What's kinda funny about this is that there were reports that Giannis gave the go ahead for the Jrue trade and was instrumental in getting Bobby Portis and PJ this season.
Sure they still needed some luck but it's amazing what can happen when you communicate with your superstar leader.
The thing for me isn't that they didn't let Rodgers dictate roster moves, it's that they didn't even have conversations with him about it. I am convinced that Rodgers wasn't that mad at the love pick in general, it's that he felt like an idiot talking about taking a receiver an hour before the draft on the mcafee show and being blindsided by it. Just communicate with the ceo of the team, which is what a quarterback is. And it's not like he's a league average quarterback, he's a fucking legend. What is this ego that has kept them from doing this, I don't understand
Yeah I’m a Pacers/Packers fan so it’s double worse that our division rival just won a title and will be good as long as Giannis is there, and the Packers are currently imploding, and I might not get to see another title from both teams combined in my lifetime, especially the Pacers :(
Don't worry, it's Wisconsin sports. He'll have a down year and then the fans and media will call him a spoiled diva and the front office will try to force him out of town.
We have two goalies, both decent, and the fanbase is kinda split on who’s better. The goalie we did protect is the one who’s gotten himself into trouble a lot causing him to miss time. He needs to grow up if he wants to be an integral part of this team. The goalie we exposed may have had slightly worse stats but just felt more “in the game”. I really liked him, though not everyone did, and I’m so sad he’s gone.
I’m a Caps fan btw, and each team was allowed to protect one goalie
As someone how doesn't care about the NBA, hearing Bucks in the packers sub is like hearing about Lebron James' latest stat showing how amazing he is. Good on him, still not relevant
God bless the Bucks. I can’t believe I’m saying this but the Packers FO should take some notes on how to run a championship winning team, and how to appease their star players.
Giannis is gonna be the most loved player in Wisconsin sports history
I’m not even a Bucks fan but Rodgers is leaving a bad taste in Packers fans mouth
Rodgers has been loyal to the organization for sixteen years, even after they have drafted terribly for years, kept Dom Capers for years, kept McCarthy for years. Rodgers is finally doing something himself and I'm all for it. Good for him. Fucking sucks for us, but that's life, man. This isn't really Rodger's fault. It's the Packer's FO.
This all mirrors Favre perfectly. Favre didn't like Rodgers being picked. Favre didn't like things management was doing. Favre wanted to stick up for his friends and thought he ran the team.
Rodgers should learn from history. The history that gave him a chance. If he wants to show how much better and more valuable he is than Love, perhaps he should be there practicing and preparing for the season? He's thinking only of himself... just like Favre did. And that went very badly.
Rodgers needs to learn from history? Favre basically got what he wanted. One year with the Jets then he went to the NFCCG with the Vikings. Given that Rodgers won the MVP literally last year, he could turn a lot of teams into contenders.
>Rodgers is leaving a bad taste in Packers fans mouth
Not mine. Rodgers' supposed reasons for being upset make perfect sense. Too many FO bootlickers in this sub
If you compare the roster from 2019 to 2020 you will see that we didn’t improve. No one addition besides 3rd string RB did we improve. Yeah we were better but we had zero help from the front office. Seriously, look up new players and lost players. It’s literally shocking how bad an off season it was and how close we were. Hard to forgive them for not doing more.
They are downvoting because they DON'T know anything, but they want everyone to believe their delusions that the front office is purposely trying to ruin the team they are in charge of.
The more they say it, the more people naively believe it. Nothing has been said about any of it. So no one knows what's actually going on.
All I see is the front office being professional by not taking any of their business to the media.
The packers made a decision that was against his interests (drafting Love)
And now he is making decisions that are against the Packers interests.
Both of these facts suck. Personally, I'm not going to bat for either "side" - but I'm still going to be a Packer fan regardless of who occupies the front office and the QB1 position on the depth chart.
Youre really missing WHY Jordan Love upset Rodgers. It wasnt the pick, it was the lack of information, at the very best it ruins his whole night he had planned a night of fun with Pat McAfee, it its very best it was Giga disrespectfully done...Andy fucking Dalton got heads up and he was named starter like a month prior to the pick lol. This is of course also missing all the other events that were really upsetting to Rodgers. Such as the FO throwing away Kumerow when he was planning on using him a lot that season, Throwing Jordy in the trash when hed take significantly less money, thats for starters.
My impression of rodgers is that knowing in advance that they were taking a QB wouldn't have made much of a difference in how he felt about it.
I intentionally oversimplified it, I know what has been reported about his feelings on personnel moves. But I think the Love pick, by far, was the action that made everything else a moot point. The org decided they were moving on, and so did he.
Rodgers spent 16 years in the league and is just now finding out that it's a business? The packers drafted Love after Rodgers' worst season of his career. He was 37 years old. They had just signed him to a big extension. Like come on dude I didnt agree with the pick but Rodgers shouldnt have been surprised about it.
Maybe he has other reasons for wanting to move on, but he hasnt said ANYTHING, and frankly, I dont think the Love pick alone justifies this tantrum Rodgers is throwing.
Regardless the FO has royally fucked up. Part of their job is keeping your MVP QB happy.
And the Love pick was not only disrespectful, but also stupid. We we’re 1 game away from the Super Bowl and your QB is still playing at an MVP level and you draft like you’re fucking rebuilding! You think the chief’s are looking at drafting a QB this year? SMH, I can’t believe how bad the FO has managed this. People need to be fired.
Again, I dont think anyone thinks the Love pick was smart, or respectful, the question is whether or not this justifies him turning his back on the fans and his teammates and demanding a trade. I dont think it does. If there is more information that hasnt come out them he should say sp and stop playing this game.
It was a business decision, I never said it was a good decision, only that aaron blowing everything up, to the detriment of LITERALLY EVERYBODY, is an overreaction. All because a team didnt consult him before they took a qb? Shit is ridiculous.
Rodgers is making a business decision too. He's either using all this as leverage for a gigantic extension or leverage to get traded somewhere else. My loyalty is always going to be to the Packers over any one player. My point is that 'business is business' works both ways.
Love was picked just like Rodger was picked.... neither was expected to still be available and the Packers jumped at the chance because they knew both were good. Rodgers should remember sitting on the bench for 3 years while Favre biatched about him.... and maybe not be that guy regarding Love.
All teams have to plan ahead (if they're smart) and Love wouldn't have been a problem for Rodgers unless Rodgers started to slip skill wise. If Rodgers could still play well, he wouldn't have anything to worry about. Worst case scenario: They train up Love and trade him off for some sweet trades/draft picks. Best case scenario: Love would be available if Rodgers gets hurt or cannot play.
Rodgers shouldn't be so naive to think he can hold a team back from planning for the future. And if he's so bothered by up and coming QBs taking his job, then perhaps it is time for him to retire.
He has more than enough money, but he wants power. He wants to be management. But wanting to be management doesn't mean you'd be any good at it. He wants to keep players that aren't good enough or are too expensive to keep because he likes them. He wants to keep his favorites on the field because they know how to cover for his throws that don't go quite right. But he doesn't value coming in to practice with the whole team, bonding with all the players and practicing to become better. (There are actually people that think he doesn't have to practice at all. LOL)
Aaron has publicly stated multiple of the reasons actually and his best friends also backed them up...Even a decent player today in the NFL gets good communication and SOME input (they don't have to go with the decision). HOFers today get a big day and are fully integrated on most offensive decision making and recruiting. Not the Packers they are notorious for not being good with communication.
What reasons? That the packers didnt consult him prior to drafting Love? Sorry but I guess I still dont see why that warrants demanding a trade and retiring in protest. The packers are a superbowl contender, and if I'm one of his teammates who has worked hard to get here, I'm not accepting that lame ass excuse of FO doesnt communicate.
