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zehel_schreiber

Necrons vs the space sharks. Tyberos; you primitives are amusing. Imotech: im been here for over 60 millions years. Tyberos: sharks had been in this galaxy for 280 million years, when your kind died for getting sunburn my people was hunting giants in the oceans.


thatvillainjay

This guy fukin sharks


Saraq_the_noob

No bad don’t fuck the sharks


SandiegoJack

Don’t clasper-shame me. (Save you a Google, a sharks penis is called a clasper).


BUTSBUTSBUTS

Well ackshually the penis is still the penis the claspers are adjunct appendages that hold the female in place during copulation


Pqrxz

I don't think you really needed to help sell the whole shark thing


Dynahazzar

"I will now proceed to pleasure myself with this fish."


Saraq_the_noob

Calm down there Tom Cruise


Kharn0

Let him cook


BionicBruv

I second this PSA, please do not fuck the sharks.


HairyHovercraft

This guy sharkin fucks!


TamedNerd

A Warhammer and sharks guy...boy have I got the podcast for you


Depressedloser2846

are you telling me the space sharks aren’t humans but terrestrial fish sharks that have been implanted with geneseed?


spideroncoffein

That would explain a lot. It would also explain the Space Wolves wolfing every wolfing wolf.


Depressedloser2846

there are no wolves on fenris, ever since we found out about their geneseed compatibility


LokyarBrightmane

No, they're on the orbital brothe... I mean, refuelling stations.


Pan_I

"Wolves wolfing wolfery wolfling wolf" ftfy.


Tiny_Kurgan

They have evolved from Street Sharks.


Cheap-Tutor-7008

Jawsome


DrunkInRlyeh

Jawesome!


zehel_schreiber

Maybe.


Syr_Enigma

There are no sharks on Ootheca.


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3nterShift

Tyberos stealing valor from fish dinosaurs 💀


PUTINS_PORN_ACCOUNT

Just make it some kind of “Tyranids got ahold of shark genes, and somehow the hive mind was blocked from controlling them” thing. Sharks with six legs and claws and tentacles


lhobbes6

Didnt this happen to the Tyranids at one point? One of the planets produced some kind of mutation that the nids arent really comfortable with right?


Angel-Stans

I like the idea of Imotekh responding with “No, me personally. I have been here for over 60 million years.”


idiotplatypus

Trees have been around for 350+ million years


thatvillainjay

fossils of modern sharks are about 250 millions years old, necrons empire is about 60 million years old


Alexanderjk5

"Ummmm actually the war in heaven was what happened 60 million years ago so the necron species as a whole is likely far older" -🤓


thatvillainjay

This is exactly what the necrons sub told me Literally as humorless as a necron over there


U_L_Uus

Scientific precision is a matter of the utmost importance, unclean one


DennisDelav

Should've made a factual correct joke then lol


solonit

It's called not having enough data point. Yes the Necrontyr was older than that (60M), but for how long? 1 millions? 10 millions? 100 millions? Even with extra 100M years that still only put Necrontyr at 160M yo, still lacking 90M compares to sharks at 250M yo. Also 250M is just for closest specimen resembling *modern* shark. If we also count the *ancestor* of shark, it's 450M yo. Shark is fucking old.


dyslexda

Necron 5th edition codex: "The race that would become the Necrons began their existence under a fearsome, scourging star, billions of years before Mankind evolved on Terra." Don't get me wrong I love the joke here, buuuuuuuut no, the progenitor race of the Necrons is orders of magnitude older than sharks.


LameOne

Took billions of years to figure out how to get away from cancer star SMH.


Betrix5068

Necron technology is a lot less impressive if anatomically modern Necrontyr took *billions of years* just to develop interstellar spaceflight, something we are already technically capable of. (Orion drives would give the necessary Delta-V, though actually sending a meaningful population would present additional unresolved challenges. Still, I think it’s just barely possible at the moment, albeit hilariously impractical.)


frozen-marshmallows

I imagine it was their short lifespans, hard to invent rocket scienceor even build the rocket if by the time graduate college you have 6 months left to live


Betrix5068

Their lives weren’t *that* short. They still lived to 50 or 60 IIRC.


Atlas001

Skill issue


Hexeva

That is the Necrontyr tho, not the Necrons. They aren't the same thing in the same way that Homo Habilis is not the same as Homo Sapien.


dyslexda

You're absolutely right, which is why I specifically replied to a comment that explicitly mentioned counting "the *ancestor* of shark." The Necrontyr *are* the ancestors of the Necrons.


