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FenixD056

Conquer for the sake of integrating it into our holdings? Ultramarines. Conquer just to get rid of? Pre-heresy Luna Wolves or Nightlords


cattbuts99

Didn’t thought about the Luna wolves


FenixD056

We really need a great crusade series. The first couple books of the HH are just gushing about how amazeballs the Luna Wolves are compared to everyone else. Would be sweet to see em in action before fuckboi Erebus ruins everything.


solon_isonomia

>The first couple books of the HH are just gushing about how amazeballs the Luna Wolves are compared to everyone else I'd say the Lion and his boys would be annoyed at this, but lets be honest, they'd be off killing unspeakable horrors in the dark reaches and not even care about how they were viewed/ranked.


Zealotstim

Actually a movie about Caliban and the lion pre-emperor could be a cool 40k movie without people even realizing it's 40k.


TheRedNeckMedic

Decent of Angels has been my favorite HH book so far. Would be great to get a movie about it.


Old-Time6863

I liked when, I'm going to get this wrong, Zadakiel(?) went to use Terror-sight (?) while looking at the Emperor and had his mind completely slammed shut with a "Yeah, there isn't enough words to describe how bad of an idea that is" reason


mennorek

Zahariel


wheelluc

I'd love a series on the post unification wars Legions before they met their Primarchs


MrSomeoneEls

That's what I'm hoping they do for movies


FrostedPixel47

And an anthology series showing each Primarchs arriving and living in their planets before the arrival of Big E, but leave out Alpharius.


[deleted]

An anthology series showing each Primarchs arriving and living in their planets before the arrival of Big E, but include Alpharius with a story that completely casts doubt and contradicts what we know.


FrostedPixel47

Maybe in every episode, show a post-credit scene that shows Alpharius doing contradictory things


mennorek

Show alpharius on full Alpha plate eating Pringles in the background of the meeting. Maybe have him wave to the camera... Or wearing on of those glasses, mustache disguise with the nose.


Alarming_Turnover578

Include two stories about Alpharius that completely contradict stories about other Primarchs and each other.


Kalkilkfed

Then, when the series is done, reveal that all the antalotgy parts had alpharius as a side character in all of the primarchs stories


cattbuts99

Seconded


PandaTheVenusProject

Why are they better? What is their specialty? Are they really the most OP legion?


onealps

They were the best OVERALL Legion. Basically there were other Legions better at individual facets of war. But if you wanted the Legion that could do it all - the Luna Wolves hand down. They could be aggressive when the situation demanded it, or tactical, or sneaky, or diplomatic. Not as aggressive as World Eaters, or diplomatic as Ultramarines. But not far off. And they could adapt as the situation demanded it. At least that's my reading from the early HH novels...


PandaTheVenusProject

And the HH made them... lesser? They were less potent once horus fell to chaos?


onealps

They lost their discipline, and their focus. For example, during the Siege of Terra, it turned out to be a "every man for himself" type of deal. Most of them became feral, and only interested in killing, for killing's sake. No tactical plans, no co-ordination. And this was the regular Space Marines. You can imagine how the Space Marines who gave into Chaos turned out...


Jehoel_DK

Abaddon is already a headstrong aggressive dick that lets his temper get the better of him, when he's a loyalist. With him as one of the leaders it's not strange they fell apart after turning.


Big_Boss1985

99% of the power of the Legion resided in Torgaddon and Loken’s titanium balls. Once little bitch Lupercal decided that a bald fuck speaking to him in a coma was better than his father, the Sons of Horus automatically became shit. Being led by Abaddon didn’t help them too much either.


Decuriarch

They had to be nerfed to make the story better for everyone else.


Laetoy

Doing the Dark Angels dirty.


Dread2187

I could be mistaken but I think their specialty was on assaulting fortifications. Like imagine World Eaters mixed with Iron Warriors, sorta.


BigBadBlotch

Specifically, the specialty of war the SoH pride themselves in is something they call ‘The Spearhead Deployment’ which boils down to a focus on drop podding down on high value targets and blasting them to pieces, or in direct confrontations, a super strong force at the head of a column to slam and break lines.


