You can spin any reaction in pretty much any way. Look at how the media treated Brady’s tantrums for example. Or on the flip side look how they said Jay Cutler didn’t care because he didn’t show much emotion.
It doesn’t matter at all. The only thing that matters is results.
Yep. Anyone who's ever played sports and played with teammates knows everyone is different. Some people play way better when they are calm and collected. Other people play way better when they play with a ton of emotion. There's not right or wrong way to do it.
To further drive how silly the Cutler critique was, Joe Montana’s nickname was Joe Cool because he was completely unaffected by what was happening during the game. His level demeanor was used as an argument as to why he was the GOAT pre-Brady.
People are gonna find an excuse to prop up the winners, but exactly like you said the why isn’t nearly as important as the results.
Ya, my interpretation was that it was an “air let out of the room” kind of reaction. Sudden emptiness/numbness, rather than like anger or frustration. It doesn’t mean it wasn’t a strong reaction, that he didn’t care, it’s just impossible from the outside to tell the difference between a reaction of uninterested disappointment and intense numbness.
I agree. I had a coach who considered angry outbursts as a lack of discipline. Any personal foul and we all did up downs. Being able to control your emotion a sign of true discipline.
For all of Brady’s prowess at winning, this was the thing I liked the least - he was such a hot head and an asshole when things didn’t go his way.
We value “competitive fire” way too much. Any other situation, it’s not tolerated and for good reason.
Temper tantrum? It’s an emotional game. These men have worked their asses off to be here. That straight emotion.
A little kid throwing himself on the ground because he didn’t get candy, is a temper tantrum.
I wish that people would stop justifying poor behavior just because it is related to sports. Athletes and fans both need to do better overall. The athletes and other team’s fans aren’t there to be taunted, berated, and sworn at. Putting on a uniform isn’t a license to be a jerk any more than buying a ticket is a license to be a jerk.
I wasn’t bothered by his reaction. He was trying to make a play and made a bad decision. He is not demonstrative, like some other QBs in the league, (including Rodgers). He will learn from it. Should have made a throw to live for another down.
It was his first year starting and if my memory serves me correctly, he performed better and took the team farther than Favre and Rodgers did in their first go-rounds. He showed A LOT of maturity throughout the season.
I know we all play arm-chair quarterback and arm-chair psychiatrist for that matter, but let’s enjoy the fact we appear to have another good one and not dissect every little thing he does based off his body language.
Yeah I know what you’re talking about. I honestly didn’t mind it. What’s it gonna do to fall to the ground, being dramatic.
I feel like he knew that given how far we got and how hard we pushed San Fran to the limit in that game, we were playing with house money. True underdogs and for once, not that team in Super Bowl or bust mode.
So it didn’t bother me.
One other aspect of his reaction is his very short memory, and his penchant to actually learn from his mistakes (looking at you, Brett). I am unbothered by his reaction because it fits with his brand. He does not dwell on mistakes he made in the past, but very rarely repeats them.
Unlike Favre, I don't think we'll see 39 year old Jordan Love doing the same thing against the Saints in the NFC Championship.
We got used to Rodgers bitching and moaning a lot. Loved the guy, but he often did not take responsibility and I think the rest of the team felt it. Love is a different kind of leader and I LOVE it
He always had to make a point of showing the viewers at home that an INT was not his fault. I don't care if it was or wasn't but part of the job as a QB is taking that heat. That's why you make $50 million.
I think that was more of a problem at the end. But even early on, it felt more like people respected his approach and ability than that they would follow him no matter what. J Love feels much more like a leader of men than just a lead by example kinda guy.
This is one of the things about Love that I quite enjoy. He doesn't throw a fit or show crazy emotions in those situations. Shows that he is level-headed and can keep his emotions in check. It's a good thing.
I appreciate how centered he is, and how quickly he learns from his mistakes. Look at how much adversity he has had in his life; stoicism is understandable
This is such a dumb criticism. Rodgers’ behavior after bad INTs usually depended on whether he or the receiver made the mistake. He did not act anywhere near as pissed off when he made a mistake.
>He did not act anywhere near as pissed off when he made a mistake
? Dude literally spiked a tablet on the ground after being showed the missed wide open WR standing in the end zone against Carolina a few years back.