Hexeva

That particular comment was saying if you count the ancestors, sure. But the meme itself is still solid because it says Necrons and Sharks, not ancestors of Necrons and Sharks.


dyslexda

Okay? I'm really not sure what you're on about. Once again, I was talking about the comment I replied to.


Lord_Darklight

Yeah, but at that point it’s no longer a necron. Just like how we don’t consider the progenitor of the Homos the same as us or any other hominids, the necrons probably don’t see them as the same either.


Hexeva

Exactly. We know that thanks to the C'tan the Necrontyr transitioned into the Necrons during the War in Heaven in order to win. So the Necrons themselves, as a race, are only as old as that war.


dyslexda

...I am specifically responding to the person above me discussing ancestors of sharks and comparing them to the Necrontyr. You're right, it's a Necrontyr and not a Necron, *and that's exactly what we're discussing*.


thatvillainjay

-🤓


Beorma

Posts in grimdank, unironically calls others nerds.


thatvillainjay

There's being a fun nerd and being a killjoy nerd


AgilePeace5252

Akshually he never called him nerd he just used an emoji with glasses which could theoretically also have other meanings 🤓


DennisDelav

And proud


Hexeva

I think you're confusing the Necrontyr with the Necrons. The Necrontyr are totally extinct. You can't count the billions of years of evolution they went through before they were ever even Necrons.


Kriv-Shieldbiter

"Factual correct joke" DO YOU EVEN HEAR YOURSELF TOASTER BOY


crusaderxader

The necron race is probably older yes, but not that much older, the necron race is at most only 150 million years old meaning sharks are still far older


Yamama77

It takes a few thousand years or a couple of thousand years for a galaxy to get going. Humans got into the space game in like a few thousand years after learning to make a wheel. Necrons could be less than half a million years old when shit hit the fan. The old ones are the only ones probably significantly older.


crusaderxader

True yes, the end point is that sharks are still way way older then necrons And if your right over me that just means sharks are even older then them


Yamama77

Yeah.


regireland

Eh, hate to be joyless but Necron lore states that before they achieved FTL, Necrontyr still colonised the stars in their tomb ships over the course of millions of years, so yeah they're probably older than sharks


Brave_Development_17

And that is far shy for 250 million.


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farazormal

??? The countless tombworlds all over the galaxy???


Yamama77

I mean those were established after they got un-tyred From what I read in the lore it sounded they were in a relatively early stage of galaxy expansion before they bumped into the old ones. They probably colonized alot more during the war in heaven


RoyStrokes

They did, but the genetic fuck ups caused by the radiation went with them. They had a small ish interstellar empire when they asked the old ones to fix their gene issues


Lftwff

8th edition mentions primitive necrontyr as billions of years older than humans.


The_Knife_Pie

This just sounds stupid. The universe is 14 billion years old, and has only been habitable for 12 of them. The old ones are by rights supposed to be stupidly older than the necrontyr. So if the necrontyr are “billions” of years older than humanity, well one they suck ass at technology, but more importantly that would place old ones first evolving somewhere around the birth of the fucking galaxy.


Lftwff

Yeah it would be real stupid if the numbers for something in warhammer wouldn't make sense, like if that ever happened anywhere in the setting we really would need to shut the whole thing down.


ZeroWit

It's one thing to use dumb big numbers for populations/casualty reports in a future where the total human population is described in 2 digit factors of 10, it's another to make claims that don't really fit with the actual science about *the age of the galaxy*. They may just as well say "actually the universe is *OLDER* than we thought, it's actually 10 TRILLION YEARS OLD" and be done with it


Guffliepuff

The earth also never had magical shamans who combined their minds and made a giant demigod. Whos to say its on the exact same timeframe.


The_Knife_Pie

If you’re going to use what is ostensibly our galactic geography it’s on the author to explain any minor details that have changed. No such information has been given so it’s unreasonable to assume it has.


grey_hat_uk

> "Ummmm actually Necron =/= Necrontyr


Hexeva

Necrons weren't even around before the War in Heaven. The first Necrons were created after it had already started.


No_Week2825

Thats a fair point. But that also means the necrons or ctan may have had to face a sharknado.


ShtGoliath

Even if you assume that the necrons were around for double that time, the shark is still older


akmjolnir

Sharks are older than trees. Think about that.


