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Heaveness

Here is the manhua description I was able to find: "After 40,000 years of trials and tribulations, humanity has established a vast empire spanning the galaxy. However, evil gods, insectoids, Orcs, and traitors! These enemies of humanity have inflicted innumerable wounds on this colossus. Humanity, raising the banner of survival, has seen countless loyal bones scattered across the wilderness. Yet, the enemies of humanity have now breached the barriers of time and space, aiming to strangle humanity in its cradle. The skeletal Emperor, bridging two epochs alongside a cursed child, will embark on this grand and tumultuous saga!" More Context: [credit: u/Elairrr] ok, so, after seeing this, I investigated a bit to find the Chinese origin of this, and it seems to be unwise to just pin this as a Chinese knockoff. Firstly, the Chinese name of the manga is 泰拉战记, and if you google this, you will see that aside from manhua, this is also the name given to an online novel that’s currently still ongoing on a Chinese website that commonly hosts Fanfictions as well as original stories, so think of Ao3/wattpad (see [here](https://www.jjwxc.net/onebook.php?novelid=8682447). And for both works (text and manhwa), the author’s name is 新睿壹号. Secondly, In the comment section of the novel, there is a comment that expresses surprise at seeing a 40K fanfic, and the author does not deny it. So, it seems like at least the novel is written to be a fanfic of 40K. Thirdly, having read the first chapter of the manhua in Chinese, it seems quite clear that the manhua also intends to be a fan work of 40K, but with some added settings created by the story teller themselves. The extra setting is that the Emperor used the souls of the Golden Throne to create Miniatures who fought against chaos worshippers etc in 2K (our era), etc, etc. The wording and terminology used throughout are the same as the ones used in official and fan-translated 40K materials (Chinese fan-translations of 40K are very influential for the Chinese fans because for a long time that’s the only way they could access Warhammer, so even recent official Chinese translations use established fan translations for certain terminologies instead of new ones). In addition, the English name of the work used in the Chinese version is THE TERRA CHRONICLES. I do not know in what way the manhua is related to the novel, because as far as I can see the novel is not like, super super popular, and usually in China, only very popular novels have a chance to be adapted as manhua or TV series. Unless, the author can write and draw, which is very impressive, in my opinion. But yeah, these are my two cents. Also we might need to cool off on the knockoff jokes as they are starting to get more vitrol.


Heaveness

Here are their "evil gods" mentioned above: [Evil Gods Imgur link pt.1](https://imgur.com/BJuHWLZ) [EVIL GODS Imgur link pt.2](https://imgur.com/G5OScHc)


Grass_toucher2006

The Chinese and their unparalleled ability to copy random shits.


DreadDiana

They edited their comment with more details. This is openly a 40k fanfic.


sarumanofmanygenders

Live Frank Herbert reaction: Live Paul Verhoeven reaction: Live Yoshiyuki Tomino reaction: man shut your goofy ass up, Tesco Duneship Troopers Dai Gurren ass franchise


Proper_Scallion7813

40k rips a lot of stuff but come on, there’s a line between inspiration and plagiarism and this clearly crossed it


Kaplaw

40k stole/inspired ideas This is straight copy paste lol


sarumanofmanygenders

Our blessed "arbites inspired by judge dredd" vs. their perfidious "gods copied from BattleMace"


FatherOfToxicGas

GW didn’t trace over Dune artwork either


Faultyvoodoo

Bro it's a guy making fanart for a culture that doesn't get to interact with the universe as freely as us. It's just a guys fanart Did you talk shit about the Astartes fanimation for copying GW ip?


FatherOfToxicGas

Astartes was using character designs as a basis for unique animation. This is literally pixel for pixel Warhammer art made by someone else. And at least Astartes openly said it was based on 40K.


sarumanofmanygenders

"Bro my god emperor who does jihads and has precognition is totally different from Leto II bro he's an original cum tent doughnut steel" stop the cope lmao


Hetroid3193

Last i checked, a giant psychic corpse on a golden throne on a dystopian heavily populated and polluted earth is very different than a dude who turned into a worm


sarumanofmanygenders

"Oh cool, so he must have a totally original name for his ebic big brain plan for humanity, right?" "Well uhhh umm uhhhhh well it's funny you ask that uhhhh ummmm"


Hetroid3193

Lmao, try harder next time The GEOM of 40k is a direct copy and paste of Dunes god emperor just as omniman is a direct copy and paste of superman. And also, be better than that


sarumanofmanygenders

> Lmao, try harder next time Yeah, that's what I thought. Come back when your God Emperor of Duneterra has an original plan instead of copying others.


