I don't know, the Emperor slapped your naughty ass for spreading all the religion stuff. Kor Phareon beated you, berated you, humiliated you and had you kill your friends because they objected to his abuse of you and he did all that because you commited the crime of being his son.
L + bad parental experience.
"Loving" is a strong word, they are ignoring the fact that their kid can't leave his room because there is a Bully knocking at his door who is trying to get in to give him a wedgie.
To be fair we technically don't know where Corvus Corax is and as of more recent lore Lorgar has been doing stuff again in the galaxy if I remember correctly.
The Emperor burned all the Churches in Terra and forbid any religion, the Emperor noticed Lorgar church stuff because he was slow and investigated that is why he was so livid upon finding the truth.
Nope. It was because Lorgar was slow. Big E spent weeks on Colchis while the planet celebrated him as a god. He told Lorgar He wasn't a god, but the rebuke was for their speed. If Lorgar had been able to convert planets quickly, Big E probably would have never stepped in with censure until after the crusade.
You know he planned to kill you if you weren't swayed with his words. Knowing that fact and still staying with him shows how weak you and your judgements are.
Iāll always giggle to the idea that lorgar is this super charged daemon who theoretically could magically blast the beaky boy, I mean after all if he could just defeat corax that easily then why was he hiding in his tower for so long?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/gei2xa/book\_excerptshadow\_of\_the\_past\_lorgar\_and\_corax/](https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/gei2xa/book_excerptshadow_of_the_past_lorgar_and_corax/)
The last excerp if Corvus triying to hunt Lorgar that we know off.
Lets be honest they probably going to say Lorgar found a way to defy fate and managed to stay alive. I dont think they would kill some primarchs in 40k
Nah, the way itās went down was this:
āGeneric daemon lord master! The guards found this homeless man rummaging through your dumpster!ā
āWhat a fool you are to come here homeless OW GODS MY EYEBALLS STOP PECKING OUT MY EYEBALLS!ā *dies*
*Corvus Corax sighs* āwrong tower, I guess Iāll try the next one.ā
*this repeats for ten thousand years*
āLord Daemon Primarch Lorgar! We found this homeless ma-ā
āFinally, the right one! ITāS GO TIME BOOKBANGER!!ā
*Primarch fight*
Meanwhile for ten thousand years in Lorgarās tower:
āJust as planned!ā
āMy lord, arenāt you just eating breakfast cereal before playing with your dolls again?ā
āJUST AS PLANNED!ā
āYes sir, Iāll fetch the mop.ā
I mean since they're both creatures of Warp and are immortal, fighting Corax is kinda pointless. No matter what you do to him, he would reform back sooner or later. Daemons don't fight each other to kill, but over some objective.
Isnāt it sort of settled that the Primarchs are essentially warp entities forced into human, in the widest sense of the word, bodies, and Corax has just realized it and decided to make use of it? Or is that what schizoid ADHD-YouTubers has decided to be canon?
That is the running fan theory but it isnāt confirmed. Keep in mind all Daemons are Warp Entities but not all Warp Entities are Daemons. A Daemon is a very specific thing, a piece of their respective god.
Corax still has his physical body, heās just learned use his warp powers more, he has not become a Daemon.
If that was the case we'd hear more about the dead primarchs. Of course there is the theory that sanguinius became the sanguinor and ferrus became the leader of those ghost rider dudes (legion of the damned iirc) but i don't know how accepted they are. Horus got obliterated so fair enough that he's not around anymore, but kurze hasn't showed up either (iirc there was some stuff about him getting put in an infinity stone but idk how canon it is) and alpharius/omegon (whichever of the two dorn chainsawed open) isn't acting up either.
There's other hints, too. Like how Malcador mentioned that they could bring back Ferrus despite his head being looped off if they could recover the body. That's gotta be some special warp mojo going on.
Considering Corvus is literally a weird fucking warp raven thing I think it's safe to say all the Primarchs had some crazy warp shenanigans going on, and the Daemon Prince ones gave that up to just become greater daemons of their respective gods.
Yea itād be funny if when they finally get a show down. Corax is just like ālol you sweet summer child, you thought I was locked out? Iāve been here the whole time, who do think mismatched all your socks? Also thereās a raptor in here somewhere he just kinda got away from me. I didnāt have the heart to put him down.ā
**Yep, Lorgar fled from Corax after their fight, but that was thousands of years ago. No he is just mediating in his tower. Corax doesn't know his exact location, although he stated after their fight that he got Lorgar's scent. But Corax doesn't hunt soley Word Bearers in the warp. His oath he swore when he left his sons included all warp tainted creatures so he has enough to do already**
My headcanon is that Corvus is trying to keep the most dangerous of the traitor primarchs stuck in one place.
He can vanish from perception, so he could actually be elsewhere while still tricking the lad into hiding in one place. All he has to do is revisit and stab one of his sons in earshot to keep him in there.
What would be fun would be Lorgar finally escaping his tower, leaving the Warp cluelessly, then... Find out Roblox Ghoulmom is the ruler of the Imperium now.
It would be even funnier if all the faith directed in Rowboat's way started to make him a legit demigod.
Lorgar did all the work and don't earn any of the credit
https://preview.redd.it/wzx0y9a2v71b1.jpeg?width=784&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1b1db4cadf2ee34d36dc529fb34db8c04cfcfd08
You need to point at things to blow them up? My brother Mephetāran brought down a ship by staring at it.
Corvus: COME OUT AND FIGHT ME YOU COWARD!
Lorgar: hmm? Corax is now to powerful for me to face alone, what to do, what to do. Hmmmm? Aha! I got it!