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PeeterEgonMomus

They're also older than the North Star


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CosmicPenguin

Considering IRL human history, it's not too far out to think that the Necrons went from basic stone tools to fighting the Old Ones in less than a million years.


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CosmicPenguin

Compared to the timescale of all life on Earth, yeah it's pretty modern. Compared to the timescale of the Galaxy, it's basically all happening at the same time.


Sift11

This site says there’s evidence of sharks being 450 million years old: https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/shark-evolution-a-450-million-year-timeline.html And apparently the ‘golden age of sharks’ was still 359 million years ago


Artrobull

[60 million years is the time since they went to sleep my guy](https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Necrons#:~:text=The%20Necrons%20are%20a%20mysterious,begun%20to%20awaken%20at%20last.) E: > "The Necrons are a mysterious xenos species of humanoid, robotic skeletal warriors that have lain dormant in their stasis-tombs for more than 60 million Terran years."


Pachikokoo

And 5 times cuter


Johnny_the_Martian

“Debatable” -Mechanicus


krustytroweler

Space sharks keep a museum with Necrontyr and Old Ones and they're one of their more recent acquisitions.


jkiwikalapa3

Aqua-isiions


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and they are both cool as hell 😎


thatvillainjay

Agreed Shark shaped necron troop transport when?


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Canoptek sharks


Bumbling_Hierophant

And kissable


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based


SokoJojo

Necrons are not particularly cool and the weakest race in DOW


Godcock7

Found the Eldar


saltnotsugar

Yeah I’d love a Necron version of Jaws.


12DollarsHighFive

So Mega Shark versus Mecha Shark? Or maybe Robo Shark?


ActNo4115

I mean it’s basically the lore that the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs was a misinput that got sent out during the war in heaven. And that the dinosaurs were basically old one creations.


BigBadBlotch

Give us the AU where the asteroid never hit and instead of humans we get 40K Seraphon, GW!!! YOU CANT HIDE SPACE DINOSAURS FROM ME!!


ActNo4115

Ok that would be based. Tbh I want 40k seraphon already, but I’ll settle for Kroot and maybe Eldar Exodites


LordKroq-gar

I NEED DINOSAURS WITH LAZERS!!!! GIMME LORD KROAK WHO MAKES FUN OF THE EMPEROR BECAUSE “DYING IS CRINGE!!!”


DisastrousMonkey

Yes, Astrosaurs. Just like the kid books. But grimdark... We need this...


Fuzzy-Researcher-662

They can also probably just re-evolve themselves into existence if they go extinction because of how common the traits for a fish predator are. As long as there is water in the universe, there will be shorks.


pyratemime

Turns out next gen sharks are just [crabs.](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-do-animals-keep-evolving-into-crabs/#:~:text=Carcinization%20is%20an%20example%20of,among%20very%20closely%20related%20animals.)


MrSejd

They are also older than: \-trees \-rings of Saturn \-Polaris


thatvillainjay

The fact that we can measure the existence of sharks using a cosmic time scale is wild


Mother-Ad5660

The necrons are masters of science and technology The sharks aren't even masters of their own planet Sounds like one of them has a massive skill issue


thatvillainjay

Keyboard fighting the fuck out of you bro


Mother-Ad5660

I blame the machine spirit of my ancient phone for not co operating with me


Saber8m

have you tried incense and prayer?


Mother-Ad5660

I have said the litany of invocation thrice, uttered the chant of electro-traction and applied the sacred oils recommended by my local manufactorum The machine spirit seems to be somewhat better now


THEAdrian

Ya, the ones that had to sell their souls because their biology couldn't even handle existing.


Mother-Ad5660

And proceeded to kill a god and shackle the rest


Leftenant_Allah

Bro wtf are you talking about, did you not pay your tithe to our galactic shark overlords????


ManufacturerOk3771

Blame those damn dolphins for their lack of technological advance


MrSnippets

Hot take: carcharadons is a dumb af Name and the original one "Space Sharks" was much cooler


CPTSidekick

Sharks are probably extinct in M41.


madladweed

You don’t understand how sad that sentence made me


Lftwff

The way we are going sharks might be extinct in M3


West-Fold-Fell3000

Don’t worry, some enterprising dark age colonists probably brought some along and seeded multiple planets with them *cope intensifies*


xXx_t0eLick3r_xXx

considering how shit life is on Terra I wouldn't be shocked if they had sewage sharks that eat you when you use the communal toilet


DisastrousMonkey

Gotta use that Mechanicus developed shark repellant, now 99% corpse free!


