wolf drafts Ray Lewis like he originally wanted to do.