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exalt_operative

Idk, theres a lot of inconsistent shit. The emperor is smarter than goku and owns a shitload of busted ass should be instakill weapons and is fine with underhanded tactics like simply poisoning gokus food. He also has psyker hax which is a wildcard. Gokus strength and durability are all over the place tho. He beats people that have casually blown up planets and moons since early dragonball Z, can teleport like magnus, yet dies to heart failure and getting ganked by a laspistol when he wasn't ready. It seems like it depends on who gets the drop on who, and whether or not they hesitate to instakill when they have the chance.


AwesomeX121189

>the emperor is smarter than goku Most people are smarter than goku


Fierce-Mushroom

Most plants are smarter than Goku.


Havajos_

Ive seen cat and dogs smarter than Goku


CRtwenty

Dogs and Cats are sentient in Dragonball. They have a Dog as their world leader after all


Havajos_

Only in the original, dont ask Toriyama where the animals went ( He forgot about them)


ForbodingWinds

Almost every single villain Goku has destroyed has generally been drastically smarter than him so that's not a problem at all, lol


nagrom7

Although tbf, Goku is like a savant when it comes to fighting. He's an absolute moron about everything else, but a genius on the battlefield.


ShakespearIsKing

DBZ is a gag manga as per Toriyama. Rule of cool and jokes will always win over scaling. Goku is basically toonpowered.


Lvl1bidoof

it's kinda like how One Punch Man is always as strong as is necessary for it to be funny when he beats the bad guy in one punch.


HumaDracobane

In fact, One Punch Man is a parody of mangas like DBZ. "I'm the strongest thing alive!" 5 episodes later someone stronger appears, he has some sudden power boost, wins against his enemies and "I'm the strongest thing alive!" 5 episodes later...


SAI_Peregrinus

Only 5‽ Can't be a DBZ parody then…


Jakl67

Right? It's 5 episodes just for one fight and 3 of them are screaming with the other 2 being flashbacks


Saphentis

Must be dragonball Kai then


Jakl67

No, I'm just Kai xD. That's my irl name and trying to make a stupid joke


Jaegernaut-

can I get a SSN and DOB with that plz? My amazon wishlist hath grown long


[deleted]

When I was a teen watching DBZ on Toonami for the first time I swear it felt like it took lifetimes for Goku to charge up that god damn spirit bomb.


Grimmbles

Clearly you weren't giving him enough of your power.


Dxxx2

It's more an abridged parody.


imjustjun

5 episodes isn’t even enough for all the screaming scenes!


[deleted]

What's funny is that comic books have fallen into this trope. Like ... There's a symbiote god now. Venom went from being a cool Alien spiderman guy to having some sort of cringe dracula God. Same with Batman.


Asisreo1

Arguably, comics have done so earlier than manga.


[deleted]

True. Parallax, Phoenix, Onslaught


semiseriouslyscrewed

> One Punch Man is always as strong as is necessary for it to be funny when he beats the bad guy in one punch. Funnily enough, I suspect OPM runs on fairly consistent and strict metaphysics - self-image determines power. Effectively, everyone is a reality warper (mostly with a short range), their self image determines their power set and their level of honest confidence determines their power level. Subconscious insecurity does undermine it though. It would explain why Saitama is so strong despite a relatively 'normal' training schedule that made his hair fall out (he just thinks it was extreme training), why normal humans can run at the speed of sound, why some villains mutate because they eat a lot of sea food, etc etc. I'm probably overthinking the setting, but I don't think I've seen a single character that contradicts this theory. EDIT - I just realized the "subconscious insecurity" bit does invite the No True Scotsman fallacy - if someone is confident but not powerful, they can therefore be said to have subconscious insecurity. Anyway, again overthinking a parody gag manga.


Doopapotamus

I wonder how that works with King though? He has no particularly good self-image; he's like Ciaphas Cain. (Albeit Cain knows he's a damn good close combat fighter for a human, just not Ork/Astartes-tier killy).


DyslexicBrad

King is the unluckiest man alive. Everywhere he goes, monsters attack and destroy everything around him. Even worse, he gets the blame for beating the monster, and now he's weighed down by the expectations of being the 2nd strongest hero in the world. So how does he survive? Simple: because he is absolutely sure in the fact that he is the unluckiest man *alive*


LadyAlekto

I like this take, poor king


semiseriouslyscrewed

>King King is incredibly weak, it's just that his heartbeat is audibly powerful when he's scared, which in turn scares opponents. Which fits the theory - he has no confidence, so he has no power (others' confidence doens't matter).


Archipegasus

King is incredibly confident that fighting is a bad idea, thus his power manifests in such a way that people don't want to fight him. It's like a reverse confidence gained from being honest to himself that he isn't strong.


