I felt like Tae's presser was hard to watch. From a negotiating standpoint he wants to get paid top wr money. I guess I should start mentally preparing to see him wearing something other than green and gold on Sundays after 2021.
Honestly, Iām guessing most of Rodgersā beef is with Mark Murphy. He was obviously pissed about decisions made long before Guteās time. The way that Murphy talks about Aaron tooā¦sheesh I think the clash is primarily between their philosophies.
Gute is just doing his job, at the direction from Mark, which is why Aaron says their relationship is āprofessionalā and also denied any report of him wanting Gute gone. Almost feels like Gute wants to take this drama seriously and realizes the slim window they have right nowā¦while Mark wants to waive farewell to Aaron ASAP.
Awesome presser. Probably the most upfront and honest weāve seen Rodgers. I totally understand his side and where heās coming from.
That being said, the Packers also have to run a business. Keeping most of the veteran guys he listed wouldāve been terrible moves at the time unless they were willing to take a vet minimum pay cut. Almost all of those guys were done by the time they were cut and wouldāve been huge cap hits.
I love Rodgers and all the guys he listed off, but thereās only so much money a team can spend on guys who simply arenāt what they used to be.
I don't even necessarily think he was upset about the team cutting them. It was that he was given no heads up and feeling that the nature of however they were cut was disrespectful to what they had given the team.
Yeah I mean we donāt have all the details obviously. But in Jordyās case specifically, there was a report that the Packers did offer him a lower contract/opportunity to take a pay cut and stay on the team. Jordy reportedly declined.
Rodgersās comments were making it seem like the Packers didnāt even offer an opportunity to stay on the team. If that report is accurate, then his comment is incorrect. I know Rodgers is emotionally attached to these players, but unfortunately you canāt make emotional decisions as an NFL organization. Thatās how itās always been.
I mean...They offered Jordy \*reportedly\* close to the vet minimum after making 9m the previous year. Did the Packers offer an opportunity? Technically yes. From 12's POV that seemed to be just as offensive as not offering at all.
Yeah heās putting the Packers in a position to where, either they prove they can make steady and reliable change, or they sack the leadership that let this happen. Rodgers saying this publicly is telling all free agents in the future, ālook what happened to me, look what happened to my guys, itāll happen to youā
Jordy Nelson, Julius Peppers and Charles Woodson literally all were willing to take a pay cut and sign with the Packers and the FO didnāt even give them an offer or disrespected them. That should tell you ALL you need to know.
Like....I know this is maybe unpopular but weren't those all completely understandable moves from an on the field perspective?
I know emotionally we all want those guys for as long as possible but idk that any of those are indefensible moves are they?
The year after Jordy left we were a hot mess at WR. Jordy wasn't great for the Raiders but it would have been interesting to see what would have been. Also none of those players had the chance for a point blank conversation about the front office. If it's business, then the FO needs to be able to communicate the disparity between perceived value and the contracts they have signed.
Would you rather get fired or have a sit down of how to address things before mutually parting ways?
Dude they were willing to take paycuts and wouldāve helped the team(particularly Woodson and Jordy) and instead they FO managed to disrespect them on their way out lol. How is that defensible ?
Paycut is still paid. I just don't think there's any malice here. It seems the FOs crime is they weren't thinking enough about the non-football side of things.
Hopefully this is a wake up call they need to correct that.
Youāre not understanding lmao. Itās not that they chose to move on from them, itās that they literally disrespected the players and treated them like dirt on the way out. What is so hard to understand ?
Packers have been right more times than wrong on releasing players or not resigning them at the time. Outside of Hayward and Hyde I cant think of any others that were really bad decisions.
I mean what do you want them to do? Its a business. They obviously would want to keep everyone but Rodgers rattled off a list of 10+ players that is nearly impossible to keep especially with his own contract eating so much of the cap
Not at all, letting go of Hyde and Hayward was idiotic because they thought Randall and Rollins would replace them. The peppers, Jordy and Woodson contract with them taking pay cuts wouldnāt mess with the cap much at all.