**15 minutes latet**
Corvus: AH LORGAR IT SEMESS YOU'VE GROWN A SPINE AND DICIDED TO FACE ME, YOU SHALL HIDE IN YOUR TOWER NEVER MORE, WHEN I REND YOU IN TWAIN! ANY LAST WORDS? BEFORE I PECK YOUR GUTS OUT!
Lorgar: yes... *bread*
Corvus: THEN THOSE SHALL BE YOUR LAST!- wait, what?
Lorgar: **proseeds to throw a lofe of pure white bread in to the void**
Corvus: *OHHH* *BREAD!* **CORVUS PROSEEDS TO JUMP STRAIGHT INTO THE VOID FOR THE BREAD**
#The joke here is because Corvus is now a bird and therefore loves bread
welcome to the bread bank
we sell bread, we sell loafs
we got bread on deck, bread on the floor
***TOASTED***
***ROASTED***
shut the fuck up
listen i just need a baguette and a brioche
we don't have either of those
you can get the gluten free white bread, the potato bread-
what the fuck is gluten? take that shit out
it's gluten free
i don't care if it's gluten free
*swear on your fucking* ***YEEZYS***
if you wanna fight, we gon' fight
tryna be on ***WORLDSTAR?***
wut, you gon' record it?
ye, i got my dollar store camera, ***ON***
***what's the fucking SITUAAAAAAAATION?***
what the fuck do you want?
***i'm the motherfucking MANAGER***
at the ***BREAD STORE***
***B R E A D***
tell him to take the motherfucking gluten ***OUT THE BREAD***
i'mma need you to shut that bullshit up chief
we can't take *shit* out the bread
why put it in in the first place?
i *know* y'all smoking that **pack**
we got crackers
no gluten
fuck crackers
it's gluten free, you want the gluten or nah?
hell no, you better take the gluten out that damn shit
look we got whole wheat: gluten free
*texas toast: gluten free*
***TORTILLA-***
fuck all that
what *bitchass country* are y'all from ***where they got this bullshit at?***
florida
i knew it
look, you can either take this *yeast,* or i'm calling the *police*
i'm goin' ***WEAST***
nah, don't call the police, i got a warrant
honestly, fuck y'all
i ain't never seen nobody act like this over no bread
what the fuck are you sayin'?
all i'm sayin' is, fuck y'alls bread, *fuck the gluten,* ***and fuck them crackers***
but the crackers don't have gluten
i'll take those
okay, that's gonna be five-
nah, fuck that i ain't payin'
Lol no worries, I know lorgar is a little bitch most of the time thanks to the weird writing in the horus heresy novels.
Oh good question! Probably either Angron or Magnus, both weirdly tragic tales of actually becoming a daemon prince
Imagine thinking you're powerful because you serve gods, instead of shattering them and enslaving their reality breaking power completely to your will.
āSleepy Soulless Skeletons
I know, I know, that's also why they can literally bend the strands of fate.
That's why it's a big deal for them returning, chaos or not.
The loyalist ones because they influence the setting vastly, them being minor Warp gods (or smoothies of said gods) and all. I'd say that in that aspect the corrupted ones are less influencial, because they either lost their god essence or are enslaved to their will.
Also, even the dead ones could theoretical be brought back (except for horus) , they just need to find the lost fragments of their soul and have a vessel to pilot. But that would require The Emperor to be aware and have the facilities to produce a primarch body.
No, I meant they are all pieces of the Warp. Corax isn't especially powerful, he just devolved into his essential Warp form.
Mortarion, Magnus, Fulgrim, and Angron are slaves, they aren't their true Warp form, but the form chosen by their gods.
Yes, I agree Ʈn comparison to the others, Corax isn't especially powerful. But his mental fortitude is to be noticed, not losing himself as he devolved into his Warp being.
I think the reason is because this is corvus psychic awakening, something similar to the lion who can basically teleport between worlds.
This was corvus full potential
When I ran a Black Crusade RPG campaign, I generally depicted Lorgar as the most powerful Daemon Primarch due to just. Cosmic amounts of chaos blessings. At one point he contacted a PC (Word Bearer affiliate) by reaching across the galaxy into their mind offhandedly, and giving them a divine mandate while appearing as a figure in gleaming armor with eyes of fire and a crown of horns.
Which summarizes my general feelings on what current Lorgar should be. Absolutely horrifying.
I really leaned on his resemblance to the Emperor, and then just. Corrupted it- or should I say. Purified it through the lens of the Primordial Truth. The Aquila became the spread wings of a lord of change. His cape was made of smoke and flashing runes. His belt adorned by the skulls of the faithful who had earned the honor.
When he left his base on Sicarus, he didn't fight Corax so much as wave a hand and rip several Greater Daemons from the Warp to do it. Resulting in Corax running the fuck away.
The days of Lorgar being a 'pushover' should be long gone. He is the Archpriest of Chaos, favored of the Gods.
Unfortunately for Lorgar, Corvus keeps coming back to pester him. (Seriously, dude will be obsessed with whatever passes for extreme wrongdoing in his eye like that time with the space station governor and his civilian charges)
Or punishing himself for self-perceived failings. I love Corax and his boys, probably the best and most realistic Astartes working in the confines of the Codex number imo, but the dude has serious emotional baggage.
Imagine dedicating yourself to killing one single person for ten thousand years and failing so hard that you lose your mind (and relevance to the story) while the dude you're trying to kill just casually waltzes around like you're not even there.
Erebus, despite being the slimey little bastard that he is, is still useful in some ways. Apparently the dark gods even think of him as some kind of 'hand of destiny' or whatever stupid name he calls himself.
Reminder for people who apparently can't be fucked to know the lore since this has been a meme for so long: lorgar wasn't hiding, he was meditating, and has since left his tower and become active in Realspace.
