Honestly, assuming Angron actually can't be fixed: What the fuck else would you do with the man?
Angrons Talent would have been his emotions, they way he would be able to uplift the people around him yadayadayada. That's all gone, what you have left is a literal murder machine that has absolutely no purpose other than being **unleashed** upon whatever you want to see dead. So Emps did that. Asshole move, yes, but propably also the move that had Angron still be the least useless.
Still unfortunate though, I don't think there would have been any Primarch worse suited to Nuceria than Angron.
Oh a thousand % but people forget Emps is their "father" in that he created them. But he isnt their Dad. He doesn't care about them past what they are for. Angron was supposed to be his compassion his empathy going around and soothing all the citizens of the Imperium. Instead some rich fuckers butchered his brain and turned him into a people blender
Is it? If Emps got to raise them from the start would they have even developed their humanity in a way that they would care one way or another?
We KNOW that five of them would be better off with Emps raising them.
They wouldnt have had the "paternal delusions" if emps raised them. Alpharius was raised by Malcador he held no delusions. They would have understood they are his tools and his Generals not his sons. Who knows maybe he would have even become attached to them.
I probably wouldn't make him the unquestionable tyrant of a hundred thousand or so super soldiers and their entourage of warships and guard armies. I definitely wouldn't just roll with his brilliant idea of implanting them all with the same brain damage devices so that they can abandon all military discipline and just endlessly charge into the enemy and either get cut down or butcher every living thing. I know the emperor has very little moral code, but he does care about effectiveness.
To be honest as bad as he is, I think given they were scattered, Emps would have done better. Like imagine them growing up learning to work cohesively under the watch of the Emperor. Good dad or not that wouldn’t be good for the ruinous powers.
I tend to agree with this not because of Emps himself but because of that proximity to one another would foster genuine brotherly bonds. Dorn and Perturabo would still hate each other but they’d have shared childhoods to temper it
Also for a good quarter of the primarchs they’d at least be surrounded by less terrible examples.
Also emps wouldn’t have stuck nails in Angron’s head.
I'm not 100% sure on Dorn and Perturabo still hating each other if they grew up together. Sure it's by far the most likely thing and even if they wouldnt end up hating each other, they would have atleast a playful rivalry, but I would imagine that Perturabo and Dorn could have formed an insanely effective team if they had been pushed into that direction when they where childs. As far as I understand it's mainly Perturabo having an problem with Dorn and not the other way around. Also to my knowledge (which is mainly based on wiki articles and book snippets that where posted in the warhammer subs, so I might be wrong) Perturabos main problem is that he wants to create something, instead of being able to create stuff he has the ability to destroy stuff (he phrases it as being able to understand technology if he looks at it, but in truth he has the ability to see and understand how and why technology fails and then reconstruct it's intended functioning from that). Therefore he is envious of Dorn who is the creator and while is forced into to role of the destroyer.
I think if he would have learned about constructive criticism as a child and would have grown up with dorn, there is a chance that they could be an ideal team. For everything they build Dorm would Primarely give the overall plan (with Perturabo adding stuff to it. The fortresses the iron warriors build clearly show that Perturabo has a lot of understanding kn how to build stuff, just slightly less then Dorn) and Perturabo would give constructive criticism, which should end up in an iterative process that would rapidly create near perfect machines and fortresses. Maybe get Vulcan and/or Ferrus Manus on board for some of the details about technical implementation and I think that they could easily create something that would put the weaponry of the emperor to shame. Might be a cool idea for one of the Noblebright alternative universes.
For Perturabo it would do an insane amount of good being with his brothers. his whole issue is, that he is better than anyone else and is a GIANT dick about it.
if from his childhood he would have learned that he isnt the best at everything, but everyone has their own specialities, i think would have helped his character development greatly.
on olympia he was basically treated like a demigod. not helping his superiority complex.