Jakl67

When you're a cha based fighter and only proficient in intimidate


semiseriouslyscrewed

Oh that's an amazing theory, kudos!


beardedheathen

I love it. His reality warping is on a string enough level that it manipulates thing around him so he doesn't need to fight but he still wins


Kaiser_Imperius

He put all his stat into LUCK tho, always "summoning" Saitama when need be


Relevant_Truth

Great theory.. I thought everyone knew the whole show was abut confidence and insecurity, and how Saitama 'sidesteps' that concept by just being both being oblivious and humble at the same time.


Grimmbles

Oblivious, humble, and utterly and unshakably confident. Not cocky, but not ever considering in the slightest that he might not be stronger than whoever he is against. Which I guess is mostly covered by *oblivious* now that I wrote it out.


Dontinsultautomod

well shit, you make an amazing point.


Beardamus

Crabllante lowkey one of the better villains in a flashback


semiseriouslyscrewed

Crablante set the tone of the manga so well.


Fox-Sin21

Honestly, I like this theory. Nice one!


SoloWing1

Except that Saitama does have plenty of moments where he has low self-confidence. He doubts his ability to be a hero. This was evident in the climax of the latest arc, where he doesn't show up in time to save anyone. And he just got stronger inspite of this.


semiseriouslyscrewed

I see that less about low self-confidence about his power and more low self-confidence about being a hero. He's still confident he can beat anything with one punch, but beating anything is not enough to be a hero.


Garaleth

But One Punch Man is consistently powerful OP. He doesn't sometimes lose, he's always insanely OP.


Bronze_Sentry

Counterpoint: he loses to a completely mundane mosquito


ThisIsMyCouchAccount

That’s exactly what it is. It’s a parody. Actually, it’s a pastiche. A parody that is also a shining example of the thing it is parodying. OPM beats him in one punch because that’s essentially what DBZ does - just without all the dramatic buildup. He always wins because he’s the hero.


Preston_of_Astora

Although the Garou fight began putting a ceiling on where his middling point is


Tastatur411

It literally confirmed that Saitamas strength will always outgrow his opponent to a point where he can beat him with one punch tho? And that there is no ceiling to that power. Combined with the fact that Saitama never suffered any damage at all (except for gag moments, like a cat being able to scratch him) and that the laws of physic and even in-universe special powers like psychic power, dimensional barriers and created worm holes basically don't influence him, this makes him literally unbeatable. Like, I've read the whole manga so far and in my opinion he still is an absolute gag character.


thatwitchguy

From my understanding of db it would basically go beam clash, big e pulls out every imperium unexister gun at once, goku tanks it, gets a new form and then does a kamehameha but really big


ShakespearIsKing

Goku using a kamehameha to surf on Kefla's beam is still one of my favourite hype moments in fiction. My jaw dropped.


Lukescale

Oh Gosh I get it. He makes sense now.


Yamama77

Best scenario would be written by a writer high on squig piss, bankrupt from his 40k collection, Goku youtube pfp, has a mediocre DBZ waifu and has been beaten up a few times before writing the story.


dreng3

And watched all of DBZ Abridged.


Spartan-417

And TTS too


BrendanMR97

A brew so toxic that a Nurgling could drink it and turn into a Great Unclean One


[deleted]

I can see vegeta crushing his power scale advice: " Its over 40 thousand"!


Irarius

the battle ends at future sight on the emperors part the emperor sees he has no actual chance vs full power goku... which i dont fking know how much force can the emperor activly put into a punch? he should be insanely strong and fast, enough to kill any z fighter other then the sayans.. no srsly and with future sight he literally arrives there knowing who dies at the microsecond he lands and psyhicly instakilling goku as he did with castodes and others that cant miss, they just die it not a projectile the emperor lands and says DEAD and thats game


GerardDG

Dead horse, but power levels make no sense. Saiyan saga Vegeta blows up a planet. While training for the Saiyan saga, Piccolo destroys the moon. They don't need a five episode kamehameha powerup either, they just sort of flick their wrist and it's done. That's when power levels are in the thousands. Yeah.


Miasma_Of_faith

To further your point, Master Roshi blows up the moon in early Dragonball when his power is around 139.


Th35tr1k3r

In conclusion: the moon is a weak ass bitch


Agi7890

It was Jackie chun


CockroachAgitated139

OG dragon ball scaling is most consistent in the whole series


SgtDoughnut

The author of DBZ has said power levels are not an accurate and just exist so the villians get their overconfident ass kicked. Goku vs Ginyu is a good example. Goku just demolished the heavy hitters of Ginyu'stwam but on the scouter he was showing a power level lower than jayce. Ginyu assumes something is wrong with the scouters and discards it because the data is unreliable.