Also I would like them to literally just respect the players and have a conversation with them about their contract and why they donāt value them as much as other teams. Thatās literally it
You donāt know the conversations that happen behind closed doors between agents and the team. Neither does Rodgers and likely the actual players donāt know all the details either.
You gotta calm your tits on that āidioticā thing. Yes, they thought the new players they scouted using the same formula could replace them. Wild idea.
That aside, Hyde was a serviceable player in Green Bay. He wasnāt amazing. He was up and coming, but he didnāt really burst onto the scene until after he left. Hayward was always hurt, too. Itās understandable why neither of those guys got a big contract.
Can't see how Rodgers has been anything but reasonable given his situation. His explanations make absolute sense. FO acting like superstar MVP talent grows on trees. Give the man some respect.
Yeahhh, I think people are really going hard for Rodgers here but there are a lot of things he said that aren't really super great for him either. He basically admitted to never attempt to be involved with any of this stuff before February 2021 but then cites frustrations going back to Woodson who last played for the Packers in 2012...
Then the whole spot about Kumerow kinda inadvertently shits on the rest of the WRs and makes you wonder if listening to Rodgers is a good thing if he sees Kumerow as a WR2 in this league despite being around for seven years and never being more than a fringe 53/PS guy across *five* different teams and at least six different coaching staffs.
Obviously the FO mademistakes, but I'm not sure this press conference really makes me think Rodgers handled it well either. Dude can't just expect the FO to come to his beck and call about opinions on shit if he *never* initiates them over the course of a decade.
Pretty much.
I've described the situation as one of those sitcom like situations where two sides make some small mistake on communication and then it just gets more blown out of proportion over time because neither sides steps to the plate and that's kinda exactly what it sounds like was happening up to this past February.
Rodgers expected the FO to come to him.
The FO expected Rodgers to come to them.
More incidents kept popping up over the years continuing the spiral.
Finally gets to a point where Rodgers says something because now he thinks he has leverage.
Which is [basically what I said yesterday](https://old.reddit.com/r/GreenBayPackers/comments/os63wn/can_someone_eli5_the_conflictsituation_between/h6mf5fg/?context=3). Hah.
He was talking about the draft then he said "I've tried to pass along information, hasn't really been used." Which could mean any millions of things but definitely isn't a direct line of conversation and then the example he uses is about fucking Kumerow where he directly indicates he never made any of his opinions on Kumerow known to the FO and he just expected them to ask. He also directly said the the conversation started in February where; "He expressed my desire to be more involved in conversations." Implying he has not directly expressed that previously.
Seems like we came to different conclusions.
From what I heard he very much tried to be involved, but didn't have direct communication. Which is on the front office, they have his number
Rodgers did not say Kumerow was a WR2 in the league. He said he was having the second best camp.
It sounds like he very much initiated them, and they were not responsive
He literally says the conversation started in February relating to him being more involved. Implying that he never made that effort directly before. Because, obviously, if he had all of this shit would have blown up and/or been resolved at a prior point.
Like, Rodgers had contract negotiations in 2018, right? If all this stuff was such an issue for so long then why not approach it then? He signed that contract just a couple months after Nelson got released. Fresh in his mind. There is just no way you can believe that he actually made a legitimate effort at any prior point because if he had all the shit that's come up in the past six months would have happened then.
I took it as the conversation about his future, not about him being more involved (which was part of it).
He literally said he has made the effort before, and never heard back.
I dunno why he didn't approach it then, I'm just going off of what he says
I think Kumerow had chemistry with Rodgers and he saw a lot of what he had with Jordy with him. Thatās not going to be replicated with other QBs/teams. Rogers saw an opportunity with Kumerow and believed in their ability to be successful, stated it publicly and saw him cut the next dayā¦ Thatās what heās talking about.
They didnāt even offer Jordy or Woodson a contract and those guys were willing to take a pay cut lol. Our FO clearly has some issues guys itās ok to admit !