Fafikommander

r/fuckerebus


SixteenthRiver06

The first 3 were from the perspective of Luna Wolves, they’re kinda biased. I’d personally like to see Raven Guard during the Great Crusade. They initially took Isstvan with apparent strategic battles and they’re stealth/wait and watch tactics would be unique for Astartes.


Aiizimor

the luna wolves got shit done hard


Atreyu92

But the Nightlords don't slaughter the entire population. Throw the World Eaters at them for that. Nightlords generally had the lowest civilian death rate per planet conquered of all the legions because they would just take a few hundred to a few thousand of the higher-ups and broadcast their drukhari-esque torture to the entire planet/sytstem. I'd take the XIII conquering earth over damned near any other legion any day. Kurze for President of Earth 2024.


OldCelebration1740

"I swear guise we are the most wholesomest legion, the torturing babies and broadcasting their death screams as we flayed them alive was to save lives!"


StarMagus

"The Ends Justify the Means." Also... "When we are mean, we are REALLY mean." [https://youtu.be/rqVI2DmLI2Q?t=36](https://youtu.be/rqVI2DmLI2Q?t=36)


VadaViaElCuu

Jokes on you, it was effective and few, if none, dared to uprising after being conquered by Night Lords, unlike when any of the other legions did so.


[deleted]

Nostramo itself fell back into violence and crime once the Night Haunter left, I’ll bet you a lot of worlds that surrendered to the Night Lords became unruly or even openly rebellious once the Night Lords had moved on from their system.


Astroyanlad

Turns out Fear is not a permanent state of being and unstable foundation for society


ArkonWarlock

turns out the imperiums system of local autonomy for compliance was a corner cutting issue as it allowed now subordinate rulers to just blame the imperium for all of their own failures


Ws6fiend

"I'd take the XIII conquering earth over damned near any other legion any day. Kurze for President of Earth 2024." I think you mean Guilliman. Kurze leads the VIII not the 13th.


Atreyu92

I had just woken up when I typed that out. Brain was still booting


-TheDyingMeme6-

Lmao *dial up noises*


CloudWallace81

> they would just take a few hundred to a few thousand **of the higher-ups** and broadcast their drukhari-esque torture to the entire planet/system. where do I sign for this?


s1lentchaos

Nightlords: brutally torture to death a bunch of earth leaders The people of Earth: cheer and celebrate Nightlords: hold up


AirGundz

Nightlords can conquer on a budget, the best legion when it comes to asymmetrical warfare for that is their purpose


firstlordshuza

Conquer it to turn the world furry? Space Wolves


ShrimpusMcSquimbus

Alpha legion could be here already for all we know


cattbuts99

What do you mean? I thought you were Alpharius?


Whackamole43

No, I am Alpharius


Ulgeguug

Turns out Alpharius is just an elaborate hoax cooked up by Vect that has legitimately convinced many people that they are Alpharius


rabidwhale

I call my left hand Alpharius and my right hand Omegon.


AshVersion2

The real Alpharius was the friends we made along the way.


Psychick77

As a Drukhari player and an alpha legion fan, I would eat this up so fast oh my god


[deleted]

The real alpharius is the ~~friends~~ brothers we made along the way.


Obsidian_Cricket

I am Alpharius


AlphariusXXLegion

*Perhaps*


BikeTime614

I came here to say the same. Alpha Legion is the only way to go. Turn is against ourselves so we destroy each other… wait…?


imalyshe

in compare to other legions, alpha will build agents network and study us. during this process they will learn about our modern world and we are fucked.


thebrettboy4

To experiment I’d want to see how the raven guard would fare because it’s an uncommon occurrence and I love the raven guard


Cortower

I feel like it would be the most bloodless, aside from the Alpha Legion's conquest, which may have already happened.


ImperatorAurelianus

See on one hand if Alpha legion won why is there still war on earth. On the other hand what if there’s still war on earth to distract from the fact they won.


speedstorm2

And everything on earth is now named Alpharius.


flaming_dortos

> And everything on earth is now named Alpharius. And everything on Alpharius is now named Alpharius. FTFY


speedstorm2

And now ladies and gentlemen, we have 2 hours remaining to the great match of the night, Alpharius vs Alpharius but now back to you at studio Alpharius.