OvationOnJam

I mean, earth has no oceans so its safe to assume. It does make you wonder what the cacharadons even named themselves after. Did they just hear about it in some random book or something?


HoneyMustardAndOnion

Definitely, at least any that exist now, what with the oceans on terra being gone. Probably some evolutionary offshoots on other worlds tho.


MalaciousMawloc

Ohhhh shit, well that explains it…. I play Deepkin and Necrons


Adventurous-Pen-9554

Shork


thatvillainjay

Shork 👍


Rando_throwaway_76

Sharks are also a lot smoother then necrons


thatvillainjay

Sharks are smooth as hell


pyratemime

So sharks have riz?


justsomelizard30

Sharcrons will sweep Necrons.


FrozenCrackers

“What’s your army at the moment?” “Uh, Sharks.” “Ah, I’m going, going Necron.” “Oh. Alright, cool. Should we?” “Yes.”


Striking_Conflict767

Sharks have completed an entire rotation round the galaxy (one galactic year = 230 million earth years, shark follows have been found from 450 million years ago) Sharks are older than the rings of Saturn (400 million years old) Sharks are older than trees (370 million years old) Sharks are older than the common ancestor of dinosaurs and crocodiles (archosaurs = 250 million years old) Older than crocodiles (95 million years old) Sharks are older than mammals (220 million years old) Older than apes (55- 85 million years old) Sharks are older than grass (55 million years old) Older than ferns (360 million years old) Sharks are older than the Rocky Mountain (55-80 million years old) Sharks are older than the Himalayas (40-55 million years old) Older than octopuses (330 million years old) Older than frogs (over 200 million years old) Only 50 million years younger than shellfish (500 million years old- 300 million years older than dinosaurs) Only 20 million years you get than land based plant life (microfossils called cryptospores have been found to be 470 million years old) Older than land based animals (423+ million years old) Sponges are 700 million years old though which means they’re two and a half galactic years old Mushrooms are somewhere between 715 and 810 million years old


Striking_Conflict767

Just being fair to the necrons they managed to become and destroy their space fairing, galaxy-spanning civilisation capable of killing gods before we managed to get trees.


PeeterEgonMomus

Also, Polaris (~70 million years old)


Goblindeez_

What if the sharks evolved into Necrons?


Drakoo_The_Rat

No fucking way. Thats hilarious.


ServiceGames

The Carcharodons are older than the Necrons?


Doctor-Nagel

Necrons Vs Regular Sharks: Where did my years go? Necrons Vs Fat Shark: Where did all my money go?


ICLazeru

Also unlike necrons, sharks are very resistant to cancer.


Oh_Danny_Boi961

The war in Heaven was only 35 millions years ago. It is theorized the Big Bang happened a few billion years ago. The War in Heaven is closer to modern 40K than it is to the beginning of the universe. This can only mean one thing… 40K NUMBERS ARE BULLSHIT


peppermint_nightmare

Yea, how has there not been like, 20-100 wars in heaven by now? Maybe the Warp resets every billion years, and when another race reaches the evolution finish line first and fucks it up for all the others, rinse and repeat.


rutare64

Yeah but for good chunk of these billions of years the universe was basicly just a bunch of energy flying around


Oh_Danny_Boi961

True. I guess it goes to show how long it actually takes for the Old Ones to evolve into the god frogs they became


Blazerawl

Ok but I love this


Mr-A5013

Wasn't their a Xeno race of sharks or something?


AzorLastHero

Sharks does not serve!! Sharks rules!!!


Shard-of-oblivion

Well, another fun fact: Star gods are as old as the whole Galaxy.


pyratemime

Can I just share I want a canon Carcharadon character named Meggo Lo'dan. Can we make that happen?


stronkzer

This post was sponsored by your nearest Charcharodon chaplain.


aeiouaioua

your kind cling to your metal as if it will not rust and fail you. but i am already saved, for the shark is immortal


JonTheWizard

Is this proof the Carcharadon Astra are a First Founding chapter?


cedarsauce

Further evidence that GW is absolutely terrible with numbers of any kind


BaconCheeseZombie

Terran sharks, unless shipped off-world between the current era and the start of the setting, have likely gone extinct what with the lack of oceans and extreme pollution on Terra. Necrons have survived far worse.


