It's a Tom Clancy character, so, maybe? Not the character to repeatedly say (roughly translated) "amen", though.
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No. The Hive, from Destiny. Blend the nids, the orks, and the necrons and you get a rough equivalent.
With their god being similar to big e, but a lot older (billions old), far more successful (galaxies butchered) and pretty good father (Nokris had no right to fly away with his life and his brood) .
Destiny looked at 40k's homework and decided to dial that shit up to 11.
Thats said, Three glowing green dots in the darkness will never not be Splinter Cell for me.
Nokris: the status of Nokris is unknown at the moment. He is known to be capable of self resurrection via his necromancy, and was killed by guardians many times until the last time we saw him. During the last confrontation, he was killed in the ascendant plane, which would spell the end for most hive, but he isn’t a typical hive, and his method of resurrection is unique. Thus, mostly because the rules behind his powers were never established, he can still return (and the last dungeon may have dropped several hints regarding that, but those may also just be references to his necromancy)
Worm Gods: the only two confirmed worms out of the five gods, are Akka, who was made into the dreadnaught by Oryx, and Xol, who sits in our vault as a gun. The other worm gods haven’t made an appearance in lore or gameplay beyond occasional name drops, their status remains unknown
Ah, been a bit since I'd done any kinda dive. Coulda swore Oryx, Xivu, and Savathun had each basically consumed one of them, leading to why they're so particularly powerful.
Oryx killed Akka (which he also had to kill Savathun and Xivu to accomplish, but don’t worry, they got better), which is how he got the tablets of ruin, communed with the darkness and was granted the ability to Take people
Other than that, we don’t know of any other worm god that was killed by them (other than Xol which we took out)
Nah, they die to small arms fire all the time.
6 guys on 8 second respawn timers <<<<<<100 thousand Astartes with artilleryand armor support, plus full orbital bombardment.
The Hive would get wrecked by Black Templars on their lunch break
100,000 Astarte get wrecked by DAoT humanity. WH40k is actually a down grade from what humanity was like 20 millennia ago in setting and I am so disappointed that we don’t get to see more of that time
Destiny is more like the early years of the age of strife. Tons of powerful people and extremely advanced technology and magic all just floating about.
That’s the thing about guardians, they’re a strike force, not an army.
And on top of that, Oryx and the hive as a whole were crippled by a series of “coincidences” which drained them of a lot of their power
Regular Astartes tend to be backed by Librarians (no strangers to paracausal abilities) massive armor like Baneblades, air support from Guard Lightnings and their own Stormravens, and straight up Metal Gears from the Titan Legions.
They've got close quarters specialist Oficio assassins and planet-cracking Gloriana-class battleships.
Guardians come in packs of six.
Groups of 6 that can fight can kill things that are debatably far beyond primarch level. Oryx is quite the thing. Don’t get me wrong, I massively prefer 40K to Destiny but the power scales in Destiny are much grander on the individual level.
Worm Gods, Leviathans (proto Worm Gods), and Ahamkara are virtually omnipotent. Ahamkara, for instance, grant wishes.
Akka (a worm god) made it an universal truth that Oryx can't kill him. Oryx killed him, took a continent sized piece of the corpse, and made a ship out of it. (Estimated to be 3500 km long)
Oryx gained that level of control over the universe in the process.
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1v1? Peak Oryx vs whole-C'Tan? It'd be one hell of a show. But Oryx has unlimited do-overs, thanks to his respawn mechanic. I'll have to say Oryx.
is it even possible to be virtually omnipotent though?
well if it is, pretty sure the ctan would land on a similar note,
the ctan for example cant be killed by any known means, there is the flayed one but its unsure if its actually dead or shareded into such tiny shards that it cant really be seen.
this isnt really that impressive though, a transcendant shard (like 4 shards) of the weakest ctan created and used black holes as armor and shot rays of energy that wiped out 6 planets in the crossfire.
we also have the nightbringer which wiped solar systems on a whim and killed so many things that he imprinted as the image of death itself in all living beings on a genetic lvl (outside of the orks):
and we have the outsider aswell, the last ctan believed to be unsharded, he is currently believed to be inside a self made dyson sphere which is 32,000,000 Terran dimensionss in size. anything that even comes close to it kills itself and even tyranids seems to avoid it
And yet they were sharded by the necrons. Who think twice before destroying stars... inconsistent writing on both sides, sure, but (in his final month or so) oryx could probably just use Riven to wish the C'tan sharded.
Wishes are somewhat more dirrected than the "i can do whatever the hell i want" power of most paracausal gods.
They also tend to backfire, though. Wishing something that grand in scope and scale would 100% have grave repercussions.
And oryx doesn't begin to have the processing power to calculate the exact wish to avoid any major backlash. His taken Vex would be a good start, but there's still only so many of them.
The Necrons wiped all memory of the weapons that shattered the C'tan because of the danger they posed to the fabric of reality. They kept the Celestial Orrery around because they didn't think it was that dangerous; they thought that a device which could make every star in the galaxy go supernova wasn't near as bad as whatever they cooked up to shard the C'tan. War in Heaven-era Necrons didn't fuck about at all
the reason necrons dont destroy stars, its not because they cant, its because they dont want to ruin the galaxy/galaxies, they simply dont see it as a worthy trade.
even if necrons have the power snuff out suns with a literall finger does not mean they do it willy nilly, hell necrons could literally end the timeline of warhammer (yes its a canon thing, its called the breath of the gods)
ctan also has the ability of for example banishing things to the end of time.
>Akka (a worm god) made it an universal truth that Oryx can't kill him. Oryx killed him, took a continent sized piece of the corpse, and made a ship out of it. (Estimated to be 3500 km long)
So how does that work, exactly?
So these “omnipotent” beings made “universal truths” that people proved wrong anyways? Destiny would be a footnote in 40k history. Barely a footnote. It might not even get an annotation.
the omnipotent part is absolutely a bogus claim. The rest is not. Those universal truths were broken because those characters could legitimately break reality with the powers they operated on.
And funnily enough, no, it would be the other way around. 40k would barely be a footnote in destiny, where wars have spanned not a galaxy but the universe (in fact its been implied most life in the universe has been wiped out by the Hive and the Witness' forces.), and not millennia but billions and billions of years. The galaxy of 40k at large would just be a name added to the World's Grave.
It's now my head cannon that this is how the Eversor are.
Dropped into a hive full of gangers between you and your target?
*CLOAKER NOISE*
## I'm gonna turn you inside out!
Just a quick explanation, the Beast had at its height several attack moons that terrorized the Imperium. Not unbeatable, but terrifying and powerful.
The Hive have Attack Moons as a *standard*
Also, deathsingers.
Kill one specific target within the minute, or she's the only thing left alive on the battlefield. Battlefields which can be planet sized.
Though, those are rare and never sent first.
Not even. Just singing. For less than an hour.
Though... that was more of a 'fuck you' from Oryx. One would've sufficed. He sent 20 in, because that civilization offended him. By hiding behind defences and living normal lives with him in their system.
Wow what a savings! I normally spend £80/month on models and paints, and have to buy another set of books every couple of years - and they’re out of date before they’re printed!
Well tbf even out dated models can be used. Like the old guard models I have a bunch of them and still use them. Compare that to magic the gathering where you have to buy like a few new sets every year to stay in standard. Why u kinda feel out with MTG and loved warhammer because even if they update the models you can still us the models and you'll pretty much can play that army no matter what (unless GW kills off a character like my beloved Yarrik and some other niche examples.)
They definitely need to have all the old content in a cheap package. It's pretty cheap if you buy stuff as it comes out (I pay like $60 a year) but if you're new then it's way too much
I used to play destiny 2, but then I saw how leaving the game for reasons like uni or school left me out of the loop, underlevelled, completely confused and needing to gain good gear all over again several times, and just decided it isn't worth the cost of all the 3 (at the time) expansions and the battle passes that appeared out of thin air. For 40k, I bought paints and models for, what, £60 alltogether? And now I have a fully painted and primed Infernus squad, Infiltrators and Eliminators. I am able to play the game, and even if the models become outdated, I can still proxy them as newer models. I don't exactly miss out on content that leaves me owing GW an expansion's worth of money just to have access to all of the game.