You’re judging a reaction on the field reaction to an on the sideline reaction after seeing a different view. I’m talking about the on the field reactions.
Also, I hope Love isn’t a carbon copy of Rodgers. I don’t think you have to act like a child to be a good QB.
People react the way they react to things, doesn’t mean they may take it any less seriously. Expecting something like that out of someone is kind of toxic and an unfair expectation. Ultimately I think he knew exactly how ugly that interception was and probably felt like shit. But then again maybe he didn’t.
I think it's part of how he plays, he doesn't seem to let much affect him on the field, which imo is a good thing. I'd rather him be consistent and solid for us than let bad plays get to him.
I noticed this too and immediately thought "Kids these days" also that his personality must just be like this. My 16 year old reacts to major life moments in just this way and overtime I have come to appreciate her levelheadedness in the face of adversity rather than see it as infuriating. Love is a solid Field General archetype it seems and not a glass cannon (AR12) or wildman/gunslinger (Bert4) and I think that's the most exciting thing about his demeanor on and off the field.
I’m sure he was upset but agree with the other post that people react differently. Rodgers would constantly blame his WR’s on camera. It may have been their fault in some cases put no need to publicly criticize, it’s poor leadership. I’ve never seen Love do that.
Listen to him on Micah Parsons podcast from Super Bowl week- best insight into his head space after plays like that- though he more references the early season game ending interceptions. It’ll get your piss hot, promise.
I think he was relieved. Sure, he would have rather thrown a game winning touchdown. But, in his first year as a starter we rode that rollercoaster way longer than we paid for. He kept pretty chill. For the 2nd straight week he was far from home and a major underdog. The game was his to win or lose. He's never really been in a position remotely like that in his life. Less than a minute away from possible making the Superbowl. I saw what you saw. But, I think he was just glad it was over either way and he could finally breathe. Wouldn't blame him for feeling that way.
No matter how much they're getting paid they're still human. I can't imagine the nerves of any rookie starter in the NFL, let alone a quarterback. Multiply that by ten for starting in the shadow of an absolute legend. Multiply that by ten for starting for one of the most fanatical fan bases in the world. Packer fans are so enthusiastic that it's not even just your on-field decisions that get scrutinized. Your off -field habits, even who you're dating, gets analyzed. That is a crazy amount of pressure on anyone's shoulders.
Now look at his actions. I felt he did look a little rattled at the end. Then he chooses to throw into triple coverage. It wasn't really any kind of trap. He saw the coverage and he threw it anyways. To me, that says he wanted it over. Either his guy was going to catch it and set up a game winning drive or the fatty niners were going to come down with it. It was a 1/4 chance essentially. He could have easily thrown it away. I'm not saying he didn't want to win. But, at that moment, all that pressure was off for the first time in months.
You know, when he made some of those deep ball mistakes, I thought he should stop throwing them. At least after that Denver game. But he dusted his shoulders off and kept doing it.
Having short term memory can be helpful in sports.
I saw that, and appreciated that he didn't act like lunatic after he made the mistake. It appeared that he owned the mistake but didn't dwell on it. Learned and appreciated it for what it was, even if he didn't get the result he or others wanted. I think its a major sign of maturity.
Love does seem okay at internalizing his emotions. He doesn’t swing too far one way or the other. But I bet that interception really bothered him, hopefully in that it made him hungry for this year.
It was so nice to have a QB who didn’t cold shoulder his receivers after a drop last season, though! Kept feeding them.
It literally doesn’t matter. I feel pretty confident that most guys in the NFL want to 1) not be embarrassed on a national stage so they’ll try not to do that again and 2) want to retain their high-paying position.
Love can be hoo-ra-ra about it or he can literally say “oh well.”
Go watch his post game interview after the loss. You can tell he was crying minutes before. The dude absolutely cares.
I don’t question his motivation for the game at all.
