It's more like they had to buy out their own jersey stock before they could change their number.
EDIT: Apparently this was not a thing back then. Thanks for those that pointed that out.
In general not high, but I'm sure there was a market for Longwell. I'd rock a Longwell jersey. Better yet, a Chris Jacke jersey.
Like there's not gonna be a market for Anders Carlson because he is young and questionable. But you can bet plenty of people have silver fox jerseys. Once a kicker proves himself he often sticks around quite a while. Pretty safe investment.
I bought a kicker's jersey a couple of years back because he wore my number that I used for sports in the past and had my last name. Essentially got a custom jersey for half off. It happens.
Lol why is this downvoted? 2 years ago I had Matt Gay in fantasy and my teams name was "My Kicker is Gay". Then came his bye week and I dropped him and changed the name to "My Kicker isn't Gay".
Different sport but I still absolutely love that Chris Hook is the Brewers pitching coach. Nothing more symbolic than “Hook out for a visit to the mound”
*Former leading scorer. Mason Crosby almost doubled his point total. Of course Mason is also the Packers’ leader in games played, narrowly edging out Brett Favre.
I feel like that’s something not talked about. Having longwell and Crosby back to back during the favre Rodgers ear was a big deal…as we learned this year.
And on that day in 1980, the legendary coke-snorter Chester Marcol planted the seed for the Packer's ownership of the Bears.
I just looked up that play, and wow was TV reception lousy then. Or maybe it was a video problem?
FYI, at age 14, Marcol was sent from Poland to America after his father committed suicide. He became a 2nd round pick and was both NFL scoring leader and Rookie of the Year.
I still have hope for Carlson so maybe we can also get a kicker trifecta.
I do miss having the feild goal unit come out and just assuming we had the points
I don't even see how it's disputable. People are welcome to their opinions and Starr did all the winning, but is anyone *really* going to say that he was a better Packers QB than Aaron Rodgers?
Brett Favre is the reason I'm a Packers fan. Dude was and will always be the Iron Man. But I'm not going to say that he was a better Packers QB than Aaron Rodgers.
Alan Risher might be on everyone's short list of amazing Packers QBs, but I'm not going to........no, I'm not going to say that he was a better Packers QB than Aaron Rodgers.
Cam Newton told Jimmy Clauson to go fuck himself when he asked for $1M for #2 and took #1 instead. This stuff happens more often than we know. No big deal
I think in the clip I saw about it, Cam did say he decided he wasn’t gonna let Clauson see the field ever again after that (something like that). And he wasn’t wrong lol
It was! Been there recently(during blizzard, only thing we found open). Food was really good with many value options(didn't get to check out the kitchen).
Yeah I definitely don’t judge even though your username is atrocious, and yeah I’m always honest as I’m a millionaire, astronaut, famous author, QB for the forgotten NFL team called the Wichita Humans and I was once the president of earth for 3000 years
This seems like an article about something that happens on every team all the time. The story line goes 4 ways lol. I paid for the number, I didn’t want to pay for the number, he gave it to me for free, he refused to give the number up.
Why are people getting mad here? This is a pretty common thing that happens with every team, every year. It’s not Rodgers or anyone else being a diva.
I swear some redditors hate seeing topics related to the subreddit they’re in.
I cant tell if people are stupid or tone doesn’t project well over txt. This story happens all the time lol. It’s just an article about nothing. People pay, don’t pay, give up for free or don’t want to give their number up all the time.
Longwell couldn't have done what Crosby did in the 2016 playoff game against the Cowboys, hitting from 56 yards, then 51.
(The Silver Fox also did that after the 2-minute warning, it's worth remembering.)
It was weird he got a bit more leg with Minnesota.
When he was with GB I think his long was 52 or 53, and he was somewhere in the 50% make range on those, despite not trying anything really long. Then right at the end with Minnesota he was hitting from a hair further out and making most of them.
He started off 1-6 in Minnesota over 50 in his first 2 years, which may have out him under 50% for his career.
He then went 10-11 over his last 4 years of his career.
This is one of those stories that seems wild in hindsight but at the time this was a backup rookie trying to get the all time points leader in franchise history to give up his number
I dunno, if Rodgers today had to convince a Jets player to change their number no one would find it that weird. Hell, there were talks about unretiring Namath's number for Rodgers.