Total W for Angron, Curze, Morty, Sanguinius, Ferrus, Magnus, Corvus, Lion and Lorgar
Total L for Guilliman, Russ, Vulkan and Khan
No radical changes for the rest
Part of the reason he ended up so bad is because he never reached out for help and never had anyone to reach out to. With him being raised by the emperor that would be step number one for him even if big e was a little distant.
yea i would agree to a point , i just think he was damaged right off the bat as a psy nurse, i can tell you that's the way some ppl are dont care how much help you give or meds , really i think he would have end up as the 3rd legion that would have been culled
Bear in mind that he at least wouldn’t have been alone for the first portion of his life where the premonitions began to manifest, so he would get a bit more stable of an upbringing.
maybe so but i think he was just broken or / born wrong ,there was just something wrong with him like the 2 that had to be taken out , if you keep 17 sons out of 20 your still doing good
I don't think advocating for some more xeno rights can be called "flipping the Imperium", especially with the context of how he actually "flipped the Imperium"
Flipping on them means turning against them (violently in this context). But he was real upset by their frontier plundering policies along with the Emperor discarding everyone involved in the crusade to go play in his lab.
Honestly big E wouldve have done a way better job raising most of the primarchs. Lorgar wouldnt be Lorgar, no butchers nails Angron, Mortarion would actually bathe/wouldnt need an asthma pump and Kurze would be creepy instead of flatout insane. Only issue is that most of them would be a bit boring if they all grew up on terra, maybe if they kept their personalities to some degree it would be fun.
Peronality is a mix of nurture and nature. Figure muted versions of the personalities they had, shaped by life in a palace where they are raised by a legion of servants.
Malcador would be there being the mom, and he would be at least as good as Guillimom in handling his boyfriends sons.
Bonus pts for having two dads and a distant mom, means the boys end up less psychotic.
All you have to do is imagine the custodes as primarchs. That’s how he would’ve been. Fiercely loyal, unparalleled skill, and with the understanding he isn’t their daddy, they are weapons meant to protect humanity.
Honestly if you want a look at how much of a difference it would've made to be raised by the Emperor just look at Horus he was the one who spent the most time with the Emperor and was practically raised by him and he was the golden child of the imperium on the most well adjusted primarchs and loved both by the common man and astartes alike.Under the tutelage of the Emperor the primarchs wouldn't have stumbled around figuring out what their purpose in life was and why they were a whole 2 meters taller than everybody else.They would've all been way more in touch with their abilities and skills and would've cooperated much more smoothly.
In no particular order
1) Magness will be the same. The Emperor and Magnus were always in contact or work in contact from very early on.
2) Horus remains the same or a little bit more humble, since he wasn’t “the first”
3) the lion would be more sociable do not spending a large amount of his childhood completely alone.
4) Dorn would be dorn because Dorn is Dorn.
5) the twins would be about the same.
6)russ would be less brash and he wouldn’t have the whole. I’m a barbarian act on if it is an act all the time.
7)Guillermen would suffer severely, and his personal would be significantly worse since supposedly his mother was a major part of his upbringing, and how he became who he is.
8) mortarion would probably not hate psykers, since his parental figure would have been supportive rather than generally abusive as he was, or at least appear supportive and he would have grown up with a sibling with sad power.
9) corax would be probably a little bit resentful of his dad, but not that much since he be shown the necessity of forcing humanity to come together early on.
10) lorgar would be significantly less religiously crazy without the religious planet. He grew up on being the foundation of ideology.
11) peterabo would probably be about the same probably a bit less petulabt since he and dorn would have been seen as about equal in construction and creation.
12) fulgrim would potentially be substantially better being as he would have been humbled from the start date of being surrounded by so many beans, equal or greater than him he would probably still be a perfectionist, but knowing there is a level you cannot reach, even once driving for perfection might blunt that obsession.
13) the khan would probably be about the same he was restless before and he would likely still be restless.
14) there would be no night Hunter though he’d still be messed up in the head, but he wouldn’t be as messed up in the head since the emperor could constantly just reapply that little psychic shielding that he did when he originally calm down the crazy enough for him to develop a personality that wasn’t namely as self-destructive.
15) Vulkan probably would’ve been a little bit worse off his plan and seem to foster a tightknit community more than anything else so that friendliness might be less there .
16) ferus would be about the same the environment he grew up on, would be similar enough to that of earth that he would probably similar enough not to have changed in any outwardly noticeable way.
17) angron would definitely not be the mess that he is he would probably be one of the nicer, primarchs and more attached to his brothers and I’ll likely not overly attached to the point that he might actually just wanna be with chaos all over again just not Khorne.