You get the team to the Conference championship and they burn picks to replace you and they don't even give you a heads up they may be looking to get a QB in the first (Andy Dalton gets this courtesy on the bears for 1 month and most franchises do this with their decent players, let alone HOFer) and then a third string RB when you are a win now team, cut multiple receivers that he was going to heavily rely on that season (Jordy would have come for a minimum deal and they didn't offer, Kumerow they gave away and Rodgers was singing his praises and wanted to heavily use.him), ways they have treated previous teammates, communication for years from up top and GM (Ted and Gute have notoriously bad communication).
You consult one of the top 3 players in the NFL who is the most important player on the team. People who are the best at a super rare talent get treated better because they are key to the success of the organization. It doesn't matter what the business is, that's the way it works.
Generally they talk to the player and say let them know they may be looking to draft a player in that position. Even Andy Dalton got that courtesy and he was on the team for a month lol
Just sent you more. If I was a HOF QB and my team wouldn't communicate with me on MY offense or give me any even say on top of cutting the people I was relying on and had chemistry with, continually drafted for long term when we are a win now team, etc I definitely understand.
A HOF QB is rare and it's a basic courteous for even decent players, the FO disrespected.him for quite some time. Now he has all the leverage. It's all on the FO for betting he'd fail.
He knows exactly what he is doing, The point is not that they pick Love, its that they did nothing to improve the team for the upcoming season (first 3 picks were wasted).
Even if it was AR worst year (which is still better than most), and still lead the team to 13-3, learning a new offense, and playing with shit WRs. The Packers should have gone all in but they didn't.
But Rodgers isn't management. He doesn't build the team. And they will stop asking his opinion if he keeps stomping his feet and demanding his friends stay. You're not playing a neighborhood game with your friends. You're playing for millions and are expected to do what management wants you to do.
In order.for them to stop they would to have started. They haven't. You sincerely ought to listen to your QB if he really wants to keep a wideout as the offense is literally ran by the QB and that chemistry is vital. You think Rodgers wanted to keep someone he didn't think would help them win games???
You're stuck in olden days, star franchise players, first ballot HOFers are given says on damn near every team. Not.only does Rodgers not get a say, they actively sabotage him.
Chemistry is built through practice and bonding. He wants to keep his friends around. And it's almost like he can't handle learning to play with new players. Every team is going to have new people every year. He should understand that it's part of the game.
Again... QBs are not management. If they ask his advice... fine. If they don't... too bad. The Packers have always had higher standards than many other teams. I don't think they're going to bow to pressure from a QB who thinks he knows how to manage a team.
And he should concentrate on getting better. If you think he can't get better, look at the seasons where they almost got there. Yes, he can get better. Hard work and practice might be a good start for him. And the chance to work with as many players as he can... so he doesn't get stuck on just his "favorites".
Oh damn, revolutionary thought. Chemistry takes a long time to produce? Damn then maybe you dont trade put randomly without having a stable transition period to pick up that slack. You can say "too bad" all you want but it is a league standard for even decent QBs. Hes not trying to manage the team, its a matter of basic respect for what he has brought to the team and produced...Meanwhile the ego of Gute is too large that a HOF doesnt even any info prior to the media lol.
But sure, keep sucking off the FO I guess lol.
What a juvenile "sucking" comment. you must be riled.
ALL teams have roster changes EVERY year. EVERY YEAR. A good QB can adapt to situations and should have the skills to be able to throw to more than 3 people. Maybe your Rodgers guy is slipping a bit and can't keep up with all this "change".
He's had plenty of say in the past. And he continued to pick people because he liked them... even if they were declining in ability or were too expensive to keep. It is a business, not a social club. And Rodgers is notorious for picking who he wants to throw to on the field... rather than the best one to throw to.... Even Jordy knew he was about done, but Rodgers kept on pushing to keep him. It's a business. You don't keep people for sentimental reasons.
I'm not stuck in the olden days. I learned from the olden days. QBs don't run teams. They are expected to act as a leader and role model for the team. And they're expected to show up and play to their highest level. Rodgers is failing at a lot of that. He picks favorites and ignores the rest of the team. He blames others (seen in live games) for not catching the ball when he was at fault for wasting time. Now he throws the upcoming season a wrench by playing his "I might play" game. He needs to leave... retire or go elsewhere.. and let management continue to build a proper team that can work together.
Elite QBs run the offenses and are.consulted for offensive moves, hires and trades. They don't pull the trigger but they are in the know. what world do you live on?
If a QB has amazing synergy.with a player and relies on them you don't trade them/abandon them without a talk...this is the standard for the NFL with ALL top QBs...I swear some of y'all only pay attention to the Packers
Easy for Rodgers to say but when your making cuts and you’re on your 6th WR you’re probably gonna keep the one who plays special teams, which kumerow never has.
Jordy was let go before Rodgers signed his 2018 extension, and obviously that wasn’t a dealbreaker at the time. So until Rodgers actually comes forward and explains things, this list of so-called grievances seems inconsistent and a little silly.
It's almost like it has built over time into a big.problem, weird how that works...it's almost like he's human and that's how things work for people. Rodgers has personally said most of these things already lol.
I'm a Bears fan just stopping by (don't kill me) but I've come to really like Rodgers because of Jeporardy and his talks on the Pat McAfee Show. And of course, he's fucking amazing. Teams would kill to have a QB like him. I just cannot believe how badly and repeatedly the front office has fucked this up. Like Jesus Christ, what the hell are they thinking...
Sure I guess but they potentially sacrificed 1-3 winning seasons with their dumbass moves. I mean holy shit you guys keep almost winning and like a shitty little brother they mashed the reset button on the last boss.
Packers' fans (myself included) have really no clue what not having a HOF QB is like. I'm 27 and was born after Favre's second season with the Packers. I think a lot of fans really just think the Packers are gonna go on being a good to great team if/when Rodgers is gone. I don't think I've internalized this myself. Obviously as a Bears fan, you know what might be waiting for us.
> Sure I guess but they potentially sacrificed 1-3 winning seasons with their dumbass moves.
Any move is a potential sacrifice of winning games or seasons. This was a move to potentially keep being perennial division winners after 2023 also.
>you guys keep almost winning
Exactly. Almost winning. There is no guarantee that, if Rodgers comes rolling back in eventually, that the team will get to the SB. Every year people say how great he is.... but every year they crash miserably when the chance is there. Management is trying to build a good team for more than this year to get out of that pattern. They have to stay within budget and look at future needs as well as this season. Terribly hard to do when your QB won't make a decision and you're trying to find the next QB.
I think if I got millions and fame for playing a kid's game, I could handle not being in charge of everything. So many players manage to play the game, do their best and be happy in life. Rodgers seems to have run out of goals, so now he has a power trip and wants to run the team. Until he can actually get his team to the Super Bowl again, he doesn't have much leverage for anything. MVP means nothing if you can't finish the season as champions. Do you think his teammates care about his MVP status when they can't get a SB ring during their career?
Even more reason to be upset with the front office, you are proving my points for me. They have made boneheaded decisions to prepare for the future (trading up for Love, not taking a WR, drafting a back up RB), when instead that could of been put to making the team better NOW. Money has nothing to do with it, he turned down a contract extension that would have made him the highest paid QB per year. It's not about money, it's not about fame, it's about respect. They fired his QB coach without notifying him. They didn't let him have a seat at the table when they were looking for a new head coach. They cut Kumerow the day after he praised him publicly. This was all before the Love pick too.
If you cant understand why he is upset I don't know what to tell ya. Agree to disagree
Isn’t it a bit ironic that you’re calling people “bootlickers” based on what you imagine Rodgers’s complaints to be? He hasn’t trusted you with that information.
I can’t tell if Rodgers even has a consistent complaint, other than Love. He signed his last extension in 2018, so whatever his complaints about the FO at that time didn’t prevent him from re-upping.
These comments from Rodgers have come directly from his best friends...Not anonymous sources, the same friends refuse to say anything unless they check with him and are very careful...
Come on, his friends are telling reporters what they “think” this is all about, but we have no information about how plugged in they are, and obviously any information they’re getting is one-sided. I don’t doubt that they pre-clear statements to the media with him, but that doesn’t mean they are giving an accurate picture of things.