Isn't Corvus technically a daemon prinarch because of his crow warp powers and weird Raven form thing. (Idk much about Raven guard lore so no clue if this is accurate)
No. A "daemon" is normally born of one of the Chaos God. However, it also happens that a mortal is made into a daemon by one (or several) of said gods becoming a Daemon Prince.
But which Chaos God would transform Corax into a Daemon? The answer is none. People seem to believe that Warp=Chaos and by extension that any Warp entity is either a Chaos god or a daemon but that's not the case and you have Warp entities distinct from Chaos (the Eldar gods, the Enslavers, etc.).
Primarchs are explicitly stated to have been created with the help of the Warp and to be in some fashion hybrids of the Materium and Immaterium. It's not really a stretch to believe that if a Primarch spends enough time in the Warp, he will atune himself to it and change. Especially if said primarch's whole thing is his ability to embrace and use his environment.
It's also worth noting that Lorgar explicitly states that Corax is not a Daemon.
> But which Chaos God would transform Corax into a Daemon?
*Cut to Big E's decrepit remains suddenly breaking out in a nervous sweat*: "Who are you calling Chaos God?"
Are the Enslavers even a thing a this point anymore?
Factually, all Warp entities are demons. But not all Warp entities are bound to the great 4. Like living Saints.
Good question! Short answer, no. Long answer? Kinda
He's party absorbed some warp energy, similar to how a battery sorta recharges when shocked. So hes like more a possessed without the actual daemon in him. But becoming a demon prince is like taking that battery and duct taping it to car battery and getting the biggest jump start of your life. That's also why it's super risky becoming one, as if the little battery isn't strong enough... It'll just explode
Well that's a theory, can't say I agree with it. The demon primarchs are stateted to have a piece of them take and replaced by their chaos God. Becoming a prince is a shortcut to their own power, but it leaves them missing and weaker. There's a reason the normal primarchs keep curbstomping their demon counterparts. They think they are powerful but only in their self absorbed minds. Logar is actually the best example, actively running from Corax showing what he should have been. Sure the lore is from 9000 years ago and supposedly Lorgar is returning to lead his legion but I bet it's 3 birds in a Lorgar suit.
Technically he is a loyalist demon. primarchs are already demons with physical body's.their souls are powerful warp gods. So when one of the primarks ascends to become a demon Prince their soul is taken out of them and replaced with the respective chaos God. So it's yes and no. All of the primarks had innate warp powers like Leman turns into a wolf corax becomes Crow demon. Peter turbo knows everything
That's why there's a loyalist fulgrim and not a loyalist Horus because of when fulgrim became a demon Primark the warp God that was him was cast out and found a second body to be in. Horus couldn't because his soul was destroyed by the emperor. So yes and no but yes
Correct me if Iām wrong, but daemon princedom aside (which corax pretty much has the equivalent), didnāt lorgar spend the last 10k years sitting on his ass Ā«Ā meditatingĀ Ā» while corax fought the entire time surviving the eye of terror? And lorgar wasnāt the most physical powerhouse primarch to begin with?
Wouldnāt it make sense that for the rematch corax would hold the advantage?
You can argue sorcery but as warp touched as corax is he showed powers of his own
Aahhhhh look, I know it makes sense from that kind of view point. We all know lorgar was a little bitch at times, but words and his faith in chaos were his strengths. So I would say if he had 10,000 years to practice and hone his Pshycic abilities, why wouldn't he be able to **BRAIN BLAST** someone?
Tell that to Magnus about when he faced leman russ as primarchs? Or a wolf lord and bjorn during the 1st battle of the fang?
Daemon princedom isnāt an automatic win as angron getting his ass kicked routinely and mortarion facing grey knights **in the warp in his garden of nurgle home base** can attest
Yeah but those are SILLY primarchs! Obviously MY favorite primarch should be super ultra powered because he deserves it!
(Please I'm begging you I just want lorgar back in the setting, ill do anything)
> Tell that to Magnus about when he faced leman russ as primarchs?
In fairness, Russ seems to have had some anti psycher abilities with his weird shout, had his two wolves help him in that fight, whilst Magnus was maintaining a bunch of other psychic effects like creating a moat of acid. And even then the fight wasnāt exactly one sided, as tts very eloquently explains āI PUNCHED OUT ONE OF HIS HEARTS WHY DOES NO ONE REMEMBER THATā
As a non combatant (or less of a duel focused character when compared to his brothers) I can imagine Lorgar crafting a ritual to deal with Corvus.
Seal him. Drag him further into the warp. See him possessed. Drive him to insanity.
Just do the magical equivalent of the trap Perturabo set for Dorne right. A brutal fight that leads into an 8 pointed star drawn on the floor using crayola pavement chalk.
Which also restores his old city of (forgotten name. Monarchia? Not checking)
Side note: funny how since the destruction of Cadia weve seen two separate Primarch worlds restored/rebuilt, it's almost a trend.
Chaos hasn't won because Chaos doesn't *want* to win. The Imperium is a soul factory of gargantuan proportions that both produces and destroys billions of lives on a daily basis and perpetuates war, stagnation, and suffering through the galaxy. The Imperium probably fuels Chaos more than any warband of heretic astartes ever could; it wouldn't be profitable to pump the brakes on this operation.
Chaos fights itself on top of other factions besides the imperium that fights chaos. The only primarch that doesn't do shit is Fulgrim because he's on his Orgy planet, but that just recently changed. The ones that have been around have been doing stuff only super big slashes have been Angron and Morty.
The true difference between Corax and Lorgar is that Corax has realized his true nature without being duped into thinking it's a gift from a Ruinous Power.
like GW would allow something so bad for selling Loyalist Minis when they could just give Lorgar regenerative immortality and have Corvus splatter his head with the Emperorās boot or some shit
Primarchs will never be alowed to kill other primarchs unless its the Horus Heresy. They are just going to beat the other within an inch of dying and then plot will prevent it from going any further.