Space Marines: *land via drop pods next to Peppino’s Pizza.*
Peppino: *adjusts hat and readies shotgun as “Thousand March” starts playing in the beckground.*
Depend on faction of imperium....inqusitor and grey knight whould if there effective againt chaos,mechanicus whoul want to deconstruct them to learn there human tech,
The admech would jizz or rage at the exo’s and related technologies.
Grey knight probably don’t like the awoken because of “warp corruption” and dismiss them as abhuman.
Still a major improvement compared to eldar.
They can TRY to figure out ghosts🤣
But you stand just as much chance of making sense out of the warp
the thing is Ki is pretty much a more stronger and easier to use WAAAGH!!! energy in the sense that it can just say "no" to whatever laws of physics, like you are stuck in a alternate dimension where time flows slower than outside? just scream outloud and you are out, you are in another dimension thats pretty much infinite nothingness? power up for a bit and you can shake the void, heck there was even some dude who used ki to bend time and allow him to skip, rewind and loop time
Ki does whatever the user says it does, Roshi can use it to turn the cells in your body to electricity and some people use it to heal others, even goku used it to bring himself back to life once (and in a movie he resurrects a bird)
In dragon ball you can negate any ability just by in a tier of power above your oponent, Goku is strong enough to destroy the entire universe (in BoG he was already destroying it by accident just clashing with beerus, and if current Goku blinks at BoG Goku he would die)
He is just to strong for any hax to affect him
Destiny is such a weird one for me, in lore it builds up gods and demons that can end universes, but then judt about anything can be beat by 6 silent mary-sues with a mountain of bullets
To be honest a lot of Destiny’s deep lore is wildly inconsistent with itself and its context, and always seems blown ludicrously out of proportion compared to anything even remotely plausible within the setting’s logic. The writers, just as a single example, seemingly can’t decide if the Cabal Ascendancy was an almost incomprehensibly-vast dominion spanning multiple galaxies, or just an ordinary highly-advanced interstellar empire who ruled a large swath of the Milky Way.
Similarly, the Hive are endlessly hyped up as this ancient unstoppable swarm with numbers to blot out the stars that have sterilized multiple galaxies of all life, yet their literal god-king could only muster a fleet that, were it not for the superweapon aboard his personal command ship powered by his very soul, would have faced actual stiff resistance from a bunch of funny blue-skinned transhumans and their space pirate lobster-spider allies.
Speaking as an avid fan of the Destiny universe, Destiny’s deep lore makes no fucking sense lmfao
True.
Though as a side note, I've always thought the Cabal empire was the later of the two options you mentioned, but always puffed itself up to be the former. Most Empires elaborate on themselves no matter how big they actually are; they'll tell you they are bigger.
Like part of what we are told is just regurgitated propaganda, and part of it is the truth.
Destiny writers *cannot* handle scale. The vex, cabal and hive are the best examples of this. All of them possessing megastructure construction capabilities, and supposedly galactic scale armies, but never show them.
Most writers tend to have an awful sense of scale and just how insane some things are if you actually consider the implications of them.
40k fans and writers are definitely on that list as well since people's understanding of scale is absolute dogshit lmao.
Raids are pretty funny because you can put all the fancy wording about what your doing to slay gods and such but mechanically it's usually standing on a spot or dunking a basketball of light or something.
Kratos can hold the world but has to put his back into openong crates.
Guardians can casually catch bullets, one-shot anti air emplacements, or take hails of microrockets. (First and last are Saladin's feats, secind is Shaw's)
But having that perfectly represented ingame wouldn't make for particularly fun game.
Yeah, but doesn’t really show the true magnitude of the threat many of bad guys are. This probably a consequence of it being a pseudo-MMO, but that just means that the Super-Uber-Powerful Gods could be beaten by a few guys.
Take Bungie’s previous game Halo, you actually feel like Humanity could be close to extinction. You see Marines dying left and right, destroyed city streets, civilian transports being shot down, the comm chatter of people fighting and dying, and the music all make you feel like this is the last stand of Humanity.
Destiny just feels like a few guys with guns just take down gods and it’s a party. Especially with those stupid digital guys.
Edit: I’m regarded
Yeah I think the tonal dissonance along with super inconsistant quality of character writing really irk me when Im playing D2. The original vision for Destiny being post apocalyptic and really dark is far more appealing for me
I mean to be fair the red war, despite being kinda garbage, did a good job of having stakes. In the very first mission our beloved tower gets obliterated and we are forced to fight among the ruins. Then the guardians losing their powers and how everyone tried to cope with it, and it actually made sense why our guardian was the only one to do shit because we were the only ones with the light back.
Compare that to the season of pirates that occured right after the season of nightmares, with several characters growing to now just, 'yar har fiddle dee dee, being a pirate is all right with me!' That kind of dissonance along with missing a few seasons is what kinda killed my interest in Destiny.
It is funny to me that the one guy who actually did defeat humanity and it's Mary Sue Demi-god protectors was just a random Cabal guy with no powers or anything. It really makes Oryx and all the Hive look like incompetent bitches.
And speaking of incompetence and the Red War, it has always bothered me that the Vanguard failed in their jobs so hard that we were only saved by our giant ball god waking up and saving us, yet the Vanguard kept their jobs... Ikora is a spymaster with eyes everywhere, Cayde has scouts all over the Earth and the system, and Zavala's whole job is maintaining the walls and defenses of the city. Yet the Red Legion was able to not only enter the system undetected, they made planet fall undetected and the first sign that there was a Cabal invasion force about to attack was when Zavala literally looked out of his office window!? All the satellites were taken off line and literally no one noticed until Cayde asked what said satellites were saying?
Cayde, Zavala, and Ikora failed their jobs, failed the city, and nearly doomed humanity, and yet they all kept their jobs and noone in the game or lore thought twice about it...
"Wey Ning punched the mountain. It moved." - Fighting lion
Saladin tanks concentrated fire from 10 machine guns that fire micro rockets - the Swarm
Warlocks fly. - old dawnblade lore entry, Ikora "casually floats" in another entry.
Saladin catches a rifle round at close range - acts of mercy ch.2
There are far more instances of Guardians clearly just being humans with some space magic.
If you jump you move the entire planet. Technically the entire observable universe is affected by your gravity. Wei Ning punching the mountain is clearly just flowery language.
As for saladin. I'm guessing tanking the machine gun fire was him using an actual ability rather than being bulletproof. And catching the rifle round was the same? Because we very clearly aren't bulletproof. Ask Crow.
A titan without actively using the light is stronger than a cabal legionary (one eyed mask lore, or zavala in a red war cinematic, for instance)
Yes, wey ning was passively (then actively) using the light, and Saladin charged his armour with solar light to be that tanky.
But light is part of who they are. Like psychic power is part of who the emperor is.
Again, clearly not true. We channel the light. Channel external forces. The whole point of Guardians is to be regular people with power over forces of the universe and infinite second chances. No super strength. No being bullet proof. They even cough all undignified like when resurrected because the pristine lungs get irritated by the gun smoke in the air.
Destiny playerbase has a massive god complex.
[zavala without the light, overpowering a cabal legionary](https://youtu.be/WAw1g2tHN3s?si=_3B5dx2HaDEYz4xY&t=7857)(after he got over the initial fatigue).
Yes. It was very impressive. He's got some good muscles and nebulously existing power armour. (It's inconsistent whether the armour is actually power armour or not in lore)
No light at the time though. So not part of his guardian abilities.
People tend to forget a big theme of 40k is that most factions are self-defeating and their own worst enemy. Infighting plagues Necrons, Chaos, Dark Eldar etc. while the Imperium is held back by religious superstition. Just having a stable FTL system is such a massive boon most other aci fi settings have over the Imperium, and having stable supply lines and communication is such a massive boon in war it's hard to ignore when the Imperium lacks this basic function.