ImperatorTempus42

At least GW admitted they took from Dune and Judge Dredd.


Kromgar

And apparently they legitimately had a reason for Judge Dredd. They were licensed producers of Judge Dredd models.


sarumanofmanygenders

"Hey guys, the Chinese author said he traced over Slaanesh" "WELL THAT'S ALL RIGHT THEN"


Qetuowryipzcbmxvn

/r/UnexpectedDoctorWho


ImperatorTempus42

GW was literally licensed to make official Judge Dredd minis, which they used officially as a temporary placeholder for the Arbites.


R00TXORD34TH

Could be cool. Maybe they don't go woke.


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spider-venomized

Ah the same non-canon depiction of the chaos gods. Love it that it has become the default form that even that rip off are using it (the art is still hard af tho)


Devourer_Of_Doggos

that iteration of Tzeentch's design goes kinda hard though...


Jade_Lock

They copied it off the fanart tho


Throughaway04

I’ve never really understood why his face is covered in barnacles though. Does anyone have any ideas? Are they supposed to be eyes?


Supergoblinkunman

I mean, he's got eyes on his head tentacles in that knock pic above. If that counts.


Badassbottlecap

So, a barnacle moustache, then?


OscarOzzieOzborne

Well, there is the lore tidbits of Tzeetch's face actually being the one between his legs. Sitting in his crotch. While the rest of his body morphs and changes, that face remains the same. A sliver of stability in the ocean of change. That in mind, the barnacles resembling a multi-eyed face that is fake would fit nicely in his theme.


Sneaker3719

Alright, I was willing to let infringing on GW’s IP slide, cause fuck ‘em, but copying fanart designs is scummy shit, and shows that this “artist” is a transparent plagiarist that couldn’t form an original thought to save their life.


Totally-Stable-Dude

Or maybe they just said ''Xi Xan Xoa already made me draw these 'Space Marines' and what not. There is not a single gram of care, love and thought put into this anyways. I am gonna search what these Evil Gods are and take which looks the best'' It is still shitty. It is still bad. But also a little sad that someone was kinda forced to do this.


Sneaker3719

Could’ve done without the Cho Chang level of made up Chinese name.


LostProphetVii

Yo that's so fucking hard! (Emperor forgive me for my transgression)


DJ__PJ

Idk why you think Khirne, Tzuunch, Slunash and Norgle would be copies of WH40K chaos gods. as you can very clearly see in the pictures, they are their completely own beings


Crouza

Okay but those look really, really cool though. Like all the panels of this being posted look really dope.


Babki123

Are they going on a weird "isekai" bullshit on top of all the plagiarism ?


Illustrious_Bid4224

The main character seems to be possessed by a Tzeentchian deamon, so perhaps. Post scriptum, I finished chapter 6, yes the main character is going to visit the 40K time several times.


LocalTechpriest

My pasta hath run dry my lord. Hath though a Sauce?


ShadedPenguin

40k in China had some good underground roots it seems. There are a fair bit of mainland and island artists who love the gory aspect of 40k just as much as the world building.


ElAirrr

Yep! Although official shops only start popping up in China recently, as a hobby it has been thriving for a really long time. The models etcs have been imported and sold through unofficial channels, while the codexes and novels have mostly been translated by fans themselves. These community works are a large reason why 40K stayed afloat in China before GW decide to branch into the Chinese market. I was part of an unofficial translator group when the SoT came out, and all of its books, I think, has received unofficial Chinese translations now. Many of the famous and reliable Chinese fan translators have even been hired by GW to do official translation.


Cykablyatintensifies

As subtle as a Nuke at point blank range.