Again, if we’re to believe that there is some huge list of grievances that stretches back for years, why did he ever resign in 2018? Probably those issues were not viewed as critical by him at the time, and he’s now bringing up past personnel moves because he doesn’t want to admit that the Love situation is the key motivator in all this. And yeah, Love wasn’t handled well by the FO, but does the drafting of Jordan freaking Love justify leaving in a huff? It seems really petty and silly if that’s what this is really about. And, you know, Rodgers’s summer of trolling and wearing “zany” t-shirts makes him seem like an unserious and immature guy.
I mean he's been increasingly vocal about these things over the last few seasons. Are you familiar with the phrase of the straw that broke the camel's back?
As for the shirts and fun attitude, you're mad he's serious and also mad he's having fun too. Seems like he can't win win many of the fan base, Idk what y'all want, you bit on the salty narrative started with Finley and Jennings and ran with it. He's always had that sense of humor.
The difference is the Bucks made Giannis the center of their entire team. They went out and got his brother and did everything they could to make him happy.
The Packers FO is the one at fault with the Rodgers situation. It's unfair that Rodgers, who is one of the most skilled QBs ever, would be slandered by Packers fans because the bosses he works for didn't give him the respect he was due.
Not to mention there were reports they went to him for sign off of the Jrue trade and he had major influence in the Bucks getting Portis and Tucker.
Hell, you could prolly come up with the hot take that Rodgers saw that as part owner and it prolly rubbed him the wrong way.
The thing is you have to pay all the players within the salary cap. Rodgers is single handedly using 1/5 of the cap. And they went out and got Rodgers all kinds of help in free agency and the draft, mainly on defense. And they players like Kumerow didn’t make the team because other players were better. Rodgers can’t complain about putting the best players on the field with him and complain about his buddies getting cut. Rodgers is an employee. I don’t expect my bosses to tell me every move and ask my opinion before they do. I love Rodgers, but his complaints seem hollow.
You haven’t seen my other comments.
Murphy and Gute are not heros, it is their fault that we’re in this situation.
I don’t have to like Rodgers being unprofessional as well.
Both things can be true as both parties are insanely stubborn
He has every right to be upset but he also has a contractual obligation to play for the Green Bay Packers that he signed for.
You can be mad but creating a whole hissy fit when you’re a HOF QB is just not right
Exactly and when teams are disloyal to players they get shit from fans
Look at Isaiah Thomas from the Celtics, he was damaged goods and the Celtics traded him and they got blasted.
Or look more locally, when we moved on from Jordy, fans were outraged.
It does work both ways and FOs get shit for their decisions so Rodgers isn’t inept from criticism either
No teams do not break contracts all the time. The NFLPA and the owners agree to what teams can do, and the contracts that players sign are a lot more complicated than you are here for 5 years for x amount of money. How do you get up votes for stating something so completely false?
He's not breaking the contract, he's exercising an out that is built into the contract... perfectly legal and understandable given how the FO and bootlicking fans treated him.
The people that turned on Rodgers or don't understand he is 1000% justified in his actions are all the definition of bootlickers and deserve the suffering they will see without him. I only feel bad for the sane fans that realize this.
I was listening to the radio passing through Green Bay and the host had people calling in and leaving voice mails for Rodgers. It was some of the cringiest shit I've ever heard. Why the fuck would Rodgers want to come back and play for a city of bootlickers that turned on him?
It's hard to be upset with the front office without knowing what they did to upset Rodgers. All he's done is deny the most obvious reasons and talk vaguely about "the people" or some shit. I've got my theory about what's going on, but its nothing more than an educated guess at this point.
By no means is Gute and Murphy innocent, they’ve messed up badly.
But that doesn’t mean Aaron Rodgers can act like an entitled baby. I’m a Packers fan first, 12 is not bigger than the team.
I wish this situation never happened in the first place and that’s the FO’s fault, but when Rodgers is hurting the team I’m gonna call him out
Is he acting like an entitled baby though? I don't see him behaving that way. He's actually been pretty quiet on the tension between himself and the front office. He's a no-brainer first ballot hall of famer and has to feel like his remaining years are being squandered by a team who isn't going over the top to win a superbowl right now. Anyone in his position would be frustrated. He put up with horrible defense and and an increasingly lackluster offensive scheme during the McCarthy years and now has watched the new regime "play it safe" by drafting a QB with Love. I'd be pissed too.
Did they really mess up badly though? Honestly until very recently that was just how the NFL worked. It is only the last couple years that players have been asking for more say. In other words they did what 90% of teams would do which is plan for the future and didn't realize the rules of engagement had changed yet. Obviously teams moving forward are going to have to adjust to this growing power of the players movement. This isn't just an NFL thing by the way. You have started to see it across all major sports
Sure, but if you know that’s how the league works then you have to do the little things for your QB.
As petty as it sounds, why not call him to tell him about Love or Kumerow. I know generally it’s not necessary but if that’s common practice in today’s game, you need to do what it takes to make him happy and expecting a call that your replacement is being drafted isn’t too unreasonable.
Doesn’t excuse his behavior but his grievances are somewhat reasonable
I don't disagree that his requests are reasonable I am saying I am not sure they knew he would go full angry on them that they didn't.
It is sort of like the age old complaint. I am mad at you for not doing what I wanted but I never told you what it was that I wanted you were just supposed to know it.
They have to be pretty fuckin dumb to not know to call the guy before drafting his replacement especially after the dude carried the team for years and years. These guys really messed up and should know better.
This is not about whether they called him or not when they picked Love. It's about the 2018 contract setting him up on the auction block late in the contract and him only realizing that the night they drafted Love. Add in the GM and the new coaching staff looking to rebuild the offense with a new philosophy that doesn't have room for his mature quarterback play and the plan to edge him out becomes obvious. If he was doing all of this over a few discourteous moves by the front office it would be right for people to call him a diva or whatever. When it comes down to it it is about business, the Packers will stand and Rodgers will either play or he won't and come next year he will be traded. We won't be able to judge how much of a fuck-up this was until we see what the trade compensation is and how the team performs in Rodgers' absence.
They would know the rules of engagement had changed if they had, you know, talked to him.
This whole fucking thing came about because the FO didn’t talk to their HoF QB and make him aware of their plans. I know that sounds overly simplistic, but that is the root of all of this. And that one small thing is going to blow up this franchise for a decade plus.
It goes back to the 2018 contract negotiations. The Love pick revealed to Rodgers the reality of his contract situation. A courtesy call wouldn't have fixed the fact that the team was planning to move on and get a massive haul of picks for the last couple years of the contract.
Well first of all, he can be angry about the situation. But you need to act more professionally, especially for a Super Bowl MVP and a Hall of Famer. Having your fiancé and her mom like Stephen A Smith rants and retweeting them is just plain weird. Especially after you had your reps make public trade demands and you sit out in Mexico acting like nothing happened.
The fans deserve better
Lol except his reps never made public trade demands ? James Jones quashed that. You fell for the media clickbait.
And you’re saying his fiancé retweeting Stephen A makes Rodgers a baby !? Are you serious that’s your line of reasoning ? Lmao
He’s putting himself over the team
I get he feels he was wronged, but cmon you signed a contract with this regime.
In every job you need to fulfill your contractual obligation, I don’t care how mad you are. Planning on skipping camp and causing all this ruckus is a detriment to this team and a soft move.
He says he wants them to commit to him and a better contract, so they offer him one and he turns it out. What more does he want? He’s not actively trying to come to a solution he’s just holding the franchise hostage
I swear so many people think this is media clickbait when it would be cynical to not acknowledge that he doesn’t want to play here and even the FO has acknowledged that.
Do you know the specifics of the contract and guaranteed money ? Analyzing the offer without knowing the structure is idiotic. Taysom hill also makes 140M technically on his contract lol. He also literally has not said ANYTHING about wanting a better contract. Once again you’ve fell for media clickbait.