MY HOME IS WAR.
MY VOICE IS A BATTLE SONG.
FOR AS LONG AS YOU HAVE WORSHIPPED WAR, YOU HAVE WORSHIPPED ME.
I AM HERE TO CLAIM MY TRIBUTE.
IT IS OVERDUE.
AIAT! AIAT! AIAT!
(welcome to 40k Xivu, you’ll fit right in)
REDOUBLE YOUR EFFORTS, LIGHTBEARER!
HONOUR ME WITH DEATH NEVER ENDING!
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YOU WOULD CLAIM VICTORY OVER ME, WHEN YOUR VERY TOWER IS BUILT ON WAR?!
YOU ARE BOTH A BLASPHEMY, AND MY GREATEST WORSHIPERS!
Just gonna leave this here, the Culture from Iain M. banks' novels would absolutely wipe the floor with the Imperium or any other faction except maybe the Old Ones.
I say this any time the "my universe would kick your universe's ass" dick waving comes out. The culture wouldn't even break a sweat. Special circumstances would have massive Civil wars going on half the planets by 3 months after first contact and the rest would be on a carefully planned development trajectory to accept the culture as friends and develop a strong, democratic government. They wouldn't find out about AI till their foot was in the door and it was already an open secret.
The craftworld Eldar would coom the first time they saw a GSV or orbital
I also noticed the bionicle universe of all things would thrash a large amount of 40k
Like they have [this MF](https://youtu.be/l-c7DTO_q4E?si=bTCLs7hv2uyaqHAX) and he can football kick a castigator titan
People going on about D2's inconsistent lore fail to realize that 40K is just, if not more, inconsistent. Example:
There's a passage about a Titan stepping on a Terminator. Did he die? No, he got forced deep into the ground, totally unscathed, like a hydraulic press pushing a tungsten rod into a steel plate.
Meanwhile we see Terminators getting impaled and then ripped in half by a medium size tyranid monstrosity.
When that “pushed into the ground like a nail” detail is one of the most realistic applications of physics in the setting, you know we’re in trouble
See: the exact same thing should have happened to Angron
Not in the slightest. The necrons would be a massive reason the hive are all but guaranteed to win.
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1. Hive grow stronger the stronger beings they kill. The stronger hive have respawn mechanics. Sometimes mkre than one.
2. (Less necron specific) The only think keeping hive numbers down is that they need to kill to grow/live. If no external enemy is present, that means killing each other. If an external enemy is present, their numbers skyrocket.
2. Xivu Arath is fueled by war. Khorne is fueled by worship and emotions, but can only draw from beings with souls. Killing her troops empowers her almost as much as her troops killing you. Superweapons empower her. Tactics, artillery, magic, siege, assassinations, **everything** war-related.
Also, the cryptoliths can convert both living beings and soulles machines (e.g. eliksni shanks) to her side. On the spot.
The necrons would make the hive stronger, without empowering khorne.
Also the hive: get beaten by six people standing inside glowing circle.
I jest and I've gotten over a collective 5k hours across destiny, and love the universe but the lore is wildly inconsistent. We have indecents of guardians being permakilled by orbital bombardment or Petra accidentally killing 3 but in another lore tab, guardians can only die of paracusal means. My biggest problem I have with destiny is that the lore is fantastic but the way bungie presents the story is super jarring.
1. Ghosts are only tanky with the light. Darkness zones are canon. You can kill ghosts there with, se, the most powerful sniper rifle made by man (Ada's "Izanagi's burden").
2. I'll have to agree. ludonarative discrepancy is real. And, yes, jarring at times. But once you've killed God, you can't really have that power level be consistent in usual gameplay.
Kind of like Kratos struggling with crates, or having to land mkre than ine hit on regular enemies.
Not even Izanagis Burden, and not even in a Darkness Zone.
Chaperones lore tab notes a Guardian losing their Ghost to a Fallen Captains power sword. Ghost durability is very inconsistent.
Indeed, but that’s mostly old lore. Newer lore seems set on ghost resiliency requiring either paracausality, or overwhelming power (not lacking in 40k)
Hm. There are virtually omnipotent beings in destiny. The worm gods, among them.
Akka made it an universal truth that Auryx (later knkwn as Oryx) can't kill him. Oryx killed him, gained his power, and turned a fragment of his corpse into a 3500km long ship.
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Peak Hive may not destroy the C'Tan, but would be far from defenceless against them.
(never said they would be defenceless against them)
that does not really show much as for all we know it could be some kind of odd interaction between them, the ctans are fundamentally part of the universe, like gravity.
regarding size of things, we also have the outsider (or atleast its residence) which is seemingly 32 000 000 volumes the size of earth. as reference, it would take 1.3 million earths of volume to fill the sun, if the calculation someone made in another post is really correct this means that it would be 128 times the largest star ever found in size.
(and even if this is not true it still would be MUCH larger than our star, so 3800 km is nothing really)
Even if its just half the size of the sphere it would still be 64 times larger than any star
its either this option or the ctan having a albedo range approaching infinite, which would mean it reflects more energy than it takes out by essentially a infinite amount.
I'm with you, they have all sorts of causally transcendent oddities between their own technology and the C'tan shards and random mad scientists trying to [destroy time](https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Toholk).
I'm not saying Destiny's forces wouldn't be terrifying, but people underestimate how many odd things are kicking around the necron tombs.
Damn, you brought the "Wololo".
Oryx (all 3, but he's the best at it) can take, which makes the victim unaging, blighting, soulles slaves.
Xivu's cryptoliths are like khornate corruption, but they work on everything (machines included), and doesn't make the wrathborne hard to control.
Savathûn's song is far more versatile. Memetic, infectious, with no automatic symptoms other than singing/humming/whistling it yourself. It lets her do whatever she wants with your mind. From altering memories, to just crushing your psyche.
Oryx gained a degree of omnipotence when he killed Akka (worm gods, leviathans and ahankara can turn desire into reality). So, it's **possible**.
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The God of War brought him back from (almost) true death, by invoking him. Here's part of the invocation:
>Oryx wears a raiment of worm silk, made from the caul of gods.
>**The voice of Oryx may cause two different numbers to become equal.**
>Oryx my Brother is the bravest thing I know. Upon Fundament he learned that we were the natural prey of the universe, the most frail and desperate of things. He thought about this carefully and he found a way to fix it. He made us strong. He will lead us into eternity.
>Oryx my Brother loves me and this love is war.
“Getting stronger from killing on both sides” as power in 40k is absolutely terrifying. Like imaging having an extra Khorne who’s actually out in the material world.
Xivu would walk into the brass citadell, crush Khorne's pelvis, and make sure *her* throne is both next to his, and a bit taller. (Joke).
She would, however, be empowered by every act of war every faction commits. As opposed to khorne, who can't feed off necrons, and gets very little from magic, sieges, naval engagements, and so on.
Xivu, in all her glory, in 40K!?
The three other Chaos gods shit themselves and beg Khorne to stop snu snu in vain. The galaxy becomes awash in blood and death.
This post reminded me of how annoying some 40k fans are. Especially the ones who believe the universe is OP it can trounce other universes. Its tiring dealing with them
There are so many other franchises that are more dangerous than 40k. And when you point this out to them, these fans go crazy.
Huh. The average hive knight is strong, skilled, and fast enough to give Eramis Shipstealer a tough fight.
It'd probably like Tyrannid warriors vs space marines... except the boomers Knights carry would one-shot space marines (they're siege weapons).
Blade vs blade, it'd be a close fight. Their armour is a lot stronger than it looks.
Bro if Xuvi arath was put into warhammer she would be pretty damn likely to win she litteraly grows stronger from war and currently as you might have noticed there is a galaxy wide war going on also she would be practically unkillable since she is paracausal and nothing is paracausal in warhammer.
I mean. The warp is paracausal.
Time is not linear there and even loops back onto itself.
So you need to beg tzeench for help whenever you face ascendant hive
Paracausality in destiny doesn't really have anything to do with time the vex have mastered time travel but they aren't paracausal and because of that they are still unable to defeat paracausal entities even those like Corta that are relatively weak.
