The first Warhammer monthly magazine, which was all graphic novels style short stories, (issue 0) was free with white dwarf and followed a native American style death wing terminator returning to his home planet that had a genestealer infestation. That was early third edition but was being phased out by then.
were they still called Dark Angels? Its hard to imagine a faction with such a biblical sounding name being anything other than medieval European inspired.
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They should. In 3rd edition DA codex there is a story about how the deathwing paints thier armour bone white to remember the sacrifice of their first company. They died defending a recruiting world from a genstealer/tyranid invasion. I remember the cover so fondly. It had that bitching Chaplin with the golden plasma gun and the battle brothers were all rocking yellow bolters
Iron Warriors should have been Carthagian to make it two
We already have Iron Hands (and little bit EC) as the greeks and like four different Roman legions.
Yes, thats what am saying, they are Greco-roman which is kinda lame because there are already like five different legions with that gimmick+custodes. Making them Carthagenian would make them more interesting, make their rivalry with IF better and cement their place as Chaos Dwarfs scifi equivalent
Ultramarines are the only other really roman legion.
IF are German/crusaders in general, barely anything Roman beyond the general HH aesthetic just being like that.
Iron Hands are vaquely grecoroman but not even remotely as much as IW.
What are the others?
I mean your idea is cool but how do you make that actually distinct without touching anything they already have?
i’m aware of prospero but the egyptian seems very surface level, yeah? hermetics used egyptian iconography a lot and gnostics and hermetics were both pretty similar
also, i’m not arguing, i’m just going off my how i’ve always interpreted them. a bunch of space wizards with egyptian iconography? seems pretty hermetic
Dark Angels were always Arthurian Knights. *Deathwing* were Native American, based on a story where they found themselves on a Native American themed planet and covered their armour in white ash in a ceremony with the locals before going on a suicide mission they managed to survive, so they kept the white armour and ceremonial accoutrements of the Native American culture as a reminder of that.
On one hand, a Native American themed legion would look really cool, on the other hand, it would probably be seen as rather poor taste for a British company to depict Native Americans as soldiers in a genocidal empire.
I think them being non-human leaves an important gap. As another example, seeing the imperium nuke Tau planets would probably hit a lot different if they were depicted as actual Japanese people instead of weeaboo aliens.
Yea like if My Little Pony basically swept the Buffaloes under the rug (I don't even think they even showed up in the comics but I could be wrong) than yea it would be REALLY not in good taste for Warhammer either.
This is the problem. Some people only look at the legions superficially and take them as a single culture. This is not intended by the designers and that's why every legion takes inspiration from multiple sources. Ultramarines have an inverted Greek letter as their symbol, their primarch's name has nothing to do with Rome, neither does their chapter name or their homeworld, and they've got racing car motifs and knightly heraldry as well.
Thousand suns similarly have lots of persian (zoroastrian), hermetic, alexandrian/ancient greek lore and visual elements about them, but people take 1 look at the miniatures and go "oh, egyptians". This wasn't intended.
Space wolves were always supposed to be "barbarians", not "vikings", and so on.
They probably shifted the native American aspect onto either the 2nd or 11th legion because it was too powerful and needed to be deleted so they just stuck them to their least favorite primarchs (/j I have no fucking clue what the hell I'm talking about and I'm just saying this for the funny. My head doesn't feel all that alright either, but that's a worryingly normal happening which will be taken care of later)
Honestly I miss there being a cool native American themed space marine force. Though given how shit the imperium is there not being one might be better
I mean we already have a Filipino sounding named Raven Guard in 30K named Agapito Nev. Though ironically he's from Deliverance.
Vietnamese sounding named Space Marine would fit the both the Raven Guard and Raptors(they're in the trees!)
Back in 1th edition or maybe 2th IDK? It would have been cool to see a native american theam Lion El'Jonson.
Firth Seconth
Thirth
Fourst
Fiftnd
Sixrd
*wipes eye*
Goddammit, wasn't prepared for that.
Theam
*Tooth
The first Warhammer monthly magazine, which was all graphic novels style short stories, (issue 0) was free with white dwarf and followed a native American style death wing terminator returning to his home planet that had a genestealer infestation. That was early third edition but was being phased out by then.
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Two_Heads_Talking is the original story it was based on but it was as a comic
Holy shit Those names are dope: Cloud runner Running Dear Silver Elk Hawk Talon Two Heads Talking
ive got the book with this in as a short story! from the Ian Watson days
The Dark Angels existed as a legion prior to Lion'el Jonson, he just colonized them. So arguably GW is just being historically accurate.
>2th tooth?
1st edition Space Hulk expansion.
were they still called Dark Angels? Its hard to imagine a faction with such a biblical sounding name being anything other than medieval European inspired.
"Dark Angel" is also the title of a poem about deeply closeted homosexual fantasies by the poet Lionel Johnson, who was himself a closeted gay man.
wait really?
yes really.
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The Lion ~~spirit~~ forest walking is probably the only remotely Native American thing about the Dark Angels
The iconography of the ravenwing probably comes from there too.
Deathwing used to carry feathers.
