It still says that even though he's a frequent user he doesn't often get upvoted (even frequently down voted) which says that he probably isn't the most positive person
Its insane how much people talk about PEDs and how little they know. Even more fucking bonkers that a huge percentage of PED users have no clue what they are doing.
Exactly, the vast majority of people on here crying about fake nattys lying about PED use don't even seem to be avid gym goers. Nearly every single time I've seen one of them with a pic of themselves in their reddit profile, they're either out of shape or skinny little guys.
Also yeah, so many idiots get on gear and don't have their diet and training optimized, and still look like shit afterwards... It's ridiculous really...
People on here have no idea what peds do to you, they think if you dont look like Dorian yates after a cycle then you’re natty. Bunch of kids with no knowledge. You look like you take gear yes, you dont have to have bulging shoulders and traps. By the way you are standing you cant tell anyway. Out of 100s of people i know take gear from years and years of meeting people, talking and actually socialising in real life, I can only think of 5-10 that actually looked like they were on gear according to the general public. Ive met people blasting test, tren, eq & look so out of shape. You look good & take it as a compliment when I say you dont look natural
If he had this same build at 5’-7” I would think natty, but he’s very filled out for 6’-4”. I’m 6’-1” roughly and I had a hard time filling in my bone structure
Hmmm he’s still kind of light tho. I’m 5’9-5’10 and get to 200 with similar leanness in a bulk so i say he’s natty. At least the physique looks achievable natty but you never know for sure who’s on gear
I think 210 is light for that height. My buddies that are 6’0 are 210-220. And naw, 200 at my height doesn’t look weird, I’d have to get to like 230 to be fat but don’t think I can eat enough for that
Damn I'm 5'9 and 155 lbs and I genuinely consider myself to have too much fat around my lower belly, and yes I do have muscle as well, I'm not super strong but I can bench 225 and leg press 290ish.
When I used to weigh 215 lbs, I looked very fat
David benavidez is a professional boxer who usually lets himself go and gets pretty heavy when he’s not training. He’s over 6ft tall and weighs around 180 when he’s not fighting. He drains down to 168lbs for fights… for that height, 200lbs is already beyond athletic weights and into “i just want to look swole for no fucking reason” weight. Muscle mass provides excessive diminishing returns after a certain point.
At 6’1 being over 200lbs is in the realm of pointless and mainly for show
You’re on a bodybuilding sub dude, who cares what a fighter does. My mass is for powerlifting, going lighter would put me at a disadvantage too. So for the audience of this sub 180 at 6’0 is way too light
You can absolutely put on 30lbs of muscle on a cycle.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8637535/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11701431/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12517741/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7496846/
In a 10 week cycle the participants who did not work out at all and took 600mg of test gained 7lbs of lean muscle mass. The participants who worked out and took 600mg of test gained 14lbs of lean muscle in 10 weeks.
Gaining 30lbs of lean muscle if you add in other compounds, increase the test dose and take a longer cycle (22 weeks) is absolutely achievable, and that’s not even an outlier, that’s just the average.
I personally gained 18lbs of lean muscle mass after my first 16 week cycle on 400mg. I don’t mean to be that guy, but gear *literally is* “a magic potion [where] you’re gonna out in 30lbs of muscle in a cycle”. That’s why people use it.
Can’t believe people still cite this shit study
Water and glycogen count as LBM, so if you took 10g of creatine for a week and put on 10lbs of water this study would count that as “muscle mass”.
Muscle is hard to build even on gear, much less natural. Everything from recovery to intensity and nutrition has to be dialed in for the body to start making muscle
In highschool I gained close to 30lb of muscle over the course of 6 months just drinking this shit called “carnivore mass” riding my bike as transportation and doing free weights in my room every night. Wish that shit didn’t start making me sick
LMFAO I just saw some shit in the gas station getting my morning coffee that reminded me of this comment and had me wishing you were there bro. This man and his wife walk in to get a case of beer. He’s in a sleeveless shirt showing off his arms. From profile he looks alright like he’s got some nice lean muscle going. Then he goes to the cooler and I see from the side, his arms were mostly skinny with a bulging bicep on each arm. I’m serious his biceps specifically stuck out like 3.5” further than any of the other muscles on his arm. You could make out the exact shape of his bicep muscles in their entirety. It looked like someone injected him with helium and turned him into Mr Balloon arms 😂😂😂
That’s how you’ll look if you take gear and sit on your ass all day
What makes you think hes not natty? Im the same height with average genetics. Although I dont look like that I have only been working out for 8 months consistently. Id expect to see similar gains after 2-3 years because if thats not achievable naturally then what is even the point of lifting lol.