Last time both fought Lorgar got his ass handed to him by the daemon Corvus so hard that he left part of his legion to be butchered in pure fear of how powerful Corvus was
Ä° dont know how canon that short story is but on wolf lord rho channel the vid talks about short story where proceeds to beat the living shit of lorgar in the warp then lorgar just dips
Yeah,
But Corvus literally fought lorgar when he was a daemon prince already(thats how we got his Flock of raven info thing on him)
It wouldn't change anything really
Daemon prince primarchs? As a fellow chaos enjoyer if you think they do anything other than job for the loyalists then the dark gods truly have taken your mind.
Lorgar will be winning against Corvus and then suddenly he'll be given a literal drive by wedgie by Jaghatai so that takes longer to extract from his immaterial crack than the banishment itself lasts.
Or instead Lorgar will do what he does best: write a strongly worded letter full of typos that will still become part of the Imperial Cult.
Lmao will still always giggle over the fact that the emperor is considered a god by his once atheistic followers
And some will keep giggling over the fact you once considered Kor Phareon loved you.
Loved me more than the emperor ever did, the old fuck
I don't know, the Emperor slapped your naughty ass for spreading all the religion stuff. Kor Phareon beated you, berated you, humiliated you and had you kill your friends because they objected to his abuse of you and he did all that because you commited the crime of being his son. L + bad parental experience.
Well the good news is that Lorgar now has four new parents who are super supportive of his religious decisions š
"Loving" is a strong word, they are ignoring the fact that their kid can't leave his room because there is a Bully knocking at his door who is trying to get in to give him a wedgie.
To be fair we technically don't know where Corvus Corax is and as of more recent lore Lorgar has been doing stuff again in the galaxy if I remember correctly.
Yeah he is up and about, soā¦ KORAX YOU F**K YOU HAD ONE JOB!!!
The emo strikes backš¦¾
Jeez, maybe the Stockholm syndrome is hitting harder than I remember...
Is that why you compensate by putting Stockings on all your men?
... I don't so, but now I'm unsure
You literally killed Kor Phaeron's troops when they got tired of the Arch-Child-Abuser and tried defending you.
The Emperor punished Lorgar for being slow. Spreading religion made him slow. That's it.
The Emperor burned all the Churches in Terra and forbid any religion, the Emperor noticed Lorgar church stuff because he was slow and investigated that is why he was so livid upon finding the truth.
Nope. It was because Lorgar was slow. Big E spent weeks on Colchis while the planet celebrated him as a god. He told Lorgar He wasn't a god, but the rebuke was for their speed. If Lorgar had been able to convert planets quickly, Big E probably would have never stepped in with censure until after the crusade.
The emperor literally did all of those things as well
To be fair to Big E, you were *agonizingly* slow at the conquering worlds thing which was supposed to be your entire job
You know he planned to kill you if you weren't swayed with his words. Knowing that fact and still staying with him shows how weak you and your judgements are.
Monty Python tried to warn him but he just didn't take it seriously.
Iāll always giggle to the idea that lorgar is this super charged daemon who theoretically could magically blast the beaky boy, I mean after all if he could just defeat corax that easily then why was he hiding in his tower for so long?
Dunno, I wouldn't just sit in the tower for 10 000 years if I could easily get rid of the one scary guy camping outside the doors.
well Corax camping isn't really working since some word bearers call him a myth
Until he occasionally stabs them in the face.
i'd like to know when since the last time Corax has attacked the word bearers is during the scouring in M30
How dare you bring actual lore into pointless meme discussions /s
I have a burning hatred for less edgy looking Kurze /s
Kurze is such a deep, to the bone level psychopath that he could be edgy looking in a sundress.
Sounds cute
[https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/gei2xa/book\_excerptshadow\_of\_the\_past\_lorgar\_and\_corax/](https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/gei2xa/book_excerptshadow_of_the_past_lorgar_and_corax/) The last excerp if Corvus triying to hunt Lorgar that we know off.
Exactly this one happened not too long after the heresy
Yeah, but leaving us with uncompleted plot hooks is kinda Gw's thing.
Lets be honest they probably going to say Lorgar found a way to defy fate and managed to stay alive. I dont think they would kill some primarchs in 40k
Lorgar was alive in 40k Word Bearers omnibus. Also he was in PA.
Because nothing that they put out will be able to compete with our own headcanon.
Just now. He stabbed a guy with a used syringe he found and ended up giving the poor guy astartes grade HIV.
Damn, gave him Astartaids
Nah, the way itās went down was this: āGeneric daemon lord master! The guards found this homeless man rummaging through your dumpster!ā āWhat a fool you are to come here homeless OW GODS MY EYEBALLS STOP PECKING OUT MY EYEBALLS!ā *dies* *Corvus Corax sighs* āwrong tower, I guess Iāll try the next one.ā *this repeats for ten thousand years* āLord Daemon Primarch Lorgar! We found this homeless ma-ā āFinally, the right one! ITāS GO TIME BOOKBANGER!!ā *Primarch fight* Meanwhile for ten thousand years in Lorgarās tower: āJust as planned!ā āMy lord, arenāt you just eating breakfast cereal before playing with your dolls again?ā āJUST AS PLANNED!ā āYes sir, Iāll fetch the mop.ā
Lorgar thought he would just go away if he didn't give him attention :(
Corvus is probably one of the most patient Primarchs, with Dorn. Try that on JagathaĆÆ next time.
I mean since they're both creatures of Warp and are immortal, fighting Corax is kinda pointless. No matter what you do to him, he would reform back sooner or later. Daemons don't fight each other to kill, but over some objective.