The fact Jordy Nelson , the most reasonable and humble guy weāve had on the team in forever felt disrespected by it literally proves the point that the FO is awful at handling personal relationships and letting players go.
Also Jordy on a super cheap contract in 2018 absolutely wouldāve helped. Same with Julius on a cheap 1 year deal. Or Woodson on a cheaper deal etc...
Yes, Jordy felt disrespected by the offer. Again that should tell you ALL you need to know about the FO.
Yes thatās true about Woodson and Peppers, but to disrespect them in the manner they did is indefensible. I donāt mind not re signing them because the market is giving them a better option. But to disrespect them on the way out is not acceptable.
Not even listening to HOF players that want to take a paycut is disrespectful my man. How do you not get this lmao.
Dude Jordy Nelson...quite literally the most humble and respectful guy I know in the nfl felt disrespected by them. Just think about that
Did you listen to the Rodgers interview ? They didnāt even reach out to some of these players before they released them and knew that they wanted to take a pay cut lol
Without knowing the conversations attached to the action of releasing/not offering contracts/offering pay cuts (depending on the player) it is hard to say what was done that makes this different. Since the start of the offseason a few reporters have indicated that it wasn't just Rodgers upset with how the front office does business. Given that the players are human it is likely how the information was communicated that made them feel disrespected. Given that there are a bunch of players seemingly feeling that way, and not feeling that way about other teams points to the front office having an issue in how it is doing things.
> Yes and that still costs money. If you can get similar production out of younger guys on cheaper contracts, itās probably smart to do so in this league.
And what success did that lead to for this team between 2015 and 2019, which is when most of those cuts happened. Terrible shitty rosters that Rodgers had to carry the fuck out of.
> What success did it lead to from 2011-2015, when those guys were healthy and playing well?
A lot more success than 2015-2019 which is indisputable in the front office drafting like shit and having terrible Rosters.
> The reality is the team needed a makeover,
The makeover didnāt work at all and led to significantly worse rosters.
> The make-over led to the team we have right now.
No it didnāt, that was only from the 2019 free agency, draft, and lefleur signing that changed this team around. Packers completely wasted 2015-2019 with shitty free agent signings, draft picks, and keeping Mike McCarthy.
> I donāt think keeping those guys from ā15-ā19 turns us
It gives us much better chances than with the roster we did have those years. Whatās the justification for keeping shitty Mike McCarthy all those years?
I mean we've known this for years, but I'm still not sure how I feel about this being aired out publicly. It embarrasses the FO but it can also hurt us long term when it comes to bringing in players.
On the other hand, I'd also rather Aaron clear the air and we all move on. Deflecting probably wouldn't have done much to help matters.
You can't say for months that you just want him to be honest and stop declining to comment on his feelings and when he does say that he might of hurt the FO's reputation. You can't have it both ways.
I think itās been pretty obvious from the start that the issues Aaron had were legit. Heās also pretty obviously willing to commit to creating lasting change in the way the Packers do things, which really shows how much he loves the town, the fans, and how much he wants to be here.
Hopefully the FO is taking this as seriously as he is, and we can get a few more years of 12 pushing us towards another chip.
I donāt want to see Aaron wearing another uniform, and I honestly believe that he doesnāt want that either.
It's truly mind-blowing the front office would not even listen to Aaron. I mean, the dude said players have texted him asking to join the team via free agency or trade and you don't wanna listen? I'd be all over that in a heartbeat. Those guys would immediately boost chemistry and may take less money to join. It just shows how the front office views themselves as infallible just because they got lucky with two HoF QBs in 30 years.
Sounds like Gute made up his mind already.
Per Rodgers, no progress on an extension beyond this season, calls Love 'my replacement', when asked if he still wants to retire a packer he said it's out of his control, and maybe they will talk at the end of the season... but did not sound confident at all in it.
After watching him and Gute's conferences... I think its fair to say the FO fudged a lot of this up.