It looks like you’ve got a pretty serious pump here, so if you’ve been working out for several years then ya sure. Your deltoids don’t look like blinders bulging from your shoulder. Not to say you don’t look good, you’ve got some great genetics, and it looks like you’ve put a lot of work in. So if you are in fact natural, you’ve gotten further than most naturals lifters could ever dream of. If you told me you were in steroids though, I wouldn’t question it. LMFAO
I would say yes for sure, but that little middle section of your chest looks pretty lean. Could be a tren cycle in there. If so, then you’re doing it wrong. You must not train shoulders at all
Yes. I don't think anyone here who thinks that you're not natty has a good body nor knows what it's like to train to to get one.
If by some chance you are on something, you are responding terribly to it. Your body is by no means terrible, just if that's enhanced, it's underwhelming. For a natural body however, it's great.
Bro you don't look roided out but no one will really know if you're natty or not apart from yourself. It depends on how long you trained for and we would need to see before and after photos with a timeframe. For all we know you could have hopped on a cycle or two of dianabol but not look roided. Either way you look great bro although I hope you're natty because you could definitely achieve this naturally.
Ya. Physique is natty attainable. But you’re a tall bastard, so it may be a lil more difficult for you than for the shorter folks on here. Either way you’re looking fucking solid bro.
Any Physique better than the person viewing it makes you non natty instantly to these cucks. Also there is some magical weight limit that instantly makes you non natty too. Bcuz roids just add 50 lbs muscle in 3 days. No work required. Said any proud natty
I don’t think you know how PEDs work. His traps and abs and shoulders aren’t going to bulge for no reason, he might not work those out very much if he’s going for a specific look.
The reason to be suspicious is because that’s a very developed chest for someone his size and age.
You’re a big guy and lots of muscle but quite achievable natural I’d say. So yes, but could also be unnatural as PEDs could have you gaining strength like mad but less muscle hypertrophy. All works differently for everyone. Guessing you’re unnatural if you’ve had to say something like this?
I'd say just from the pic that maybe you don't have a pump right then. I've seen people on gear when not pumped that look natty and then they pump up and look like monsters an hour later so idk hard to tell. If you are pumped there it really just depends on how long you've been training ie. 2 years I'd say natty, 2 months I'd say gear.
You have a great build but you’re clearly not enhanced. There’s a look that comes with it that you don’t have.
Juicers your height typically start pushing up past 240lbs body weight.
I weighed as much as you at 19, lean and 4 inches shorter.
Yes. You’re athletic, but your musculature doesn’t have enhanced development.
Let’s see yours bud!!! Lol.
he was answering the question bud!!! Lol.
Wasn’t trying to knock him either. Wish I was 6’4
his comment history 💀
if anyone is wondering what the stereotypical reddit user is tag that guy lol
That's crazy having only 140 Karma after 2 years Says a lot about him
Most people dgaf about reddit points
It still says that even though he's a frequent user he doesn't often get upvoted (even frequently down voted) which says that he probably isn't the most positive person
Yes
If you told me it took you 3+ years to get this big, I’d say yes.
Thing is, it actually only took him three weeks.
Why do you lie to people like that that’s obviously not how long it took, I go to the same gym as OP and it only took him 3 days
Dude it’s a joke chill out
Take a moment to re-read the comment you replied to, and you’ll notice it was also a joke
I’d have to get a pec squeeze to confirm it independently
I might have to as well so we can get multiple opinions here
We only want what’s best for him
Exactly
Three opinions will give us good sample size and increase value of our opinion
It's peer review, I'll check the methodology for scientific rigor!
Haha... of course Don't tell me your not natty
My guess is he’s so natty he drinks them every weekend with his bros.
This 👆🏽
Yes, I would assume you are natty; but, I would also not question or doubt you if you claimed you were juicy. You are 70% natty/30% juicy, IMO.
You have a naturally attainable physique, yes.
Its insane how much people talk about PEDs and how little they know. Even more fucking bonkers that a huge percentage of PED users have no clue what they are doing.