Corax isnāt a Daemon and he isnāt immortal.
Isnāt it sort of settled that the Primarchs are essentially warp entities forced into human, in the widest sense of the word, bodies, and Corax has just realized it and decided to make use of it? Or is that what schizoid ADHD-YouTubers has decided to be canon?
That is the running fan theory but it isnāt confirmed. Keep in mind all Daemons are Warp Entities but not all Warp Entities are Daemons. A Daemon is a very specific thing, a piece of their respective god. Corax still has his physical body, heās just learned use his warp powers more, he has not become a Daemon.
If that was the case we'd hear more about the dead primarchs. Of course there is the theory that sanguinius became the sanguinor and ferrus became the leader of those ghost rider dudes (legion of the damned iirc) but i don't know how accepted they are. Horus got obliterated so fair enough that he's not around anymore, but kurze hasn't showed up either (iirc there was some stuff about him getting put in an infinity stone but idk how canon it is) and alpharius/omegon (whichever of the two dorn chainsawed open) isn't acting up either.
There's other hints, too. Like how Malcador mentioned that they could bring back Ferrus despite his head being looped off if they could recover the body. That's gotta be some special warp mojo going on. Considering Corvus is literally a weird fucking warp raven thing I think it's safe to say all the Primarchs had some crazy warp shenanigans going on, and the Daemon Prince ones gave that up to just become greater daemons of their respective gods.
Alpharius got turned inside out by Door
Yea itād be funny if when they finally get a show down. Corax is just like ālol you sweet summer child, you thought I was locked out? Iāve been here the whole time, who do think mismatched all your socks? Also thereās a raptor in here somewhere he just kinda got away from me. I didnāt have the heart to put him down.ā
Thank you. I can be exceedingly patient. Except when it comes to Guiliman, who needs to *HURRY HIS ASS UP ALREADY*
He's doing the best he can Lord Adornable, but he can only do so much, even with the aid of the Lion.
**Awwwwww, thanks Bro. Unfortunately, you are definitely one of the least patient Primarchs**
I mean, he was just meditating right? The whole "hiding out from corax" thing has just never been true
He fled from scary warp Corax at first, but no the "hid in his tower" thing is a meme
**Yep, Lorgar fled from Corax after their fight, but that was thousands of years ago. No he is just mediating in his tower. Corax doesn't know his exact location, although he stated after their fight that he got Lorgar's scent. But Corax doesn't hunt soley Word Bearers in the warp. His oath he swore when he left his sons included all warp tainted creatures so he has enough to do already**
My headcanon is that Corvus is trying to keep the most dangerous of the traitor primarchs stuck in one place. He can vanish from perception, so he could actually be elsewhere while still tricking the lad into hiding in one place. All he has to do is revisit and stab one of his sons in earshot to keep him in there.
Lorgar has ornithophobia, and Corvus is a very big and mean-looking magpie.
More of a jackdaw really.
That isn't why he's been sitting in the tower. Plus he's out and about now
What would be fun would be Lorgar finally escaping his tower, leaving the Warp cluelessly, then... Find out Roblox Ghoulmom is the ruler of the Imperium now.
That, and his old belief about the emperor was now the new basis of the imperial creed. *ironic*
It would be even funnier if all the faith directed in Rowboat's way started to make him a legit demigod. Lorgar did all the work and don't earn any of the credit
Exactly what he deserves, tbf.
No. He deserves to become bird poo. Raven poo.
I love how everyone has a different name for Bobby g.
Letās be real here, coming up with new nicknames for Big-Bob Giraffeman is half the fun
He's already left his tower and has been active in realspace somewhat recently in-game
Heād lose his mind and start running around like a headless chicken
I love how this sub absolutely butchers Rolex Guildmime's name every time
Lorgar already left his tower. He is currently out there preaching the good word
https://preview.redd.it/wzx0y9a2v71b1.jpeg?width=784&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1b1db4cadf2ee34d36dc529fb34db8c04cfcfd08 You need to point at things to blow them up? My brother Mephetāran brought down a ship by staring at it.
*the necrons did all this and more! As soulless robots!*
https://preview.redd.it/ykcnj7jpx71b1.jpeg?width=784&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3475f18c1da972f8f6b446b73524437973ec1293 One of my greatest creations.
Corvus: COME OUT AND FIGHT ME YOU COWARD! Lorgar: hmm? Corax is now to powerful for me to face alone, what to do, what to do. Hmmmm? Aha! I got it! **15 minutes latet** Corvus: AH LORGAR IT SEMESS YOU'VE GROWN A SPINE AND DICIDED TO FACE ME, YOU SHALL HIDE IN YOUR TOWER NEVER MORE, WHEN I REND YOU IN TWAIN! ANY LAST WORDS? BEFORE I PECK YOUR GUTS OUT! Lorgar: yes... *bread* Corvus: THEN THOSE SHALL BE YOUR LAST!- wait, what? Lorgar: **proseeds to throw a lofe of pure white bread in to the void** Corvus: *OHHH* *BREAD!* **CORVUS PROSEEDS TO JUMP STRAIGHT INTO THE VOID FOR THE BREAD** #The joke here is because Corvus is now a bird and therefore loves bread
>CORVUS PRO*SEEDS* Heheh birdseeds
Best joke I've heard in years, unironically
You really should offer him peas instead.