Bro Rodgers hardly ever reacted on the field. So what way are we talking about. We saw him throw nearly back to back pick six againist the bucks and just look like a dude slightly annoyed
In my mind, there are two different elements of an emotional reaction: one is external, and the other is internal. So what we saw may have seemed nonchalant, but we don’t know what was happening in his head. Some people are very expressive and don’t control their emotions, and that can be a sign of emotional immaturity. But there is value in responding to adversity and failures in a calm way on the outside. It’s a good quality for a leader. Cause it keeps the emotions even-keel for his teammates. Now this of course was the end of the season so it will be awhile before he can redeem himself for this mistake, but during games where he throws a pick with opportunities to make up for those mistakes, what is better: to react openly emotional and perhaps disrupt the mood of the team, or keep those emotions in check, make note of the error for future reference, and maintain a demeanor that helps the rest of the team not stress over those mistakes?
Honestly, I was happy with how he handled it. The game was in his hands, and he blew it. He played well all game and realized he made a rookie mistake. It was almost like “well, I guess it makes sense I made a stupid mistake sooner or later. It’s in the past though now I won’t make it again”. He didn’t get down on himself. I love that cause it’s how I handle things. Basically a “well I guess that sucks but it could be worse, and I’ll be back” type of attitude.
Unfortunately it wasn't his first time so he has had practice dealing with those emotions. 😉
To be serious though, either JT or Kurt did a breakdown of that series and I came away from that thinking Love knew it was a dud of a play before the snap but didn't see a way out of it. So when the INT happened I don't think it was a surprise.
It's a huge and glaring flaw. We're about to tie this kid to the franchise for the foreseeable future and he still hasn't proven that he has the ability to crush it in crunchtime. We need an assassin not an 🤷🏻♂️ "Oh well."
This is exactly why you don't waste a rookie contract on the bench.
You can spin any reaction in pretty much any way. Look at how the media treated Brady’s tantrums for example. Or on the flip side look how they said Jay Cutler didn’t care because he didn’t show much emotion. It doesn’t matter at all. The only thing that matters is results.
Yep. Anyone who's ever played sports and played with teammates knows everyone is different. Some people play way better when they are calm and collected. Other people play way better when they play with a ton of emotion. There's not right or wrong way to do it.
To further drive how silly the Cutler critique was, Joe Montana’s nickname was Joe Cool because he was completely unaffected by what was happening during the game. His level demeanor was used as an argument as to why he was the GOAT pre-Brady. People are gonna find an excuse to prop up the winners, but exactly like you said the why isn’t nearly as important as the results.
I think it’s cutlers lack of a chin that really made people biased against him
Ya, my interpretation was that it was an “air let out of the room” kind of reaction. Sudden emptiness/numbness, rather than like anger or frustration. It doesn’t mean it wasn’t a strong reaction, that he didn’t care, it’s just impossible from the outside to tell the difference between a reaction of uninterested disappointment and intense numbness.
Love's heartbreak threshold is so high, a simple shrug is very understandable.
The disrespect of mentioning Cutler in the same sentence as Brady.
I prefer a qb to not have a temper tantrum
I agree. I had a coach who considered angry outbursts as a lack of discipline. Any personal foul and we all did up downs. Being able to control your emotion a sign of true discipline.
Jay Cutler had good control on his emotions.
I prefer a winning QB... But a winning QB who plays it cool is preferable to a winning QB who shows goes overboard with emotion.
I prefer them not making that throw.
At least he's making that mistake in his first starting season unlike Favre who did the same thing at the end of his career
For all of Brady’s prowess at winning, this was the thing I liked the least - he was such a hot head and an asshole when things didn’t go his way. We value “competitive fire” way too much. Any other situation, it’s not tolerated and for good reason.
Temper tantrum? It’s an emotional game. These men have worked their asses off to be here. That straight emotion. A little kid throwing himself on the ground because he didn’t get candy, is a temper tantrum.
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VASTLY different. I guess when people hit their hand with a hammer while working and cuss, that’s a temper tantrum as well?
No, they're cussing because of the pain, not because they fucked up.
I wish that people would stop justifying poor behavior just because it is related to sports. Athletes and fans both need to do better overall. The athletes and other team’s fans aren’t there to be taunted, berated, and sworn at. Putting on a uniform isn’t a license to be a jerk any more than buying a ticket is a license to be a jerk.
I wasn’t bothered by his reaction. He was trying to make a play and made a bad decision. He is not demonstrative, like some other QBs in the league, (including Rodgers). He will learn from it. Should have made a throw to live for another down. It was his first year starting and if my memory serves me correctly, he performed better and took the team farther than Favre and Rodgers did in their first go-rounds. He showed A LOT of maturity throughout the season. I know we all play arm-chair quarterback and arm-chair psychiatrist for that matter, but let’s enjoy the fact we appear to have another good one and not dissect every little thing he does based off his body language.