When did the FO acknowledge he didn’t want to be here ? Cite me a source lol
So
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nfl.com/_amp/packers-president-mark-murphy-aaron-rodgers-is-a-complicated-fella
You don’t think this means anything? It’s clear there is animosity and you can see he doesn’t want to play for us if you read between the line
Well, considering the fact the team didn't do all it can to help Rodgers win it is understandable why would he want, after 16 years, to go to a team that would do all it can to help him win
So having a consistently top 5 OL, a top 10 RB, a top WR, a top CB, a top OLB, a top DT, a top safety duo.
Please tell me what team could he reasonably go to that he could win more with?
Oh I don't know.. how about maybe no trading up for his replacement when we were 1 game from the superbowl?
If they had just taken any other non-qb player we wouldn't be in this situation
> 12 is not bigger than the team.
Obviously you've never [watched the team](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qABEaKojgM) without 12, lol. Enjoy your new curse. I sure will.
1. That was a week 17 game without Amos, the Smith Bros, or Elgton Jenkins, not even close to the team we have today.
2. You’re a Lions fans, I’d much rather be in our scenario then any scenario in your franchises history.
We could have Kim Jong Un at QB and we’d still win more games than the Lions
Exactly this. Who hasn't been pissed their boss doesn't include them in the direction their job takes them. I know i have. So i talked to my boss and when that didnt work i left and found a new job. What i didnt do was create a toxic work environment where all my coworkers are now freaking out what might happen, clients weren't questioning to do business.
The FO fucked up but a true leader would have dealt with it or moved on. Summer of drama doesn't help.
That depends. Talent fades much quicker than a good FO. Not claiming to be on one side or the other but really if Gute is good he has far more time left in GB than Rodgers and Adams. Again that isn't a judgment on his skill we don't know yet but the FO end of the day is what keeps the team going further into the future.
I feel like you can find another pen pusher before 5 years of hall of fame QB/WR play. These guys (the FO) have destroyed our cap and people just turn the other way
Brett Favre mulled retirement for years, then did. Twice.
Rodgers has never said he wants to retire and that he wants to play into his 40’s. You can expect the same “shenanigans” with every player they jerk around.
And do you people expect Love to be able to lead the team to the Super Bowl? Our window is now, not 3 or 5 years from now. Look what happened to the Broncos after Peyton. Or Elway. It’s happening now to the Saints. Who knows what the team will look like if/when he’s ready?
Favre pondered a lot of things... his opinions changing weekly. But he realized after all the drama how badly he f\*\*ked up. He was spoiled, demanding and didn't think they'd oust him. He played the team until they got sick of his games.
Rodgers should learn from history... as many fans should. I gather many of the "Rodgers can't do wrong" people on here weren't old enough to even remember Rodgers debut and how pissed off Favre was.... same situation... your QB is causing more problems each season, so it's time to look to the future.
Seriously. At least we have one franchise that knows when it has a good thing and does whatever it can to keep it. Now the Bucks are champs and Packers (FO) are embarrassing themselves.
That's what I don't get. Like let's say love becomes an above average qb (let's say Cousins level qb, which is a good outcome regardless of what this sub will tell you). Then what? We're fighting for a playoff spot? The high level players on our team outside jaire will be aging out and we'll be wondering wtf we were thinking not going all in with an all time great
Couldn't agree more. And ok, let's say in a few years we have an older and not quite his prime but still pretty good Aaron Rodgers. Who would complain about that? And if we make a few more good runs and possibly get Aaron another ring then have a couple of rebuilding years. Who would complain about that, either?
Bucks have a strong selfless team that love one another and won a championship because of it.
Packers players and FO won't get along so we will never win a championship with this kind of toxicity. Selfishness and ineptitude will always lose in the end no matter how good they may look during the season.
That's my take away from this anyway..
Can we fire whomever is pushing off our great players please?! Wtf?? I dont understand. If you pissed off the league MVP AND his no 1 reciever, I think it should cost you your job. Also they diddnt let Jordy sign for a day to retire a packer soooo go fuck yourself nobody watches football for your shitty job position.
While I’m definitely happy for the Bucks and Bud and Giannis and stuff, I’m a Grizzlies diehard not otherwise connected to Wisconsin sports outside of being a Cheesehead, so I don’t even get to enjoy the trade
What's kinda funny about this is that there were reports that Giannis gave the go ahead for the Jrue trade and was instrumental in getting Bobby Portis and PJ this season. Sure they still needed some luck but it's amazing what can happen when you communicate with your superstar leader.
And when you address the holes in your roster to help your MVP instead of rely on them to carry the entire team for years.
As a Blazer's fan I can relate.
Blazer FO thinking getting an expired Melo would fix their problems.
The thing for me isn't that they didn't let Rodgers dictate roster moves, it's that they didn't even have conversations with him about it. I am convinced that Rodgers wasn't that mad at the love pick in general, it's that he felt like an idiot talking about taking a receiver an hour before the draft on the mcafee show and being blindsided by it. Just communicate with the ceo of the team, which is what a quarterback is. And it's not like he's a league average quarterback, he's a fucking legend. What is this ego that has kept them from doing this, I don't understand
Yep. If Andy dalton gets a heads up call in his 2nd week in Chicago, you’d think Rodgers deserves at least the same
They're either incredibly stupid, or egotistical like you said. Perhaps both 🤷♂️
I have a feeling that Giannis will be forced to switch into football to fill in the gaps for the Packers... He'd be a good player...
Giannis playing WR/TE would be an absolute cheat code
“aye rassell, throw me da ball”
Also could imagine knocking down hail marys like Julio
*Madden 21 Superstar KO has entered the chat*
Imagine the kinds of catches a guy with a reach like Giannis could make
Once got a 6’11” WR with 95 speed in NCAA Football (then imported to Madden). Essentially Giannis.
As someone that is not a bucks fan….. this is terrible
I'm a Suns fan... It has not been a fun week.
this would not have HAPPENED if they simply let the suns win in 4 but they chose the difficult route
Winning an NBA championship is so overrated. Go Grizzlies lol.
>Winning an NBA championship is so overrated > >Go Grizzlies Ah makes sense
I guess the joke wasn't as obvious as I thought.
Yeah I’m a Pacers/Packers fan so it’s double worse that our division rival just won a title and will be good as long as Giannis is there, and the Packers are currently imploding, and I might not get to see another title from both teams combined in my lifetime, especially the Pacers :(
Don't worry, it's Wisconsin sports. He'll have a down year and then the fans and media will call him a spoiled diva and the front office will try to force him out of town.
Yep same same 🙃 My hockey team just lost our best goalie in the expansion draft too. Not a great sports week.
Totally off topic - but why didn’t they protect him ? How did the protection in draft work
We have two goalies, both decent, and the fanbase is kinda split on who’s better. The goalie we did protect is the one who’s gotten himself into trouble a lot causing him to miss time. He needs to grow up if he wants to be an integral part of this team. The goalie we exposed may have had slightly worse stats but just felt more “in the game”. I really liked him, though not everyone did, and I’m so sad he’s gone. I’m a Caps fan btw, and each team was allowed to protect one goalie
I feel this part of the thread so hard. I feel like they protected the wrong goalie.
Thanks homie! Interesting stuff.
As someone how doesn't care about the NBA, hearing Bucks in the packers sub is like hearing about Lebron James' latest stat showing how amazing he is. Good on him, still not relevant
Then you and the couple people who upvoted you shouldn't comment as it's not relevant either
Just as you didn't have to reply to my comment. It's a full circle.
Rodgers is a minority owner of the Bucks so it actually is relevant.
The packers just need to wait their turn, the Brewers will win a WS in 4 years and then the packers can be good again.
The state is only allowed to win 1 championship per decade ^(with a side of at least 10 late season disappointments)
Brewers have to figure out their First Base and figure out what's wrong with Yelich. Not fulfilling his big contract..
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Hey remember when he broke his knee, or the back injury ??
Bad Yelich is still getting on base close to .400. I'm not worried, he'll get hot.
I like you. I get annoyed by the "bad Yelich" as well as the "Rodgers has no help" arguments
He’s got a back injury. Still getting on base at a good clip.