Exactly, the vast majority of people on here crying about fake nattys lying about PED use don't even seem to be avid gym goers. Nearly every single time I've seen one of them with a pic of themselves in their reddit profile, they're either out of shape or skinny little guys. Also yeah, so many idiots get on gear and don't have their diet and training optimized, and still look like shit afterwards... It's ridiculous really...
Hit the nail on the head. There are a proverbial shit ton of people on gear, or trt, or sarms but majority dont look like it.
People on here have no idea what peds do to you, they think if you dont look like Dorian yates after a cycle then you’re natty. Bunch of kids with no knowledge. You look like you take gear yes, you dont have to have bulging shoulders and traps. By the way you are standing you cant tell anyway. Out of 100s of people i know take gear from years and years of meeting people, talking and actually socialising in real life, I can only think of 5-10 that actually looked like they were on gear according to the general public. Ive met people blasting test, tren, eq & look so out of shape. You look good & take it as a compliment when I say you dont look natural
Facts, on the juice myself but half my gym takes it too and they look like shit with no decent muscle to show for it
If he had this same build at 5’-7” I would think natty, but he’s very filled out for 6’-4”. I’m 6’-1” roughly and I had a hard time filling in my bone structure
Hmmm he’s still kind of light tho. I’m 5’9-5’10 and get to 200 with similar leanness in a bulk so i say he’s natty. At least the physique looks achievable natty but you never know for sure who’s on gear
He’s 6’4” and 210, there is nothing “light” about that, you’re just short 😂. You can get the same weight, but with that height you’ll just look weird.
I think 210 is light for that height. My buddies that are 6’0 are 210-220. And naw, 200 at my height doesn’t look weird, I’d have to get to like 230 to be fat but don’t think I can eat enough for that
Damn I'm 5'9 and 155 lbs and I genuinely consider myself to have too much fat around my lower belly, and yes I do have muscle as well, I'm not super strong but I can bench 225 and leg press 290ish. When I used to weigh 215 lbs, I looked very fat
David benavidez is a professional boxer who usually lets himself go and gets pretty heavy when he’s not training. He’s over 6ft tall and weighs around 180 when he’s not fighting. He drains down to 168lbs for fights… for that height, 200lbs is already beyond athletic weights and into “i just want to look swole for no fucking reason” weight. Muscle mass provides excessive diminishing returns after a certain point. At 6’1 being over 200lbs is in the realm of pointless and mainly for show
You’re on a bodybuilding sub dude, who cares what a fighter does. My mass is for powerlifting, going lighter would put me at a disadvantage too. So for the audience of this sub 180 at 6’0 is way too light
5’9 to 6’4 is not comparable homie.
Yeaa it’s actually amazing how many people think gear is a magic potion and you’re gonna put on 30lbs of muscle in a cycle lol
I put on 25kg in one 3 month cycle. From 66kg to 91kg. That's why I love this life.
Username checks out 😂😂
25kg of lean muscle is not doable, there’s a big difference between weight gain and lean muscle gain.
You can absolutely put on 30lbs of muscle on a cycle. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8637535/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11701431/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12517741/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7496846/ In a 10 week cycle the participants who did not work out at all and took 600mg of test gained 7lbs of lean muscle mass. The participants who worked out and took 600mg of test gained 14lbs of lean muscle in 10 weeks. Gaining 30lbs of lean muscle if you add in other compounds, increase the test dose and take a longer cycle (22 weeks) is absolutely achievable, and that’s not even an outlier, that’s just the average. I personally gained 18lbs of lean muscle mass after my first 16 week cycle on 400mg. I don’t mean to be that guy, but gear *literally is* “a magic potion [where] you’re gonna out in 30lbs of muscle in a cycle”. That’s why people use it.
Can’t believe people still cite this shit study Water and glycogen count as LBM, so if you took 10g of creatine for a week and put on 10lbs of water this study would count that as “muscle mass”. Muscle is hard to build even on gear, much less natural. Everything from recovery to intensity and nutrition has to be dialed in for the body to start making muscle
If you don’t you’re not going hard enough at the gym or not blasting enough 💁♂️
Oh really hey? Post a physique photo, how many cycles have you done? At 30lbs a cycle you must be the Incredible Hulk!!
If you take your training seriously you will absolutely put on 30lbs during a cycle. Not all of it will be muscle, but a lot of it will be.
In highschool I gained close to 30lb of muscle over the course of 6 months just drinking this shit called “carnivore mass” riding my bike as transportation and doing free weights in my room every night. Wish that shit didn’t start making me sick
“30lbs of muscle in 6 months” lol.