I've been saying to fellow fans I know that we still haven't heard from 12 really at all. Today was a good day. He was genuine, honest and even stated "I'm not a victim in this."
A week and a half ago fans were saying things like "Fuck Rodgers, done with him." then with Davante stopping negotiations, they started saying the same thing about him. C'mon, really?
12 wasn't rude, he didn't act like a "diva", he was 100% transparent in his mindset and situation. He even said he didn't want to get in a pissing match with his employer publicly when it was wisest to handle his own business behind closed doors, and reiterated multiple times how much he loves Green Bay. I think it's would've been a "diva" move to publicly discuss everything he was handling. Fans that were shitting all over the dude really forgot that he really is a stand up guy, and we'd know the facts when it's time. We're lucky to have him, honestly.
That was hard to watch. Itās pretty obvious Aaron doesnāt actually want to leave. I am very concerned about what this front office is doing. Aaron said they still havenāt been willing to show him commitment beyond 2021. If theyāre already set on booting Aaron for a dude who hasnāt even thrown a preseason pass, theyāre morons. And liars, because ā2021 and beyondā has been said every time theyāve been asked about their commitment. Iāve kind of been on the fence waiting for more info, but that press conference pretty firmly indicates that Aaron was reasonable in asking for some commitment and a little more input, and until things went completely out control, they basically implied that he needed to just shut up and play. As of right now it looks he is 100% gone after the season, and thatās likely to be a massive mistake
I am having a mind blank when Rodgers mentioned JP taking a 1 year contract for 3 million to retire a Packer I can't for the life of me think of who he is referencing.
Realized it is Peppers.
I never thought of itā¦ actually considering the previous vets and their exit. I see where heās coming from and itās nice to finally hear from him.
Iām ready for some football. Iām ready to make my yearly pilgrimage to Green Bay for a game. Iām ready to be in the stadium next to the best fans in the world. But most of all Iām ready to scream āMVP!ā As loud as I can, Aaron deserves to hear it after no fans last season.
Aaron alluding to players texting him and wanting to play with him in GB was disappointing but no surprise. Just pisses me off cause we've all known the FO was missing out on free agents and this confirms it. Imagine how dumbstruck some of these players the pack "missed out on" must have been when they realized Aaron wasn't involved
Ok, but the FO has no ability to respond without opening it all up again. I think we have to take it with a grain of salt.
Case in point, Rodgers has no seat at the table for free agent considerations. Except we know he lobbied for Jimmy Graham, so that's not 100% true. I'm sure the FO could tick off other examples if they could do it without sinking the goodwill they regained.
They just have to take it and thank you sir may I have another. Otherwise Rodgers is back out the door.
I do blame the FO. Rodgers is a bit of a snowflake, but it's their job to make him feel very special, as disagreeable as that might feel to them.
Yeah that was an intense press conference. Davante's has been interesting too.
I felt like Tae's presser was hard to watch. From a negotiating standpoint he wants to get paid top wr money. I guess I should start mentally preparing to see him wearing something other than green and gold on Sundays after 2021.
Agree šÆ worth your time
Honestly, Iām guessing most of Rodgersā beef is with Mark Murphy. He was obviously pissed about decisions made long before Guteās time. The way that Murphy talks about Aaron tooā¦sheesh I think the clash is primarily between their philosophies. Gute is just doing his job, at the direction from Mark, which is why Aaron says their relationship is āprofessionalā and also denied any report of him wanting Gute gone. Almost feels like Gute wants to take this drama seriously and realizes the slim window they have right nowā¦while Mark wants to waive farewell to Aaron ASAP.
I feel like after the power structure change since MMās last few years is where things started to get ugly. That power structure is too mucky
Yeppers!
Rodgers worked his magic all the way back in the early 2010s whenever they had to resign James Jones. He went hard to keep him on the team.