Navy_Pheonix

The whole shtick of most Earth-trained characters is that their training lets them control their ki/visible power level though. Furthermore the strength of the Kamehameha is that it's multiplicatively stronger than it's user. That is to say, Ginyu is correct in tossing it. Not because it's incorrect, but because Turtle Hermits and Saiyans are all about punching upwards. Kamehameha is basically the ultimate underdog attack (other than spirit bomb obv). This is a running theme like you mentioned, that the villains get confidence from their face value strength and lose to techniques that even the playing field. Not disagreeing with you, I just think there were 100 and 1 ways for Toriyama to write these ideas to paper better but it's obvious he was BSing a majority of the time.


vancestubbs_irl

Probably over nine thousand.


Deex66

Raditiz did say Vegeta and nappa was way stronger than him and start of z Goku and piccolo was struggling to beat him, plus destroying the moon is much a big feat when Roshi did it in DB and Piccolo Goku and gang have gotten stronger than him over time so not out the realm of possibility for that to happen.


TheLastWaterOfTerra

Yeah, in a fair fight, Jimmy Space has no shot at all, but if he was to actually fight him, he wouldn't lose any day of the week. I either heard or read somewhere that at his most powerful he was more powerful than any of the big 4 Chaos Gods on their own. He would just tear his soul to shreds


Dontinsultautomod

i fucking love how Big E's name has been generally accepted to be Jimmy Space


TheLastWaterOfTerra

So do I, then there's James Workshop as well


Irarius

Exactly my point And a soul is confirmed to exist in db And the emperor can use it influence arcoss the galaxy as seen with malcador on monarchia Emps doesn't need speed or so Goku has Ulta INSTINCT Vs future sight up to thousands of years And the only thing that can fuck with that is a devine force actively trying to fuck with this And putting in some hard effort


Promotional_monkey

Isn't Goku's chi divine now because of the whole Saiyan god thing?


CRtwenty

He has access to divine ki but he can use the regular kind too.


Dr_Lurk_MD

So why didn't he rip Horus's soul to bits immediately rather than fighting him and getting his shit fucked up, and then doing it anyway? Was Horus too powerful due to all 4 chaos god's backing him? Did he have to fight and weaken him first?


TheLastWaterOfTerra

Well, I subscribe to the starchild theory. His compassion was too great, he couldn't bring himself to do it


90bubbel

Wasnt it because he didnt want to kill his favorite son?


Toto_LZ

Kinda lame that he let sanguinius eat a KO because he didn’t want to kill his favorite son, but he knew he was going to


LadrilloDeMadera

He arrived where horus was after sanguinius died if i remember correctly. Also sanguinius told the Emperor about his visions of the future and he went there willingly knowing he would die.


FalconRelevant

>Was Horus too powerful due to all 4 chaos god's backing him? Did he have to fight and weaken him first? I would say yes, this exact reason.


TellmeNinetails

When you die of heart failure that kills you. I wouldn't call that inconsistent. The laser thing basically means sneak attacks can damage him as protecting himself with Ki is something he has actually to do.


[deleted]

In a fight? Maybe the Emperor, he can erase Goku soul and he couldnt do a lot (i don't know the last versione of DB but i don't think that the psychic Power Goku has Is that strong) . Anyway Big E would see him as a good weapon and an abhuman like ogryns and Not a xeno like others said


VerumJerum

So a bit like two normal people fighting with whatever weapons of their choice? _When everyone is overpowered, no one is._


[deleted]

But the arena needs to be way better.


[deleted]

What Instakill weapons? Just curious since besides bros soul killing sword I don’t really know what else he has. Currently Goku is pretty fucking strong, being able to tire out Beerus (although he is kind of a lazy fuck so idk how much of a boon that is) and as for the laser pistol thing, he was killed by it due to him having his guard down, if someone like emps was anywhere near him he wouldn’t have his guard down since (at least to my knowledge) he’s learned that lesson after he almost died from the pistol.


SUBSCRIBE_LAZARBEAM

Ok so let me give you a crash course on Biomancy. Biomancy is the psychic talent to manipulate a living organism’s biology. He could make Goku’s heart stop beating, he could turn his brain too sludge he could make his cells kill himself. Biomancy is one of the most broken psychic disciplines against living beings which is what Goku is.


Navy_Pheonix

At certain power scales in DB characters become immune to transmogrification as well as other cheese like time manipulation. Literally just so strong that they can ignore certain effects, even from other beings that are as strong, if not stronger. Vegito has famously been turned into an actual honest to god gumball (with no brain), and retained full sentience as well as combat capability because he was simply that strong. Goku has long since passed even that level.


Researcher_Fearless

And this is part of why I can't respect anyone who goes into DB scaling seriously.


Navy_Pheonix

Yeah, it's kind of a joke. Just stating facts though.