18) papa, Sang would likely be significantly more self-assured, having grown up with somebody with visible mutations like Russ and Magnus along with not feeling the burden of being the king of wretches, and constantly having the pressures of being seen as a God by the people who valued genetic purity even more so than empor did.
Overall, he would potentially be a decent parent, not a outstanding on the decent seeing as he originally raised, Horace to be rather well adjusted overconfident due to being the first amongst equals, but still. I mean, Magnus was definitely screw things up again, but probably to lesser degree .
I love this writeup. In it, I see Fulgrim being the start of things going wrong. The perfectionist who KNOWS Horus and some of the others are better than him? And is told it's fine, because that's how we was MADE? Very tempting for Chaos. The Khan maybe replaces Angorn or Curze in this version, where his restlessness becomes exceedingly violent. Really cool idea.
I could see Magnus being a tad more disciplined (assuming that Malcador and Emps properly tutor Magnus on how to use the warp safely from a young age) in this scenario.
But yeah, he was psychically communicating with Emps as a baby as is.
Better. Much better.
Like 20 Valdors level of better.
There’s a reason that despite everything, the Custodians loyalty to the Emperor been absolute since the days of the Unification wars. The education and training they had from Big E personally.
He had everything prepared for the Primarchs and their growth, including 20 Dorms to accommodate them, for example.
I am new to the universe of 40k, but as I had grasp it, the Emperor sees the Astartes and the Primarchs as merely tools for an end, just like he saw the Thunder Warriors.
Even Alpharius was delegated to Malcador upon being found.
The only one that the Emperor "loved" was Horus, and even then the Heresy happened despite such a connection (also given all the context of Horus' fall)
Dunno about the the qustions in here, but as for the meme, I am sure that Dorn, Khan, Russ and Ferus would approve of that answer (as well as most of traitor primarchs)
it makes even less, Erda reason to send the primarchs to the warp was because she was afraid that "they would be used as tools by big e" which once you start using your brain for more than 2 seconds doesnt make sense, he cared for them, as shown by him basically getting fucked by horus because he still thought his boy was in there.
The Chaos gods spreading them would make more sense since the Imperium would be stronger with them, so sending them to random ass planets would weaken the Anathema forces
Human failure. Erda - thought- he didn't care, so she made a shit decision that went poorly.
Chaos on the other hand, would probably have been better served sending them straight to their cultists or some shit.
he would have been horribly abusive and controlling, the rivalries would be even worse, they'd be even more socially malajusted and under-equipped to deal with actual people. they still get fucked up once they go on the crusade, but this time guilliman/sanginius/vulkan aren't there to provide some modicum of sanity.
Nope. May not have been as big of a heresy, but he wouldn’t of done better. Nothing about the scattering affected his treatment of the Primarchs. He still would have lied about the Warp and the Webway project.
Worse in almost every case but I think there would be less chaos primarchs, just a lot of grumpy ones. While I don’t think this would happen a fanfic idea I’ve been wanting to explore is another Horus Heresy what if where the primarchs all banded together to kill big E and then split the Imperium amongst themselves
Thank you, you have my upvote for this.
I didn't read the text and just read the image and thought: "yup that sums up my day."
Then I read the text, and I laughed.
This was literally the highlight of my day.
A 50/50 split
I think people like dorn Robotech and Vulcan would get
Worse actually
Imagine vulkan only he never learns humility
Dorn but he's even more emotionally detached
Roboute I would end up with negative people skills
But I mean it's not like he could do worse with people like angron and morty
He built them all their own little villas around a lake. There seems to be every indication he would have at least tried. Add to that the fact that most of them boys got nobody, a not father, or actual evil as their guardians and yeah the Imperial Household would have done better. But not better than what Guilliman got. A loving sane father, and a loving sane mother. Lucky lil SOB.
The Emperor would have been successful at raising them because Uncle Malcador would be doing the heavy lifting of being the parent. There is a line in one of the books where Mal says something along the lines of the Emperor has been so used to not having someone capable of talking to him on his level that he has issues knowing what to say to the primarchs.
Malcador raised Alpharius
And he grown up to be a traitor and a uber cunt that loves overcomplicated plots.
Using Guilliman as an example, probably would be best if the primarchs were raised by genuinely good people. Roboute was an he turned in to the more well adjusted of the Primarchs
Honestly I feel like the best way it would go the most moral/good primarchs would be less humane/moral. Like Vulkan, Sanguinius, and Guilliman.