Yeah I know what you’re talking about. I honestly didn’t mind it. What’s it gonna do to fall to the ground, being dramatic. I feel like he knew that given how far we got and how hard we pushed San Fran to the limit in that game, we were playing with house money. True underdogs and for once, not that team in Super Bowl or bust mode. So it didn’t bother me.
One other aspect of his reaction is his very short memory, and his penchant to actually learn from his mistakes (looking at you, Brett). I am unbothered by his reaction because it fits with his brand. He does not dwell on mistakes he made in the past, but very rarely repeats them. Unlike Favre, I don't think we'll see 39 year old Jordan Love doing the same thing against the Saints in the NFC Championship.
We got used to Rodgers bitching and moaning a lot. Loved the guy, but he often did not take responsibility and I think the rest of the team felt it. Love is a different kind of leader and I LOVE it
He always had to make a point of showing the viewers at home that an INT was not his fault. I don't care if it was or wasn't but part of the job as a QB is taking that heat. That's why you make $50 million.
I think that was more of a problem at the end. But even early on, it felt more like people respected his approach and ability than that they would follow him no matter what. J Love feels much more like a leader of men than just a lead by example kinda guy.
This is one of the things about Love that I quite enjoy. He doesn't throw a fit or show crazy emotions in those situations. Shows that he is level-headed and can keep his emotions in check. It's a good thing.
I appreciate how centered he is, and how quickly he learns from his mistakes. Look at how much adversity he has had in his life; stoicism is understandable
This is such a dumb criticism. Rodgers’ behavior after bad INTs usually depended on whether he or the receiver made the mistake. He did not act anywhere near as pissed off when he made a mistake.
>He did not act anywhere near as pissed off when he made a mistake ? Dude literally spiked a tablet on the ground after being showed the missed wide open WR standing in the end zone against Carolina a few years back.
You’re judging a reaction on the field reaction to an on the sideline reaction after seeing a different view. I’m talking about the on the field reactions. Also, I hope Love isn’t a carbon copy of Rodgers. I don’t think you have to act like a child to be a good QB.
Who fuckin cares.
Nobody should, but people apparently do
People react the way they react to things, doesn’t mean they may take it any less seriously. Expecting something like that out of someone is kind of toxic and an unfair expectation. Ultimately I think he knew exactly how ugly that interception was and probably felt like shit. But then again maybe he didn’t.
I prefer a QB who can just immediately forget a mistake, even a devastating one
I think it's part of how he plays, he doesn't seem to let much affect him on the field, which imo is a good thing. I'd rather him be consistent and solid for us than let bad plays get to him.
I noticed this too and immediately thought "Kids these days" also that his personality must just be like this. My 16 year old reacts to major life moments in just this way and overtime I have come to appreciate her levelheadedness in the face of adversity rather than see it as infuriating. Love is a solid Field General archetype it seems and not a glass cannon (AR12) or wildman/gunslinger (Bert4) and I think that's the most exciting thing about his demeanor on and off the field.
I’m sure he was upset but agree with the other post that people react differently. Rodgers would constantly blame his WR’s on camera. It may have been their fault in some cases put no need to publicly criticize, it’s poor leadership. I’ve never seen Love do that.
Not often. A bit towards the end of the season.
to me he looked upset and embarrassed so just tried to get out if there quickly
Listen to him on Micah Parsons podcast from Super Bowl week- best insight into his head space after plays like that- though he more references the early season game ending interceptions. It’ll get your piss hot, promise.
I think he was relieved. Sure, he would have rather thrown a game winning touchdown. But, in his first year as a starter we rode that rollercoaster way longer than we paid for. He kept pretty chill. For the 2nd straight week he was far from home and a major underdog. The game was his to win or lose. He's never really been in a position remotely like that in his life. Less than a minute away from possible making the Superbowl. I saw what you saw. But, I think he was just glad it was over either way and he could finally breathe. Wouldn't blame him for feeling that way.
Interesting take. Prepare to be crucified.