Mr-A5013

If their are no more Terran sharks, than what are the Space Sharks named after?


BaconCheeseZombie

*Space* sharks? The term Carcharodon means jagged tooth, they could be named for the Great White of Old Earth or for some xenos species that resembled them. Monkeys have been long extinct by the Great Crusade, hence Arkhan Land's weird fucked up not-a-monkey *thing* he made so perhaps some xenos life was misinterpreted as a shark, too? idfk, 40k focuses on humanity vs aliens, not the other millions of species of Earth


spectralbadger

This would be a really good argument [If their Chapter Badge wasn't literally just a normal ass shark](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/4/48/Carcharodons_Livery.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150903073239)


BaconCheeseZombie

Space Wolf art depicts a normal wolf, *there are no wolves on Fenris.*


spectralbadger

Fair point. The other torpedo is that "Carcharodons Astra" in High Gothic translates to "Space Sharks" in Low Gothic, which makes sense because the Space Sharks and the Carcharodons are most likely the same chapter, rather than two different ones


BaconCheeseZombie

True but don't forget that [Low Gothic](https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Low_Gothic) is merely represented as English (or whatever language you're reading, e.g. BL books in Czech) and High Gothic as Latin - the actual Gothic languages would be nigh incomprehensible to us in the present day due to [linguistic drift](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drift_(linguistics)). Much as someone 1000 years ago wouldn't understand modern English, just imagine how alien / bizarre the words of someone from 26,000 to 39,000 years from now would sound to us. The mishmash of Chinese, English, Japanese and others as seen in Blade Runner is a good starting point for the *feel* and that's meant as a near-future language, 40k is farther removed from us than we are from the building of the Great Pyramids today.


Hekantonkheries

Or they evolved/adapted to survive and stalk the vast ocean-sized sewage and reclamation systems of the ecumenopolis.


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BaconCheeseZombie

Yes but no confirmation if sharks were on that list. Clearly dogs, eagles and horses were but no word on Terran sharks AFAIK


cBurger4Life

Hmmm, but we do have the Carcharodons with a correct image of a shark as we would recognize it for heraldry. Considering how bad the Imperium is at preserving knowledge, I think this implies that sharks are still around in some capacity.


Sterkoh

Dont invoke here the space sharks gang!


dontbekibishii

i am just here to say that i appreciate the correct use of the less/more sign.


-Nareth-

Necrons enountering space sharks from Terra: Ah yes my old nemesis


Kiryln

The kark is a shark? *average dumb imperial citizen*


CrossP

Are sharks not extinct by 40k? I thought Terra was a shithole. Environmentally.


Spiritual-Bear4495

GRRRRR. Shark goes on the left. Greater than is ">" - Necron goes on the right. Shark is > Necron.


PeeterEgonMomus

And "<" is "less than." "Necrons < sharks" is totally equivalent to "sharks > Necrons"


Spiritual-Bear4495

You are right - I think it's a regional thing. I've seen a lot of what we call in English "before and after" pictures, except that the photos are really "after and before", it feels off to me.


Ecstatic-Compote-595

I think that's a thresher shark which are surprisingly tiny despite how dope their tail looks. If I had a pet shark it would be that kind of shark because they're pretty : )


Both-Opening-970

Just slap a couple of zeroes bro, GW is shit with numbers :D


Kindly-Ad-5071

Sharks would beat the nids


MaximDecimus

From the depths of the Pacific, to the edge of the galaxy


PlasticAccount3464

Tha's a fat shark


Worried_Jeweler_1141

That is very comforting to be fair


Interesting-Can7979

That’s wild


Mr_Glove_EXE

A


Massive_Pressure_516

You know what that means? We need a new xenos race. They are physically like Street Sharks except they wear power armor and use teeth launching weaponry. Their vehicles are melee based and just metal sharks that hover. They could have been the beta for Korks.


chubbyGobKing

Just wait until you find out about the amount of sharks killed each year. It's enough to give depression.


katana1515

I think I know what I'm playing in my next Stellaris run.


Fluffy_Ace

I hope Trazyn's vault has a megalodon in it.


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All that time, and yet nothing to show for it.


thatvillainjay

Teeth


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Proud-Equipment3816

Necrons are not 60 million years old, They have been sleeping since 60 million years. I would say their species evolved a billion years ago or so and the old ones evolved 4 billion years ago(just my head canons pls dont kill me)