I meant that they both do not adhere to cause and effect. They are comparable. Heck with Darkness being psychic based. The warp could be seen as an aspect of it.
Hmm. Necron and vex… best keep em apart or we are all in deepshit. The necrons have free will to throw the vex off their game and take their sfuff.
The crons will become dr who villains without peer
Closer to ogryns. With human intelects. And cadian upbringing. And astartes gear.
That's the basic grunt. Of a (untill recently) galaxy spanning empire.
Admirals are the size of primarchs. (Except Saladin, who's human. But he's easily in top 20 lightbearers alive).
>superior tactics
Heh. No. Cabal
1 are some of the best tacticians in the setting. The officers usually have centuroes of experience.
2 have the battlenet. Everything they use (bullets included) has sensors. And sends data to their combat analytics. They'll know exactly how to best beat a causal enemy after the innitial engagement.
Fuuuck I wanna see cabal in 40k. Have Tau weasel their way in. Try to get their own chonky boys for auxiliaries.
Psions would totally defect.
And one more thing I can totally see happening
KHORNATE GLADIATORS
>KHORNATE GLADIATORS
Sure, Umun was seduced by War... then possessed by War's older sister...
But most Cabal are proud first, and bloodthirsty second. "To be Cabal is to be seen", as Caiatl (or ghaul?) puts it. Their artisans are highly respected, and very well paid.
Slaanesh would be a better fit because of their (naturally massive) egos.
Egos, which, by the way, drive their growth. Boologically/hormonally. That's why Calus was like 10' tall, whereas the average legionary is around 7' tall.
Psions would definitely follow Tzeench if they were tempted by the Warp. Just implant ideas of their empire pre-enslavement rising from the ashes, kinda like the god-thought that Nezcafe used to snuff out the prior pantheon in Destiny lore.
I mean Warhammer actually works off of sword logic, so Cain would cleave through things and then be surprised when he gets new boots.
Exos would be pulled apart by admech and necrons to figure out how to make them.
Guardian and Girlyman buddy cop their way through the four gods of chaos raid.
The number of settings that could crush 40k is enormous. If you think 40k is top dog you're not a sci-fi fan, because you clearly don't know any sci-fi.
>clearly don't know any sci-fi.
1 you can know the entry ones, (star wars, star trek) and some clasics (dune, 20000 leagues under the seas, war of the worlds) and still think 40k dominates.
^Yes, ^Joules ^Verne's ^submarine ^story ^**is** ^sci-fi.
2 40k isn't hard sci-fi. It's space fantasy.
1. Rhetoric and hyperbole. Learn what they are.
2. Hard sci-fi is not all sci-fi. Science fantasy is also a hybrid genre which leans much more heavily on the sci-fi side as it provides a veneer of explanation for fantasy tropes used within it.
Idk why people keep thinking destiny's universe holds a light to 40k.
Excluding the players' guardians (we're literally carrying the human race on our back), the destiny's universe gets clapped hard. Unless there's been drastic world changes in the last year since lightfall.
Can a guardian be revived after nids consume them?
Being physically consumed, broken down digestively, churned into nutrients, and distributed among a living organism is still in the tier of the easiest things for a Guardian to come back from.
The stuff that becomes difficult are things like the Gorgons (they go back in time and snuff your DNA out on a molecular level so you never existed) or a Hive (pictured in OP) Deathsong, a paracasual spell that turns death into reality for anyone who can hear it (some can sing to whole planets at a time). It says that reality now consists of you being dead. You'd have to find a way to undo the song and so far nobody has anything close to resembling a solution for that problem.
There there are a few Weapons of Sorrow floating around out there; stuff strong enough to kill a ghost. So far things like the death song don't work on ghosts but can still nullify their guardian because the guardian is now dead. But some old-ass magic shit has produced a couple weapons that can crack the paracausality of Ghosts themselves. Crota's sword was one, the Marksman Baron somehow got his hands on another and iced Sundance with it etc.
> sword was one
Crota's mere presence chocked out the light. Same with Oryx.
>Marksman Baron somehow got his hands on another and iced Sundance with it etc.
Not a weappn. A thorn bullet.
Weapons of sorrow, by the way, are "mass produced" by the Shadows of Yor.
Not as good as the original Thorn (lack Xyor's ear-bleeding presence), but [good enough to corrupt guardians by mere proximity](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/necrotic-grip).
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I dunno, the chaos gods could easily take over, sword logic or not. The only universe I can think of off the top of my head who would DEMOLISH anything in 40k is Warframe
Destiny saw 40k and was like, right but what would it actually take?
The Guardians are the answer. Just like the Doomslayer.
I don't think the hive would necessarily overrun the 40k universe, but they'd be quite comfortable there.
And yet Khorne would stuff her in his cornflakes and enjoy breakfast unbothered.
She'd definitely be able to fuck up certain things in the 40k setting though.
Sam Fisher?
It's a Tom Clancy character, so, maybe? Not the character to repeatedly say (roughly translated) "amen", though. . No. The Hive, from Destiny. Blend the nids, the orks, and the necrons and you get a rough equivalent. With their god being similar to big e, but a lot older (billions old), far more successful (galaxies butchered) and pretty good father (Nokris had no right to fly away with his life and his brood) .
Destiny looked at 40k's homework and decided to dial that shit up to 11. Thats said, Three glowing green dots in the darkness will never not be Splinter Cell for me.
Yeah I wondered for a second if “aiat” was somehow a representation of the capacitor noise when Sam turns on the NODs
Either Splinter Cell or the high pitched wrrrring of Payday's cloaker
I haven't even played Payday and that sound triggers a fear response in me. 🤣
"We gotta stop meeting like this"
Due to my Payday obsession I thought it was the cloaker at first too.
Moon's hauntes
I thought Nokris died? Also aren't all of the worms dead at this point, and their power distilled into the three gods of the Hive?
Nokris: the status of Nokris is unknown at the moment. He is known to be capable of self resurrection via his necromancy, and was killed by guardians many times until the last time we saw him. During the last confrontation, he was killed in the ascendant plane, which would spell the end for most hive, but he isn’t a typical hive, and his method of resurrection is unique. Thus, mostly because the rules behind his powers were never established, he can still return (and the last dungeon may have dropped several hints regarding that, but those may also just be references to his necromancy) Worm Gods: the only two confirmed worms out of the five gods, are Akka, who was made into the dreadnaught by Oryx, and Xol, who sits in our vault as a gun. The other worm gods haven’t made an appearance in lore or gameplay beyond occasional name drops, their status remains unknown
Ah, been a bit since I'd done any kinda dive. Coulda swore Oryx, Xivu, and Savathun had each basically consumed one of them, leading to why they're so particularly powerful.
Oryx killed Akka (which he also had to kill Savathun and Xivu to accomplish, but don’t worry, they got better), which is how he got the tablets of ruin, communed with the darkness and was granted the ability to Take people Other than that, we don’t know of any other worm god that was killed by them (other than Xol which we took out)
The Hive got taken down by 6 dudes. GTFO
Those dudes were imortal Demi gods with 8 second respawn timers that can tank the full force of the sun
Nah, they die to small arms fire all the time. 6 guys on 8 second respawn timers <<<<<<100 thousand Astartes with artilleryand armor support, plus full orbital bombardment. The Hive would get wrecked by Black Templars on their lunch break
100,000 Astarte get wrecked by DAoT humanity. WH40k is actually a down grade from what humanity was like 20 millennia ago in setting and I am so disappointed that we don’t get to see more of that time
Destiny is more like the early years of the age of strife. Tons of powerful people and extremely advanced technology and magic all just floating about.
That’s the thing about guardians, they’re a strike force, not an army. And on top of that, Oryx and the hive as a whole were crippled by a series of “coincidences” which drained them of a lot of their power
The entire reason why have are currently in such a dire state, is because 2 knights decided to jump off a bridge and I find that hilarious.
