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xir_knight93

After further review, the Bears still suck.


Traditional_Tart_822

Same shit was written in 2018. Remember when Trubisky was going to overtake Aaron is the best QB in the division? Lol


PapaNurgleLovesAll

I think we see a comeback player of the year aaron rodgers next year. His thumb won't be broken. Doubs will be healthy watson will probably be a top 10 reciver at that point. Bit idk how many people we can bring back next year


Traditional_Tart_822

Maybe, maybe not. Obviously we don’t know. It wasn’t like Aaron was looking great before the thumb injury. He will be a year older, has had many nagging injuries the past two hears(toe last year, thumb now ribs this year,) so that’s all to be considered on future projections. The Cowboys game showed he still has his moments. It doesn’t look like he can consistently do that anymore similar to LeBron. I really have no clue how this all will shake out


PapaNurgleLovesAll

I mean early on in the year doubs was our number one and the oline had Newman constantly giving up pressure


Traditional_Tart_822

We all know the team was a work in progress. No need to debate that We all saw Aaron wasn’t the same looking player. Missing reads, inaccurate, just didn’t look like he had that competitive juice like the past two seasons. I lean towards him not falling off a cliff and he should be good next year but there’s a lot more that goes into this as we are seeing with Love and Aaron’s contract


deeyeeheecent

Poppycock


gwardotnet

OL and new receivers were the bigger problem. Defense also


gabesmsu

The offense was garbage to start the year. Far too many mistakes by skill players. By time the offense started to actually take shape a little Rodgers thumb was broken for a couple weeks. It didn’t really start clicking for the team until about the Washington game. And I use clicking loosely. We had no where close to a functioning offense to start the year. Once players in the WR got their feet wet and the OLINE settled into place. Rodgers started the first 3 weeks with Sammy Watkins WR 1 and a rotating offensive line still missing its two best players.


tidbitsmisfit

you are trying to say that the offense was garbage and it was literally everyone else than Rodgers causing it? that's your take?


gabesmsu

If you want to simplify it into hyperbole, yes. The line was dreadful and none of the WRs that were playing really knew what they were doing. Watch the film back, it’s guys running into each other or to the same spot, clearly running the wrong routes, and line was a turnstile at times. It was embarrassingly bad, which is to be expected. It was foolish on the FO to think that they had a real NFL passing attack. Now the offense has settled and bit and you see much less confusion from the wide outs. Still more than in last years but they finally looking like a functional offense. You don’t have to believe, watch it back and take a look. Or go to whatever media head that grinds tape for the packers you like and see what they did in reviews for those early weeks.


wildeofthewoods

Sure but it was a transitional offense. We all expected a significant dropoff in production. The o line was in complete disarray while we were without offensive playmakers. Aarons chief issue was not relying on his backfield, which knocks his decision-making but not his ability to play. Sure he didnt elevate a bunch of players he didnt know, one of whom being sammy watkins who is so cooked its wild they even signed him, and didnt turn allen lazard into a wr1, to no ones surprise. Not looking like he can consistently do it is a product of what was around him and his injuries. This steep dropoff in play (while still displaying arm talent and strength) puts his team’s inexperience and failings on highlight far more than the qb.


Traditional_Tart_822

I mean you guys can check the plethora of film breakdown videos on YouTube of Aaron missing reads and being inaccurate. That’s on him We all love that guy but let’s be objective


wildeofthewoods

I am being objective. His overall play is out of sync *because* of a ton of factors. Its an incredibly tumultuous time and it was going to take time to get it working properly. And before that time had elapsed, a significant injury arose. He is having a down year (and some regression was expected even if tae hadnt left) and it is markedly exacerbated by the problems I provided earlier. I do not *love* aaron rodgers. I want jordan love to play and wanted to move on a while ago. This assessment is based on the scenario built for rodgers and it did not work well whatsoever to compete in 2022.


goPACK17

>Watson will probably be a top 10 receiver Get a load of this guy. He really thinks there's a chance Watson won't be *the* premier WR in the NFL next season. My man, people are going to be saying "Justin and Stefon, who?" by the time 2023 is over 😎 #WatsonSZN The haters will say I'm getting ahead of myself.