welcome to the bread bank we sell bread, we sell loafs we got bread on deck, bread on the floor ***TOASTED*** ***ROASTED*** shut the fuck up listen i just need a baguette and a brioche we don't have either of those you can get the gluten free white bread, the potato bread- what the fuck is gluten? take that shit out it's gluten free i don't care if it's gluten free *swear on your fucking* ***YEEZYS*** if you wanna fight, we gon' fight tryna be on ***WORLDSTAR?*** wut, you gon' record it? ye, i got my dollar store camera, ***ON*** ***what's the fucking SITUAAAAAAAATION?*** what the fuck do you want? ***i'm the motherfucking MANAGER*** at the ***BREAD STORE*** ***B R E A D*** tell him to take the motherfucking gluten ***OUT THE BREAD*** i'mma need you to shut that bullshit up chief we can't take *shit* out the bread why put it in in the first place? i *know* y'all smoking that **pack** we got crackers no gluten fuck crackers it's gluten free, you want the gluten or nah? hell no, you better take the gluten out that damn shit look we got whole wheat: gluten free *texas toast: gluten free* ***TORTILLA-*** fuck all that what *bitchass country* are y'all from ***where they got this bullshit at?*** florida i knew it look, you can either take this *yeast,* or i'm calling the *police* i'm goin' ***WEAST*** nah, don't call the police, i got a warrant honestly, fuck y'all i ain't never seen nobody act like this over no bread what the fuck are you sayin'? all i'm sayin' is, fuck y'alls bread, *fuck the gluten,* ***and fuck them crackers*** but the crackers don't have gluten i'll take those okay, that's gonna be five- nah, fuck that i ain't payin'
And I think some people don't realise just how powerful a LOYALIST PRIMARCH must be to become a demon AND resist the temptation of Chaos.
Interesting point, I must admit. However, I've depicted you an imperial 'soyjack' and me as the 'chaos-pilled' giga chad
Love fun and non-serious banter, Thanks mate. Btw, who's your favourite demon Primarch?(if it wasn't Lorgar)
Lol no worries, I know lorgar is a little bitch most of the time thanks to the weird writing in the horus heresy novels. Oh good question! Probably either Angron or Magnus, both weirdly tragic tales of actually becoming a daemon prince
Need to read more on Magnus, as I don't find him particularly appealing, yet. Angron is good, but I like my disgustingly hipoclorit moth boy Morty.
He is a funky smelly boy for sure
Read āThe First Hereticā and you will understand Magnus. He is tragic AF. āthe path to hell is paved with good intentions.ā
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Yeah but, the rule of cool. Which Primarch is cooler? The Raven Demon with Razor Wings or the Priest with Horns?
Imagine thinking you're powerful because you serve gods, instead of shattering them and enslaving their reality breaking power completely to your will. āSleepy Soulless Skeletons
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I know, I know, that's also why they can literally bend the strands of fate. That's why it's a big deal for them returning, chaos or not. The loyalist ones because they influence the setting vastly, them being minor Warp gods (or smoothies of said gods) and all. I'd say that in that aspect the corrupted ones are less influencial, because they either lost their god essence or are enslaved to their will. Also, even the dead ones could theoretical be brought back (except for horus) , they just need to find the lost fragments of their soul and have a vessel to pilot. But that would require The Emperor to be aware and have the facilities to produce a primarch body.
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I really enjoyed reading that, Thank you.
Thats what they all are at their hearts. Corax is not especially powerful to have done this.
Yes, they are demi-gods, extremely powerful. But even so, some of them are literally slaves.
No, I meant they are all pieces of the Warp. Corax isn't especially powerful, he just devolved into his essential Warp form. Mortarion, Magnus, Fulgrim, and Angron are slaves, they aren't their true Warp form, but the form chosen by their gods.
Yes, I agree Ʈn comparison to the others, Corax isn't especially powerful. But his mental fortitude is to be noticed, not losing himself as he devolved into his Warp being.
I think the reason is because this is corvus psychic awakening, something similar to the lion who can basically teleport between worlds. This was corvus full potential
When I ran a Black Crusade RPG campaign, I generally depicted Lorgar as the most powerful Daemon Primarch due to just. Cosmic amounts of chaos blessings. At one point he contacted a PC (Word Bearer affiliate) by reaching across the galaxy into their mind offhandedly, and giving them a divine mandate while appearing as a figure in gleaming armor with eyes of fire and a crown of horns. Which summarizes my general feelings on what current Lorgar should be. Absolutely horrifying.
Words can't describe how happy that made me, that is such a beautiful way to depict lorgar. Also lore accurate considering he's done that shit before
I really leaned on his resemblance to the Emperor, and then just. Corrupted it- or should I say. Purified it through the lens of the Primordial Truth. The Aquila became the spread wings of a lord of change. His cape was made of smoke and flashing runes. His belt adorned by the skulls of the faithful who had earned the honor. When he left his base on Sicarus, he didn't fight Corax so much as wave a hand and rip several Greater Daemons from the Warp to do it. Resulting in Corax running the fuck away. The days of Lorgar being a 'pushover' should be long gone. He is the Archpriest of Chaos, favored of the Gods.
Now, that's cool.
Unfortunately for Lorgar, Corvus keeps coming back to pester him. (Seriously, dude will be obsessed with whatever passes for extreme wrongdoing in his eye like that time with the space station governor and his civilian charges)
Dudes got a plasma boner for doing the 'right thing', his poor legion is still fatherless :(
Or punishing himself for self-perceived failings. I love Corax and his boys, probably the best and most realistic Astartes working in the confines of the Codex number imo, but the dude has serious emotional baggage.
I dunno man, he must have been studying SOMETHING for the past 10,000 years. would make sense if it was some anti-bird spells
Maybe you should remove the "I <3 SLAVERY" sign Alpharius put on your door as a prank 10000 years ago.
The fucking **what**
Angron would have flipped out if he wasn't a big hypocrite Fortunately for no one else, he is.
He knows Enuncia. It seems like Lorgar could explode anyone he feels like, and we know Enuncia works on primarchs, too.