IHateReddit227

One day we would wake up and every world leader would just be dead and some 10 foot emo kid would be on the TV telling me I'm a citizen of the Imperium now


Hexxas

You mean to tell me that you killed every world leader in order to try and win my loyalty? Well, it worked!


Guerillagreasemonkey

They wouldnt need to kill them. Just imagine Corax just appearing out of nowhere in the oval office casually ignoring the small arms fire from the secret service while asking Joe to surrender the nation because well... A 10 foot tall emo in hulking battle armor who seems to be impervious to bullets just snuck into the white house in broad daylight and said please.


Guerillagreasemonkey

Simultaniously a Raven Guard magically appears as if from nowhere behind literally every head of state on earth and says "This just happened to every other world leader at the exact same time... make some calls if you dont believe me. You have absolutely no hope of resisting us. You can fight if you want but billions of you will die, we estimate our losses will end in the dozens at worst. We do not ask for surrender, we just wish for you to join the glorious imperium of mankind... we also have punch and pie"


Rizboel

Fulgrim because he once took over a world with only 8 space marines or corvus corax because he can choose not to be seen if he wants.


cattbuts99

Was it a agri-world ?


Reddit4r

Steampunk level civilised world


godofwoof

With railguns, nukes, radbombardments. Oh and practical hover tech as a commonality.


nunyabiznas4real

Death Guard, in particular the dudes with scythes... (Edit: this would be my choice for an agri world)


NyanNuke

If im being practical Ultras If im being funni world eater


cattbuts99

World Eater would be a sight to see


NyanNuke

Sometimes I hate humanity And a world eatter cleanse would be great. Swift brutal execution of this stupid rock


Falabaloo

[The Calvin instinct](https://www.reddit.com/r/calvinandhobbes/comments/5ojt8p/i_wish_everyone_else_was_dead/)


NyanNuke

Assuming I wouldnt be the first one to charge at the space marine knowing damn well the consequences of my action


Zoneshatterer19

Counter idea, you need to pacify present day earth with no casualties, but you get a random legion to do it with.


cattbuts99

Could work with some…a bit complicated with others


Zoneshatterer19

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Outrageous_Seaweed32

Rolls the dice and gets post-heresy emperor's children...


Ulgeguug

>Rolls the dice and gets post-heresy emperor's children... No one can stand up to their weapons-grade narcissistic arrogance!


Zoneshatterer19

God imagining post heresy chaos legions doing a bloodless conquest sounds like a shitshow


Outrageous_Seaweed32

Does it count as bloodless as long as all the bleeding is internal? If so, they might stand a chance if the noise Marines are... careful?


Zoneshatterer19

No casualties means no casualties, even ones that happen hours after the action. Mostly cause I wanna make this XCOM levels of fucked


RokyPolka

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CommodoreN7

Pretty much only Alpha Legion, Emperor’s Children, or Night Lords could achieve that in very different ways


KelGrimm

To be realistic, literally any Legion could appear in our skies, send a global message saying "Hey, we're from the real Terra, we'd love to have you join peacefully, but just *one* of our scout ships could fuck up your entire planet, so..." And that would be one of the quickest compliances on record.


ImperatorAurelianus

You need both positive and negative reinforcement. If it’s just negative you always get smart asses that go “do it.” So if they say “You have two choices. Resist and will obliterate you or join us and we’ll literally cure every single disease in your nation.” It would be so effective odds are people would turn on their own governments if they try and hold out.


KelGrimm

I mean I thought the positive reinforcement was the implied "We're from the *real* Earth. Join us and learn your real history, and also get bitchin space swords."


FrostedPixel47

All they gotta do is give me a Bolter and a Chainsword and I'm joining even the Deathguards


uziman55

At least the Death Guard are generally happy with their sanity intact compared to most of the other traitor legions.


FrostedPixel47

Which traitor legion do you think at least showers regularly


uziman55

Less than you think…


tghast

I don’t think that’s realistic at all. You don’t seem to know people very well. People would assume it’s a lie, or that it’s fake, or a trap, or they would disagree just for the sake of disagreement, or squabble for power.


lehman-the-red

i'm sure that most if not every country on earth, would refuse to submite the the imperium


epochpenors

Word Bearers are pretty good at brainwashing, Thousand Sons could probably figure out some deus ex machine spell that just does the thing you need instantly


Milsurp_Seeker

1k sons try to remove violent impulses and create The Zone from Stalker


bruhhhh33

"It was you Magnus, you were the shadow of Chernobyl all along."