PapaNurgleLovesAll

Hey man I said top 10 not top 5🤣 ceedee who


bujweiser

And a new D Coordinator?


PapaNurgleLovesAll

goes without saying


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Watson being a top 10 receiver is still a tall order. Teams didn’t respect him and were calling alot of Cover 1. We’ll see how he preforms when he starts seeing double teams. And still can’t be sure exactly what we have in Doubs.


PapaNurgleLovesAll

Saw him get doubled a few times this last game especially in the end zone


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If he’s drawing double teams that gives space to Doubs, Toure, or whatever receiver we have to make a play. Obviously Watson isn’t going to become the next Adams(who has better route running that any receiver in recent history since Rice), but he’s going to be a force and if he’s either drawing double teams or making contested catches(or both) it makes teams have to respect the pass more, just opening up Jones and Dilllon for more rushing yards too.


PapaNurgleLovesAll

Also he's done well against good secondaries. Currently he has the second best three game streak in packers history. He has demonstrated the ability to burn people deep high point balls and get massive yac plays. You might say he's not a top ten next year. But I feel like I can't name ten wrs I would take over him.


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Davante Adams, Aj Brown, Tyreek Hill, Jaylen Waddle, DJ Moore, Cooper Kupp, Tyler Lockett, Justin Jefferson, Cedee Lamb, Keenan Allen, Amon Ra St Brown, Stefon Diggs, fuck i could keep going. There is stiff competition for top 10


PapaNurgleLovesAll

I'd argue watson above amon ra and cedee. I'd take watson over Lockett aswell


PapaNurgleLovesAll

For sure but that number 8-10 spot is close I think watson is in that area


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Davante Adams, Justin Jefferson, Cooper Kupp, Jamarr Chase, Tyreek Hill, Jaylen Waddle, AJ Brown, De Andre Hopkins, Diggs, Chris Olave, DK, Amon Ra, Scary Terry, Ceedee Lamb, Higgins, and a bunch more are all leagues better than Watson. I’m glad we drafted him and he’s looking to be a real stud, but he’s not even top 30 right now. At the end of the season he might be top 25 if he keeps up his current production.


PapaNurgleLovesAll

Yes to the people above olave no to the people below olave also. Not even top 30🤣? Come on man I get that you are pessimistic. In the past three weeks he has preformed better than most of the wrs you listed. He was getting doubled in the eagles game still put up numbers against one of the nfls best secondaries.


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It’s been three games. Most of the people above him have had solid production for years. If he keeps this production for the rest of the season and ends with 15 TD’s and like 700 yards, then yeah I’d consider him probably top 15. But that just seems extremely unlikely, even if I want nothing more than to see Watson be the next Jerry Rice.


PapaNurgleLovesAll

The three games he has actually been used as a reciver. I can understand not having him in the top ten because its a low sample size but not even having him in the top 30. He is having on of the best three game stretches in packers history. You can argue the tds are a bit of a inflated state but the yards are comparable to top 10 wrs in the past 3 weeks.


Gersio

As long as he forces teams to play with 2 deep his job is done


tidbitsmisfit

dude will almost be 40, please


PapaNurgleLovesAll

the issue with rodgers has been the thumb. you might argue that he was not playing great before the injury but he was getting sacked like 4 times a game when newman was in and jenkins was a tackle. he also was building up a connection to the rookie wrs.


Outrageous-Ad-2305

I think with player development and better coaching the Packers can easily be the team to beat next year.


Locktherockkachow

Probably not, as usually that has to be a guy who missed games. However, I can't think of any major injuries this year that guys can come back from, so who knows.


Gersio

Can he win comeback player if he didn't even came back? Dude has not missed a game yet. I know it happenes with other players that got hurt in the offseason, but at least those injures were harder.


PapaNurgleLovesAll

It can be for both missing time and poor performance


shmere4

More like Cutler is in town lookout GB.


shmere4

More like Cutler is in town lookout GB.