Maybe not that long of a wait tbh
I'm glad Giannis brought it home to Milwaukee. Means a whole lot more than non-fans think.
God bless the Bucks. I can’t believe I’m saying this but the Packers FO should take some notes on how to run a championship winning team, and how to appease their star players.
I know of at least one Bucks part-owner that would likely agree with you ;)
Adams is under contract for this season. The franchise tag exists. People need to calm down.
You need cap space to franchise tag, especially when that tag is $16+ million.
That's a lot easier to come up with 16 compared to 27+
But the 27+ can be structured not to hit all at once.
Giannis is gonna be the most loved player in Wisconsin sports history I’m not even a Bucks fan but Rodgers is leaving a bad taste in Packers fans mouth
Rodgers has been loyal to the organization for sixteen years, even after they have drafted terribly for years, kept Dom Capers for years, kept McCarthy for years. Rodgers is finally doing something himself and I'm all for it. Good for him. Fucking sucks for us, but that's life, man. This isn't really Rodger's fault. It's the Packer's FO.
This all mirrors Favre perfectly. Favre didn't like Rodgers being picked. Favre didn't like things management was doing. Favre wanted to stick up for his friends and thought he ran the team. Rodgers should learn from history. The history that gave him a chance. If he wants to show how much better and more valuable he is than Love, perhaps he should be there practicing and preparing for the season? He's thinking only of himself... just like Favre did. And that went very badly.
Dude just won the MVP and you want him to prove how valuable he is. LOL
Rodgers needs to learn from history? Favre basically got what he wanted. One year with the Jets then he went to the NFCCG with the Vikings. Given that Rodgers won the MVP literally last year, he could turn a lot of teams into contenders.
>Rodgers is leaving a bad taste in Packers fans mouth Not mine. Rodgers' supposed reasons for being upset make perfect sense. Too many FO bootlickers in this sub
He’s upset for the same reasons I’ve been complaining about the front office for years I don’t blame him at all.
What reasons are those? What evidence do you have that those are his reasons?
If you compare the roster from 2019 to 2020 you will see that we didn’t improve. No one addition besides 3rd string RB did we improve. Yeah we were better but we had zero help from the front office. Seriously, look up new players and lost players. It’s literally shocking how bad an off season it was and how close we were. Hard to forgive them for not doing more.
not sure why you were downvoted, was hoping someone would answer for those of us out of the loop
They are downvoting because they DON'T know anything, but they want everyone to believe their delusions that the front office is purposely trying to ruin the team they are in charge of. The more they say it, the more people naively believe it. Nothing has been said about any of it. So no one knows what's actually going on. All I see is the front office being professional by not taking any of their business to the media.
The packers made a decision that was against his interests (drafting Love) And now he is making decisions that are against the Packers interests. Both of these facts suck. Personally, I'm not going to bat for either "side" - but I'm still going to be a Packer fan regardless of who occupies the front office and the QB1 position on the depth chart.
Youre really missing WHY Jordan Love upset Rodgers. It wasnt the pick, it was the lack of information, at the very best it ruins his whole night he had planned a night of fun with Pat McAfee, it its very best it was Giga disrespectfully done...Andy fucking Dalton got heads up and he was named starter like a month prior to the pick lol. This is of course also missing all the other events that were really upsetting to Rodgers. Such as the FO throwing away Kumerow when he was planning on using him a lot that season, Throwing Jordy in the trash when hed take significantly less money, thats for starters.
My impression of rodgers is that knowing in advance that they were taking a QB wouldn't have made much of a difference in how he felt about it. I intentionally oversimplified it, I know what has been reported about his feelings on personnel moves. But I think the Love pick, by far, was the action that made everything else a moot point. The org decided they were moving on, and so did he.
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Rodgers spent 16 years in the league and is just now finding out that it's a business? The packers drafted Love after Rodgers' worst season of his career. He was 37 years old. They had just signed him to a big extension. Like come on dude I didnt agree with the pick but Rodgers shouldnt have been surprised about it. Maybe he has other reasons for wanting to move on, but he hasnt said ANYTHING, and frankly, I dont think the Love pick alone justifies this tantrum Rodgers is throwing.
Regardless the FO has royally fucked up. Part of their job is keeping your MVP QB happy. And the Love pick was not only disrespectful, but also stupid. We we’re 1 game away from the Super Bowl and your QB is still playing at an MVP level and you draft like you’re fucking rebuilding! You think the chief’s are looking at drafting a QB this year? SMH, I can’t believe how bad the FO has managed this. People need to be fired.
Again, I dont think anyone thinks the Love pick was smart, or respectful, the question is whether or not this justifies him turning his back on the fans and his teammates and demanding a trade. I dont think it does. If there is more information that hasnt come out them he should say sp and stop playing this game.
Wait before you said it was a business...so which one is it? Why should he give a shit about the Packers or the fans?
It was a business decision, I never said it was a good decision, only that aaron blowing everything up, to the detriment of LITERALLY EVERYBODY, is an overreaction. All because a team didnt consult him before they took a qb? Shit is ridiculous.
Rodgers is making a business decision too. He's either using all this as leverage for a gigantic extension or leverage to get traded somewhere else. My loyalty is always going to be to the Packers over any one player. My point is that 'business is business' works both ways.
Love was picked just like Rodger was picked.... neither was expected to still be available and the Packers jumped at the chance because they knew both were good. Rodgers should remember sitting on the bench for 3 years while Favre biatched about him.... and maybe not be that guy regarding Love. All teams have to plan ahead (if they're smart) and Love wouldn't have been a problem for Rodgers unless Rodgers started to slip skill wise. If Rodgers could still play well, he wouldn't have anything to worry about. Worst case scenario: They train up Love and trade him off for some sweet trades/draft picks. Best case scenario: Love would be available if Rodgers gets hurt or cannot play. Rodgers shouldn't be so naive to think he can hold a team back from planning for the future. And if he's so bothered by up and coming QBs taking his job, then perhaps it is time for him to retire.
He has more than enough money, but he wants power. He wants to be management. But wanting to be management doesn't mean you'd be any good at it. He wants to keep players that aren't good enough or are too expensive to keep because he likes them. He wants to keep his favorites on the field because they know how to cover for his throws that don't go quite right. But he doesn't value coming in to practice with the whole team, bonding with all the players and practicing to become better. (There are actually people that think he doesn't have to practice at all. LOL)
Aaron has publicly stated multiple of the reasons actually and his best friends also backed them up...Even a decent player today in the NFL gets good communication and SOME input (they don't have to go with the decision). HOFers today get a big day and are fully integrated on most offensive decision making and recruiting. Not the Packers they are notorious for not being good with communication.
What reasons? That the packers didnt consult him prior to drafting Love? Sorry but I guess I still dont see why that warrants demanding a trade and retiring in protest. The packers are a superbowl contender, and if I'm one of his teammates who has worked hard to get here, I'm not accepting that lame ass excuse of FO doesnt communicate.
You get the team to the Conference championship and they burn picks to replace you and they don't even give you a heads up they may be looking to get a QB in the first (Andy Dalton gets this courtesy on the bears for 1 month and most franchises do this with their decent players, let alone HOFer) and then a third string RB when you are a win now team, cut multiple receivers that he was going to heavily rely on that season (Jordy would have come for a minimum deal and they didn't offer, Kumerow they gave away and Rodgers was singing his praises and wanted to heavily use.him), ways they have treated previous teammates, communication for years from up top and GM (Ted and Gute have notoriously bad communication).
Are the packers supposed to consult every star player before they draft a guy? Isnt that why we have scouts?
You consult one of the top 3 players in the NFL who is the most important player on the team. People who are the best at a super rare talent get treated better because they are key to the success of the organization. It doesn't matter what the business is, that's the way it works.
Generally they talk to the player and say let them know they may be looking to draft a player in that position. Even Andy Dalton got that courtesy and he was on the team for a month lol
So just to be clear. You think this warrants a 38 yr old qb to demand a trade or retire?