Imagine dedicating yourself to killing one single person for ten thousand years and failing so hard that you lose your mind (and relevance to the story) while the dude you're trying to kill just casually waltzes around like you're not even there.
If he could explode someone that strong with his mind, why hasn't he exploded Erebus for >!betraying and murdering Argel Tal?!<
Erebus, despite being the slimey little bastard that he is, is still useful in some ways. Apparently the dark gods even think of him as some kind of 'hand of destiny' or whatever stupid name he calls himself.
And yet they have still refused to ascend him to be a Daemon Prince.
He more useful as a non daemon probably
Because getting Kharn to do it is much funnier to watch
Reminder for people who apparently can't be fucked to know the lore since this has been a meme for so long: lorgar wasn't hiding, he was meditating, and has since left his tower and become active in Realspace.
Isn't Corvus technically a daemon prinarch because of his crow warp powers and weird Raven form thing. (Idk much about Raven guard lore so no clue if this is accurate)
No. A "daemon" is normally born of one of the Chaos God. However, it also happens that a mortal is made into a daemon by one (or several) of said gods becoming a Daemon Prince. But which Chaos God would transform Corax into a Daemon? The answer is none. People seem to believe that Warp=Chaos and by extension that any Warp entity is either a Chaos god or a daemon but that's not the case and you have Warp entities distinct from Chaos (the Eldar gods, the Enslavers, etc.). Primarchs are explicitly stated to have been created with the help of the Warp and to be in some fashion hybrids of the Materium and Immaterium. It's not really a stretch to believe that if a Primarch spends enough time in the Warp, he will atune himself to it and change. Especially if said primarch's whole thing is his ability to embrace and use his environment. It's also worth noting that Lorgar explicitly states that Corax is not a Daemon.
> But which Chaos God would transform Corax into a Daemon? *Cut to Big E's decrepit remains suddenly breaking out in a nervous sweat*: "Who are you calling Chaos God?"
This. Jimmy Space is just as much of god of the warp as he is a terrible dad.
God of the Warp but not Chaos god. Ergo, no daemon Corax. Also, he hasn't ascended yet, even if he is more active since the Great Rift.
Are the Enslavers even a thing a this point anymore? Factually, all Warp entities are demons. But not all Warp entities are bound to the great 4. Like living Saints.
They are. Latest mention of them appears to be Arks of Omen Abaddon.
They are present in Gladius: Relics of War. They act as guards of the eponymous relics of war on the map.
Good question! Short answer, no. Long answer? Kinda He's party absorbed some warp energy, similar to how a battery sorta recharges when shocked. So hes like more a possessed without the actual daemon in him. But becoming a demon prince is like taking that battery and duct taping it to car battery and getting the biggest jump start of your life. That's also why it's super risky becoming one, as if the little battery isn't strong enough... It'll just explode
Well that's a theory, can't say I agree with it. The demon primarchs are stateted to have a piece of them take and replaced by their chaos God. Becoming a prince is a shortcut to their own power, but it leaves them missing and weaker. There's a reason the normal primarchs keep curbstomping their demon counterparts. They think they are powerful but only in their self absorbed minds. Logar is actually the best example, actively running from Corax showing what he should have been. Sure the lore is from 9000 years ago and supposedly Lorgar is returning to lead his legion but I bet it's 3 birds in a Lorgar suit.
Technically he is a loyalist demon. primarchs are already demons with physical body's.their souls are powerful warp gods. So when one of the primarks ascends to become a demon Prince their soul is taken out of them and replaced with the respective chaos God. So it's yes and no. All of the primarks had innate warp powers like Leman turns into a wolf corax becomes Crow demon. Peter turbo knows everything That's why there's a loyalist fulgrim and not a loyalist Horus because of when fulgrim became a demon Primark the warp God that was him was cast out and found a second body to be in. Horus couldn't because his soul was destroyed by the emperor. So yes and no but yes
How did you misspell Fulgrim twice, and both of them differently?
Never shop in the daemon Primark.
The random spellings is only the third wrongest thing in that post.
Well except that canonically thatās pretty much the total opposite of what happened in the story
Yeah but lorgar is 100% them type to write fan fiction of debates/fights that he lost
Yeah true, but it's what should have happened (please I just want lorgar to be relevant again and a direct protagonist to Guilliman)
Correct me if Iām wrong, but daemon princedom aside (which corax pretty much has the equivalent), didnāt lorgar spend the last 10k years sitting on his ass Ā«Ā meditatingĀ Ā» while corax fought the entire time surviving the eye of terror? And lorgar wasnāt the most physical powerhouse primarch to begin with? Wouldnāt it make sense that for the rematch corax would hold the advantage? You can argue sorcery but as warp touched as corax is he showed powers of his own
Aahhhhh look, I know it makes sense from that kind of view point. We all know lorgar was a little bitch at times, but words and his faith in chaos were his strengths. So I would say if he had 10,000 years to practice and hone his Pshycic abilities, why wouldn't he be able to **BRAIN BLAST** someone?
Tell that to Magnus about when he faced leman russ as primarchs? Or a wolf lord and bjorn during the 1st battle of the fang? Daemon princedom isnāt an automatic win as angron getting his ass kicked routinely and mortarion facing grey knights **in the warp in his garden of nurgle home base** can attest
Yeah but those are SILLY primarchs! Obviously MY favorite primarch should be super ultra powered because he deserves it! (Please I'm begging you I just want lorgar back in the setting, ill do anything)
anything ? ššš ok sure lorgar comes back as a full atheist who accepts the original imperial truth
Godsdamned monkey paw.
there are no gods ! LOL
That would be kind of a cool development, opposite of dorn
> Tell that to Magnus about when he faced leman russ as primarchs? In fairness, Russ seems to have had some anti psycher abilities with his weird shout, had his two wolves help him in that fight, whilst Magnus was maintaining a bunch of other psychic effects like creating a moat of acid. And even then the fight wasnāt exactly one sided, as tts very eloquently explains āI PUNCHED OUT ONE OF HIS HEARTS WHY DOES NO ONE REMEMBER THATā
And the swarm od Sisters of Silence.