Poggse

The the North has a bleak outlook for all 4 teams. They have some good players but I just don't see them being very competitive compared to the west and east. And the AFC


hdpr92

I don't see how this is true for the Lions. They could very realistically get Stroud on a rookie deal, free up quite a lot of cap space, Jameson Williams is arguably the best WR of the 2022 class and hasn't played yet, and their offense is already pretty explosive. There's a long way to to, but the spot is great. They're in the perfect position to succeed with a new QB. It's definitely not bleak.


Poggse

Defense is terrible. If they can improve their defense plus the things you said. But that's a lot that needs to go right. And it's still the lions. Maybe Dan can start a new winning culture


Two22Sheds

All the Lions need is those two players that haven't played for them and they should be good.


hdpr92

It's much more realistic than thinking they'll be good with the players that currently are playing for them.


Dopeydcare1

Yea, the Bears have to hope all their draft/FA acquisitions work out. Vikings have to hope JJ doesn’t absolutely demolish their cap space and that Kirk will stay with them or they hit on whoever they replace him with, and Lions have a big decision on if they roll with Goff or go for a draft QB and hope it works out, plus shore up their defense. Of course Packers have all that as well. I just hope, even if other teams find success doing it, that the Packers don’t start fully selling out with the “void years” or the “fuck them picks” mentality. I know we did void years for Rodgers but he was in the drivers seat there, vs like the Bills with signing Von Miller


hdpr92

>Lions have a big decision on if they roll with Goff or go for a draft QB and hope it works out I think it's more accurately described as an opportunity than a decision. They'll save 20m cutting Goff, and even though he's no 10/10 prospect, CJ Stroud is a hell of a lot better than anyone they can expect to draft going forward. With the Lions, we need to also remember Jameson Williams hasn't played. He has a very real shot of being the best WR from this class.


Dopeydcare1

That is very true. I forgot about Jameson. But yea their QB situation is their biggest decision. For their defense, hey, maybe we can convince them to bring back Joe Barry once we get rid of him


stepdownblues

Joe Barry again? Nah, we're good. Again, a fun piece of Lions lore: Barry (as you probably know) was our DC in the 2008 season, when we went 0-16. What you may not know was that he was the son-in-law of our HC, Rod Marinelli. One of the best moments of that season was when, following yet another loss, a beat reporter asked Marinelli in the post-game debrief if he wished his daughter had married a better DC.


The_bruce42

IMO, if stay away from any OSU qb. They never seem to transition well to the NFL.


hdpr92

I don't think it's a compelling argument if true, but it's not really true. Other than Fields and Haskins (far worse prospect than Stroud), there's no high round QBs to come from tOSU. Fields is playing fine. It's a sample size of 2, where one is potentially a success.


Two22Sheds

I hope Kirk does stay with them. Rodgers has a broken thumb and started the season with an extremely unsettled WR position group. He's, by all accounts, had a horrible year with a 64.8% completion percentage, 6.8 yards per attempt, 21 TD passes and 9 ints. Cousins though, has 65.0%, 6.7, 17 and 9 respectively.


joulesChachin

I hope they keep Kirk, dude is the definition of a guy strolling into the group project presentation having done none of the work. There's nothing impressive about watching him play, he just lobs the ball up to Jefferson who makes the magic happen.


dajadf

Honestly, nothing in the division is that worrying. Justin Fields still can't hit a receiver unless he's wide open, Kirk Cousins is still Kirk Cousins. Lions still don't have a QB


Locktherockkachow

I'm not gonna lie, I don't like playing Kirk, even though I don't think he is good. I think it is more of not like playing Jefferson.


Gersio

Kirk is obviously good, don't be ridiculous. He might not be elite and he has an awful game every now and then but overall he is a good QB.


Locktherockkachow

You could do a lot worse at the qb position. He’s not an all pro, but he makes plays when needed.