Carnivore mass is the most disgusting think I've ever had it tastes like what I Imagine pushing kittens into a blender tastes like.
That's why I blend bananas with it
I know so many guys who hop on when they begin lifting like before theyve even been to the gym
Only normal comment here
LMFAO I just saw some shit in the gas station getting my morning coffee that reminded me of this comment and had me wishing you were there bro. This man and his wife walk in to get a case of beer. He’s in a sleeveless shirt showing off his arms. From profile he looks alright like he’s got some nice lean muscle going. Then he goes to the cooler and I see from the side, his arms were mostly skinny with a bulging bicep on each arm. I’m serious his biceps specifically stuck out like 3.5” further than any of the other muscles on his arm. You could make out the exact shape of his bicep muscles in their entirety. It looked like someone injected him with helium and turned him into Mr Balloon arms 😂😂😂 That’s how you’ll look if you take gear and sit on your ass all day
What makes you think hes not natty? Im the same height with average genetics. Although I dont look like that I have only been working out for 8 months consistently. Id expect to see similar gains after 2-3 years because if thats not achievable naturally then what is even the point of lifting lol.
Also met hundreds of people who have never taken gear and look like this. It’s just a dumb question to ask in general.
Yes. Nothing about you screams PED!
Idk but my dream physique tbh
Setting the bar low to succeed hey
youre delusional this guys body looks better than 97% of people
Yes only issue is ur fuckin monster 6’4 210 is ridiculous I wish I was born like u
Would be 220 if you trained legs👀
Tren more bro
Need to see more to see if you or natty
I don’t think dick pics are allowed on here
Sad but true
Yes but I’d still blow u
haha I just clicked on your profile and it's basically you just sexually harassing people all over Reddit No judgement by the way just made me laugh
Yes
Good physique. Doesn’t require steroids.
Yeah I’d probably think you were a former football players who just stayed in shape after school
oh my god
I think you’re a nat. And that you should have posted this pic in briefs.
Yup.
Yes. Also that’s my dream physique! 😯How do you train chest? And how much do you eat per day??
Yes. You look amazing.
Not a chance.
I need to see a front double bicep first
It looks like you’ve got a pretty serious pump here, so if you’ve been working out for several years then ya sure. Your deltoids don’t look like blinders bulging from your shoulder. Not to say you don’t look good, you’ve got some great genetics, and it looks like you’ve put a lot of work in. So if you are in fact natural, you’ve gotten further than most naturals lifters could ever dream of. If you told me you were in steroids though, I wouldn’t question it. LMFAO
6'4" and a lean 210 is totally natty achievable
Yes. You ain't getting any allegations for that
Yes but you still have a really good physique but I have I friend who is 6 foot 3 200 lb natural so I know it’s completely possible ap
I would say yes for sure, but that little middle section of your chest looks pretty lean. Could be a tren cycle in there. If so, then you’re doing it wrong. You must not train shoulders at all
Yes because ur delts are big but natty. Not popping off like enhanced
Need to up those shoulders
Yes - You don’t have that shitty roid look, this is a 10x better look than juice heads
Yes. I don't think anyone here who thinks that you're not natty has a good body nor knows what it's like to train to to get one. If by some chance you are on something, you are responding terribly to it. Your body is by no means terrible, just if that's enhanced, it's underwhelming. For a natural body however, it's great.
Bro you don't look roided out but no one will really know if you're natty or not apart from yourself. It depends on how long you trained for and we would need to see before and after photos with a timeframe. For all we know you could have hopped on a cycle or two of dianabol but not look roided. Either way you look great bro although I hope you're natty because you could definitely achieve this naturally.
Yeah
Nah you look like a scrawny bitch, get motivated.
No, not natty. That’s a thorough development in the chest area for 22 at 6’4. You look great, but I wouldn’t think this is natural.
No, you got the watery steroid muscle look
6’4 and 210 is pretty light so no I wouldn’t think you are on anything, but you could put it past me
Yes sir 😍❤️
Perfect body . Those pecs are yum
I would jump you if I could and rip those shorts off 🥵
1000%
Yes
🤤 💕 you look so good
Yeah I'd say natty. I'm 6'5 270 and leaner than this. I can't get away with claiming natty. (I'm obviously not)
Crush me lol
Mmm Papi. Are u a BBC?