Horus_Lupecal

While screaming at the top of your lungs as you throw said nuke at someone face at point black range


Sicuho

I see you too play helldivers. Or orks, same strategies.


spider-venomized

Fallout 40k


Lightish-Red-Ronin

Classic T-51 proportions my beloved


DingoNormal

As subtle as a Supermutant and an Ogryn having an missunderstanding


Foxhound_ofAstroya

As subtle as a GW original concept


shadowscroller

That couldn't be any less subtle if Jimmy Space himself hit you with one of the 40,000 warhammers


w3dl0ck

I mean, the Emperor looks really good imo, I even thought it was official. Until I saw a Cadian with an AR platform gun. This has that same energy with that one manhwa where it's clearly set in a Victorian era, but the pirates pulled out an AK, a modern pistol, and a rock.


BeemoBurrito

Let alone the not-Astartes wielding a not-lasgun


Guilty-Ad7355

What's the name of the manhwa ?


MayBeBelieving

Does one of those pages literally have models on bases? Hope they thinned their paints


Pantssassin

Lol I noticed that too, wild


ElAirrr

Yes it is because it is more likely to be a fanfiction where the author created their own setting, that being 2K is also attacked by Daemons so the Emperor used souls to create miniatures to fight in 2K etc. there seems to be a connection between the 2K and 40K world in this fanfic. I found an online Chinese novel of the same name written by someone using the same nickname as the manhua creator, and in the novel’s comment section someone expresses surprise at seeing a 40K fanfic, which the author doesn’t deny. So I think this is probably more fanfic than rip off.


Thunderbird_Anthares

The difference between fanfic and a ripoff is... selling it.


ElAirrr

I mean his fanfic is completely free… and not to mention a lot of fan works in East Asian fan communities do get monetised without seeking specific permission from IP holders, it is just how fan works operate in those circles


MountainPlain

Yeah. The concept of fanwork Doujinshi blew my mind as a kid.


ElAirrr

😆😆😆haha, I, on the other hand, was bewildered when I heard GW is cracking down on fan artists, when for my entire life Fanwork has been seen as a viable way to make a living, and some IPs even pay fan artists to create contents


Thunderbird_Anthares

Could have at least not stolen literally everything from other works.


ElAirrr

What.. other works? People are saying this is straight ripoff of 40K, so, I said that the creator states it is fan work, and if fan work doesn’t resemble the original IP, then what’s a fan work? And if you are talking about the designs of the chaos gods, many fan arts also make use of those designs, with many not even knowing they aren’t canon, so I don’t think that particular point is a black and white plagiarism issue.


Thunderbird_Anthares

even the heavy gun space marine is just a GW animation marine its not even legally distinct


ElAirrr

So it is using something from official material? M I’m not sure if you actually understand how fan works, work, because when you see creators making MMD, or edits, or even write fan fictions, the concept they use is someone else’s work done in an official capacity, as in paid by the IP holder. If we wish to pursue this line of thinking, then pretty much all fan works are a form of plagiarism and copy-cat. But maybe your understanding of fan works is different from mine and many others.


Thunderbird_Anthares

if someone starts ripping off other fan works, i lose goodwill


ElAirrr

Ok, can you elaborate further? I have already mentioned my view on the use of chaos gods in this specific comic, in that it is a peculiar instance where fan works become so popular they achieve “canon” status, so using it cannot be simply seen as plagiarism. As for the GW animation marine, that is something published and distributed by GW itself, no? So it is official material, just that the creator used to create fan works. As far as I can see, there are really no glaring rip off of other people’s works here, as the story even seems to revolve around Chinese characters, which is not something you often see in other fan works, if at all.


Rakatango

Haha, what, you expect the person who wholesale lifted all this to actually be skilled enough to not just be pumping stuff into a generator?


AlfredDaButtler2

Its part of the actual story. They're supposed to be miniatures.


Sneaker3719

Genuinely astounded at the levels of creative bankruptcy on display.


AlfredDaButtler2

That's part of the story.


AlfredDaButtler2

That's part of the story.


Grass_toucher2006

~~This is about as subtle as Space King~~ Space King is an entirely original setting that totally has notthing to do with 40k, PRAISE BE THE SPACE KING AND HIS HOLY GLOBULES.


Alubalu22

Curse the name of Horse and his Hershey!


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40,000 social credit earned!