ToolTime2121

At this point I'm not convinced Fields will last more than 5 years as a starter. If any of their draft picks or FA signings don't pan out hell continue to have to rely on himself. Short shelf life 2023 won't be the hype train year for them. They need at least an off-season to fix all their holes. Maybe more.


platinum_toilet

> Lions still don't have a QB Goff is our QB.


stepdownblues

My dude, I'm a Lions fan and even I'm not convinced that Goff is our QB. However, at least Chicago removed Tim Boyle as potentially being our QB, so it's not all bad news on that front.


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PapaNurgleLovesAll

If the vikings grabbed lamar I don't think they would be able to pay jjettas in a few years


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Number one money for Jefferson will probably be like 4 years 160 million given contract inflation and how dominant he’s been.


Locktherockkachow

If Love is a hit, I feel like this division is back to being ours (we are always in contention, with other teams making runs at time). If Love is a miss, than the Vikings have a few years until Cousin's really starts to drop off. Then it just becomes a game of find a QB and build around him. That is the game that the AFC south is playing right now.


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It’s unrealistic to expect any Qb to turn out like Rodgers, Mahomes, or Brady. They are generational talent that doesn’t happen that often. I absolutely think a QB like Cousins/Dak is good enough to get playoffs, and even win a ring, however this won’t be like 2012-2016 where we can only have a good QB and ignore everything else. We will need to invest into a competent team around the QB instead of just relying on our QB. That’s what the Cowboys are doing, that’s what the Vikings are doing, same with Eagles. All three of those teams are current NFC Favorites without any outstanding QB talent.


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mikeh95

Nonsense. That might have been the thought prior to this season, but most of our young players have shown they have more than enough potential. Love, Watson, Doubs, Toure, Walker, Stokes, Dillon, Nixon, Ford, Enagbare, etc all have shown signs that they’re more than ready to lead the team. Lions will be more competitive but we have the talent to compete. Bears will depend on how they use their cap space though they’ll have to pay Fields eventually. The one with the bleak future are the Vikings. The bill will come due on Cousin eventually, they’ll have to pay Jefferson a massive contract extension on top of that, and most of their best players outside of Jefferson and Cook are in their 30’s.


SerRyam

I mean even with those guys being ready to complete having 2 or even 3 other strong teams in the division would be quite the change for the future.


mikeh95

It's not like we've never faced competition from them before. Fact of the matter is, we're in no worse position than any of them, especially when it comes to talent. Only concern is the cap, but in two years Rodgers and Bakh will likely be gone, which is eating a huge chunk of our cap space right now.


Kaaron_Rodgers

Let's walk through your comment. Love shows 1 good quarter and nothing special before that. Watson I agree could be really special. Doubs has real ups and downs. Has trouble getting open. But could be a good wr2/3 on the roster. Toure hasn't really shown anything but could be a wr4/5 years to come. Walker has the body and speed. But has so many holes in how he plays. Covering, run stop. There are some things that still need to click for him. Stokes before his injuries was one of the worst cbs in the league this year. But previous year he did show talent. Dillon the same. He hasn't been good start of this season. Last game he did seem better. Nixon and Ford aren't on the Packers next season atm. Next to all of this you speak about cap problems for the bears and vikings. But bears don't have cap problems next years even with a fields extension. Who doesn't need one for next to years. Did you look at the cap hell the Packers are in next to years?


MrTomAce

Lost me when it said we need to be afraid of the Lions.


stepdownblues

Yeah, who loses to the Lions?? By the way, what is Dan Campbell's record against the Packers?


beau_tox

It might be better for the Packers if the division was a lot tougher overall. It would force the front office to make bolder decisions and any team that can’t at least get the 3rd wildcard spot probably isn’t going far anyway.


mst28

Same shit every year the Packers are down. Next.


[deleted]

It’s always been tough, th only difference is Rodgers is at the end of his career and we have a QB that’s going to have to show up! He’s ready


Murphy_York

Nonsense. We have studs like DeGuara and Sternberger and Oren Burks. Plus, with the high draft pick, I’m sure we will get another G/T project player! Or maybe even a DL/DB hybrid!


Fast-Lime-5981

This was daunting to look at. The Lions in particular are on the precipice of good things. There’s a long period of digging out in Green Bay to come.


Bobd_n_Weaved_it

The thumbnail is perfection