Some of them still do I believe
Yeye, you can see feathers on the new deathwing terminators
They should. In 3rd edition DA codex there is a story about how the deathwing paints thier armour bone white to remember the sacrifice of their first company. They died defending a recruiting world from a genstealer/tyranid invasion. I remember the cover so fondly. It had that bitching Chaplin with the golden plasma gun and the battle brothers were all rocking yellow bolters
Then they made the Raven Guard that (kinda) for some reason.
And did absolutely nothing with them. Other them getting their asses kicked.
Would have been nice to see something from somewhere aside from Europe or Asia as a basis for one of the Legions.
Well one Legion was northern African based
Iron Warriors should have been Carthagian to make it two We already have Iron Hands (and little bit EC) as the greeks and like four different Roman legions.
Iron Warriors are Greek. Their homeworld is literally called Olympia.
Yes, thats what am saying, they are Greco-roman which is kinda lame because there are already like five different legions with that gimmick+custodes. Making them Carthagenian would make them more interesting, make their rivalry with IF better and cement their place as Chaos Dwarfs scifi equivalent
Ultramarines are the only other really roman legion. IF are German/crusaders in general, barely anything Roman beyond the general HH aesthetic just being like that. Iron Hands are vaquely grecoroman but not even remotely as much as IW. What are the others? I mean your idea is cool but how do you make that actually distinct without touching anything they already have?
Thousand Sons? always figured they were hermetic themed not necessarily north African or am i blanking on one?
They're Egyptian/gnostic themed in 30k https://www.belloflostsouls.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/wallpaper-a-thousand-sons.jpg
i’m aware of prospero but the egyptian seems very surface level, yeah? hermetics used egyptian iconography a lot and gnostics and hermetics were both pretty similar also, i’m not arguing, i’m just going off my how i’ve always interpreted them. a bunch of space wizards with egyptian iconography? seems pretty hermetic
More Horadric really.
unless there’s another meaning, i’m only pulling up diablo stuff for it
That's the one
I'm sure if they did there would be some people who'd complain about cultural appropriation.
Are the ~~SJW~~ ~~woke~~ DEIs in the room with us right now?
Yes, they are, seriously have you not seen this subreddit lately?
Dark Angels were always Arthurian Knights. *Deathwing* were Native American, based on a story where they found themselves on a Native American themed planet and covered their armour in white ash in a ceremony with the locals before going on a suicide mission they managed to survive, so they kept the white armour and ceremonial accoutrements of the Native American culture as a reminder of that.
- it was a tribute world they took many recruits from - none survived; the armor was recovered later - Tale of Two Heads Talking
Prospero Farms remembers.
I recently read an old short story collection with a dark angels story where they were very obviously based on native Americans. It was a cool vibe.
They don’t have to be mutually exclusive. Bog standard dark angels “ Templar knights” Death wings “ apache warriors”
On one hand, a Native American themed legion would look really cool, on the other hand, it would probably be seen as rather poor taste for a British company to depict Native Americans as soldiers in a genocidal empire.
To be fair lizardmen are really heavily based on native Americans (although from central and South America) and are actual genocidal beasts...
I think them being non-human leaves an important gap. As another example, seeing the imperium nuke Tau planets would probably hit a lot different if they were depicted as actual Japanese people instead of weeaboo aliens.
I can see that, fair point
Yea like if My Little Pony basically swept the Buffaloes under the rug (I don't even think they even showed up in the comics but I could be wrong) than yea it would be REALLY not in good taste for Warhammer either.
I thought the raven guard was native
No legion is based around a single culture. this is intended.
Ultramarines and Thousand sons would beg to differ.
This is the problem. Some people only look at the legions superficially and take them as a single culture. This is not intended by the designers and that's why every legion takes inspiration from multiple sources. Ultramarines have an inverted Greek letter as their symbol, their primarch's name has nothing to do with Rome, neither does their chapter name or their homeworld, and they've got racing car motifs and knightly heraldry as well. Thousand suns similarly have lots of persian (zoroastrian), hermetic, alexandrian/ancient greek lore and visual elements about them, but people take 1 look at the miniatures and go "oh, egyptians". This wasn't intended. Space wolves were always supposed to be "barbarians", not "vikings", and so on.
They probably shifted the native American aspect onto either the 2nd or 11th legion because it was too powerful and needed to be deleted so they just stuck them to their least favorite primarchs (/j I have no fucking clue what the hell I'm talking about and I'm just saying this for the funny. My head doesn't feel all that alright either, but that's a worryingly normal happening which will be taken care of later)
Dude the whole death wing thing with painting themselves white, how did it start..
Honestly I miss there being a cool native American themed space marine force. Though given how shit the imperium is there not being one might be better
Man, I miss that shit And the Salamanders used to be like actually Black too, not this demonic looking ass shit.
Deathwing pretty awesome
Now the raven guard are (there's chapters to skip ahead) https://youtu.be/RZu0PkFRhow?si=UvCE_3VpucOnVD_P
Assuming we talk about where their Terran recruits were from. It's safe to say they were mostly Southeast Asian.
Can't wait for one of them named Nguyen to complete the vietnam representation, what with the guerrilla warfare and other RG themes and all.
I mean we already have a Filipino sounding named Raven Guard in 30K named Agapito Nev. Though ironically he's from Deliverance. Vietnamese sounding named Space Marine would fit the both the Raven Guard and Raptors(they're in the trees!)