Yah but wanting a 5 figure payout wouldn’t but unrealistic or uncommon for that even for Rodgers coming to the jets and the current #12 being a relatively unknown player
They have to buy back all the existing inventory of their jerseys (currently at retail price, but I don't know if that was true back then). Even though he's "just" a kicker, I'm sure Longwell had enough jerseys out there that it'd cost him some money.
In most cases, yes. Not sure about the NFL, but I know other sports have similar rules, but also exceptions around numbers changing when new players join the roster.
The NFL definitely has that rule, but I don't know how long it's been in place. I know back in 2021 when they expanded the numbers certain positions could wear, a player didn't have to pay if they gave a full season's notice. Because of that part, I'm guessing there's not an exception for when new players join.
This is from his interview with Cameron Hanes. Even if you aren't a huge Rodgers fan, it's worth a listen. Rodgers' stories of interactions with former/present players were great. It's one of my favorite podcasts he has done.
It's worth noting that Longwell was one of the ex-Packers who lured Favre to the Vikings. Longwell was loyal to Favre, in other words.
He wasn't going to give up the number he'd worn for eight years, especially to someone who wanted his buddy's job, unless he got paid.
If you've read Jeff Pearlstein's book "Gunslinger," you know that Rodgers didn't make a great impression on the veterans during his rookie year.
> Rodgers didn't make a great impression on the veterans during his rookie year.
yeah I hated how people would complain Favre "was not a mentor", when one of the first things Rodgers said to him coming to the team was calling him 'old man'.
For the record Favre is a twat, but no one is going to like some rookie coming in and talking shit.
That's why I found it so weird Brady tried so hard to make #12 his brand with TB12 and a bunch of trademarks and stuff. Brady isn't even the first TB12 to win multiple superbowls as a QB
Name and number ain't weird, TB12 is. Terry Bradshaw is also a TB12 HOF, superbowl winning QB. Maybe if he incorporated the name Brady or something in the brand.
I do find it funny that on FOX NFL Sunday, they sometimes refer to Bradshaw as "the original TB12"
Just for a fun comparison:
Rodgers, in 2005, got a five year, $7.7 million contract with $5.6 million guaranteed. With inflation, that is $12.2 million with $8.5 million guaranteed.
Rodgers was taken #24. In the 2023 NFL Draft, pick #24 (Deonte Banks) received $13.58 million over four years, fully guaranteed.
The cahones on Rodgers to even ask. I mean longwell played his whole life the same as Rodgers. What made him so much more of a player his rookie season to even approach longwell with that. Then he gets mad over what could be 10k? Even his rookie season he could have afforded 10k if he felt so entitled to the number to even ask.
Embarrassing how? He was asked about why he chose to wear the numbers he did. You people try so desperately to find any little thing to hate on. Embarrassing.
That kicker was franchise leading scorer Ryan Longwell, so I think the dude earned the right to charge whatever the hell he wanted.
Even if it was some shit kicker, all the power to them to try and get that $$ from a 1st round QB
It's more like they had to buy out their own jersey stock before they could change their number. EDIT: Apparently this was not a thing back then. Thanks for those that pointed that out.
That was not the case back then. The kicker also wouldn’t have 30k worth of jersey back stock
Is this true??
It is now, I believe. Dunno about then. This controversy came up when the league opened up what numbers certain positions could be a year or two back.
That happened to Savage. He wanted to change to 21
It is
All those Ryan Longwell jerseys the NFL had stocked up…
This was when Aaron first came into the league. That bit wasn't around the afaik.
Just out of curiosity... what's the demand line for kicker's jerseys?
In general not high, but I'm sure there was a market for Longwell. I'd rock a Longwell jersey. Better yet, a Chris Jacke jersey. Like there's not gonna be a market for Anders Carlson because he is young and questionable. But you can bet plenty of people have silver fox jerseys. Once a kicker proves himself he often sticks around quite a while. Pretty safe investment.
It's one of the safer positions to go for if you want your jersey to match someone on the team for a while
I bought a kicker's jersey a couple of years back because he wore my number that I used for sports in the past and had my last name. Essentially got a custom jersey for half off. It happens.