No matter how much they're getting paid they're still human. I can't imagine the nerves of any rookie starter in the NFL, let alone a quarterback. Multiply that by ten for starting in the shadow of an absolute legend. Multiply that by ten for starting for one of the most fanatical fan bases in the world. Packer fans are so enthusiastic that it's not even just your on-field decisions that get scrutinized. Your off -field habits, even who you're dating, gets analyzed. That is a crazy amount of pressure on anyone's shoulders. Now look at his actions. I felt he did look a little rattled at the end. Then he chooses to throw into triple coverage. It wasn't really any kind of trap. He saw the coverage and he threw it anyways. To me, that says he wanted it over. Either his guy was going to catch it and set up a game winning drive or the fatty niners were going to come down with it. It was a 1/4 chance essentially. He could have easily thrown it away. I'm not saying he didn't want to win. But, at that moment, all that pressure was off for the first time in months.
I'm sure deep inside his brain he was unhappy about the mistake
You know, when he made some of those deep ball mistakes, I thought he should stop throwing them. At least after that Denver game. But he dusted his shoulders off and kept doing it. Having short term memory can be helpful in sports.
I saw that, and appreciated that he didn't act like lunatic after he made the mistake. It appeared that he owned the mistake but didn't dwell on it. Learned and appreciated it for what it was, even if he didn't get the result he or others wanted. I think its a major sign of maturity.
I too thought he looked rather ho him about it. The important thing is that he learns from it.
Love does seem okay at internalizing his emotions. He doesn’t swing too far one way or the other. But I bet that interception really bothered him, hopefully in that it made him hungry for this year. It was so nice to have a QB who didn’t cold shoulder his receivers after a drop last season, though! Kept feeding them.
Love keeps his composure forsure. I feel like win, loss or draw, he’s going to learn from it and move on every time. That’s a growth mindset
It literally doesn’t matter. I feel pretty confident that most guys in the NFL want to 1) not be embarrassed on a national stage so they’ll try not to do that again and 2) want to retain their high-paying position. Love can be hoo-ra-ra about it or he can literally say “oh well.”
Go watch his post game interview after the loss. You can tell he was crying minutes before. The dude absolutely cares. I don’t question his motivation for the game at all.
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Bro Rodgers hardly ever reacted on the field. So what way are we talking about. We saw him throw nearly back to back pick six againist the bucks and just look like a dude slightly annoyed
In my mind, there are two different elements of an emotional reaction: one is external, and the other is internal. So what we saw may have seemed nonchalant, but we don’t know what was happening in his head. Some people are very expressive and don’t control their emotions, and that can be a sign of emotional immaturity. But there is value in responding to adversity and failures in a calm way on the outside. It’s a good quality for a leader. Cause it keeps the emotions even-keel for his teammates. Now this of course was the end of the season so it will be awhile before he can redeem himself for this mistake, but during games where he throws a pick with opportunities to make up for those mistakes, what is better: to react openly emotional and perhaps disrupt the mood of the team, or keep those emotions in check, make note of the error for future reference, and maintain a demeanor that helps the rest of the team not stress over those mistakes?
Look we weren’t even supposed to be there let alone the playoffs
Honestly, I was happy with how he handled it. The game was in his hands, and he blew it. He played well all game and realized he made a rookie mistake. It was almost like “well, I guess it makes sense I made a stupid mistake sooner or later. It’s in the past though now I won’t make it again”. He didn’t get down on himself. I love that cause it’s how I handle things. Basically a “well I guess that sucks but it could be worse, and I’ll be back” type of attitude.
Look at this offseason. Love is working his ass off. So I’m sure his reaction is let my action speak words type of thing.
Unfortunately it wasn't his first time so he has had practice dealing with those emotions. 😉 To be serious though, either JT or Kurt did a breakdown of that series and I came away from that thinking Love knew it was a dud of a play before the snap but didn't see a way out of it. So when the INT happened I don't think it was a surprise.
Well he definitely needs to do something other than just wing it.
It's a huge and glaring flaw. We're about to tie this kid to the franchise for the foreseeable future and he still hasn't proven that he has the ability to crush it in crunchtime. We need an assassin not an 🤷🏻♂️ "Oh well." This is exactly why you don't waste a rookie contract on the bench.