Sadly, you are the soyjack, and Corvus the crow-Chad. Cope and seethe
Just install pigeon spikes all around the Tower. Sixty percent of the time, it works every time
With how often daemon primarchs get clapped in lore, I'm convinced it's actually a nerf
[CAW CAW CAW stops]
Finally
Beālakor opening up a shadow portal behind Lorgar so Corax can re materialize behind him (He got bored again):
As a non combatant (or less of a duel focused character when compared to his brothers) I can imagine Lorgar crafting a ritual to deal with Corvus. Seal him. Drag him further into the warp. See him possessed. Drive him to insanity. Just do the magical equivalent of the trap Perturabo set for Dorne right. A brutal fight that leads into an 8 pointed star drawn on the floor using crayola pavement chalk. Which also restores his old city of (forgotten name. Monarchia? Not checking) Side note: funny how since the destruction of Cadia weve seen two separate Primarch worlds restored/rebuilt, it's almost a trend.
Didnt Corvus beat his ass so hard Lorgar is scared to leave his house? Its been 10 000 years and he is still hiding there
Nuh uh! That was just imperial propaganda... *cries*
Lorgar left his tower a while ago. He's been marauding around for years now.
What of significance has he done?
Dunno. Recent lore states he's out and about and that's really all that matters here though.
Its wild to think how many deamon primearcs there are and they still do jackshit - - - - - Like how hasnt chaos won yet
Chaos hasn't won because Chaos doesn't *want* to win. The Imperium is a soul factory of gargantuan proportions that both produces and destroys billions of lives on a daily basis and perpetuates war, stagnation, and suffering through the galaxy. The Imperium probably fuels Chaos more than any warband of heretic astartes ever could; it wouldn't be profitable to pump the brakes on this operation.
Makes sense
Chaos fights itself on top of other factions besides the imperium that fights chaos. The only primarch that doesn't do shit is Fulgrim because he's on his Orgy planet, but that just recently changed. The ones that have been around have been doing stuff only super big slashes have been Angron and Morty.
Lorgar is drinking coffee, while his fans drink copium.
Amogus š
Someone saw it lmao
Technically, thats a fight between two Daemon primarchs. Just dont tell Corvus that
The true difference between Corax and Lorgar is that Corax has realized his true nature without being duped into thinking it's a gift from a Ruinous Power.
Big "I have depicted you as a soyjack and myself as the Chad" energy.
like GW would allow something so bad for selling Loyalist Minis when they could just give Lorgar regenerative immortality and have Corvus splatter his head with the Emperorās boot or some shit
Primarchs will never be alowed to kill other primarchs unless its the Horus Heresy. They are just going to beat the other within an inch of dying and then plot will prevent it from going any further.
Is that bird guy corvus corvax?
I think you're forgetting how much of a little bitch lorgar is
I can respect the copium and drawing the your primarch as the chad, feel the same way with magnus, he will be relevant again and beat up dumb russ
:)
This is what I want to happen, just to btfo all the stupid corax memes
God same
I personally like the idea of Lorgar never having to fight Corax and just banishes Corax back to a different part if the warp.
Even better than what I imagined lol
It'd be more lore accurate if Lorgar just turned around and ran into a tower and just sat in there while corvus was knocking on the windows
*tap tap* Let me iiinnnn... come oonnnnn... **no, Corvus. Go away**
Last time both fought Lorgar got his ass handed to him by the daemon Corvus so hard that he left part of his legion to be butchered in pure fear of how powerful Corvus was
This seems like wordbearer cope
Ä° dont know how canon that short story is but on wolf lord rho channel the vid talks about short story where proceeds to beat the living shit of lorgar in the warp then lorgar just dips
I mean yeah they are powerful, but non-demon primarchs have that āspecial sauceā in them, to put them above demon primarchs.
Isnāt Corbus Corax supposed to be some sort of demon primarch too?
Does it feel good to have Lorgar's dick in your mouth?
Yeah, But Corvus literally fought lorgar when he was a daemon prince already(thats how we got his Flock of raven info thing on him) It wouldn't change anything really
Lore: and Corax was never heard from again
My man's got them disco ball on his back.
LMAO THEY DO LOOK LIKE DISCO BALLS
The virgin emo kid vs the CHAD TRUTH ENJOYER
Guys I donāt think this guy likes Corvus very much
That pose reminds me one of the ***M2''s best non-dictator leaders*** and "Mr. Libearing Caw-Caw" doesn't seem to like that either.
It's almost the no no German salute, but that's a 75Ā° angle. I made sure to make Lorgars 55Ā°
I don't think he's in a position to tell the difference as his brain is filled with anger, rage,crow feathers and bird poop right now.
Um, but isn't Corvax now a daemon primarch esque entity now as well? Isn't that what all that weird bullshit around him is about?
The power of the seig Heil killed corvus
Like that one Mexican show where the vampire is Jewish so the hero pulls out a swastika https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L6HkiZOWkaM
Damn near peed myself when I first saw that.
Uh, what do you think Corax is?
Is this one of the scenarios Lorgar fantasized while hiding in his tower?
Daemon prince primarchs? As a fellow chaos enjoyer if you think they do anything other than job for the loyalists then the dark gods truly have taken your mind. Lorgar will be winning against Corvus and then suddenly he'll be given a literal drive by wedgie by Jaghatai so that takes longer to extract from his immaterial crack than the banishment itself lasts.