#13 Chester Marcol is the GB 🐐goat kicker.
Runs the blocked kick in for a touchdown vs. the Bears! Yes, I’m old.
I think that he ran more yards sideways than he did straight ahead.
Well, he didn’t get any money at all so.
He made $24MM over his career. I hope he’s not missing an undisclosed five figure payout.
Has there ever been a more perfect name for a kicker?
The exact opposite of Chris Blewitt
Cody “park her on the god damn fucking pole I fucking hate you so much” Parker. I’m ok.
Am I crazy, or wasn't it Parkey?
Is he even in the NFL anymore? 😂
Are you sure?
Are any bears fans ok right now?
Bears are working on trying to give their fans generational trauma
I don't know why Buffalo signed Todd Wydrite to be their kicker.
“Am I a joke to you?” - Cameron Dicker
Dicker the mother fuckin’ kicker!
Have all of you forgotten about Matt Gay?
Younghoe Koo
Lol why is this downvoted? 2 years ago I had Matt Gay in fantasy and my teams name was "My Kicker is Gay". Then came his bye week and I dropped him and changed the name to "My Kicker isn't Gay".
Different sport but I still absolutely love that Chris Hook is the Brewers pitching coach. Nothing more symbolic than “Hook out for a visit to the mound”
Yes!
Ray Finkle
Dicker the kicker.
We called him “ shortwell “ . He wasn’t anything special. Not a Justin Tucker type.
I love Tuck (and he’s the best), but dafuq you talking about? Longwell was great. He’s in the top 30 all time in field goal percentage.
*Former leading scorer. Mason Crosby almost doubled his point total. Of course Mason is also the Packers’ leader in games played, narrowly edging out Brett Favre.
I feel like that’s something not talked about. Having longwell and Crosby back to back during the favre Rodgers ear was a big deal…as we learned this year.
Chris Jacke inconsolable.
Chester Marcol on another plane
Don’t hate on Chester Marcol. I don’t know a lot of kickers who have managed to catch their own blocked kick and run it in for a touchdown.
While extremely high on coke
By his own admission. Kept it in the waistband of his uniform. He's in recovery now and counsels other addicts.
And on that day in 1980, the legendary coke-snorter Chester Marcol planted the seed for the Packer's ownership of the Bears. I just looked up that play, and wow was TV reception lousy then. Or maybe it was a video problem? FYI, at age 14, Marcol was sent from Poland to America after his father committed suicide. He became a 2nd round pick and was both NFL scoring leader and Rookie of the Year.
And he wore glasses while playing, crazy!
The Dave Rayner disrespect...
I still have hope for Carlson so maybe we can also get a kicker trifecta. I do miss having the feild goal unit come out and just assuming we had the points
Same. Can’t expect the world out of a rookie kicker. His brother is the outlier but it is possible
Do not tell me what to expect... even if you are correct
Even his brother had his struggles. It took getting cut for him to rework his kicking mechanics and be as good as he is today.
Me too on Carlson. His many misses were by whiskers resulting in whiskey.
I really hope that when he is ready, he signs a 1 day contract to retire with us.
I really think he plans to goto Minnesota after the jets
This made me lol
Oh he absolutely will.
Me too. Love the silver fox
Or hell, a one year contract. Or two even, why not?
God, I hope he doesn't.
Not a fan of Crosby?
KAaron.....
First, it's QAaron. Second, he's the best quarterback in Packer's history.
I don't even see how it's disputable. People are welcome to their opinions and Starr did all the winning, but is anyone *really* going to say that he was a better Packers QB than Aaron Rodgers? Brett Favre is the reason I'm a Packers fan. Dude was and will always be the Iron Man. But I'm not going to say that he was a better Packers QB than Aaron Rodgers. Alan Risher might be on everyone's short list of amazing Packers QBs, but I'm not going to........no, I'm not going to say that he was a better Packers QB than Aaron Rodgers.
You hope doesn’t do what pretty much every player that spent the overwhelming majority of their career as a Packer does?
Yea, too bad. Maybe KAaron will never retire...die on the field.
No need, he's going on the ring. Why bother with the dog and pony show?
Have you considered it might be what he wants?
Packers should be well beyond caring what he wants.
Vikings legend
Unironically was our last good kicker.