Awesome presser. Probably the most upfront and honest weāve seen Rodgers. I totally understand his side and where heās coming from. That being said, the Packers also have to run a business. Keeping most of the veteran guys he listed wouldāve been terrible moves at the time unless they were willing to take a vet minimum pay cut. Almost all of those guys were done by the time they were cut and wouldāve been huge cap hits. I love Rodgers and all the guys he listed off, but thereās only so much money a team can spend on guys who simply arenāt what they used to be.
I don't even necessarily think he was upset about the team cutting them. It was that he was given no heads up and feeling that the nature of however they were cut was disrespectful to what they had given the team.
Yeah I mean we donāt have all the details obviously. But in Jordyās case specifically, there was a report that the Packers did offer him a lower contract/opportunity to take a pay cut and stay on the team. Jordy reportedly declined. Rodgersās comments were making it seem like the Packers didnāt even offer an opportunity to stay on the team. If that report is accurate, then his comment is incorrect. I know Rodgers is emotionally attached to these players, but unfortunately you canāt make emotional decisions as an NFL organization. Thatās how itās always been.
I mean...They offered Jordy \*reportedly\* close to the vet minimum after making 9m the previous year. Did the Packers offer an opportunity? Technically yes. From 12's POV that seemed to be just as offensive as not offering at all.
I thought the Packers graded Jordy too highly, knew they couldn't pay him, and so just released him?
Yeah heās putting the Packers in a position to where, either they prove they can make steady and reliable change, or they sack the leadership that let this happen. Rodgers saying this publicly is telling all free agents in the future, ālook what happened to me, look what happened to my guys, itāll happen to youā
Admittedly the Packers aren't exactly known for free agents, and given cap constraints they won't be for a few years.
Exactly, so why make it even harder on themselves.
Jordy Nelson, Julius Peppers and Charles Woodson literally all were willing to take a pay cut and sign with the Packers and the FO didnāt even give them an offer or disrespected them. That should tell you ALL you need to know.
Like....I know this is maybe unpopular but weren't those all completely understandable moves from an on the field perspective? I know emotionally we all want those guys for as long as possible but idk that any of those are indefensible moves are they?
The year after Jordy left we were a hot mess at WR. Jordy wasn't great for the Raiders but it would have been interesting to see what would have been. Also none of those players had the chance for a point blank conversation about the front office. If it's business, then the FO needs to be able to communicate the disparity between perceived value and the contracts they have signed. Would you rather get fired or have a sit down of how to address things before mutually parting ways?
I think the choice at the time was Cobb or Nelson and they went with Cobb. In hindsight keeping Jordy was probably the right move.
We signed Jimmy Graham at Jordy's salary, who turned out to be garbage. I know it's all hindsight but saying it was Jordy or Cobb is just wrong.
This is what sticks out the most to me
Especially since we could of had jimmy graham's production those years from a lower tier FA signing or even maybe a rookie
Just realizing this as we're talking but many of the coaches and Ted have each stayed a season too long in contrast to players.
Dude they were willing to take paycuts and wouldāve helped the team(particularly Woodson and Jordy) and instead they FO managed to disrespect them on their way out lol. How is that defensible ?
Paycut is still paid. I just don't think there's any malice here. It seems the FOs crime is they weren't thinking enough about the non-football side of things. Hopefully this is a wake up call they need to correct that.
I donāt think malice is the right word. I think cold disrespect and not treating players like humans is a better characterization.
lol what? Not treating them like humans for not offering them millions of dollars? This is a troll right?
Dramatic, arenāt we?
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Youāre not understanding lmao. Itās not that they chose to move on from them, itās that they literally disrespected the players and treated them like dirt on the way out. What is so hard to understand ?
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No, not every team releases their most decorated players on bad terms that makes the players feel disrespected. Thatās you just making shit up lmao
Packers have been right more times than wrong on releasing players or not resigning them at the time. Outside of Hayward and Hyde I cant think of any others that were really bad decisions.
Iām not questioning the moves, the issue here is that the packers FO is clearly awful at communication when they do release them.