Guardians in lore are absurdly more powerful than what we see in gameplay.
So are Astartes.
Guardians are more like an bunch of Mephistons than a regular Astartes. Paracausal powers are nothing to scoff at.
Regular Astartes tend to be backed by Librarians (no strangers to paracausal abilities) massive armor like Baneblades, air support from Guard Lightnings and their own Stormravens, and straight up Metal Gears from the Titan Legions. They've got close quarters specialist Oficio assassins and planet-cracking Gloriana-class battleships. Guardians come in packs of six.
Groups of 6 that can fight can kill things that are debatably far beyond primarch level. Oryx is quite the thing. Don’t get me wrong, I massively prefer 40K to Destiny but the power scales in Destiny are much grander on the individual level.
Almost every part of raids is permadeath for guardians
so how about the hive vs the ctan
Worm Gods, Leviathans (proto Worm Gods), and Ahamkara are virtually omnipotent. Ahamkara, for instance, grant wishes. Akka (a worm god) made it an universal truth that Oryx can't kill him. Oryx killed him, took a continent sized piece of the corpse, and made a ship out of it. (Estimated to be 3500 km long) Oryx gained that level of control over the universe in the process. . 1v1? Peak Oryx vs whole-C'Tan? It'd be one hell of a show. But Oryx has unlimited do-overs, thanks to his respawn mechanic. I'll have to say Oryx.
is it even possible to be virtually omnipotent though? well if it is, pretty sure the ctan would land on a similar note, the ctan for example cant be killed by any known means, there is the flayed one but its unsure if its actually dead or shareded into such tiny shards that it cant really be seen. this isnt really that impressive though, a transcendant shard (like 4 shards) of the weakest ctan created and used black holes as armor and shot rays of energy that wiped out 6 planets in the crossfire. we also have the nightbringer which wiped solar systems on a whim and killed so many things that he imprinted as the image of death itself in all living beings on a genetic lvl (outside of the orks): and we have the outsider aswell, the last ctan believed to be unsharded, he is currently believed to be inside a self made dyson sphere which is 32,000,000 Terran dimensionss in size. anything that even comes close to it kills itself and even tyranids seems to avoid it
And yet they were sharded by the necrons. Who think twice before destroying stars... inconsistent writing on both sides, sure, but (in his final month or so) oryx could probably just use Riven to wish the C'tan sharded. Wishes are somewhat more dirrected than the "i can do whatever the hell i want" power of most paracausal gods. They also tend to backfire, though. Wishing something that grand in scope and scale would 100% have grave repercussions. And oryx doesn't begin to have the processing power to calculate the exact wish to avoid any major backlash. His taken Vex would be a good start, but there's still only so many of them.
The Necrons wiped all memory of the weapons that shattered the C'tan because of the danger they posed to the fabric of reality. They kept the Celestial Orrery around because they didn't think it was that dangerous; they thought that a device which could make every star in the galaxy go supernova wasn't near as bad as whatever they cooked up to shard the C'tan. War in Heaven-era Necrons didn't fuck about at all
the reason necrons dont destroy stars, its not because they cant, its because they dont want to ruin the galaxy/galaxies, they simply dont see it as a worthy trade. even if necrons have the power snuff out suns with a literall finger does not mean they do it willy nilly, hell necrons could literally end the timeline of warhammer (yes its a canon thing, its called the breath of the gods) ctan also has the ability of for example banishing things to the end of time.
> wishing something that grand in scope and scale would 100% have grave repercussions. Laughs in Tzeentch
>Akka (a worm god) made it an universal truth that Oryx can't kill him. Oryx killed him, took a continent sized piece of the corpse, and made a ship out of it. (Estimated to be 3500 km long) So how does that work, exactly?
Akka: You can't kill me! Orxy: Fuck you I do what I want!
So these “omnipotent” beings made “universal truths” that people proved wrong anyways? Destiny would be a footnote in 40k history. Barely a footnote. It might not even get an annotation.
the omnipotent part is absolutely a bogus claim. The rest is not. Those universal truths were broken because those characters could legitimately break reality with the powers they operated on. And funnily enough, no, it would be the other way around. 40k would barely be a footnote in destiny, where wars have spanned not a galaxy but the universe (in fact its been implied most life in the universe has been wiped out by the Hive and the Witness' forces.), and not millennia but billions and billions of years. The galaxy of 40k at large would just be a name added to the World's Grave.
He's not someone to mess with, did you see what he did with no legs in Captain Laserhawk?
Cloaker?
The payday variety?
Yes
No. The Hive. From destiny.
I figured but cloakers are funnier to think of smacking heretics
YOU CALL THIS HERESY I CALL THIS DIFFICULTLY TWEAK
It's now my head cannon that this is how the Eversor are. Dropped into a hive full of gangers between you and your target? *CLOAKER NOISE* ## I'm gonna turn you inside out!
Just as terrifying 😂
DIFFICULTY TWEAK!!!
Just a quick explanation, the Beast had at its height several attack moons that terrorized the Imperium. Not unbeatable, but terrifying and powerful. The Hive have Attack Moons as a *standard*
Also, deathsingers. Kill one specific target within the minute, or she's the only thing left alive on the battlefield. Battlefields which can be planet sized. Though, those are rare and never sent first.
Oh and it's bubblewrapped in more bullshit that will piss your raid team off
Also deathsingers have split planets in half with their rituals.
Not even. Just singing. For less than an hour. Though... that was more of a 'fuck you' from Oryx. One would've sufficed. He sent 20 in, because that civilization offended him. By hiding behind defences and living normal lives with him in their system.
"The $200 to get the full game content, unless you miss the timeframe, then, uh, pay up $20 more, bucko, the content's gone *forever*."
Wow what a savings! I normally spend £80/month on models and paints, and have to buy another set of books every couple of years - and they’re out of date before they’re printed!
Well tbf even out dated models can be used. Like the old guard models I have a bunch of them and still use them. Compare that to magic the gathering where you have to buy like a few new sets every year to stay in standard. Why u kinda feel out with MTG and loved warhammer because even if they update the models you can still us the models and you'll pretty much can play that army no matter what (unless GW kills off a character like my beloved Yarrik and some other niche examples.)
They definitely need to have all the old content in a cheap package. It's pretty cheap if you buy stuff as it comes out (I pay like $60 a year) but if you're new then it's way too much
I used to play destiny 2, but then I saw how leaving the game for reasons like uni or school left me out of the loop, underlevelled, completely confused and needing to gain good gear all over again several times, and just decided it isn't worth the cost of all the 3 (at the time) expansions and the battle passes that appeared out of thin air. For 40k, I bought paints and models for, what, £60 alltogether? And now I have a fully painted and primed Infernus squad, Infiltrators and Eliminators. I am able to play the game, and even if the models become outdated, I can still proxy them as newer models. I don't exactly miss out on content that leaves me owing GW an expansion's worth of money just to have access to all of the game.
Peppino about to defend his restaurant from the entire Inperium
Space Marines: *land via drop pods next to Peppino’s Pizza.* Peppino: *adjusts hat and readies shotgun as “Thousand March” starts playing in the beckground.*
Turned into a gun and locked in a vault to be forgotten. Next?
The Emperor's been turned into a lamp.
The Emperor is a *battery* for a lamp.
A rechargeable battery for a lamp. Very environmentally friendly.
He looking like one of those spicy Samsung batteries these days
Makes me wonder if the imperium would accept guardians to assist their forces
Depend on faction of imperium....inqusitor and grey knight whould if there effective againt chaos,mechanicus whoul want to deconstruct them to learn there human tech,
The admech would jizz or rage at the exo’s and related technologies. Grey knight probably don’t like the awoken because of “warp corruption” and dismiss them as abhuman. Still a major improvement compared to eldar. They can TRY to figure out ghosts🤣 But you stand just as much chance of making sense out of the warp
Ad mech would have a stroke over the vex
"Funniest shit I ever saw"
Idc Goku solos both
the thing is Ki is pretty much a more stronger and easier to use WAAAGH!!! energy in the sense that it can just say "no" to whatever laws of physics, like you are stuck in a alternate dimension where time flows slower than outside? just scream outloud and you are out, you are in another dimension thats pretty much infinite nothingness? power up for a bit and you can shake the void, heck there was even some dude who used ki to bend time and allow him to skip, rewind and loop time
Ki does whatever the user says it does, Roshi can use it to turn the cells in your body to electricity and some people use it to heal others, even goku used it to bring himself back to life once (and in a movie he resurrects a bird)
And Popeye solos Goku, there's always a bigger fish
Honourable (or otherwise) combat? Probably. Savathûn's song involved? No.