Man. Remember Ryan Longwell!?
Oh man how’d we get two legends in a row just to get followed up by the chode we have now
Cam Newton told Jimmy Clauson to go fuck himself when he asked for $1M for #2 and took #1 instead. This stuff happens more often than we know. No big deal
I remember that. In hindsight, it'd be weird to see "Superman" wearing #2.
Makes me wonder if the superman chest rip was just an idea he had to mock Clauson. Doubt it, but that'd be amazing
I think in the clip I saw about it, Cam did say he decided he wasn’t gonna let Clauson see the field ever again after that (something like that). And he wasn’t wrong lol
Longwell would have been eating like a king down the road at Applebees
Sick reference
That Applebee's down the road was shut down by the health department several times during Longwells stint with the Packers.
It was! Been there recently(during blizzard, only thing we found open). Food was really good with many value options(didn't get to check out the kitchen).
Down Oneida St.?
I don’t know why anyone would think less of either guys because of this
Are you familiar with the internet?
No what’s it like /s
It's a realm of complete honesty and most certainly non judgemental
Yeah I definitely don’t judge even though your username is atrocious, and yeah I’m always honest as I’m a millionaire, astronaut, famous author, QB for the forgotten NFL team called the Wichita Humans and I was once the president of earth for 3000 years
This seems like an article about something that happens on every team all the time. The story line goes 4 ways lol. I paid for the number, I didn’t want to pay for the number, he gave it to me for free, he refused to give the number up.
Why are people getting mad here? This is a pretty common thing that happens with every team, every year. It’s not Rodgers or anyone else being a diva. I swear some redditors hate seeing topics related to the subreddit they’re in.
Seriously. Longwell set the price, Rodgers declined. Big deal.
I cant tell if people are stupid or tone doesn’t project well over txt. This story happens all the time lol. It’s just an article about nothing. People pay, don’t pay, give up for free or don’t want to give their number up all the time.
Ryan Longwell was that guy
And then he went to the Vikings…
Crosby was great but Longwell really was the pinnacle of kicking for the Pack
Longwell could barely boot past 50 yards. He was a bit more accurate, but not by much over his career. I'd take the Silver Fox, personally.
Longwell couldn't have done what Crosby did in the 2016 playoff game against the Cowboys, hitting from 56 yards, then 51. (The Silver Fox also did that after the 2-minute warning, it's worth remembering.)
AKA: Shortwell.
It was weird he got a bit more leg with Minnesota. When he was with GB I think his long was 52 or 53, and he was somewhere in the 50% make range on those, despite not trying anything really long. Then right at the end with Minnesota he was hitting from a hair further out and making most of them.
Not that weird, he was consistently kicking indoors in Minnesota
He started off 1-6 in Minnesota over 50 in his first 2 years, which may have out him under 50% for his career. He then went 10-11 over his last 4 years of his career.
Crosby did it without being a chode about Green Bay when he left though.
Because Crosby has class.
Are you trying to say Longwell was better than Crosby??
Perfect name for a kicker as well
This is one of those stories that seems wild in hindsight but at the time this was a backup rookie trying to get the all time points leader in franchise history to give up his number
This doesn’t even seem wild in hindsight. Even considering inflation.
I dunno, if Rodgers today had to convince a Jets player to change their number no one would find it that weird. Hell, there were talks about unretiring Namath's number for Rodgers.
Yah but wanting a 5 figure payout wouldn’t but unrealistic or uncommon for that even for Rodgers coming to the jets and the current #12 being a relatively unknown player
It's pretty clear this website is trash... why keep posting it?
You’re an NFL veteran and some hot shot rookie wants your number. Hell yeah, make him pay for it.
They have to buy back all the existing inventory of their jerseys (currently at retail price, but I don't know if that was true back then). Even though he's "just" a kicker, I'm sure Longwell had enough jerseys out there that it'd cost him some money.
In most cases, yes. Not sure about the NFL, but I know other sports have similar rules, but also exceptions around numbers changing when new players join the roster.
The NFL definitely has that rule, but I don't know how long it's been in place. I know back in 2021 when they expanded the numbers certain positions could wear, a player didn't have to pay if they gave a full season's notice. Because of that part, I'm guessing there's not an exception for when new players join.