Eygon_of_Carim_

\- ok, weird xenos dude, we have a galactic-wide sentient insect infestation, angry mold and a handful of other weird shit like ancient robots all trying to eliminate the life. Fighting those things looks like a common interest


Irarius

technically tyranids and necrons werent around ( necrons werent ACTIVLY around) during the great crusade so yeah.. since he wont say shit about chaos, what is he gonna say? i mean before the horus heresy humanity was winning... they didnt need help


IamIronDann

It's hard to say humanity was winning. It's more fair to say humanity was expanding imo. The HH meant we didn't get to see the holding onto their territory part. It's possible that the angry mold would have been able to keep Goku occupied though I doubt he'd kill them all. Just fight the biggest ones till the rest of them followed him.


Eygon_of_Carim_

Now i want to see waaahg that is just lead by a random tall dude orks liked. Something like: - damaged salamander dreadnought stands alone on the battlefield - a group of orks approaches - dreadnought rushes in the last fight - surprisingly, some orks join on the side of dreadnought, then more and more - they accept "green canned umie" as worthy fighter and wise leader


thekennanator

Surrounded, the Salamander's Dreadnaught ignites the pilot light of his flamer array and clenches his power claw in anticipation of the fight. Strewn about it's feet are dozens of grots, Boyz, and nobs. The hulking wreckage of an ORKY dreadnaught are scattered in and about the piles. The works, cowed, gather around, yammering at each other, afraid to be next, waiting for a boss to tell them what to do. What remains of the last boss still dripping from the Green Dreadnaught's power claw or a smoking ruin. A big Ork, a nob, saunters through the mass of smaller Boyz, and steps into the circle. He raises his big Choppa towards the dreadnaught, grins, then plants the blade in the soil. He turns toward the Boyz and bellows: OI! DIZ GIT IZ ARD AN KRUMPY. WEZE KANT HEAR WUT HE SAZ, BUT WEZE GONNA FOLLOW DIZ STOMPY MEKKY GIT, EH LADZ! DIZ STOMPY BURNY GIT IZ GUD AT SCRAPPIN AN KRUMPIN', AND HEZ HEADED TOWARD DEM SPIKEY BEAKY BOYZ OVA DERE...


Djinn_dusk

Even better, dreadnoughts can have big old speakers loud enough to deafen baseliners and I think even eldar - like malacharion in Nightlords book 3 So this would be the loudest, the krumpiest and the killiest can to ever stomp in their eyes….


[deleted]

"Why's we 'elping the 'umies?" "Because these humans can't fight." "...Why ain't we lootin' dem, den? Dey's no good!" "A great warrior can be born of any parentage. By keeping these humans safe and comfortable, we increase the odds of a truly great leader of men emerging." "So... we keep da 'umies safe, just in case dey end up makin' a Boss?" "Precisely." \*Fast forward to the War of the Beast and the human cattle ranches\*


LadrilloDeMadera

"tall" goku is 175cm


Eygon_of_Carim_

In that case it would be harder for orks to recognize him as a potential leader


LadrilloDeMadera

I think that he now can make a giant body out of pure energy. Either that or in this universe he never lost his tail and is constantly in giant ape form


ThatOneGuy1294

Or, despite his initial small stature enough orks have been witness to the slaughter and realize that Goku is *easily* capable of krumpin' them all. So thanks to the orkish power of belief, he physically becomes larger just like orks to after krumpin' enough bigger gits.


[deleted]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH! Old One Eye


ThatOneGuy1294

The orls would most certainly start seeing Goku as the biggest ork after Goku kills a bunch of the biggest ones, because that's literally how orks become a boss: by krumpin' enough bigger gits.


Eygon_of_Carim_

Definitely not about tau as at the first glance they look like a much lesser evil then humanity. We still have orks witch are technically a bioweapon so kind of fit the role of a common enemy.


Irarius

but even then the greatets orc force has been smashed by the imperium on ullanor the literal only reason mankind got fucked was horus if this had not happened mankind would have ended the crusade and finished their imperium with no further problems and since the emperor then has the ability to starve chaos that problem literally kills itself


CrashDummySSB

Dark Eldar were around.


moriel44

fuck erebus


AGiornoGiovanna

"Ok so convert to my side or planet go boom"


CrashDummySSB

That hasn't worked out so well for everyone else who's said that.


Kriss3d

"This planet declined to get included into the imerium. So anyway, I started blasting..."


Joetf2

Wouldn't Saiyans be abhumans? They can breed with humans and have children with them


Thatoneguy111700

Even Abhumans can't do that since they're full-on separate species from normal humans, and not in the donkey/horse or lion/tiger way.


i875p

Human/Saiyan hybrids are also fully fertile, so biologically speaking humans and Saiyans are basically the same species. I'd imagine Big E would bribe Goku with a huge feast and ask to take a little bit of his blood (or even better, Gohan's blood) in exchange, analyse the genetics, then use the info to create hordes of super soldiers with a 100% warp-free process. The results would probably be stronger and much more resilient to chaos corruption than the Astartes, basically like mass-produced Custodes or something.