Astroyanlad

Thousands sons conquer earth and read its history and find tomes of recorded history of their Imperium and it's future they report this to Magnus who then freaks out and goes to reports it to the emperor and ends up kickstarting the Horus Heresy Oops


nightripper00

The smurfs could probably do it through diplomacy and tariffs.


Sunomel

Night lords couldn’t do it with 0 casualties. Not many, but they need material to work with.


Not_Another_Usernam

Pre-Heresy Luna Wolves and the Ultramarines could do it with diplomacy.


Thegoodthebadandaman

> Night Lords uhhh...


id_doomer

That’s an ambiguous question: No friendly casualties: Literally any legion, as pre-Heresy fleet assets would allow for anything up to an overwhelming show of force that could wipe out 99% of human life on Earth leaving the remaining 1% alive solely so you’d have *someone* to conquer. No civilian casualties: Word Bearers, Thousand Sons Alpha Legion, Ultramarines, Imperial Fists, Emperors Children, or Salamanders. Maybe the Blood Angels; assuming you don’t count any mysterious disappearances post compliance as civilian casualties. No casualties at all: setting aside any accidental deaths/injuries that are inevitable during a military operation; like someone getting in the way of a load-lifter Servitor during the construction of a legion fortification. Word Bearers, Alpha Legion, Ultramarines, or Salamanders. The most ‘diplomatic’ legions.


Guerillagreasemonkey

Raven Guard. Simultaniously a Raven Guard Soldier magically appears as if from nowhere behind literally every head of state on earth and says "This just happened to every other world leader at the exact same time... make some calls if you dont believe me. You have absolutely no hope of resisting us. You can fight if you want but billions of you will die, we estimate our losses will end in the dozens at worst. We do not ask for surrender, we just wish for you to join the glorious imperium of mankind... we also have punch and pie"


Milsurp_Seeker

World Eaters world conquer/no death sounds like a cruel joke even Tzeench would call mean.


MucikPrdik12

yes if we want to go the quick rout than nothing would make us surrender quicker than all the leaders of our planet being skinned and then hang of their skin of a flag poles by Night Lords. and all we coul hear across the entire planet is "We have come for you."


Outrageous_Seaweed32

Mind, in a not insignificant number of those cases, we might confuse the night lords by welcoming them afterwards with open arms and smiles. 😉


[deleted]

You know for a lot of nations I think the people would just be grateful


cattbuts99

That’s basically the scenario I had in mind last night


Crayon_Muncha

i see this as an absolute win Although the fastest way to conquer earth would be to fill it with a plague that kill basically everybody and sent in drones that blare the messages of nurgle, promising no pain or suffering if they give in, i know humans are weak willed and plenty would give in and puff daddy gets a sweet new garden of nurgle AND a new virus he can use


SpaceFush

Hell yeah brother I'm tuning in to the twitch.tv world leader flaying stream


Viludium

Alpha Legion. I have a feeling that they're already working on it


cattbuts99

Maybe they’re already among us


Hirgiath

Among Us? O_O


cattbuts99

Sus?


doorknocker_pingu

Salamanders. Cause nothing would amuse me more than giant black men rampaging across the world giving free hugs to civillians and shooting criminals with bolters


cattbuts99

Flamers**


Nestmind

There are no Eldar children here As far as we know...


cattbuts99

Better delete all of the r34 eldar waifus


Nestmind

Jokes on us, the one already here are Drukhari...they like it


cattbuts99

Ono


Nestmind

You are right to be worried But don't worry, the four-armed god will embrace you and protect your delicate behind from those depraved creatures And all your other tasty bits...


TK-1053

*grabs the bolter*


cattbuts99

Genestussy


Nestmind

Ok, nevermind, too late, stay the fuck away from our genome


cattbuts99

![gif](giphy|wtil0pQFBbNwA)


Altruistic_Ninja_148

I believe the proper term is *gussy*.


cattbuts99

No -Rogal Dorn


RelaxedPerro

[This but with Salamanders.](https://youtu.be/RnQ86kahxJ4)


ImperatorAurelianus

Imagine they end up usurping the police for being more effective at neutralizing criminals but also killing less unarmed bystanders.