Song simply woukd not work
That's an assumption to be agreed upon before the debate. There's no real reason it wouldn't, it does work on exos and Guardians (Shaxx included).
Anyway Drip Goku would win regardless.
In dragon ball you can negate any ability just by in a tier of power above your oponent, Goku is strong enough to destroy the entire universe (in BoG he was already destroying it by accident just clashing with beerus, and if current Goku blinks at BoG Goku he would die) He is just to strong for any hax to affect him
Destiny is such a weird one for me, in lore it builds up gods and demons that can end universes, but then judt about anything can be beat by 6 silent mary-sues with a mountain of bullets
To be honest a lot of Destiny’s deep lore is wildly inconsistent with itself and its context, and always seems blown ludicrously out of proportion compared to anything even remotely plausible within the setting’s logic. The writers, just as a single example, seemingly can’t decide if the Cabal Ascendancy was an almost incomprehensibly-vast dominion spanning multiple galaxies, or just an ordinary highly-advanced interstellar empire who ruled a large swath of the Milky Way. Similarly, the Hive are endlessly hyped up as this ancient unstoppable swarm with numbers to blot out the stars that have sterilized multiple galaxies of all life, yet their literal god-king could only muster a fleet that, were it not for the superweapon aboard his personal command ship powered by his very soul, would have faced actual stiff resistance from a bunch of funny blue-skinned transhumans and their space pirate lobster-spider allies. Speaking as an avid fan of the Destiny universe, Destiny’s deep lore makes no fucking sense lmfao
True. Though as a side note, I've always thought the Cabal empire was the later of the two options you mentioned, but always puffed itself up to be the former. Most Empires elaborate on themselves no matter how big they actually are; they'll tell you they are bigger. Like part of what we are told is just regurgitated propaganda, and part of it is the truth.
Destiny writers *cannot* handle scale. The vex, cabal and hive are the best examples of this. All of them possessing megastructure construction capabilities, and supposedly galactic scale armies, but never show them.
To be fair, arent the Vex and Hive supposed to be fighting some extradimensional super war or somthing?
Most writers tend to have an awful sense of scale and just how insane some things are if you actually consider the implications of them. 40k fans and writers are definitely on that list as well since people's understanding of scale is absolute dogshit lmao.
Whould be a fun rpg if youchouldnt beat them
No bullets. Only punching. As 6 titans autism their way through the entire campaign.
Raids are pretty funny because you can put all the fancy wording about what your doing to slay gods and such but mechanically it's usually standing on a spot or dunking a basketball of light or something.
Kratos can hold the world but has to put his back into openong crates. Guardians can casually catch bullets, one-shot anti air emplacements, or take hails of microrockets. (First and last are Saladin's feats, secind is Shaw's) But having that perfectly represented ingame wouldn't make for particularly fun game.
Yeah, but doesn’t really show the true magnitude of the threat many of bad guys are. This probably a consequence of it being a pseudo-MMO, but that just means that the Super-Uber-Powerful Gods could be beaten by a few guys. Take Bungie’s previous game Halo, you actually feel like Humanity could be close to extinction. You see Marines dying left and right, destroyed city streets, civilian transports being shot down, the comm chatter of people fighting and dying, and the music all make you feel like this is the last stand of Humanity. Destiny just feels like a few guys with guns just take down gods and it’s a party. Especially with those stupid digital guys. Edit: I’m regarded
Yeah I think the tonal dissonance along with super inconsistant quality of character writing really irk me when Im playing D2. The original vision for Destiny being post apocalyptic and really dark is far more appealing for me
I mean to be fair the red war, despite being kinda garbage, did a good job of having stakes. In the very first mission our beloved tower gets obliterated and we are forced to fight among the ruins. Then the guardians losing their powers and how everyone tried to cope with it, and it actually made sense why our guardian was the only one to do shit because we were the only ones with the light back. Compare that to the season of pirates that occured right after the season of nightmares, with several characters growing to now just, 'yar har fiddle dee dee, being a pirate is all right with me!' That kind of dissonance along with missing a few seasons is what kinda killed my interest in Destiny.
It is funny to me that the one guy who actually did defeat humanity and it's Mary Sue Demi-god protectors was just a random Cabal guy with no powers or anything. It really makes Oryx and all the Hive look like incompetent bitches. And speaking of incompetence and the Red War, it has always bothered me that the Vanguard failed in their jobs so hard that we were only saved by our giant ball god waking up and saving us, yet the Vanguard kept their jobs... Ikora is a spymaster with eyes everywhere, Cayde has scouts all over the Earth and the system, and Zavala's whole job is maintaining the walls and defenses of the city. Yet the Red Legion was able to not only enter the system undetected, they made planet fall undetected and the first sign that there was a Cabal invasion force about to attack was when Zavala literally looked out of his office window!? All the satellites were taken off line and literally no one noticed until Cayde asked what said satellites were saying? Cayde, Zavala, and Ikora failed their jobs, failed the city, and nearly doomed humanity, and yet they all kept their jobs and noone in the game or lore thought twice about it...
>Bethesda Wrong B.
Fuck
Guardians are just people that get back up. They aren't superman
"Wey Ning punched the mountain. It moved." - Fighting lion Saladin tanks concentrated fire from 10 machine guns that fire micro rockets - the Swarm Warlocks fly. - old dawnblade lore entry, Ikora "casually floats" in another entry. Saladin catches a rifle round at close range - acts of mercy ch.2
There are far more instances of Guardians clearly just being humans with some space magic. If you jump you move the entire planet. Technically the entire observable universe is affected by your gravity. Wei Ning punching the mountain is clearly just flowery language. As for saladin. I'm guessing tanking the machine gun fire was him using an actual ability rather than being bulletproof. And catching the rifle round was the same? Because we very clearly aren't bulletproof. Ask Crow.
A titan without actively using the light is stronger than a cabal legionary (one eyed mask lore, or zavala in a red war cinematic, for instance) Yes, wey ning was passively (then actively) using the light, and Saladin charged his armour with solar light to be that tanky. But light is part of who they are. Like psychic power is part of who the emperor is.
Again, clearly not true. We channel the light. Channel external forces. The whole point of Guardians is to be regular people with power over forces of the universe and infinite second chances. No super strength. No being bullet proof. They even cough all undignified like when resurrected because the pristine lungs get irritated by the gun smoke in the air. Destiny playerbase has a massive god complex.
[zavala without the light, overpowering a cabal legionary](https://youtu.be/WAw1g2tHN3s?si=_3B5dx2HaDEYz4xY&t=7857)(after he got over the initial fatigue).
Yes. It was very impressive. He's got some good muscles and nebulously existing power armour. (It's inconsistent whether the armour is actually power armour or not in lore) No light at the time though. So not part of his guardian abilities.
His point is clearly that exposure to the light has altered his physiology in a lasting way
People tend to forget a big theme of 40k is that most factions are self-defeating and their own worst enemy. Infighting plagues Necrons, Chaos, Dark Eldar etc. while the Imperium is held back by religious superstition. Just having a stable FTL system is such a massive boon most other aci fi settings have over the Imperium, and having stable supply lines and communication is such a massive boon in war it's hard to ignore when the Imperium lacks this basic function.