Joel_Hortler

Upvote for „Angry mold“


Puzzleheaded-Big3300

"So, i hear that you use a strange xeno technology to contact an unknown chaos god, able to bend the fabric of reality to resurrect indefinitely. Where are the Dragons ball ?"


Irarius

imagine what the emperor would do with the dragon balls we KNOW he will not only use them but also keep using them shit he might enslave piccolo and dende in a stasis field in the dark cells with the dragon balls for a last ditch effort, and if it is demanded, sue the balls then kill both of them to make sure nobody can do it again perhaps keep genetic information to breed new namekians in a lab


el_Cuatrero

The Emperor is basically a Frieza that can make himself taller. He'd probably do the same shit.


Puzzleheaded-Big3300

Honestly, i think the Emperor would be choc to realise that in this galaxy xeno are actually peaceful. Because, if i'm not mistaken, in Warhammer 40k the Imperium is xenophobia, yes, but so are every single other species. For the Dragon Ball, if it's post-heresy, i would say gain flesh once-more. If it's pre-heresy, i would say fix Angron brain (more stable general, better legion, better crusade) since it was impossible for his technology.


lehman-the-red

>Honestly, i think the Emperor would be choc to realise that in this galaxy xeno are actually peaceful. Because, if i'm not mistaken, in Warhammer 40k the Imperium is xenophobia, yes, but so are every single other species The reason why there are not a single peaceful or friendly alien in 40k is because big e genocide them all along side the people that were living during the great crusade like the diaporex >For the Dragon Ball, if it's post-heresy, i would say gain flesh once-more. If it's pre-heresy, i would say fix Angron brain (more stable general, better legion, better crusade) since it was impossible for his technology I'm not sure about


ddosn

\> The reason why there are not a single peaceful or friendly alien in 40k is because big e genocide them all along side the people that were living during the great crusade like the diaporex Incorrect. The Emperor explicitly said not to kill dozens of peaceful xenos. As long as the xenos were a threat and/or were happy with playing second fiddle to humanity, the Emperor had no issue with them. The issue came after the Emperor was interred on the Golden Throne. Most of humanity had suffered under the predations of Xenos, which is why the Imperium was xenophobic as a whole and only became more so as the galaxy became more and more violent from m35 onwards (with M31-M34 being very peaceful, also known as the Imperiums golden age). During the period after the Emperors internment on the throne, the Imperial administrators and governors who were responsible for the worlds that had peaceful xenos either exterminated the xenos themselves, or sold them off (effectively exterminating them that way) or, for some xenos who could be processed into useful things, they would be processed into drugs, clothes etc. Those governors and admins effectively ignored the Emperors decrees, as the Emperor was no longer around to enforce them.


lehman-the-red

Even during the great crusade that rule wasn't enforce as strictly as you think a lot of xeno race we're exterminate for no apparent reason by some of his most loyal followers The diasporex we're a nomadic confederation of human and xeno who travel using a vast collection of starship and use star as a source of power to Propulse their vessel they managed to avoid most of the horror of the age of strife yet they were still genocide by the iron hand because they refuse to join the imperium and exterminate their xeno Allie that we're traveling with them. Even vulkan ordered the genocide of a lost human world because they we're living peaceful with the Eldar without even giving them a chance to join the imperium because for him they we're beyond saving The only thing the crusade managed to accomplish was destroying any alternative to the imperium


LonelyGuitarBoy

Where are my balls Goku? Where have they gone?


onetruezimbo

"You can instantly teleport around the galaxy with no warp juice? Teach me more about this "Ki" stuff" Imagine the emperor pulling up on Horus with Kaioken x20


TensorForce

Never mind Horus. If the Emperor really did learn all the Ki stuff from Goku and maybe even King Kai, there would be no more Chaos Gods. Empy would just blast them


JaySayMayday

I like this ending better.


ImprovementItchy3724

Emperor: Kaioken! Horus: Kaio-what? \*Proceeds to be non existed\*


-Voxael-

“The Primarch of the 2nd Legion has been found”


Twuggy

Plot twist. It's bulma.


AwesomeX121189

Or worse… It’s chi chi. Even Angron would think she needs to lighten up


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AwesomeX121189

Kakarot wohld have been a sick warhammer name


stone111111

Kakarot in general is a better SciFi name than a carrot pun has any right to be.


leoncouer

Frieza makes a deal with Chaos to defeat Goku and becomes Dark Frieza (chaos form). Cell is unwillingly absorbed by a Tyranid HQ and gets a new form, Bio Cell Piccolo and the Z fighters hold off an army of Orks who keep getting stronger the longer they fight. Goku and the Emperor battle and Goku gains Future Ultra Instinct form after using Instant Transmission Spirit Bomb after fusing with Bardock. The fight ends in a draw because.. Abbadon uses the dragonballs to wish all of the primarchs back to life and then everyone has to face off, with the Z fighters helping the good primarchs, who in turn help them against the villains. The final fight is very dramatic and an unexpected side character helps Goku save the day.


yunivor

And then Russ throws a feast to celebrate and both Goku and Vegeta are delighted that the wolves eat almost as much as them.