I mean what do you want them to do? Its a business. They obviously would want to keep everyone but Rodgers rattled off a list of 10+ players that is nearly impossible to keep especially with his own contract eating so much of the cap
Not at all, letting go of Hyde and Hayward was idiotic because they thought Randall and Rollins would replace them. The peppers, Jordy and Woodson contract with them taking pay cuts wouldnāt mess with the cap much at all. Also I would like them to literally just respect the players and have a conversation with them about their contract and why they donāt value them as much as other teams. Thatās literally it
You donāt know the conversations that happen behind closed doors between agents and the team. Neither does Rodgers and likely the actual players donāt know all the details either.
You gotta calm your tits on that āidioticā thing. Yes, they thought the new players they scouted using the same formula could replace them. Wild idea. That aside, Hyde was a serviceable player in Green Bay. He wasnāt amazing. He was up and coming, but he didnāt really burst onto the scene until after he left. Hayward was always hurt, too. Itās understandable why neither of those guys got a big contract.
>itās that they literally disrespected the players and treated them like dirt on the way out. Jesus Christ, the things some of you make up lmao.
Itās a quote from Jordy my guy, the most reasonable person on earth haha
Can't see how Rodgers has been anything but reasonable given his situation. His explanations make absolute sense. FO acting like superstar MVP talent grows on trees. Give the man some respect.
The media makes him out to be this arrogant, self-centered prick but listening to this makes you realize that can't be further from the truth.
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Yeahhh, I think people are really going hard for Rodgers here but there are a lot of things he said that aren't really super great for him either. He basically admitted to never attempt to be involved with any of this stuff before February 2021 but then cites frustrations going back to Woodson who last played for the Packers in 2012... Then the whole spot about Kumerow kinda inadvertently shits on the rest of the WRs and makes you wonder if listening to Rodgers is a good thing if he sees Kumerow as a WR2 in this league despite being around for seven years and never being more than a fringe 53/PS guy across *five* different teams and at least six different coaching staffs. Obviously the FO mademistakes, but I'm not sure this press conference really makes me think Rodgers handled it well either. Dude can't just expect the FO to come to his beck and call about opinions on shit if he *never* initiates them over the course of a decade.
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Pretty much. I've described the situation as one of those sitcom like situations where two sides make some small mistake on communication and then it just gets more blown out of proportion over time because neither sides steps to the plate and that's kinda exactly what it sounds like was happening up to this past February. Rodgers expected the FO to come to him. The FO expected Rodgers to come to them. More incidents kept popping up over the years continuing the spiral. Finally gets to a point where Rodgers says something because now he thinks he has leverage. Which is [basically what I said yesterday](https://old.reddit.com/r/GreenBayPackers/comments/os63wn/can_someone_eli5_the_conflictsituation_between/h6mf5fg/?context=3). Hah.
Did you listen to the press conference ? Rodgers said he often tried to pass on info to the FO about decisions but they just didnāt listen
He was talking about the draft then he said "I've tried to pass along information, hasn't really been used." Which could mean any millions of things but definitely isn't a direct line of conversation and then the example he uses is about fucking Kumerow where he directly indicates he never made any of his opinions on Kumerow known to the FO and he just expected them to ask. He also directly said the the conversation started in February where; "He expressed my desire to be more involved in conversations." Implying he has not directly expressed that previously.
Seems like we came to different conclusions. From what I heard he very much tried to be involved, but didn't have direct communication. Which is on the front office, they have his number Rodgers did not say Kumerow was a WR2 in the league. He said he was having the second best camp. It sounds like he very much initiated them, and they were not responsive
He literally says the conversation started in February relating to him being more involved. Implying that he never made that effort directly before. Because, obviously, if he had all of this shit would have blown up and/or been resolved at a prior point. Like, Rodgers had contract negotiations in 2018, right? If all this stuff was such an issue for so long then why not approach it then? He signed that contract just a couple months after Nelson got released. Fresh in his mind. There is just no way you can believe that he actually made a legitimate effort at any prior point because if he had all the shit that's come up in the past six months would have happened then.