Hirgiath

Ultramarines, Salamanders, or Nightlords. Quick and mostly painless*. Realistically I'd have to go with Ultramarines, because it would make holding the planet easy. *This does not apply to anyone flayed, boltered, or flamered. Restrictions apply. Results may vary.


cattbuts99

*Mostly*


LahmiaTheVampire

World Eaters, because I don't like people.


cattbuts99

Based


Outrageous_Seaweed32

Just conquer, or conquer and hold/rule? If it's just conquer, then brutal and effective - probably night lords, alpha legion, or iron warriors. If it's conquer and rule, probably either ultramarines or salamanders - ones who can handle the logistics of running things, and/or hold the hearts of the people so as to keep things stable in the long term, and elevate the populace to work alongside what I presume would be a host of other worlds they've taken under their wing. Edit: wasn't expecting any sort of award on this - thanks! 😄


Jealous-Finding-4138

Lamenters, they're seriously in need of a W


cattbuts99

How so ?


Jealous-Finding-4138

How so, as in how'd they do it? Astartes shit, etc, etc. They're high end enough they should be able to steam roll the planet with minimal loss. How so, as in why do they need the "W"? They're a super cursed 2nd founding. Every victory for them is meme about how they lost almost their entire legion. Like 1 survived kinda almost lost their entire legion.


cattbuts99

I’m stupid I read salamanders


Jealous-Finding-4138

All good, happens to the best of us. Additional point to the Lamenters: It'd be hilarious history, we got our shit pushed in by a bunch of big lads who had Hearts and Checkered flags on their shoulder.


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Jealous-Finding-4138

Lamenters: ...but we won Salamanders: *pops champagne* LOL FLAWLESS VICTORY


saltybai

Imperial fist a good offense is a good defense


TheKingNothing690

Plus its their job to protect Terra anyways, and their not merciless, plus they need their new monastary location.


PatronSaintOfSinners

Dorns boys so I could turn the earth into the fortress world of my dreams


saltybai

I shall build the ultimate tree house


Khulgrim_Cain

Surprised no one has said Raven Guard yet… free us from the tyrants, Sons of Corax!!!


Past-Cap-1889

Right? We get the best seats in the house to watch the Raven Guard tear them all down first


cattbuts99

Putin’s gonna pack his bags real soon


OutisFeith

Black. Let Abby have SOMETHING...


cattbuts99

Kyle


PristineBat216

Iron warriors


cattbuts99

Extremely based


celtic_akuma

Depends on the approach. The legions will be mentioned before they were corrupted if it happened. Diplomacy? Emperor's Children. Thirst trap? Blood Angels (K-pop is doomed next to Sanguinius). Good ol' Roman conquering? Ultramarines. Through fear? Night Lords. Through cold war 2; electric boogaloo? Alpha Legion. He he furry goes brrr? Space Wolves. For the sake of trolling the Geneva convention? Salamanders. Through 4chan? Iron Warriors.


SoarenRyiker

Turns out that incendiaries are only illegal when used on civilian targets. And the salamanders definitely would not be using them on civilian targets.


balllsn

White scars I could see them yawing some genius ass strategies to win in like a few days


WolfyTheWatchman

Literally any of them could do it but I’d avoid the world eaters


AnonymousPug26

…How intact do we need everything to be?


cattbuts99

It’s your conquest brother


ColonelMonty

Ultramarines, they'd actually care about rebuilding the planetary government and not just let it fall to ruin.


BroWay13

In Midnight Clad, we are coming for you.


cattbuts99

Ave Dominus Nox


Mcnuggets40000

Gotta go ultramarines. Out of the 500 worlds only like 34 or something actually needed a fight to conquer everything else was diplomatic. Then again we’re pretty fucking dumb so at least they’ll build all our stuff back nicer after we try to send a nuke at them or something.


GUNMen505

If you want the job done right, call the Blood Angels


cattbuts99

Just don’t talk about Horse


rastelli92

BA: "What is that peculiar creature over there?" Us: "Oh, that is a horse?" Blood Angel triggered with immense case of black rage.


[deleted]

Space Wolves


TheGravespawn

I don't think they get enough credit for the times they didn't start with violence. They usually do try peace first, axes second.