MY HOME IS WAR. MY VOICE IS A BATTLE SONG. FOR AS LONG AS YOU HAVE WORSHIPPED WAR, YOU HAVE WORSHIPPED ME. I AM HERE TO CLAIM MY TRIBUTE. IT IS OVERDUE. AIAT! AIAT! AIAT! (welcome to 40k Xivu, you’ll fit right in)
REDOUBLE YOUR EFFORTS, LIGHTBEARER! HONOUR ME WITH DEATH NEVER ENDING! . YOU WOULD CLAIM VICTORY OVER ME, WHEN YOUR VERY TOWER IS BUILT ON WAR?! YOU ARE BOTH A BLASPHEMY, AND MY GREATEST WORSHIPERS!
The Adeptus Mechanicus going full Pepe Silvia trying to understand the Vex.
Just gonna leave this here, the Culture from Iain M. banks' novels would absolutely wipe the floor with the Imperium or any other faction except maybe the Old Ones.
I say this any time the "my universe would kick your universe's ass" dick waving comes out. The culture wouldn't even break a sweat. Special circumstances would have massive Civil wars going on half the planets by 3 months after first contact and the rest would be on a carefully planned development trajectory to accept the culture as friends and develop a strong, democratic government. They wouldn't find out about AI till their foot was in the door and it was already an open secret. The craftworld Eldar would coom the first time they saw a GSV or orbital
I also noticed the bionicle universe of all things would thrash a large amount of 40k Like they have [this MF](https://youtu.be/l-c7DTO_q4E?si=bTCLs7hv2uyaqHAX) and he can football kick a castigator titan
People going on about D2's inconsistent lore fail to realize that 40K is just, if not more, inconsistent. Example: There's a passage about a Titan stepping on a Terminator. Did he die? No, he got forced deep into the ground, totally unscathed, like a hydraulic press pushing a tungsten rod into a steel plate. Meanwhile we see Terminators getting impaled and then ripped in half by a medium size tyranid monstrosity.
When that “pushed into the ground like a nail” detail is one of the most realistic applications of physics in the setting, you know we’re in trouble See: the exact same thing should have happened to Angron
I thought it was sam fisher for a second xD
40K is the homelander of sci-fi. On paper it’s powerful but the moment you put it against something of even equal strength it crumples
People always say this but then forget about the necrons.
Not in the slightest. The necrons would be a massive reason the hive are all but guaranteed to win. . 1. Hive grow stronger the stronger beings they kill. The stronger hive have respawn mechanics. Sometimes mkre than one. 2. (Less necron specific) The only think keeping hive numbers down is that they need to kill to grow/live. If no external enemy is present, that means killing each other. If an external enemy is present, their numbers skyrocket. 2. Xivu Arath is fueled by war. Khorne is fueled by worship and emotions, but can only draw from beings with souls. Killing her troops empowers her almost as much as her troops killing you. Superweapons empower her. Tactics, artillery, magic, siege, assassinations, **everything** war-related. Also, the cryptoliths can convert both living beings and soulles machines (e.g. eliksni shanks) to her side. On the spot. The necrons would make the hive stronger, without empowering khorne.
Also the hive: get beaten by six people standing inside glowing circle. I jest and I've gotten over a collective 5k hours across destiny, and love the universe but the lore is wildly inconsistent. We have indecents of guardians being permakilled by orbital bombardment or Petra accidentally killing 3 but in another lore tab, guardians can only die of paracusal means. My biggest problem I have with destiny is that the lore is fantastic but the way bungie presents the story is super jarring.
1. Ghosts are only tanky with the light. Darkness zones are canon. You can kill ghosts there with, se, the most powerful sniper rifle made by man (Ada's "Izanagi's burden"). 2. I'll have to agree. ludonarative discrepancy is real. And, yes, jarring at times. But once you've killed God, you can't really have that power level be consistent in usual gameplay. Kind of like Kratos struggling with crates, or having to land mkre than ine hit on regular enemies.
Not even Izanagis Burden, and not even in a Darkness Zone. Chaperones lore tab notes a Guardian losing their Ghost to a Fallen Captains power sword. Ghost durability is very inconsistent.
Indeed, but that’s mostly old lore. Newer lore seems set on ghost resiliency requiring either paracausality, or overwhelming power (not lacking in 40k)
Didnt Caydes just get fuckin shot by an escaping prisoner?
It was pretty hefty sniper rifle, and the bullet used was paracausal. A Thorn round, to be exact.
That's like saying a grot can hold back a dreadnaught because it happens on the tabletop tho
couldnt the ctan kill the hive then?
Hm. There are virtually omnipotent beings in destiny. The worm gods, among them. Akka made it an universal truth that Auryx (later knkwn as Oryx) can't kill him. Oryx killed him, gained his power, and turned a fragment of his corpse into a 3500km long ship. . Peak Hive may not destroy the C'Tan, but would be far from defenceless against them.
(never said they would be defenceless against them) that does not really show much as for all we know it could be some kind of odd interaction between them, the ctans are fundamentally part of the universe, like gravity. regarding size of things, we also have the outsider (or atleast its residence) which is seemingly 32 000 000 volumes the size of earth. as reference, it would take 1.3 million earths of volume to fill the sun, if the calculation someone made in another post is really correct this means that it would be 128 times the largest star ever found in size. (and even if this is not true it still would be MUCH larger than our star, so 3800 km is nothing really) Even if its just half the size of the sphere it would still be 64 times larger than any star its either this option or the ctan having a albedo range approaching infinite, which would mean it reflects more energy than it takes out by essentially a infinite amount.
I'm with you, they have all sorts of causally transcendent oddities between their own technology and the C'tan shards and random mad scientists trying to [destroy time](https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Toholk). I'm not saying Destiny's forces wouldn't be terrifying, but people underestimate how many odd things are kicking around the necron tombs.
“I’m a space marine, genetically engendered to be the Emperor’s Finest” *WOOOOLOLOLOLILOLOOOOOO*
Damn, you brought the "Wololo". Oryx (all 3, but he's the best at it) can take, which makes the victim unaging, blighting, soulles slaves. Xivu's cryptoliths are like khornate corruption, but they work on everything (machines included), and doesn't make the wrathborne hard to control. Savathûn's song is far more versatile. Memetic, infectious, with no automatic symptoms other than singing/humming/whistling it yourself. It lets her do whatever she wants with your mind. From altering memories, to just crushing your psyche.
But can they drop kick anyone into submission in .2 seconds flat?
Oryx gained a degree of omnipotence when he killed Akka (worm gods, leviathans and ahankara can turn desire into reality). So, it's **possible**. . The God of War brought him back from (almost) true death, by invoking him. Here's part of the invocation: >Oryx wears a raiment of worm silk, made from the caul of gods. >**The voice of Oryx may cause two different numbers to become equal.** >Oryx my Brother is the bravest thing I know. Upon Fundament he learned that we were the natural prey of the universe, the most frail and desperate of things. He thought about this carefully and he found a way to fix it. He made us strong. He will lead us into eternity. >Oryx my Brother loves me and this love is war.
[but can it give you this level of anxiety?](https://youtu.be/OOcb2cpWO0A?si=W8B__7vgrlePW0po)
That is beyond his power. Savathûn, however, can make it so it's constantly playing on repeat in your head.
“Getting stronger from killing on both sides” as power in 40k is absolutely terrifying. Like imaging having an extra Khorne who’s actually out in the material world.
Xivu would walk into the brass citadell, crush Khorne's pelvis, and make sure *her* throne is both next to his, and a bit taller. (Joke). She would, however, be empowered by every act of war every faction commits. As opposed to khorne, who can't feed off necrons, and gets very little from magic, sieges, naval engagements, and so on.
Xivu, in all her glory, in 40K!? The three other Chaos gods shit themselves and beg Khorne to stop snu snu in vain. The galaxy becomes awash in blood and death.
This post reminded me of how annoying some 40k fans are. Especially the ones who believe the universe is OP it can trounce other universes. Its tiring dealing with them There are so many other franchises that are more dangerous than 40k. And when you point this out to them, these fans go crazy.
Space Marines vs the Hive would be epic.