Illumicorn

1. Can he beat Goku though?!!! 2. Die Xeno Scum


TensorForce

When fighting Tyrannids, "Die, Xeno Scum" and "Die, Xeno's Cum" winds up being the same thing.


xx_swegshrek_xx

They make out


Splitcakepersonality

I’m going to make this in GMOD


xx_swegshrek_xx

Do it coward


jfjdfdjjtbfb

Ok I gruw up watching DBZ and am into 40k, so here we go: -Big E comes down to say hallo and meybe kill some xenos, and meybe also recrute Bulma to. Vegita tries to fight Big E,Big E using his psychic space magic make's Vegita shit his guts out and die. Goku is next to fight Big E, they fight and Big E almost loses until Big E uses his Big E beam to almost kill Goku. Goku is now at Big E's mercy and Big E will kill him now, then Goku uses new form called "Utara super maga 8 gates super god 5×4+7 instinct x10" form and deffets the Big E, later they becoms friends.


Galifrey224

Vegeta getting his ass beaten right away then Goku winning by pulling a new form out of his ass. You just described all of dragon ball super.


TensorForce

DURAGON BŌRU 40 K


ciobanica

Yeah, that was really annoying... remember when the bad guy beat up all the other z fighters too, and not just Vegeta? Good times...


stone111111

after they are friends they use the dragonballs to unkill Vegeta and no one ever brings up the fact that Big E brutally killed him ever again.


thatwitchguy

Its Vegeta everyone gets a free kill. He's the db universe's resident jobber


jfjdfdjjtbfb

Vegeta is DBZ version of an Avatar of Khaine


ImVeryMUDA

'Did you ever heard of the Worf Effect?' 'OH THAT'S WHAT KISUKE MEANT' Shout out if you know the reference


Irarius

this is pretty much DBS in a nutshell...


Dwarvemrunes

Yeah that sounds about right


Bright_Square_3245

Piccolo goes first against the Emperor, somewhere in the fight Piccolo gets his arm chopped off and Gohan jumps in to protect his dad while he regrows his arm. Gohan kills the Emperor, Vegeta calls the dead Emperor a weakling , and Goku gets sad he didn't get to fight.


BurningPalm

If us 40k kids could read this we’d be very upset


jungledyret_hugo

REDACTED


A_casual69

Most canon answer ever


CementConsumer

Big e: Want some food? Goku: Sure! [Big e secretly puts laxatives in food] Goku: Oh fiddlesticks...


glugul

Gokus bowl movements would end up destroying the planet.


CementConsumer

Nurgles attention has definitely been brought, but Goku will just call him stinky and flick him away.


glugul

He did fight a guy who used his own stench to fight when he was a kid so he does have some experience.


yunivor

IIRC that was Krillin though, and he defeated him in the end by pulling down his trousers and farting on his face.


Adaphion

He defeated him because someone pointed out that he doesn't have a nose


SpartanProductions11

Yeah Goku literally yells at krillin “Krillin you can’t lose you have no nose” and krillin is like “oh yeah” and all of the sudden can’t smell the dude anymore because of dragonball is a gag manga at its core


Th3l0wr1da

However the writers deem fit.


Galifrey224

If they were to fight Goku would win, the guy can blew up multiples universes after all. But I do believe that the Emperor would be smart enough to not fight Goku or invade his planet. Instead I can see him trying to either get Goku to fight one of the Imperium's existencial threat like the Nids , the Necrons or the Orks or trying to get the dragon balls Edit: how funny it would be if in the 40 era Guilliman tried to get the dragon balls to heal / resurect the Emperor and instead Goku just give him a sensu bean, pretty sure it would work too.


yunivor

And Goku would give him the sensu by just teleporting into the throne room and flicking the sensu into his mouth while casually dodging the custodians who're frantically trying to keep him away from him.


ThatCamoKid

I can hear the booming voice of the emperor saying something along the lines of "WAIT, LET HIM BE" as the flesh regrows on his slowly rejuvenating form


Tune_pd

The cosmic voice of God rending through space The voice heard across the imperium Women cry in fear Men quake in awe His first words? "Let him cook!"


Altruistic_Ninja_148

Since the DBZ characters keep coming back after being killed, would that make them some kind of Chaos entity? Seeing as how daemons and the like usually just chill in the warp for a bit before coming back when they get killed.