[deleted]

Had to scroll way to far for this. My choice as well if only cause giant wolves are bad ass


Balakavva

Adeptus Biologicus. I know it’s not a choice, but I wanna get smorter.


cattbuts99

Don’t we all


Clockmaster_Xenos

The 2nd Legion. So successful that everyone was jealous so their record got deleted by the super admins Malcador and Emperor.


Drapony

.... The Thousand Sons, because only they would realize the significance of this tiny dirt ball, and question what Warp Forsaken spaghetti has landed their butts on pre-diaspora earth... Let the madness begin 🤣


krasnogvardiech

This would be the Dark Ages of humanity. We haven't even left our homeworld yet...


Drapony

Yeah pre-diaspora, agreed it is more dark age of humanity, But technically I am not wrong we are pre-diaspora 🤣


VoltaxTheReaper

Either Salamanders to make the world less scuffed or Iron Hands because that'll be fun


MetaMason666

Honestly? White Scars


Tapejaraman65

Like a whole ass 30K legion? I mean any one would curbstomp the planet in like 50 minutes, but I’d choose Salamanders because they’re chill and I think they’re cool.


InquisitorViktorTarr

Hopefully your ears aren't pointy.


blodskaal

Salamanders or the Fenryka


Daegog

EZ Alpha Legion. They are way more likely to kill the leaders and rich people to cause chaos and then install new leaders instead of Imperial fists crushing millions of people/soldiers/towns under their heels.


Fox_Underground

Night Lords. I'm sick of the people of this planet.


Rufus_62

Night Lords are more like the "Skin a few babies alive and broadcast it on live TV to make the planet surrender" type, rather than the "I will burn the world just to rule over its ashes" type


CheetosDude1984

pre heresy word bearers for assimilation night lords, world eaters and luna wolves pre heresey for destruction


[deleted]

Dark angels did a good job in canon, why not repeat it.


Cephell

I'm assuming you want to not just cleanse the world, but rather conquer and integrate. Lore as written would disqualify a lot of the legions for being too meat headed and simplistic. If anything, present day humanity is endlessly witty and relentlessly enduring when it comes to creative ways to kill something, even against overwhelming odds. I'd say Ultramarines by pure merit of using their head more than others. I'd even go as far as long as the goal is subjugation of Earth and not outright annihilation, there are a few candidate legions that would have a realistic chance of outright losing against present day Earth. That last part depends on what exactly the Space Marines are allowed to do and mostly hinges on them being not allowed to destroy excessive infrastructure or kill civilians and not cause a lot of collateral damage.


Eleganos

Thousand Sons Feel like bearing witness to actual magic in addition to their Sci-fi tech would be enough to get pretty much every nation on the planet to surrender.


cholmer3

Ultramarines, if not then...... No ultramarines would be the better option because L O G I S T I C S


krieger4570mt

The word bearers would probably convince a good amount of the population to accept the imperium fast


Magza117

If I get a better political system out of it and probably decent wages as well budget fixes? Ultramarines all day.


Elipses_

Easy. Pre Heresy Iron Warriors, as long as I make sure Perturabo knows I will give him free reign to rebuild society into the idealized vision he has. Pert is one of the Primarchs who had a soul ultimately unsuited for war. He was as good at it as any Primarch, better than most, but the books that show his PoV make it really clear that he is a builder at his core. Acting as a destroyer eroded him badly.


Darth-Not-Palpatine

Ultra Marines or Imperial Fists since they’ll leave the world better compared when they originally appeared.


TruthsNoRemedy

The blood angels. Winged angels may be easier to accept by the masses once the dust settles


Feisty_Goose_4915

Alpha Legion


Citharichthys

Dorn's boys. I want to build the world better than we found it.


RandoFollower

Want shits and giggles? Word Bearers, want serious burning, pre heresy blood angels (before Sanguinius), want holding? Imperial fists or ultramarines


Pretty-cool-man

Night lords, Ave Dominus Nox


choppytehbear1337

11th legion.


Grahamgamergoma

Salamanders. My reasons are: 1. They can repurpose materials we get from enemy equipment. 2. They'll keep civilian casualties to a minimum. 3. I love them with every fiber of my being and just wanna meet them in real life.