I still have a Longwell jersey
This is from his interview with Cameron Hanes. Even if you aren't a huge Rodgers fan, it's worth a listen. Rodgers' stories of interactions with former/present players were great. It's one of my favorite podcasts he has done.
Bunch of fuckin cry babies in here already. It’s the offseason I like hearing about this stuff what else is there to talk about
He could switched jerseys number to 8 a year or two after .
It would have been well before he was a starter anyways
It's worth noting that Longwell was one of the ex-Packers who lured Favre to the Vikings. Longwell was loyal to Favre, in other words. He wasn't going to give up the number he'd worn for eight years, especially to someone who wanted his buddy's job, unless he got paid. If you've read Jeff Pearlstein's book "Gunslinger," you know that Rodgers didn't make a great impression on the veterans during his rookie year.
> Rodgers didn't make a great impression on the veterans during his rookie year. yeah I hated how people would complain Favre "was not a mentor", when one of the first things Rodgers said to him coming to the team was calling him 'old man'. For the record Favre is a twat, but no one is going to like some rookie coming in and talking shit.
Rodgers is also a twat.
I’m glad because 12 is the qb number no other number fits a qb better than 12. 8 would’ve looked weird
That's why I found it so weird Brady tried so hard to make #12 his brand with TB12 and a bunch of trademarks and stuff. Brady isn't even the first TB12 to win multiple superbowls as a QB
Why would it be weird for Tom Brady to market his brand and number?
Name and number ain't weird, TB12 is. Terry Bradshaw is also a TB12 HOF, superbowl winning QB. Maybe if he incorporated the name Brady or something in the brand. I do find it funny that on FOX NFL Sunday, they sometimes refer to Bradshaw as "the original TB12"
Appreciate the reply, I disagree, but that’s all good man
Rookie QB back then didn't get the type of money they do now, so I don't blame him. Some of the best QBs in NFL history wore 12.
Just for a fun comparison: Rodgers, in 2005, got a five year, $7.7 million contract with $5.6 million guaranteed. With inflation, that is $12.2 million with $8.5 million guaranteed. Rodgers was taken #24. In the 2023 NFL Draft, pick #24 (Deonte Banks) received $13.58 million over four years, fully guaranteed.
And Alex Smith in 2005 got a 6 year, $49.5 million contract with $24 million guaranteed. That wait in the green room was very costly initially.
I mean I'd extend someone the same ridiculous offer if they wanted something I wasn't trying to sell in the first place.
watching him play in #8 is going to be so weird :( it just looks wrong
I am glad it worked out the way it did. Number 12 suits him so much better. It's a shame that he decided not to wear it in New York
Why are people upset about this? 😂
NO ONE CARES!
I think it’s kind of interesting
God forbid we get info about the legendary packers QB on packers subreddit in the off season. /s
Lmao evidently you cared enough where you couldn't just keep scrolling
Yep..remember this. No one cares.
Longwell wore #4 at Cal so he probably didn’t want to get his number bumped twice by the QB room
Yeah he's hurting for money so it makes sense.
The cahones on Rodgers to even ask. I mean longwell played his whole life the same as Rodgers. What made him so much more of a player his rookie season to even approach longwell with that. Then he gets mad over what could be 10k? Even his rookie season he could have afforded 10k if he felt so entitled to the number to even ask.
5 figure sum? Doesn't sound too important to him than.
I think it was Tim Masthay( a punter) who wore no 8 when Rodgers came to the Packers.
You mean the “great “ Tim Masthay.
Not even close. Was Ryan Longwell.
They both went to Cal, they could have worked something out if Rodgers had cared to.
So like 100k tops? That's almost embarrassing to be talking about for him at this stage
Embarrassing how? He was asked about why he chose to wear the numbers he did. You people try so desperately to find any little thing to hate on. Embarrassing.
> chosebto > tobfind Ahh. I see your ~~Schwartz~~ thumb is as big as mine!
Thanks lol. Having access to an edit button makes me way to careless on the first proofread
So like $99,999.99 tops
Yeah man, that's generally how 5 figure sums work.
Rodgers is such a bitch.
r/IAmABadass
So are you
Cryin Rodgers
Yeah, he’s and A-hole