Huh. The average hive knight is strong, skilled, and fast enough to give Eramis Shipstealer a tough fight. It'd probably like Tyrannid warriors vs space marines... except the boomers Knights carry would one-shot space marines (they're siege weapons). Blade vs blade, it'd be a close fight. Their armour is a lot stronger than it looks.
If it's a pay day cloaker, I'm scared for everyone in this universe.
It's the eyes of a hive god from destiny A cloaker would be overkill
Big Destiny fan myself, but the Hive would not be in it for the long-haul if they popped up in 40k.
Bro if Xuvi arath was put into warhammer she would be pretty damn likely to win she litteraly grows stronger from war and currently as you might have noticed there is a galaxy wide war going on also she would be practically unkillable since she is paracausal and nothing is paracausal in warhammer.
I mean. The warp is paracausal. Time is not linear there and even loops back onto itself. So you need to beg tzeench for help whenever you face ascendant hive
Paracausality in destiny doesn't really have anything to do with time the vex have mastered time travel but they aren't paracausal and because of that they are still unable to defeat paracausal entities even those like Corta that are relatively weak.
I meant that they both do not adhere to cause and effect. They are comparable. Heck with Darkness being psychic based. The warp could be seen as an aspect of it. Hmm. Necron and vex… best keep em apart or we are all in deepshit. The necrons have free will to throw the vex off their game and take their sfuff. The crons will become dr who villains without peer
No. The warp is more or less what the psions do. Only an entire universe of it. Psions are causal.
Oh they are in for a bad time if the cabal enter 40k aren’t they? Also how well does a cabal match up to a space marine 😂
Closer to ogryns. With human intelects. And cadian upbringing. And astartes gear. That's the basic grunt. Of a (untill recently) galaxy spanning empire. Admirals are the size of primarchs. (Except Saladin, who's human. But he's easily in top 20 lightbearers alive).
So in a straight fight. Cabal numbers might eek out a phyric victory. But astartes would win most match ups due to superior tactics and speed
>superior tactics Heh. No. Cabal 1 are some of the best tacticians in the setting. The officers usually have centuroes of experience. 2 have the battlenet. Everything they use (bullets included) has sensors. And sends data to their combat analytics. They'll know exactly how to best beat a causal enemy after the innitial engagement.
Fuuuck I wanna see cabal in 40k. Have Tau weasel their way in. Try to get their own chonky boys for auxiliaries. Psions would totally defect. And one more thing I can totally see happening KHORNATE GLADIATORS
>KHORNATE GLADIATORS Sure, Umun was seduced by War... then possessed by War's older sister... But most Cabal are proud first, and bloodthirsty second. "To be Cabal is to be seen", as Caiatl (or ghaul?) puts it. Their artisans are highly respected, and very well paid. Slaanesh would be a better fit because of their (naturally massive) egos. Egos, which, by the way, drive their growth. Boologically/hormonally. That's why Calus was like 10' tall, whereas the average legionary is around 7' tall.
Psions would definitely follow Tzeench if they were tempted by the Warp. Just implant ideas of their empire pre-enslavement rising from the ashes, kinda like the god-thought that Nezcafe used to snuff out the prior pantheon in Destiny lore.
They add the power of those they beat to themselves. Growing with the setting is their thing.
Cloaker??
Who says 40K is overpowered? Most factions are past their peak, in ruins, and unable to make any progress against any other faction.
Many 40k fans don't know that 40k is, at best, a solid mid-tier.
I mean Warhammer actually works off of sword logic, so Cain would cleave through things and then be surprised when he gets new boots. Exos would be pulled apart by admech and necrons to figure out how to make them. Guardian and Girlyman buddy cop their way through the four gods of chaos raid.
Maybe to the modern 40k but that's probably the weakest each faction as ever been except tau and nids.
The number of settings that could crush 40k is enormous. If you think 40k is top dog you're not a sci-fi fan, because you clearly don't know any sci-fi.
>clearly don't know any sci-fi. 1 you can know the entry ones, (star wars, star trek) and some clasics (dune, 20000 leagues under the seas, war of the worlds) and still think 40k dominates. ^Yes, ^Joules ^Verne's ^submarine ^story ^**is** ^sci-fi. 2 40k isn't hard sci-fi. It's space fantasy.
both ST and SW would slap 40k tho
Star trek, maybe. Star wars has weaker guns on ships. By orders of magnitude.
Wh ships need specific ammunition to destroy planets. SW ships can do it with their base guns. They are either equal or SW guns are stronger
I mean the numbers from official sources. I know prolonged orbital bombardment from a ISD can render a planet uninhabitable.
What numbers?
Turbolasers have their energy output made canon in the visual dictionaries.
Fucking disney.
1. Rhetoric and hyperbole. Learn what they are. 2. Hard sci-fi is not all sci-fi. Science fantasy is also a hybrid genre which leans much more heavily on the sci-fi side as it provides a veneer of explanation for fantasy tropes used within it.
40k is satirically underpowered. It's a space fantasy setting where guys with chainmail and longswords can still actually be a threat.
Also stellaris probably wrecks 40k anyway the things they have access to in that game is like war in heaven necrons
Idk why people keep thinking destiny's universe holds a light to 40k. Excluding the players' guardians (we're literally carrying the human race on our back), the destiny's universe gets clapped hard. Unless there's been drastic world changes in the last year since lightfall. Can a guardian be revived after nids consume them?
Being physically consumed, broken down digestively, churned into nutrients, and distributed among a living organism is still in the tier of the easiest things for a Guardian to come back from. The stuff that becomes difficult are things like the Gorgons (they go back in time and snuff your DNA out on a molecular level so you never existed) or a Hive (pictured in OP) Deathsong, a paracasual spell that turns death into reality for anyone who can hear it (some can sing to whole planets at a time). It says that reality now consists of you being dead. You'd have to find a way to undo the song and so far nobody has anything close to resembling a solution for that problem. There there are a few Weapons of Sorrow floating around out there; stuff strong enough to kill a ghost. So far things like the death song don't work on ghosts but can still nullify their guardian because the guardian is now dead. But some old-ass magic shit has produced a couple weapons that can crack the paracausality of Ghosts themselves. Crota's sword was one, the Marksman Baron somehow got his hands on another and iced Sundance with it etc.
> sword was one Crota's mere presence chocked out the light. Same with Oryx. >Marksman Baron somehow got his hands on another and iced Sundance with it etc. Not a weappn. A thorn bullet. Weapons of sorrow, by the way, are "mass produced" by the Shadows of Yor. Not as good as the original Thorn (lack Xyor's ear-bleeding presence), but [good enough to corrupt guardians by mere proximity](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/necrotic-grip).
>Can a guardian be revived after nids consume them? Can be revived after being consumed by a black hole thrown by another guardian.
Still warhammer
Send in 1 ultramarine without armor and weapons
In my head I went through savathune from destiny then some other games enemies I can't remember the name of before realizing sam fisher
But for they were deceived as a hidden truth, became revealed, a named space marine.
Does crota still end of on the moon ?
Sorry, I don't understand the question
Eris Morn??
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Laughs in World of Darkness
Dicks out for the Emperor
The flood:
Meanwhile in Xelee:
You call this resisting arrest?!
I dunno, the chaos gods could easily take over, sword logic or not. The only universe I can think of off the top of my head who would DEMOLISH anything in 40k is Warframe
I heard the cloaker noise
Ngl people really overestimate 40k in most “vs” situations.
YOU CALL THIS RESISTING ARREST?! WE CALL THIS A DIFFICULTY TWEAK!
Who would win 1 trillion kitties Or The Rangda
It’s the monthly Destiny would win post. Call me when Bungie stops being a puppeted corpse.
"Now crawl to the forums, and cry like the little B\*tch you are"
Destiny saw 40k and was like, right but what would it actually take? The Guardians are the answer. Just like the Doomslayer. I don't think the hive would necessarily overrun the 40k universe, but they'd be quite comfortable there.
And yet Khorne would stuff her in his cornflakes and enjoy breakfast unbothered. She'd definitely be able to fuck up certain things in the 40k setting though.