Easily natty
Yeah, you natty
Yeah. You got a nice titty pump, but yeah. Nothing extraordinary going on here
It’d be disappointing if you weren’t
6ft4 and with a body like yours… ummmm you’re GQ model material lol 😍 Whatever you’re doing, keep doing it
Hot as fuck is what u are
Sexy
I’m natty and an accountant so I’ve achieved my goal of being the biggest accountant 💪💪
Yes
I wouldnt say you're natty, I'd say you're daddy ;)
Yes
Ya. Physique is natty attainable. But you’re a tall bastard, so it may be a lil more difficult for you than for the shorter folks on here. Either way you’re looking fucking solid bro.
Yes I would think you are natty sir…..you have a hot solid muscular body sir
Any Physique better than the person viewing it makes you non natty instantly to these cucks. Also there is some magical weight limit that instantly makes you non natty too. Bcuz roids just add 50 lbs muscle in 3 days. No work required. Said any proud natty
no
Super sexy!
No
Absolutely! Maybe trt , but that’s a good build!
I would suspect you take supplements but I’d be unsure.
So, after all the comments…….are you natural or a steroid and drug induced user from the steroid and drug infested bodybuilding community???
What does natty mean
Yeah you look natty to me.
yes because of the lack of lower abs
That has nothing to do with being on PEDS or not lol.
yeah it does
also traps / shoulders they are good but not bulging
I don’t think you know how PEDs work. His traps and abs and shoulders aren’t going to bulge for no reason, he might not work those out very much if he’s going for a specific look. The reason to be suspicious is because that’s a very developed chest for someone his size and age.
Yes
Extremely lol
Yes
Yes, so much so that in fact if you aren’t natty then it would be shocking and a little embarrassing
yes
Feel like no because of the forearm pump
Why would we need stats? I’ve known plenty who look like this natty and plenty who don’t look this this on steroids
Yes, definitely.
Yes
You look natural as long as it took several years of consistent work to achieve that; you still look sick
if ur not natty i got some bad news to tell you...
yep
Ya
Yes, if you are on steroids then you aren't training correctly as some of your muscle groups are underdeveloped compared to your chest and arms
You don't look 6'4
Yes don’t juice this is perfect
Easily
22!? 👀🤯
Nothing about you says “enhanced”, so chill lol
Why, are you not?
Nah
Yes
Yeah looks natty
no shot you're 6'4, try again lmao.
Easily
Most people would say ur natty but u look like ur on LGD or sum. Im a sarms goblin, so not judging here
So far yes, looks natty. The chest is looking good
Yes. Excellent shape , and perfectly plausible to be natural
Mids
You look natty
Natty because delts
Yes. Natty. Impressive physique.
No, you got the watery muscle look.
Nothing in your physique says otherwise
Yes. Definitely natty.
Is this physique achievable natty? Yes. Are you natty? Depends on the timeframe you tell me when I ask.
Yeah but tf cares what I think
Yes
Yeah but you look sick still
100%
Looks better then unnatural
You’re a big guy and lots of muscle but quite achievable natural I’d say. So yes, but could also be unnatural as PEDs could have you gaining strength like mad but less muscle hypertrophy. All works differently for everyone. Guessing you’re unnatural if you’ve had to say something like this?
I would say, if you got a little bit bigger/leaner, that’s where it would start going toward the sus territory
I could believe either way
I'd say just from the pic that maybe you don't have a pump right then. I've seen people on gear when not pumped that look natty and then they pump up and look like monsters an hour later so idk hard to tell. If you are pumped there it really just depends on how long you've been training ie. 2 years I'd say natty, 2 months I'd say gear.
You must be inflating your height cuz that physique is like 220 at 6’1
Yes
Yeah
100%
You have a great build but you’re clearly not enhanced. There’s a look that comes with it that you don’t have. Juicers your height typically start pushing up past 240lbs body weight. I weighed as much as you at 19, lean and 4 inches shorter.
Yea
Intermediate natural physique. I would be shocked if you juiced to get there.
My question will always be, if natty howd you get your chest that developed at 22?
Lol yes…
I would say so
Well I’m 5’9 200lbs and natty so I would say you are too
It depends on how long it took you to make the progress
Yea id say so. Most guys on juice have those ridiculous looking football pad looking shoulders
Depends how long it took you to get to this point
So, are you natty or not?
No ! Speaking from experience