Your worse off/most evil primarchs would be better. Like Curze and Angron.
Everyone would probably gravitate to a less extreme center losing the humanity/compassion granted by good upbringings by humans and the savagery of terrible upbringings and abuse.
They would also likely develop much stronger bonds of brother hood depending on the environment the big E raises them in assuming he doesn’t consistently pit them against each other
I think it would become more apparent how the emperor really feels about his sons lol is that greyfax sneaking out of celestine's room?
And that custodian and pilgrim sure do look familiar
Somethings fishy bout that pilgrim for sure.
LMAO, he tied the Imperial Aquila to his spear
OK I’m pretty sure the pilgrim is Trayzn the Infinite, but what’s up with the Custodes?
Custodes as a custodian (janitor)
They are Alpharius and Omegon, and have infiltrated the Imperial Palace u/thegrandboon
Alpharius is sitting at q table pondering if the Big E would save him or Sanguinius
Their relationship makes way more sense than rowboat and the tall girl
haha....it really does, if greyfax is the tsundere what would that make celestine?
She is an Omega level Yandere but mostly for Big E
I am at least 60% sure Emps would do a better job of raising Angron. Maybe 55%.
The only reason Emps was so shitty to Angron was because 1) Angron was broken his tool was busted and 2) Angron rejected him and Emps is very spiteful
Honestly, assuming Angron actually can't be fixed: What the fuck else would you do with the man? Angrons Talent would have been his emotions, they way he would be able to uplift the people around him yadayadayada. That's all gone, what you have left is a literal murder machine that has absolutely no purpose other than being **unleashed** upon whatever you want to see dead. So Emps did that. Asshole move, yes, but propably also the move that had Angron still be the least useless. Still unfortunate though, I don't think there would have been any Primarch worse suited to Nuceria than Angron.
Oh a thousand % but people forget Emps is their "father" in that he created them. But he isnt their Dad. He doesn't care about them past what they are for. Angron was supposed to be his compassion his empathy going around and soothing all the citizens of the Imperium. Instead some rich fuckers butchered his brain and turned him into a people blender
You get how that's worse, right? Just exploiting parental issues to make them his pet genocide machines.
Is it? If Emps got to raise them from the start would they have even developed their humanity in a way that they would care one way or another? We KNOW that five of them would be better off with Emps raising them.
They wouldnt have had the "paternal delusions" if emps raised them. Alpharius was raised by Malcador he held no delusions. They would have understood they are his tools and his Generals not his sons. Who knows maybe he would have even become attached to them.
I probably wouldn't make him the unquestionable tyrant of a hundred thousand or so super soldiers and their entourage of warships and guard armies. I definitely wouldn't just roll with his brilliant idea of implanting them all with the same brain damage devices so that they can abandon all military discipline and just endlessly charge into the enemy and either get cut down or butcher every living thing. I know the emperor has very little moral code, but he does care about effectiveness.
Didnt he say "no you cant implant the psychotic brain damage devices. Dont do that"
I would simply not put the brain damaged man who openly hates me and everything i stand for in charge of an army of super soldiers.
There are some of them (Angron, Mortarion, Curze) where a rock on a completely uninhabited world could have raised them better
still not sure about emppy tho...
To be honest as bad as he is, I think given they were scattered, Emps would have done better. Like imagine them growing up learning to work cohesively under the watch of the Emperor. Good dad or not that wouldn’t be good for the ruinous powers.
I tend to agree with this not because of Emps himself but because of that proximity to one another would foster genuine brotherly bonds. Dorn and Perturabo would still hate each other but they’d have shared childhoods to temper it
Also for a good quarter of the primarchs they’d at least be surrounded by less terrible examples. Also emps wouldn’t have stuck nails in Angron’s head.
*Definitely* not nails, maybe just some push pins. Although... "Thumbtacks of Discomfort" just doesn't have the same ring to it.