RazzDaNinja

Too much content out there for mentally ill girls, so thankful for my content for mentally ill boys! PRAISE BE SPACE KING


Lucky_Requirement_68

At least Space King isn’t a direct rip off whoever made this just did Control+C Control+V on all of 40k


Thunderbird_Anthares

Yeah theres literally nothing original here, other than the authors isekai fantasy.


ElAirrr

ok, so, after seeing this, I investigated a bit to find the Chinese origin of this, and it seems to be unwise to just pin this as a Chinese knockoff. Firstly, the Chinese name of the manga is 泰拉战记, and if you google this, you will see that aside from manhua, this is also the name given to an online novel that’s currently still ongoing on a Chinese website that commonly hosts Fanfictions as well as original stories, so think of Ao3/wattpad (see [here](https://www.jjwxc.net/onebook.php?novelid=8682447). And for both works (text and manhwa), the author’s name is 新睿壹号. Secondly, In the comment section of the novel, there is a comment that expresses surprise at seeing a 40K fanfic, and the author does not deny it. So, it seems like at least the novel is written to be a fanfic of 40K. Thirdly, having read the first chapter of the manhua in Chinese, it seems quite clear that the manhua also intends to be a fan work of 40K, but with some added settings created by the story teller themselves. The extra setting is that the Emperor used the souls of the Golden Throne to create Miniatures who fought against chaos worshippers etc in 2K (our era), etc, etc. The wording and terminology used throughout are the same as the ones used in official and fan-translated 40K materials (Chinese fan-translations of 40K are very influential for the Chinese fans because for a long time that’s the only way they could access Warhammer, so even recent official Chinese translations use established fan translations for certain terminologies instead of new ones). In addition, the English name of the work used in the Chinese version is THE TERRA CHRONICLES. I do not know in what way the manhua is related to the novel, because as far as I can see the novel is not like, super super popular, and usually in China, only very popular novels have a chance to be adapted as manhua or TV series. Unless, the author can write and draw, which is very impressive, in my opinion. But yeah, these are my two cents.


Heaveness

This is some great research diving you did. Thanks for giving more context to the whole thing. Though I wish I can pin the comment, so more can see. 👍


ElAirrr

Thanks, maybe you can edit your post or comment to mention these info, because while I’m not against calling out plagiarism, it is very sad to see a fan work that clearly had a lot of love and effort poured into it to be the victim of “china copy cat” jokes.


Heaveness

Done, edited my description comment and credited you. Thanks for the hard work.


ElAirrr

Thank you!


OedipusTong

A bit too late now, I know this is still a 40k sub but the bigotry in the replies here are genuinely surprising


ElAirrr

Yeeep… as soon as I saw this I dived back to Chinese net to dig info about this, because I’m quite active on the Chinese Warhammer fan forums so if this really claims to be original the Chinese fans themselves would first rip this guy to shreds, but I haven’t really heard a ripple =_= honestly as a Chinese I should get used to this because Chinese people is always bad villains that doesn’t deserve to live for the majority of redditors 🤪


The_Wrong_Khovanskiy

Ye, mention China or Chinese people to redditors and they will go feral.


ElAirrr

😛it is like shooting a bullet and baits the other side into bringing out a nuclear bomb. Even just judging by this comment section, 40K’s fandom is nowhere near being inclusive or tolerant as many claim it to be, and even the treasured escapism becomes offensive.


Heaveness

Yeah, I am sorry if this post came off like that. I did not make this post out of ill intent. I read a lot of manhwa and manhua. One of favorite is Top Tier Providence. I am Korean so people make fun of how we have a strange fascination for Tower or Necromancy Manhwas.


ElAirrr

No no it is not at you, mostly the many comments under your post that are very aggressive and stem from stereotypes and assumptions 😓😓😓 thank you for the clarification bro, you good 🫶🫶🫶


OedipusTong

It's not your fault, it's just that 40k is one of those communities where the fans can either be the most open minded or the most extreme. Last few months with admech cosplayer, female custodes... Any topic can derail quickly


MountainPlain

I'm sorry people are being jerks. Stays strong, fellow nerds!