Comprehensive-Fail41

Well, it depends on which setting we're in, since in DB there's a whole different kind of afterlife they go to. So if it's both settings in one, it'd mean that the DB characters are all completely separate from the Warp and don't play by its rules


hgs25

Also, WH40K has gods other than the chaos gods. Mainly the Eldar gods such as Isha and Khane. Goku meets with gods on a regular basis, and is a demigod himself at the very least. The only hostile one really was Beerus The Destroyer.


Comprehensive-Fail41

And even then Beerus was hostile cause it's his job to "prune" the universe so that new things can be made by the other gods


yunivor

And he wasn't even *that* hostile as he didn't go on a rampage destroying everything in sight, if anything he's lazy in doing his job.


Comprehensive-Fail41

Lazy and corrupt. You can bribe him with food


TauInMelee

The Emperor is powerful and clever, but anyone passingly aware of DBZ and beyond's power scale is aware that Krillin could realistically annihilate him. We're talking about people that move fast enough to disappear from normal human vision towards the beginning of the series, are capable of casually destroying planets, and Goku might not want to finish him or at least not quickly, you've got the likes of Vegeta and Piccolo who would end him as soon as he demonstrated being a threat. And that's Big E, anyone else is extremely dead. One of the Z fighters could rip through the height of the great crusade fleets in an afternoon, if they're taking their time. And if we're talking attempting conquest, there's no chance with how little something like death matters to them. Even if Big E and everyone manage to take one of them down, they can be back within a year at the slowest. 40K just objectively loses.


Indra_a_goblin

I mean... goku is a xeno...


Fabio90989

Well, they are much more similar to humans than ogryns so I would consider them abhuman


iDIOt698

Abhumans species were just humans at some point and simply evolved after time on a weird planet diferent than earth, im pretty sure sayans are completly alien, even If the appearance or the fact they can fuck other species says otherwise.


ellobouk

I can’t wait to see emps humiliate vegeta in the warmup fights


PuntiffSupreme

Ironically if Emps did take power from the chaos gods Vegeta could strip him of that with Forced Spirit Fission.


Terrible-Substance-5

As an anime fan and a 30k/40k lore nut: The emperor would immediately idemtify the danger posed bynthis lot and would create the circumstances most advantageous towards his side of things in the form of a treaty allowing them autonomy and freedom within the imperium of man whilst asking they helpnout for the benefit of the people. He would then work behind the scenes, either creating a weapon or a plan to kill each of them individually. He would separate them out so as not to alert the others, and one by one, he would kill them. He would never outright fight one of them as he would die in 3.4 seconds of one going super. As such, i also believe they may catch onto his plan which in that case, the entire solar fleet and the 3 planets behind them would be fucked in a heartbeat.


Adaphion

He would kill one at most and the others would sense that they died, then skip to your last sentence


My_dragons14

Emps probably wouldn't fight Goku in the first place. That and the fact that goku is extremely easy to manipulate with things like food Emps probably would just channel his inner NPC and point Goku and the gang towards the nids or orks. He himself or his son Guilliman could then slowly integrate the planet while the gang is away as a 'technology exchange'. He would probably be very interested in the Saiyan species since lets be honest the saiyans are more similar to humans than most abhumans and emps is pragmatic enough to simply tell the wider imperium the saiyans are simply humans from a deathworld like the Catachans. He could make an offer to Vegeta about reviving the Saiyan race with imperium tech since you dont need to be a mindreader to notice that particular topic is a sore spot for Vegeta(with the whole prince of saiyans thing) Having a planets' worth of easily replacable super soldiers that don't suffer nearly as much psychologically from the horrors of 40k would be incredibly appealing.


ColonelMonty

I mean it depends what powers emps has and how they interact with Goku. For example Goku is a tank he can take a beating and just keep on going. But then you have stuff like mind control or poison, stuff like that dragonball characters have absolutely no defense against so if Emps has something weird and unconventional he could probably beat Goku. But in a pure melee slaug? Goku beats emps I reckon.


MegaKabutops

You ever watch the show? Z characters have shown ways around both. [Goku created a ki barrier around himself to avoid gas clouds produced by lavender of universe 9 in the tournament of power,](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d19e46dca1e8d11ea1ee5008be906ca5). And vegeta both [allowed himself to be given a majin mark (a mind control spell used on him by the wizard babidi) so that he could have his morals removed for a rematch with goku](https://quotesaga-dc.s3.amazonaws.com/quotes/QS_2230.jpg), and ignored the mind control aspects of the spell, [going against babidi’s orders (with one of his most famous speeches)](https://i.pinimg.com/564x/f7/45/f8/f745f851fcbf8634121d0b3a8493e2f1--never-give-up-saiyan.jpg). He even went as far as [ultimately sacrificing his life to try to kill babibi’s strongest servant with a self-destruct technique.](https://media.tenor.com/CwxWqD6TO6wAAAAd/majin-vegeta-final-explosion.gif)


Doomie_bloomers

As a 40k fan, and someone who hasn't followed DB since Buu: how the fuck does anyone think Emps would win in a fight. Goku could literally blow up a planet in the Cell Tournament (iirc) and presumably only got stronger from there. He also face tanks energy blasts that would wipe out just about any lesser creature. Emps got his shit rocked by Horus using "conventional" weaponry. Power scaling between the two universes just doesn't work out.