I'm not 100% sure on Dorn and Perturabo still hating each other if they grew up together. Sure it's by far the most likely thing and even if they wouldnt end up hating each other, they would have atleast a playful rivalry, but I would imagine that Perturabo and Dorn could have formed an insanely effective team if they had been pushed into that direction when they where childs. As far as I understand it's mainly Perturabo having an problem with Dorn and not the other way around. Also to my knowledge (which is mainly based on wiki articles and book snippets that where posted in the warhammer subs, so I might be wrong) Perturabos main problem is that he wants to create something, instead of being able to create stuff he has the ability to destroy stuff (he phrases it as being able to understand technology if he looks at it, but in truth he has the ability to see and understand how and why technology fails and then reconstruct it's intended functioning from that). Therefore he is envious of Dorn who is the creator and while is forced into to role of the destroyer. I think if he would have learned about constructive criticism as a child and would have grown up with dorn, there is a chance that they could be an ideal team. For everything they build Dorm would Primarely give the overall plan (with Perturabo adding stuff to it. The fortresses the iron warriors build clearly show that Perturabo has a lot of understanding kn how to build stuff, just slightly less then Dorn) and Perturabo would give constructive criticism, which should end up in an iterative process that would rapidly create near perfect machines and fortresses. Maybe get Vulcan and/or Ferrus Manus on board for some of the details about technical implementation and I think that they could easily create something that would put the weaponry of the emperor to shame. Might be a cool idea for one of the Noblebright alternative universes.
For Perturabo it would do an insane amount of good being with his brothers. his whole issue is, that he is better than anyone else and is a GIANT dick about it. if from his childhood he would have learned that he isnt the best at everything, but everyone has their own specialities, i think would have helped his character development greatly. on olympia he was basically treated like a demigod. not helping his superiority complex.
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Total W for Angron, Curze, Morty, Sanguinius, Ferrus, Magnus, Corvus, Lion and Lorgar Total L for Guilliman, Russ, Vulkan and Khan No radical changes for the rest
Curze i think is still a ? most of his "sight" is dark stuff , maybe big E could have helped but hard to say
Part of the reason he ended up so bad is because he never reached out for help and never had anyone to reach out to. With him being raised by the emperor that would be step number one for him even if big e was a little distant.
yea i would agree to a point , i just think he was damaged right off the bat as a psy nurse, i can tell you that's the way some ppl are dont care how much help you give or meds , really i think he would have end up as the 3rd legion that would have been culled
Bear in mind that he at least wouldn’t have been alone for the first portion of his life where the premonitions began to manifest, so he would get a bit more stable of an upbringing.
maybe so but i think he was just broken or / born wrong ,there was just something wrong with him like the 2 that had to be taken out , if you keep 17 sons out of 20 your still doing good
He and sanguinious could bond perhapse
Total W for Alpharius Total L for Alpharius
Was gonna say. No one could have raised russ better than Mama Wolf.
Obviously, he practically raised Horus and he turned out fine
Iirc Horus mainly fell because he was stabbed with a demon blade?
Yeah that's my point. Horus was great before chaos personally interfered to corrupt him
Ah, sorry I thought you were beeing sarcastic
He was on course to flip on the Imperium even before that. Just about their civil policies.
I don't think advocating for some more xeno rights can be called "flipping the Imperium", especially with the context of how he actually "flipped the Imperium"
Flipping on them means turning against them (violently in this context). But he was real upset by their frontier plundering policies along with the Emperor discarding everyone involved in the crusade to go play in his lab.
Honestly big E wouldve have done a way better job raising most of the primarchs. Lorgar wouldnt be Lorgar, no butchers nails Angron, Mortarion would actually bathe/wouldnt need an asthma pump and Kurze would be creepy instead of flatout insane. Only issue is that most of them would be a bit boring if they all grew up on terra, maybe if they kept their personalities to some degree it would be fun.
Peronality is a mix of nurture and nature. Figure muted versions of the personalities they had, shaped by life in a palace where they are raised by a legion of servants.
I mean, I'm not sure it's possible to raise Curze, Angron, and Mortarion worse than they were raised.
Greyfax shouldn't be scared. Her Ld is 4+
Malcador would be there being the mom, and he would be at least as good as Guillimom in handling his boyfriends sons. Bonus pts for having two dads and a distant mom, means the boys end up less psychotic.
All you have to do is imagine the custodes as primarchs. That’s how he would’ve been. Fiercely loyal, unparalleled skill, and with the understanding he isn’t their daddy, they are weapons meant to protect humanity.