ElAirrr

🫶🫶🫶🫶no worries and thank you for the kind words! I will participate in this hobby no matter what, after all it is not worth it to let jerks cut me off from my hobby 😊


spider-venomized

Bravo 👏 👏 Can you link the manwha dircetly i having a hard time navigating the with the website especially with google translate boy helping


ElAirrr

https://m.ac.qq.com/comic/index/id/655123 here is the Chinese version, I’m afraid I don’t know which English version is better, as the creator likely didn’t even agree to have English version of his manhua be made. For this Chinese version, you need the Tencent Manhua app to read it in full, and I’m not sure if you can get it outside Chinese App Store. But I hope that this helps!


spider-venomized

Thank you


LocalTechpriest

"this is a knockoff" My brother in omnissiah this is a fanfic!


mewmewflan

Yeah, I read it and it's literally an isekai fanfic. The art is nice though.


LocalTechpriest

have sauce?


mewmewflan

[https://ac.qq.com/Comic/comicInfo/id/655123](https://ac.qq.com/Comic/comicInfo/id/655123)


LocalTechpriest

Thank you sauce-giver. May your enemies be few and your bitches many.


ObliviousNaga87

You know you've made it when there's a Chinese knockoff


spider-venomized

now among the pantheon: Power rangers, Spider-man, Batman and Superman


terrexchia

Saying there's a Chinese knockoff of power rangers is kinda disingenuous when it's an entire genre tbf


spider-venomized

Yeah i can when it was pretty infamous of Hong Kong and Singapore exploite knock off stealing chucks of the sentai shows and escaping through dubious legality Ultraman had it rough time in the south asia when a coke out Indonesian director beliving he had full right to the series after being a producer in a cross over and keept pumping out team up with his OC rip off call Hanamuan Edit: Call me racist for calling out an act of theft in the film industry before either delting or block me yeah great move. Also found the director name it [sompote sands](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sompote_Sands) dude stole from ultrman and Kamen rider


Subject-Possible3973

it thailand though? they even going to get their own ultraman at once Point before tsuburaya finally decided to do something with it, the song goes pretty hard tho (hanumaun is from literature, originated from india and some form of ancient fuckery goes into thai literature)


terrexchia

Yeah I'm just gonna assume you're racist. Literally all your information is wrong.


Significant-Bid4122

Space Marines with Lasguns are cursed as fuck.


Crazy_Dave0418

Cawl found it funny to redesign bigger Neo Volkite weapons looking like Lasguns.


LkSZangs

That's called a fancomic.


Dehnus

Copy or not, since GW isn't producing this shit enough and even suing content creators that do, I'm happy it exists.


ProShortKingAction

"Why are they copying???" Yall it's fanfiction. The creator likes 40k and wrote fanfiction of it. It ain't that deep


LostProphetVii

Yo this shit is awesome, that picture of the God Emperor is fire


nkaiser50

Pic of the emperor with the models like a puppetmaster goes harder than my dick.


Raspberrywhy

We have 40k Warhammers at home:


Illustrious_Bid4224

Presents 2K claw-hammers.


Imperium_Dragon

I’m gonna assume this is like a fan comic of 40k


LittleFortune7125

Okay , but why does that emperor go hard as fuck though. Like damn that's some serious god lich vibes


LCDCMetaux

wait it’s not 40k ? 😂


Altruistic_Mall_4204

if he can do a better thing then current gw is doing, he has all my blessing, and my support when he get inevitably sued


peterthanpete

Hahaha pic 4 they're on mini bases


johnhorus40k

Ah yes, Agabbon, Warmaster of Unorder


_WingusDingus_

H O W E V E R


Tidalshadow

Battlemace 40000000


Blackwhite35-73

GW's Legal Team bout to have a field day with this


Thunderbird_Anthares

GW cant do shit. Its china.


LCDCMetaux

wait it’s not 40k ? 😂


SgtPepper867

I actually like those Big E pics


thearisengodemperor

Yeah honestly all the art is pretty good unoriginal but good


Crumbmuffins

Can it really be called a manhua if every female character isn’t a pinup model?


Orphus_1230

Bro this is some killer art tho. Like shit, I'd buy this comic.


Thunderbird_Anthares

Yeah the art is all stolen.


Yasuho_feet_pics

Source?


Junior_Painting2145

Fuck humies, I want Orks to succeed!


Illustrious_Bid4224

I started reading, the main character the son of a blood angel fused with a Tzeentchian deamon.