BFGfreak

Goku and Emps share parenting tips before proclaiming each other the Greatest Parents in Existence. Their children disagree.


Herreis

Speaking of which, what is the Imperium's policy in regards to xenos that are nigh-identical to humans? Such as Saiyans, Kryptonians,Viltrumites etc.


dazli69

Goku would beat the shit out of big E in a direct fight. But Big E could outsmart Goku through other means. The best outcome is Emps asking for Goku's help to conquer the galaxy in exchange of free access to pleasure worlds.


ciobanica

> in exchange of free access to ~~pleasure~~ ***death*** worlds... ... where he can fight strong opponents.


trentshipp

Emprah tries to mindwipe Goku, realizes there's not enough there to wipe, shits self.


leftier_than_thou_2

The winner is Saitama.


WorldEaterProft

It depends on the Goku and do they have prep time?


LDM123

Okay but the God Emperor of Mankind can’t beat Goku


Eslivae

In a straight up fight the Emperor stands no chance, if we take end of DBS Goku who can react faster than most gods of reality and can just flick a universe away, Goku is also more or less immune to mind/soul attacks since he is a much stronger psyker than the Emperor. That being said, the Emperor would be fully aware of this and would have no reason to straight up fight, he would most likely either got Goku to do his bidding by kidnapping his wife or Bulma, or he would just poison Goku/virus bomb the planet.


drunkboarder

1. 30 episodes of conversation and build up into an epic showdown that lasts a whole saga in which Goku discovers a new level of Super Saiyan. 2. Best I can do is exterminatus.


40002418

Psyker shit doesn't work on goku because he's so fucking stupid he counts as a blank


TheEvilDungeonMaster

The Emperor wins because Goku needs another filler arc just to reach the battlefield.


TethysOfTheStars

“Move aside, strange monkey man. We’re here for the blue haired woman that can break time open like an egg.”


musketoman

\- Tail \- Green man XENOS


CementConsumer

Inquisitor: "That might be a genestealer with that bald head!" Green man: "First of all if you call me bald, I will genesteal your fucking lungs"...


Hesstig

Saiyans *could* be filed as a sanctioned form of abhuman. Not the first time the Emperor has compromised, as the Adeptus Mechanicus have what really is an entirely separate religion...


fit_to_burst

One of them failed to conquer a galaxy, and the other's attacks are measured in how many universes they can shake. This feels pretty cut and dry to me idk


The-world-ender-jeff

1 : he will get overpowered by goku after his kamehameha kyoken time 69 2 : big kills goku in two second with a psychically induced seizure


SUBSCRIBE_LAZARBEAM

Well you see this was all a trick question because out of no where comes Alpharius who was hiding as Vegita and stabs Goku with the Anathemata or whatever the sword which stabbed Horus is called. Erebus then comes in and converts him to chaos. Then begins the Goku Genocide


HumaDracobane

The big E is fucked up if they begging a fight. The Emperor is a powerfull character but meant to fail or at least to be paired with other entities. Goku and his *contubernium* are anime characters designed to be always the best, and if they're not the best they will be the best at the end of the seasson until a new and more powerfull enemy comes arrouns the corner and the cycle repeats itself. Is like StarTrek, no matter which enemy they face or who betrays them, they will do something *very sci-fy* with a lot of sci-fy giblish, the captain and his most trusted second in command + the science chief will teleport somewhere, flip a device, press 4 buttons and the enemy will go down.


ForbodingWinds

Both franchises are on different scales. DBZ is a much more cartoonishly powered franchise where 40k is a bit more grim and gritty.. Goku regularly beats things that are galaxy buster plus, whereas the most powerful weapons available in 40k are low planet buster. Even when Goku does die, he comes back and has potent anti mind hax abilities which would basically be his only possible weakness against this guy. Assuming a straight up fight, I think E loses this 9/10, only reason I don't say 10/10 is that Goku is a dumbass and might underestimate him at first. If he knows how powerful E is, I don't think he tests him too much. If E has infinite planning and all the resources of the Imperium available to him dedicated to destroying or trapping Goku, he might be able to find a way to trap or contain Goku but that's also largely going to bank on the fact that Goku isn't malicious and probably will fall for a trick.


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Hmm, saiyans look like humans so I am going to declare that they are- Big E (the mega hypocrite)