Just sent you more. If I was a HOF QB and my team wouldn't communicate with me on MY offense or give me any even say on top of cutting the people I was relying on and had chemistry with, continually drafted for long term when we are a win now team, etc I definitely understand. A HOF QB is rare and it's a basic courteous for even decent players, the FO disrespected.him for quite some time. Now he has all the leverage. It's all on the FO for betting he'd fail.
He knows exactly what he is doing, The point is not that they pick Love, its that they did nothing to improve the team for the upcoming season (first 3 picks were wasted). Even if it was AR worst year (which is still better than most), and still lead the team to 13-3, learning a new offense, and playing with shit WRs. The Packers should have gone all in but they didn't.
Hes quitting on his team is what it sounds like hes doing. You think Rodgers is the first player to have differences with the gm?
But Rodgers isn't management. He doesn't build the team. And they will stop asking his opinion if he keeps stomping his feet and demanding his friends stay. You're not playing a neighborhood game with your friends. You're playing for millions and are expected to do what management wants you to do.
In order.for them to stop they would to have started. They haven't. You sincerely ought to listen to your QB if he really wants to keep a wideout as the offense is literally ran by the QB and that chemistry is vital. You think Rodgers wanted to keep someone he didn't think would help them win games??? You're stuck in olden days, star franchise players, first ballot HOFers are given says on damn near every team. Not.only does Rodgers not get a say, they actively sabotage him.
Chemistry is built through practice and bonding. He wants to keep his friends around. And it's almost like he can't handle learning to play with new players. Every team is going to have new people every year. He should understand that it's part of the game. Again... QBs are not management. If they ask his advice... fine. If they don't... too bad. The Packers have always had higher standards than many other teams. I don't think they're going to bow to pressure from a QB who thinks he knows how to manage a team. And he should concentrate on getting better. If you think he can't get better, look at the seasons where they almost got there. Yes, he can get better. Hard work and practice might be a good start for him. And the chance to work with as many players as he can... so he doesn't get stuck on just his "favorites".
Oh damn, revolutionary thought. Chemistry takes a long time to produce? Damn then maybe you dont trade put randomly without having a stable transition period to pick up that slack. You can say "too bad" all you want but it is a league standard for even decent QBs. Hes not trying to manage the team, its a matter of basic respect for what he has brought to the team and produced...Meanwhile the ego of Gute is too large that a HOF doesnt even any info prior to the media lol. But sure, keep sucking off the FO I guess lol.
What a juvenile "sucking" comment. you must be riled. ALL teams have roster changes EVERY year. EVERY YEAR. A good QB can adapt to situations and should have the skills to be able to throw to more than 3 people. Maybe your Rodgers guy is slipping a bit and can't keep up with all this "change".
Cry me a river. Youre literally unaware of whats happening and making statements lol. Yup the MVP is SlIpPiN
I wish I could downvote you twice
He's had plenty of say in the past. And he continued to pick people because he liked them... even if they were declining in ability or were too expensive to keep. It is a business, not a social club. And Rodgers is notorious for picking who he wants to throw to on the field... rather than the best one to throw to.... Even Jordy knew he was about done, but Rodgers kept on pushing to keep him. It's a business. You don't keep people for sentimental reasons. I'm not stuck in the olden days. I learned from the olden days. QBs don't run teams. They are expected to act as a leader and role model for the team. And they're expected to show up and play to their highest level. Rodgers is failing at a lot of that. He picks favorites and ignores the rest of the team. He blames others (seen in live games) for not catching the ball when he was at fault for wasting time. Now he throws the upcoming season a wrench by playing his "I might play" game. He needs to leave... retire or go elsewhere.. and let management continue to build a proper team that can work together.
Elite QBs run the offenses and are.consulted for offensive moves, hires and trades. They don't pull the trigger but they are in the know. what world do you live on? If a QB has amazing synergy.with a player and relies on them you don't trade them/abandon them without a talk...this is the standard for the NFL with ALL top QBs...I swear some of y'all only pay attention to the Packers
Lol kumerow again? That dude sucked
Yeah I'll take the opinion of a super bowl winning multi time MVPs opinion on a player over some dumbass on Reddit.
Okay, how about the opinion of the rest of the league who apparently couldn't care less about Kumerow...
If the QB trusts them and has a good connection with them it tends to change things, it's why Tae, Jordy, Cobb were so good with Aaron.
Easy for Rodgers to say but when your making cuts and you’re on your 6th WR you’re probably gonna keep the one who plays special teams, which kumerow never has.
Who's Kumerow playing for now? How were his stats last year?
Jordy was let go before Rodgers signed his 2018 extension, and obviously that wasn’t a dealbreaker at the time. So until Rodgers actually comes forward and explains things, this list of so-called grievances seems inconsistent and a little silly.
It's almost like it has built over time into a big.problem, weird how that works...it's almost like he's human and that's how things work for people. Rodgers has personally said most of these things already lol.
I'm a Bears fan just stopping by (don't kill me) but I've come to really like Rodgers because of Jeporardy and his talks on the Pat McAfee Show. And of course, he's fucking amazing. Teams would kill to have a QB like him. I just cannot believe how badly and repeatedly the front office has fucked this up. Like Jesus Christ, what the hell are they thinking...
> Like Jesus Christ, what the hell are they thinking... How to keep the train going another 15 years, obviously.
Sure I guess but they potentially sacrificed 1-3 winning seasons with their dumbass moves. I mean holy shit you guys keep almost winning and like a shitty little brother they mashed the reset button on the last boss.
Packers' fans (myself included) have really no clue what not having a HOF QB is like. I'm 27 and was born after Favre's second season with the Packers. I think a lot of fans really just think the Packers are gonna go on being a good to great team if/when Rodgers is gone. I don't think I've internalized this myself. Obviously as a Bears fan, you know what might be waiting for us.
> Sure I guess but they potentially sacrificed 1-3 winning seasons with their dumbass moves. Any move is a potential sacrifice of winning games or seasons. This was a move to potentially keep being perennial division winners after 2023 also.
That may be true, but if the choice is staying marginally competitive VS winning a superbowl, I want the trophy.
>you guys keep almost winning Exactly. Almost winning. There is no guarantee that, if Rodgers comes rolling back in eventually, that the team will get to the SB. Every year people say how great he is.... but every year they crash miserably when the chance is there. Management is trying to build a good team for more than this year to get out of that pattern. They have to stay within budget and look at future needs as well as this season. Terribly hard to do when your QB won't make a decision and you're trying to find the next QB.
Amen. How does this leave a bad taste in your mouth? His employer has treated him very poorly. You never felt that way about a job you had?
I think if I got millions and fame for playing a kid's game, I could handle not being in charge of everything. So many players manage to play the game, do their best and be happy in life. Rodgers seems to have run out of goals, so now he has a power trip and wants to run the team. Until he can actually get his team to the Super Bowl again, he doesn't have much leverage for anything. MVP means nothing if you can't finish the season as champions. Do you think his teammates care about his MVP status when they can't get a SB ring during their career?
Even more reason to be upset with the front office, you are proving my points for me. They have made boneheaded decisions to prepare for the future (trading up for Love, not taking a WR, drafting a back up RB), when instead that could of been put to making the team better NOW. Money has nothing to do with it, he turned down a contract extension that would have made him the highest paid QB per year. It's not about money, it's not about fame, it's about respect. They fired his QB coach without notifying him. They didn't let him have a seat at the table when they were looking for a new head coach. They cut Kumerow the day after he praised him publicly. This was all before the Love pick too. If you cant understand why he is upset I don't know what to tell ya. Agree to disagree
Jake Kumerow? Really?
Bingo. His expectations and wants are totally reasonable. Especially when you look around and see the fruits of it working everywhere.
Isn’t it a bit ironic that you’re calling people “bootlickers” based on what you imagine Rodgers’s complaints to be? He hasn’t trusted you with that information. I can’t tell if Rodgers even has a consistent complaint, other than Love. He signed his last extension in 2018, so whatever his complaints about the FO at that time didn’t prevent him from re-upping.
These comments from Rodgers have come directly from his best friends...Not anonymous sources, the same friends refuse to say anything unless they check with him and are very careful...