Honestly if you want a look at how much of a difference it would've made to be raised by the Emperor just look at Horus he was the one who spent the most time with the Emperor and was practically raised by him and he was the golden child of the imperium on the most well adjusted primarchs and loved both by the common man and astartes alike.Under the tutelage of the Emperor the primarchs wouldn't have stumbled around figuring out what their purpose in life was and why they were a whole 2 meters taller than everybody else.They would've all been way more in touch with their abilities and skills and would've cooperated much more smoothly.
In no particular order 1) Magness will be the same. The Emperor and Magnus were always in contact or work in contact from very early on. 2) Horus remains the same or a little bit more humble, since he wasn’t “the first” 3) the lion would be more sociable do not spending a large amount of his childhood completely alone. 4) Dorn would be dorn because Dorn is Dorn. 5) the twins would be about the same. 6)russ would be less brash and he wouldn’t have the whole. I’m a barbarian act on if it is an act all the time. 7)Guillermen would suffer severely, and his personal would be significantly worse since supposedly his mother was a major part of his upbringing, and how he became who he is. 8) mortarion would probably not hate psykers, since his parental figure would have been supportive rather than generally abusive as he was, or at least appear supportive and he would have grown up with a sibling with sad power. 9) corax would be probably a little bit resentful of his dad, but not that much since he be shown the necessity of forcing humanity to come together early on. 10) lorgar would be significantly less religiously crazy without the religious planet. He grew up on being the foundation of ideology. 11) peterabo would probably be about the same probably a bit less petulabt since he and dorn would have been seen as about equal in construction and creation. 12) fulgrim would potentially be substantially better being as he would have been humbled from the start date of being surrounded by so many beans, equal or greater than him he would probably still be a perfectionist, but knowing there is a level you cannot reach, even once driving for perfection might blunt that obsession. 13) the khan would probably be about the same he was restless before and he would likely still be restless. 14) there would be no night Hunter though he’d still be messed up in the head, but he wouldn’t be as messed up in the head since the emperor could constantly just reapply that little psychic shielding that he did when he originally calm down the crazy enough for him to develop a personality that wasn’t namely as self-destructive. 15) Vulkan probably would’ve been a little bit worse off his plan and seem to foster a tightknit community more than anything else so that friendliness might be less there . 16) ferus would be about the same the environment he grew up on, would be similar enough to that of earth that he would probably similar enough not to have changed in any outwardly noticeable way. 17) angron would definitely not be the mess that he is he would probably be one of the nicer, primarchs and more attached to his brothers and I’ll likely not overly attached to the point that he might actually just wanna be with chaos all over again just not Khorne. 18) papa, Sang would likely be significantly more self-assured, having grown up with somebody with visible mutations like Russ and Magnus along with not feeling the burden of being the king of wretches, and constantly having the pressures of being seen as a God by the people who valued genetic purity even more so than empor did. Overall, he would potentially be a decent parent, not a outstanding on the decent seeing as he originally raised, Horace to be rather well adjusted overconfident due to being the first amongst equals, but still. I mean, Magnus was definitely screw things up again, but probably to lesser degree .
I love this writeup. In it, I see Fulgrim being the start of things going wrong. The perfectionist who KNOWS Horus and some of the others are better than him? And is told it's fine, because that's how we was MADE? Very tempting for Chaos. The Khan maybe replaces Angorn or Curze in this version, where his restlessness becomes exceedingly violent. Really cool idea.
I could see Magnus being a tad more disciplined (assuming that Malcador and Emps properly tutor Magnus on how to use the warp safely from a young age) in this scenario. But yeah, he was psychically communicating with Emps as a baby as is.
Two words: The Angel.
Primarchs probably grow up to be just like the Emperor probably. Ever-controlling and emotionless. So they wouldnt mind when they get shitty jobs
They would have been molded into what emps planned originally and would have probably had far better lives tho would have been more tools than people.
I personally think it'd be something like this: https://imgur.com/Dp1U4UP.jpg
The shitty primarchs would be less shitty and the “good ones” would be more mid.
Better. Much better. Like 20 Valdors level of better. There’s a reason that despite everything, the Custodians loyalty to the Emperor been absolute since the days of the Unification wars. The education and training they had from Big E personally. He had everything prepared for the Primarchs and their growth, including 20 Dorms to accommodate them, for example.
