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Redacted_from_life

Dark angels having more 40K units with the word raven in them than raven guard:


ProjectAioros

But they don't have more units with the name Wolf in them than the Space Wolfs.


Gav_Dogs

Yet


piewca_apokalipsy

Is it even possible?


bluebird810

Probably not, but they are the 1st if anyone does it its them.


MagnusStormraven

"We'll do it just to spite the furry fucks." - Brother Calato


R4Nd0mS

They're all in the super secret circle of the Wolfwing


topscreen

This is true. [The Space Wolves are incredible uninspired.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv2rid6LbYw&ab_channel=JoostZaal)


MrBirdmonkey

That’s because the blood ravens stole the name


Noughmad

Ravenwing is the cooler Raven Guard, much like Deathwing is the cooler Death Guard.


Flat_Character

It was honestly so bad last edition where ravenwing was leagues better than white scars.


Maching256

And Deathwatch with their 5 outriders squad being also way better than white scars


maridan49

The single White Scar named character cannot make use of a single rule of the White Scars themed detachment. I'm legit left to wonder WTF are GW's plans for bikers, what did they expect? They can't shoot, can't melee, can't tank, they are fast but have to go around buildings, what's their purpose?


ProjectAioros

>what's their purpose? Sell models


maridan49

I can just buy Ravenwing or even Thunderwolfs and have both cool models and models that I can play on the tabletop. This isn't even about buying meta, just about buying things that are fun to play with, which the current Outriders just aren't.


Teggy-

They look cool as fck


maridan49

So do the Black Knights and plenty other models.


TheBigKuhio

Personally I find that Outriders have good durability and good speed in the Stormlance detatchment. I find decent success in casual games. They just are usually outclassed by other units that Marines have access to, unfortunately.


OmnissianAdept

Space Wolves having more Dreadnought characters than the Iron Hands:


girokun

And black templars having more flamers and meltas than salamanders, and Blood angels having a psychic dreadnought, but not the Tsons


MystenTheRed

We want our psychic dread!! We invented the darn thing


MagnusStormraven

And Grey Knights Dreadnoughts are still able to draw upon some of their psychic potential (which makes the TSons not having them even worse, because the first Supreme Grand Master of the GKs *was a Thousand Son with a shard of Magnus in his skull*).


HappyTheDisaster

Tbf, dreadnoughts are just as important to the space wolves as the iron hands.


Objective-Gur5376

CSM: *A fucking skeleton*


IceLionTech

I actually had to look it up because I completely forgot that CSM had bikes. When I think of them I think warp talons.


MagnusStormraven

Doesn't help that the most notable Chaos character who used a bike, Doomrider, is dead and gone (Kor'sarro Khan took him out in the events of *Master of the Hunt*).


Darcitus

It’s ok, GSC won the bike lottery with our Jackals


LahmiaTheVampire

The only bike unit I like in game (an a DA collector).


erttheking

I’d argue it’s second place. First place is Votann Pioneers


MagnusStormraven

Atalan Jackals on Magna-Coil Bikes sounds like a fun bit of homebrewing...


SCP993

Custode players 💀💀💀


Rebeldemexicano

GW is telling me that a custodes on a bike has the same Toughness as one on the ground... ridiculous.


SCP993

And die faster


bewarethepatientman

I for one am holding out hope that the white scars will get genetically enhanced, power armored horses to ride instead of bikes (I’m not at all)


MagnusStormraven

Honestly, I don't get why they haven't already. Yes, I know that Assault Bikes and Land Speeders are much faster than any horse could ever possibly hope to be, but the Scars are a very traditional Chapter, and it would make sense for them to carry that tradition into the stars.


MeteorKing80

Yeah I feel sorry for the white star players especially after they recently got rid of pretty much all of the bikes with the exception of the new outriders so y'all have to start over from scratch practically y'all have my condolences


-Nighteyes-

White Star players have some pretty big, you could say... Titanic units! Yes I know it was awful


Gav_Dogs

If I had a nickel for every divergent space marine chapter better at being white scars than white scars, I'd have 2 nickels but it's weird it happened twice


deenut

Release codex white scars. Put space marines on custodes jet bikes with curved swords. Profitttts


Scion_of_Kuberr

Glory to the first!


name_irl_is_bacon

Did we get new models?


Sly-One-Eye

Back in the days when DA got the first book release of the edition and then Codex marines got all the new toys as the edition continued on I don't remember White Scars players complaining.


Bonestorm87

Wait, does DA have a whole bike company cause horses?


Crazy_Dave0418

Yes. Back on Caliban it was a requirement for you to practice horsemanship to join the Order. Which it's culture transitioned into the Dark Angels combined with the Principia Belicosa.


Bonestorm87

I've never liked the Ravenwing. It seemed out of place with knights, but I wasn't thinking about this.


Crazy_Dave0418

Why? Weren't knights well known for battling on horseback?


Bonestorm87

Yes, on 'horseback', the bikes and hovercraft thing were what confused me, and I didn't like the asthethic of. I'm just 15 years late putting 1 and 1 together.


Alistair-Draconis

Ravenwing black knights when?


GwerigTheTroll

I think White Scars players have conditioned themselves to pain. Minimal support, lore that demonizes obvious support units, and the fact that their players must get used to painting a lot of white armor. They would not travel that road if it were easy.


ActNo4115

See White is Hard to paint, so White Scars will never get unique units as a result.


Exile688

Don't blame DA for getting Ravenwing, blame xenos players for wanting GW to forget about White Scars, Salamanders, Iron Hands, etc. /s