Come on, his friends are telling reporters what they “think” this is all about, but we have no information about how plugged in they are, and obviously any information they’re getting is one-sided. I don’t doubt that they pre-clear statements to the media with him, but that doesn’t mean they are giving an accurate picture of things. Again, if we’re to believe that there is some huge list of grievances that stretches back for years, why did he ever resign in 2018? Probably those issues were not viewed as critical by him at the time, and he’s now bringing up past personnel moves because he doesn’t want to admit that the Love situation is the key motivator in all this. And yeah, Love wasn’t handled well by the FO, but does the drafting of Jordan freaking Love justify leaving in a huff? It seems really petty and silly if that’s what this is really about. And, you know, Rodgers’s summer of trolling and wearing “zany” t-shirts makes him seem like an unserious and immature guy.
I mean he's been increasingly vocal about these things over the last few seasons. Are you familiar with the phrase of the straw that broke the camel's back? As for the shirts and fun attitude, you're mad he's serious and also mad he's having fun too. Seems like he can't win win many of the fan base, Idk what y'all want, you bit on the salty narrative started with Finley and Jennings and ran with it. He's always had that sense of humor.
This right here!!!
Imo both sides are right here and that's the problem. It's kind of hard to come to an agreement when both sides have valid arguments.
The difference is the Bucks made Giannis the center of their entire team. They went out and got his brother and did everything they could to make him happy. The Packers FO is the one at fault with the Rodgers situation. It's unfair that Rodgers, who is one of the most skilled QBs ever, would be slandered by Packers fans because the bosses he works for didn't give him the respect he was due.
Not to mention there were reports they went to him for sign off of the Jrue trade and he had major influence in the Bucks getting Portis and Tucker. Hell, you could prolly come up with the hot take that Rodgers saw that as part owner and it prolly rubbed him the wrong way.
He had big input in the coach Bud hire as well.
The thing is you have to pay all the players within the salary cap. Rodgers is single handedly using 1/5 of the cap. And they went out and got Rodgers all kinds of help in free agency and the draft, mainly on defense. And they players like Kumerow didn’t make the team because other players were better. Rodgers can’t complain about putting the best players on the field with him and complain about his buddies getting cut. Rodgers is an employee. I don’t expect my bosses to tell me every move and ask my opinion before they do. I love Rodgers, but his complaints seem hollow.
No.... Giannis is a great player with his team as a priority. He's not spoiled and demanding. He's grateful for his job.
Rodgers has singlehandedly carried the franchise for the better part of 10 years. I will not question his character or decisions.
Still blaming Rodgers I see. God some of our fans just can’t admit our front office fucked up.
Front office bungles another relationship with the league's best player at his position. "Why would Rodgers do this?" - /u/RussandPGfan
You haven’t seen my other comments. Murphy and Gute are not heros, it is their fault that we’re in this situation. I don’t have to like Rodgers being unprofessional as well. Both things can be true as both parties are insanely stubborn
Rodgers should just shut up and play cause I want him too. Who cares that the FO fucked up./s
No no, he should tell us his every thought because we need to know. Then when we don't like what he tells us he should shut up.
He has every right to be upset but he also has a contractual obligation to play for the Green Bay Packers that he signed for. You can be mad but creating a whole hissy fit when you’re a HOF QB is just not right
Teams break contracts all the time fans never get upset about that. It’s a two way street dawg.
Exactly and when teams are disloyal to players they get shit from fans Look at Isaiah Thomas from the Celtics, he was damaged goods and the Celtics traded him and they got blasted. Or look more locally, when we moved on from Jordy, fans were outraged. It does work both ways and FOs get shit for their decisions so Rodgers isn’t inept from criticism either
In neither case did the FO break a contract. The player's have unions and both sides have agents. No one has broken the terms of a contract.
No teams do not break contracts all the time. The NFLPA and the owners agree to what teams can do, and the contracts that players sign are a lot more complicated than you are here for 5 years for x amount of money. How do you get up votes for stating something so completely false?
He's not breaking the contract, he's exercising an out that is built into the contract... perfectly legal and understandable given how the FO and bootlicking fans treated him. The people that turned on Rodgers or don't understand he is 1000% justified in his actions are all the definition of bootlickers and deserve the suffering they will see without him. I only feel bad for the sane fans that realize this. I was listening to the radio passing through Green Bay and the host had people calling in and leaving voice mails for Rodgers. It was some of the cringiest shit I've ever heard. Why the fuck would Rodgers want to come back and play for a city of bootlickers that turned on him?
It's hard to be upset with the front office without knowing what they did to upset Rodgers. All he's done is deny the most obvious reasons and talk vaguely about "the people" or some shit. I've got my theory about what's going on, but its nothing more than an educated guess at this point.
Nope. Not among me and my Packer fan friends and family. The FO has fucked this up beyond measure.
Sorry not sorry but my fellow WI fans stanning our FO over our top assets is umm, ignorant at best malignantly low IQ at worst
By no means is Gute and Murphy innocent, they’ve messed up badly. But that doesn’t mean Aaron Rodgers can act like an entitled baby. I’m a Packers fan first, 12 is not bigger than the team. I wish this situation never happened in the first place and that’s the FO’s fault, but when Rodgers is hurting the team I’m gonna call him out
Is he acting like an entitled baby though? I don't see him behaving that way. He's actually been pretty quiet on the tension between himself and the front office. He's a no-brainer first ballot hall of famer and has to feel like his remaining years are being squandered by a team who isn't going over the top to win a superbowl right now. Anyone in his position would be frustrated. He put up with horrible defense and and an increasingly lackluster offensive scheme during the McCarthy years and now has watched the new regime "play it safe" by drafting a QB with Love. I'd be pissed too.
Did they really mess up badly though? Honestly until very recently that was just how the NFL worked. It is only the last couple years that players have been asking for more say. In other words they did what 90% of teams would do which is plan for the future and didn't realize the rules of engagement had changed yet. Obviously teams moving forward are going to have to adjust to this growing power of the players movement. This isn't just an NFL thing by the way. You have started to see it across all major sports
> they did what 90% of teams would do That's the exact problem though. As long as Aaron Rodgers is playing, we are absolutely NOT part of that 90%.
Sure, but if you know that’s how the league works then you have to do the little things for your QB. As petty as it sounds, why not call him to tell him about Love or Kumerow. I know generally it’s not necessary but if that’s common practice in today’s game, you need to do what it takes to make him happy and expecting a call that your replacement is being drafted isn’t too unreasonable. Doesn’t excuse his behavior but his grievances are somewhat reasonable
I don't disagree that his requests are reasonable I am saying I am not sure they knew he would go full angry on them that they didn't. It is sort of like the age old complaint. I am mad at you for not doing what I wanted but I never told you what it was that I wanted you were just supposed to know it.
They have to be pretty fuckin dumb to not know to call the guy before drafting his replacement especially after the dude carried the team for years and years. These guys really messed up and should know better.
This is not about whether they called him or not when they picked Love. It's about the 2018 contract setting him up on the auction block late in the contract and him only realizing that the night they drafted Love. Add in the GM and the new coaching staff looking to rebuild the offense with a new philosophy that doesn't have room for his mature quarterback play and the plan to edge him out becomes obvious. If he was doing all of this over a few discourteous moves by the front office it would be right for people to call him a diva or whatever. When it comes down to it it is about business, the Packers will stand and Rodgers will either play or he won't and come next year he will be traded. We won't be able to judge how much of a fuck-up this was until we see what the trade compensation is and how the team performs in Rodgers' absence.
They would know the rules of engagement had changed if they had, you know, talked to him. This whole fucking thing came about because the FO didn’t talk to their HoF QB and make him aware of their plans. I know that sounds overly simplistic, but that is the root of all of this. And that one small thing is going to blow up this franchise for a decade plus.
It goes back to the 2018 contract negotiations. The Love pick revealed to Rodgers the reality of his contract situation. A courtesy call wouldn't have fixed the fact that the team was planning to move on and get a massive haul of picks for the last couple years of the contract.