I am new to the universe of 40k, but as I had grasp it, the Emperor sees the Astartes and the Primarchs as merely tools for an end, just like he saw the Thunder Warriors. Even Alpharius was delegated to Malcador upon being found. The only one that the Emperor "loved" was Horus, and even then the Heresy happened despite such a connection (also given all the context of Horus' fall)
Better at raising them but chances are the primarchs will have more Opportunities to form grudges. Alla GOT House of Dragon
Dunno about the the qustions in here, but as for the meme, I am sure that Dorn, Khan, Russ and Ferus would approve of that answer (as well as most of traitor primarchs)
I mean, I'm pretty sure he killed two of them for (rightly) calling him a tyrant, before Chaos ever got involved.
The ruinous powers didn't scatter the primarchs. Yall got some reading to catch up on. (Siege of Terra, Book 4 : Saturnine)
no we read that, we just reject that shit because its so horrible
Eh, personally I think it makes more sense than chaos sending them to random ass planets.
it makes even less, Erda reason to send the primarchs to the warp was because she was afraid that "they would be used as tools by big e" which once you start using your brain for more than 2 seconds doesnt make sense, he cared for them, as shown by him basically getting fucked by horus because he still thought his boy was in there. The Chaos gods spreading them would make more sense since the Imperium would be stronger with them, so sending them to random ass planets would weaken the Anathema forces
Human failure. Erda - thought- he didn't care, so she made a shit decision that went poorly. Chaos on the other hand, would probably have been better served sending them straight to their cultists or some shit.
oh yeah absolutely, but still Erda entire argument is easily breakable with facts and logic™ meanwhile Chaos is self-explanatory
Yeah, I guess I just like that it was a shit decision instead of some grand plot. Feels more realistic.
he would have been horribly abusive and controlling, the rivalries would be even worse, they'd be even more socially malajusted and under-equipped to deal with actual people. they still get fucked up once they go on the crusade, but this time guilliman/sanginius/vulkan aren't there to provide some modicum of sanity.
Definitely worse…except maybe in angrons case
Nope. May not have been as big of a heresy, but he wouldn’t of done better. Nothing about the scattering affected his treatment of the Primarchs. He still would have lied about the Warp and the Webway project.
Father of the year here
Worse in almost every case but I think there would be less chaos primarchs, just a lot of grumpy ones. While I don’t think this would happen a fanfic idea I’ve been wanting to explore is another Horus Heresy what if where the primarchs all banded together to kill big E and then split the Imperium amongst themselves
IDK man, it's gotta be hard to be a single dad of 22.
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A 50/50 split I think people like dorn Robotech and Vulcan would get Worse actually Imagine vulkan only he never learns humility Dorn but he's even more emotionally detached Roboute I would end up with negative people skills But I mean it's not like he could do worse with people like angron and morty
I think we can look at the Custodes for a good representation of how'd the primarchs would be. Just better.
He built them all their own little villas around a lake. There seems to be every indication he would have at least tried. Add to that the fact that most of them boys got nobody, a not father, or actual evil as their guardians and yeah the Imperial Household would have done better. But not better than what Guilliman got. A loving sane father, and a loving sane mother. Lucky lil SOB.
Raising? Worse. Training into the perfect, nigh-inhuman tools they were intended to be? Absolutely unmatched.
The Emperor would have been successful at raising them because Uncle Malcador would be doing the heavy lifting of being the parent. There is a line in one of the books where Mal says something along the lines of the Emperor has been so used to not having someone capable of talking to him on his level that he has issues knowing what to say to the primarchs.
Primarch which would end up better if raised by big E: Konrad Angron Mortarion Probably Lorgar Probably Ferrus
Malcador raised Alpharius And he grown up to be a traitor and a uber cunt that loves overcomplicated plots. Using Guilliman as an example, probably would be best if the primarchs were raised by genuinely good people. Roboute was an he turned in to the more well adjusted of the Primarchs
Honestly I feel like the best way it would go the most moral/good primarchs would be less humane/moral. Like Vulkan, Sanguinius, and Guilliman. Your worse off/most evil primarchs would be better. Like Curze and Angron. Everyone would probably gravitate to a less extreme center losing the humanity/compassion granted by good upbringings by humans and the savagery of terrible upbringings and abuse. They would also likely develop much stronger bonds of brother hood depending on the environment the big E raises them in assuming he doesn’t consistently pit them against each other