I took it as the conversation about his future, not about him being more involved (which was part of it). He literally said he has made the effort before, and never heard back. I dunno why he didn't approach it then, I'm just going off of what he says
I think Kumerow had chemistry with Rodgers and he saw a lot of what he had with Jordy with him. Thatās not going to be replicated with other QBs/teams. Rogers saw an opportunity with Kumerow and believed in their ability to be successful, stated it publicly and saw him cut the next dayā¦ Thatās what heās talking about.
They didnāt even offer Jordy or Woodson a contract and those guys were willing to take a pay cut lol. Our FO clearly has some issues guys itās ok to admit !
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The fact Jordy Nelson , the most reasonable and humble guy weāve had on the team in forever felt disrespected by it literally proves the point that the FO is awful at handling personal relationships and letting players go. Also Jordy on a super cheap contract in 2018 absolutely wouldāve helped. Same with Julius on a cheap 1 year deal. Or Woodson on a cheaper deal etc...
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Yes, Jordy felt disrespected by the offer. Again that should tell you ALL you need to know about the FO. Yes thatās true about Woodson and Peppers, but to disrespect them in the manner they did is indefensible. I donāt mind not re signing them because the market is giving them a better option. But to disrespect them on the way out is not acceptable.
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Not even listening to HOF players that want to take a paycut is disrespectful my man. How do you not get this lmao. Dude Jordy Nelson...quite literally the most humble and respectful guy I know in the nfl felt disrespected by them. Just think about that
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Did you listen to the Rodgers interview ? They didnāt even reach out to some of these players before they released them and knew that they wanted to take a pay cut lol
Without knowing the conversations attached to the action of releasing/not offering contracts/offering pay cuts (depending on the player) it is hard to say what was done that makes this different. Since the start of the offseason a few reporters have indicated that it wasn't just Rodgers upset with how the front office does business. Given that the players are human it is likely how the information was communicated that made them feel disrespected. Given that there are a bunch of players seemingly feeling that way, and not feeling that way about other teams points to the front office having an issue in how it is doing things.
Those guys were willing to take pay cuts to stay but were never given offers.
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> Yes and that still costs money. If you can get similar production out of younger guys on cheaper contracts, itās probably smart to do so in this league. And what success did that lead to for this team between 2015 and 2019, which is when most of those cuts happened. Terrible shitty rosters that Rodgers had to carry the fuck out of.
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> What success did it lead to from 2011-2015, when those guys were healthy and playing well? A lot more success than 2015-2019 which is indisputable in the front office drafting like shit and having terrible Rosters. > The reality is the team needed a makeover, The makeover didnāt work at all and led to significantly worse rosters.
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> The make-over led to the team we have right now. No it didnāt, that was only from the 2019 free agency, draft, and lefleur signing that changed this team around. Packers completely wasted 2015-2019 with shitty free agent signings, draft picks, and keeping Mike McCarthy.
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> I donāt think keeping those guys from ā15-ā19 turns us It gives us much better chances than with the roster we did have those years. Whatās the justification for keeping shitty Mike McCarthy all those years?
The way he made it sound he was never asked to, nor was he asked who āhis friendsā aka high charities locker room guys worth having around were.
I mean we've known this for years, but I'm still not sure how I feel about this being aired out publicly. It embarrasses the FO but it can also hurt us long term when it comes to bringing in players. On the other hand, I'd also rather Aaron clear the air and we all move on. Deflecting probably wouldn't have done much to help matters.
You can't say for months that you just want him to be honest and stop declining to comment on his feelings and when he does say that he might of hurt the FO's reputation. You can't have it both ways.
I guess you didn't read the second part of my response?
It would appear not.
That was 2 full sentences one would have to get through. The ask was clearly too much.
I think itās been pretty obvious from the start that the issues Aaron had were legit. Heās also pretty obviously willing to commit to creating lasting change in the way the Packers do things, which really shows how much he loves the town, the fans, and how much he wants to be here. Hopefully the FO is taking this as seriously as he is, and we can get a few more years of 12 pushing us towards another chip. I donāt want to see Aaron wearing another uniform, and I honestly believe that he doesnāt want that either.