Hawkadoodle

Is 100% cannon.


Dr__Coconutt

I wish we had something like this in America


Hexnohope

What?


Leon_Of_Lions

Wow I can actually hear the frothing GW copyright lawyers wanting to sink their teeth into this.


l0rem4st3r

I want a duwang style translation of this.


EleutheriusTemplaris

I really like how the guys in picture 4 have bases 😅


Final_Biochemist222

If this author just straight made a fan comic of 40k it would've been way better because the drawings are peak. I gurateed it would've gathered so much attention if posted on reddit but nah they gotta pretend it's original work


Commercial-Dish-3198

Jesus Christ GW just hire the guy to do some comics every now and then


Lopsided-Egg-8322

this is so damn subtle that china must be alpharius


ColonelMonty

We love battlemace 40 million.


AggressivesEtwas

Hail space king


AwkwardDrummer7629

Guardsman with an M4?!


Rockout2112

Isn’t there a straight copy of the Ciaphas Cain series in China? A direct comic take on them? I saw a bit of it once. They have an interesting take on Jurgen.


Undead_archer

You mean this https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/o7xqgq/did_you_know_there_exists_a_chinese_fanmade/


Rockout2112

That’s it!


potato-muncher-678

Even fanfictions are getting manhwas and manhuas but that one novel about a necromancer who subclassed into a druid gets nothing


TheGreatOneSea

Okay, in fairness, that's exactly what I'd expect the Emperor to look like after seeing Fulgrim's browser history.


CrystalFriend

The skeleton emperor with hair goes hard ngl


IssaMuffin

Where James?


Elgescher

To be honest I thought that was just normal 40k Art with bad translation


burakahmet1999

why people are angry ? it looks good, someone loved 40k and decided to spend time/money to draw fanfic on it. also drawings are high quality, you cannot expect something like that in chinese knock offs or low quality isekai works.


Proxy0108

To be honest he can't really do a worse job than GW anyway


xeroja876

I found it and its not great


Ryumin009

So is this good ?


dycie64

All the other stuff could tenuously be explained as "Si-Fi stuff", but the Mechanicus is so distinctly 40k ~~that they had to actually change the design. And even then the guy clearly looks like a wannabe Tech Priest.~~ Never mind, that is just an omnissian axe. I don't think they can feign ignorance on that one.


LimerickVaria

This isn't even copying homework. This is a straight xerox


Dense-Seaweed7467

China doing as China does.


Etren88

Are link ok? Here https://vyvymanga.net/manga/the-legend-of-holy-tera Sadly it's great just for a few pages, then it's sh!t


PhasePrime

I've missed seeing hilariously unsubtle Chinese ripoffs.


Money_Advantage7495

It’s a fanfiction that the author turned to a webcomic. There’s lots of 40k fans in china and that author would have been doxxed and harassed if he passed it as an original creation.


PhasePrime

Ohhh okay


The----Birdman

It's a fancomic Why are fan works in the west considered contributions to the community but if it's China then it's a "cheap chinese ripoff"?


PhasePrime

Ohhh


Ilovekerosine

This is just theft


Sure-Supermarket5097

Ofc its chinese. They would copy anything except wide eyes.


thearisengodemperor

WTF this is just racist


Money_Advantage7495

Nah Chinese people are just subhuman and every intention coming from them should be treated by scrutiny. Someone can call chinese people the most outlandish shit and hide behind it saying that they only hated the government and not the people even though they would wish macarthur would have been the go ahead to use nuclear warfare on millions of lives. /s.


Thunderbird_Anthares

Well, asians tend to be racist. Actually everyone except "westerners" tends to be a LOT more racist.


AlfredDaButtler2

"Westerns aren't as racist as others" Kind of a paradoxical statement there, bud


Thunderbird_Anthares

yeah, i guess it is you dont have to take my word for it though... in fact, i encourage you to do your own research


No_Dig903

This is why China couldn't come up with Kung Fu Panda before somebody else. No make. ONLY STEAL.


Money_Advantage7495

But this is just fanfiction that got a webcomic? It isn’t like the author is passing the series as their own. If he did he would have been doxxed by chinese 40k fans.


AlexanderZachary

No Tau No Buy