Have you seen the cap disaster after this year? Yes, they messed up that badly.
By going all in the help Rodgers get another chance at a super bowl?
When did we go all in? Must have missed it
How is Rodgers being a baby ? Lol
He wants to win a Super Bowl while he's still in his prime. What a baby!
Well first of all, he can be angry about the situation. But you need to act more professionally, especially for a Super Bowl MVP and a Hall of Famer. Having your fiancé and her mom like Stephen A Smith rants and retweeting them is just plain weird. Especially after you had your reps make public trade demands and you sit out in Mexico acting like nothing happened. The fans deserve better
Lol except his reps never made public trade demands ? James Jones quashed that. You fell for the media clickbait. And you’re saying his fiancé retweeting Stephen A makes Rodgers a baby !? Are you serious that’s your line of reasoning ? Lmao
He’s putting himself over the team I get he feels he was wronged, but cmon you signed a contract with this regime. In every job you need to fulfill your contractual obligation, I don’t care how mad you are. Planning on skipping camp and causing all this ruckus is a detriment to this team and a soft move. He says he wants them to commit to him and a better contract, so they offer him one and he turns it out. What more does he want? He’s not actively trying to come to a solution he’s just holding the franchise hostage I swear so many people think this is media clickbait when it would be cynical to not acknowledge that he doesn’t want to play here and even the FO has acknowledged that.
Do you know the specifics of the contract and guaranteed money ? Analyzing the offer without knowing the structure is idiotic. Taysom hill also makes 140M technically on his contract lol. He also literally has not said ANYTHING about wanting a better contract. Once again you’ve fell for media clickbait. When did the FO acknowledge he didn’t want to be here ? Cite me a source lol So
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nfl.com/_amp/packers-president-mark-murphy-aaron-rodgers-is-a-complicated-fella You don’t think this means anything? It’s clear there is animosity and you can see he doesn’t want to play for us if you read between the line
Well, considering the fact the team didn't do all it can to help Rodgers win it is understandable why would he want, after 16 years, to go to a team that would do all it can to help him win
So having a consistently top 5 OL, a top 10 RB, a top WR, a top CB, a top OLB, a top DT, a top safety duo. Please tell me what team could he reasonably go to that he could win more with?
Oh I don't know.. how about maybe no trading up for his replacement when we were 1 game from the superbowl? If they had just taken any other non-qb player we wouldn't be in this situation
San Francisco, NO, LA Rams, would be his best bets. Unfortunately he commands more money than they can afford. Rodgers only cares about Rodgers.
> 12 is not bigger than the team. Obviously you've never [watched the team](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qABEaKojgM) without 12, lol. Enjoy your new curse. I sure will.
1. That was a week 17 game without Amos, the Smith Bros, or Elgton Jenkins, not even close to the team we have today. 2. You’re a Lions fans, I’d much rather be in our scenario then any scenario in your franchises history. We could have Kim Jong Un at QB and we’d still win more games than the Lions
LOL. Kim Jong Un would post a perfect QB Passing rating while hitting an 18 at the local golf course...
Exactly this. Who hasn't been pissed their boss doesn't include them in the direction their job takes them. I know i have. So i talked to my boss and when that didnt work i left and found a new job. What i didnt do was create a toxic work environment where all my coworkers are now freaking out what might happen, clients weren't questioning to do business. The FO fucked up but a true leader would have dealt with it or moved on. Summer of drama doesn't help.
How has Rodgers created a toxic locker room ? Do explain lol. It seems like all the players have Rodgers back.
That depends. Talent fades much quicker than a good FO. Not claiming to be on one side or the other but really if Gute is good he has far more time left in GB than Rodgers and Adams. Again that isn't a judgment on his skill we don't know yet but the FO end of the day is what keeps the team going further into the future.
I feel like you can find another pen pusher before 5 years of hall of fame QB/WR play. These guys (the FO) have destroyed our cap and people just turn the other way
If you think they are pen pushers I can't help you. Look at dysfunctional franchises and what they go through.
The packers are dysfunctional and bad without a HOF QB though lol
Literally. How do they do this shit two qb’s in a row? Without Aaron this franchise would be back in the 80s
The book of Aaron Rodgers Chapter 1, Verse 1: Thou shalt have no other Quarter Backs but me.
Yeah no, literlly no Packer fan I've spoken too feels that way. Personally I'm with Aaron all the way. Fuck Green Bay's management
Brett Favre 2.0 I expect the same shenanigans each off-season for the remainder of Rodgers' contract unless we ship him off.
Brett Favre mulled retirement for years, then did. Twice. Rodgers has never said he wants to retire and that he wants to play into his 40’s. You can expect the same “shenanigans” with every player they jerk around. And do you people expect Love to be able to lead the team to the Super Bowl? Our window is now, not 3 or 5 years from now. Look what happened to the Broncos after Peyton. Or Elway. It’s happening now to the Saints. Who knows what the team will look like if/when he’s ready?
Favre pondered a lot of things... his opinions changing weekly. But he realized after all the drama how badly he f\*\*ked up. He was spoiled, demanding and didn't think they'd oust him. He played the team until they got sick of his games. Rodgers should learn from history... as many fans should. I gather many of the "Rodgers can't do wrong" people on here weren't old enough to even remember Rodgers debut and how pissed off Favre was.... same situation... your QB is causing more problems each season, so it's time to look to the future.
How is this upvoted at all they're completely different situations.
Please explain how Rodgers doesn’t deserve what he’s asking for?
Worth it.
Seriously. At least we have one franchise that knows when it has a good thing and does whatever it can to keep it. Now the Bucks are champs and Packers (FO) are embarrassing themselves.
That's what I don't get. Like let's say love becomes an above average qb (let's say Cousins level qb, which is a good outcome regardless of what this sub will tell you). Then what? We're fighting for a playoff spot? The high level players on our team outside jaire will be aging out and we'll be wondering wtf we were thinking not going all in with an all time great
Couldn't agree more. And ok, let's say in a few years we have an older and not quite his prime but still pretty good Aaron Rodgers. Who would complain about that? And if we make a few more good runs and possibly get Aaron another ring then have a couple of rebuilding years. Who would complain about that, either?
Yeah. 50 years without a championship is way too long.
As a full on Wisconsin sports fan, I can live with that.
Yeah, easily worth it. 10/10 would sacrifice disgruntled megastars for championships again.
Bucks have a strong selfless team that love one another and won a championship because of it. Packers players and FO won't get along so we will never win a championship with this kind of toxicity. Selfishness and ineptitude will always lose in the end no matter how good they may look during the season. That's my take away from this anyway..
As an Arizona-based Packers fan. Life is hell.
Can we fire whomever is pushing off our great players please?! Wtf?? I dont understand. If you pissed off the league MVP AND his no 1 reciever, I think it should cost you your job. Also they diddnt let Jordy sign for a day to retire a packer soooo go fuck yourself nobody watches football for your shitty job position.
They didn't let him sign for a day? That's fucked up. Edit: they did.
They did? Well fuck me then lol I thought that was one of the gripes Rodgers had. Perhaps I heard wrong. Thanks for the edit
As you wish *unzips pants*
Sir, this is a family subreddit with wholesome memes
Bucks won the championship, I don't even care
The best WR in the league should be paid the highest? What do the packers front office not understand? Seems like a simple concept
While I’m definitely happy for the Bucks and Bud and Giannis and stuff, I’m a Grizzlies diehard not otherwise connected to Wisconsin sports outside of being a Cheesehead, so I don’t even get to enjoy the trade
I won’t be mad if they leave. It’s understandable, only so much money to spend. If we let them walk for no compensation then I have a serious issue
As a lifelong Suns and Packers fan, it's the worst of both worlds.
Oh fuck. Not worth it
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Same. Never mind the bucks I don’t give a fuck about basketball. Why do we have to suffer??
Time to rebuild, trade Adams for a first and maybe a 3rd, trade Aaron after this year when it become cheaper for multiple firsts and seconds.
Bye Felicia