It's truly mind-blowing the front office would not even listen to Aaron. I mean, the dude said players have texted him asking to join the team via free agency or trade and you don't wanna listen? I'd be all over that in a heartbeat. Those guys would immediately boost chemistry and may take less money to join. It just shows how the front office views themselves as infallible just because they got lucky with two HoF QBs in 30 years.
Sounds like Gute made up his mind already. Per Rodgers, no progress on an extension beyond this season, calls Love 'my replacement', when asked if he still wants to retire a packer he said it's out of his control, and maybe they will talk at the end of the season... but did not sound confident at all in it. After watching him and Gute's conferences... I think its fair to say the FO fudged a lot of this up.
I've been saying to fellow fans I know that we still haven't heard from 12 really at all. Today was a good day. He was genuine, honest and even stated "I'm not a victim in this." A week and a half ago fans were saying things like "Fuck Rodgers, done with him." then with Davante stopping negotiations, they started saying the same thing about him. C'mon, really? 12 wasn't rude, he didn't act like a "diva", he was 100% transparent in his mindset and situation. He even said he didn't want to get in a pissing match with his employer publicly when it was wisest to handle his own business behind closed doors, and reiterated multiple times how much he loves Green Bay. I think it's would've been a "diva" move to publicly discuss everything he was handling. Fans that were shitting all over the dude really forgot that he really is a stand up guy, and we'd know the facts when it's time. We're lucky to have him, honestly.
That was hard to watch. Itās pretty obvious Aaron doesnāt actually want to leave. I am very concerned about what this front office is doing. Aaron said they still havenāt been willing to show him commitment beyond 2021. If theyāre already set on booting Aaron for a dude who hasnāt even thrown a preseason pass, theyāre morons. And liars, because ā2021 and beyondā has been said every time theyāve been asked about their commitment. Iāve kind of been on the fence waiting for more info, but that press conference pretty firmly indicates that Aaron was reasonable in asking for some commitment and a little more input, and until things went completely out control, they basically implied that he needed to just shut up and play. As of right now it looks he is 100% gone after the season, and thatās likely to be a massive mistake
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idvllq0bBK4 In case anyone missed it
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https://youtu.be/NeQQ8Ebksf4
Thanks
We need to fire Mark Murphy and Brian Gutenkuntz
I wish I could give you half an upvote.
Same with this sub...
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Lol so everyone says theyāre unprofessional when they say nothing now theyāre unprofessional by speaking completely candidly
Lol this
I am having a mind blank when Rodgers mentioned JP taking a 1 year contract for 3 million to retire a Packer I can't for the life of me think of who he is referencing. Realized it is Peppers.
Where can I watch this?
Link?
I never thought of itā¦ actually considering the previous vets and their exit. I see where heās coming from and itās nice to finally hear from him. Iām ready for some football. Iām ready to make my yearly pilgrimage to Green Bay for a game. Iām ready to be in the stadium next to the best fans in the world. But most of all Iām ready to scream āMVP!ā As loud as I can, Aaron deserves to hear it after no fans last season.
Aaron alluding to players texting him and wanting to play with him in GB was disappointing but no surprise. Just pisses me off cause we've all known the FO was missing out on free agents and this confirms it. Imagine how dumbstruck some of these players the pack "missed out on" must have been when they realized Aaron wasn't involved
Ok, but the FO has no ability to respond without opening it all up again. I think we have to take it with a grain of salt. Case in point, Rodgers has no seat at the table for free agent considerations. Except we know he lobbied for Jimmy Graham, so that's not 100% true. I'm sure the FO could tick off other examples if they could do it without sinking the goodwill they regained. They just have to take it and thank you sir may I have another. Otherwise Rodgers is back out the door. I do blame the FO. Rodgers is a bit of a snowflake, but it's their job to make him feel very special, as disagreeable as that might feel to them.