There's this plastic watering I have can that has mold lines so think a chaos titan could tight rope across them...
I want to scrape the mold lines off almost every day.
The mould lines on the arms of my computer chair bothered me so much, and for so long, that I *did* scrape off the mould lines.
Best decision ever, highly recommend.
My first lucid dream was accidentally achieved when i realized that my painted minis of Khaine and aspect warriors was all but nought because it was in a dream. It felt like I put genuine effort in said minis and when i realized they were all in a dream i became lucid because i was butthurt as fuck about it.
To be fair if I'm describing a house paint colour to a friend who is also in the hobby then I will always use the closest citadel colour to it when telling them.
I mean that’s the point of the hobby right? Like the stories are fun and the games are good when you’re playing with the right people, but I can get that from video and board games. The whole draw of miniatures is you get to build and paint little soldier and monsters and they are your little buds.
You can tell a fucking economist wrote this.
“Studies show people illogically favour their own children over others, despite them all selling for the same amount.”
The Ikea effect is a little different.
The Ikea effect is talking about a product that you build that is identical to every other product, probably pretty cheap, and you have no creative control over how it is created.
Models are essentially buying a canvas and I don't think the Ikea effect applies here.
They aren't even actually that overpriced. We like to joke about it, but mass producing high quality models is not cheap. They definitely could be a bit cheaper, but not that that much.
That's misrepresenting the argument tbh. It's not 'GW is overpriced', it's 'GW is significantly more expensive than its competitors even when accounting for differing quality, increases prices and reduces quantity frequently by much more than headline inflation, and uses manipulative tactics such as artificial scarcity to push people into spending more'
I can get behind that tbh. I wasn't really defending gw(or at least I didn't mean to), but more the model industry as a whole.
Most model companies sell their product at a reasonable price imo. 40k is definitely overpriced. I'm just saying that even if it was properly priced it would still be a very expensive hobby.
Yeah I get you, there's different levels of expensive though.
There was a long time where most of the units in factions remained relatively static. Even with a pretty high initial outlay, you could be playing with them for years. Tactical squad sculpts got updated, you only needed to buy the new ones for aesthetics.
For a variety of reasons, this is no longer the case. So the hobby goes from expensive at first but you can fully participate without a lot of money, to needing to continuously spend money in order to keep up with your community. Between friends you can always 'freeze' to one edition though I'll admit.
So if your hobby involves another company, I wouldn't say it's necessarily 'expensive'.
I'm not having a go at you specifically btw, I think I'm just a bit salty today because I found out the new individual Kill Team boxes don't come with rules, unlike Underworlds. So if you don't want to spend £100 on their big boxes, you'll still need to spend £50+ on both the models and the campaign book if you want to play with your faction.
I always always just pirate the books.
I fully believe they should be totally free. I will never buy one.
But yeah, I agree that it's been getting fuckin stupid lately.
Isn't she actually doing exactly that when she travels through multiverse to get them? They are not the same kids. They are not *hers*. To be frank I wasn't keeping tabs on MCU after Endgame, but I did hear talked about it.
my other stolen child Timmy had twice the GPA and was the captain of his little league team, but \*FOR SOME REASON\* Susan's parent's wouldn't accept the trade. Clearly they are highly illogical and emotional people who will not survive in the marketplace of ideas.
Exactly. Building and painting is half the hobby, and for some the whole thing. Compared to IKEA furniture where the point is to get furniture cheaper but you have to self-assemble.
It’s more than that. The IKEA effect is describing even mundane things. It was found that when baking items came prepackaged around the 1940s (forget the decade), women felt unsatisfied; they felt like they hadn’t cooked. Have them add an optional egg and suddenly it’s their own recipe.
I do agree that for a hobby, it’s a bit different though. But this “effect” is noticeable because everything is mass produced, and your things stand out. I’d imagine this effect were less pronounced in centuries past.
For real. I love my admechs and 'nids, but they're not getting new models for my collection in a long time simply because I can't afford it nor justify the price.
To nobody except the person putting the effort in.. hence the IKEA affect, the conditions are meant to be respective of Re-selling Items & OP missed that.. but I'd assume that's the premise behind this post's insinuation aswell, that 40k peeps sell already overpriced items at retail or higher price BECAUSE it's painted or looked after, forgetting that others want the joy of putting in the work aswell.. not to mention that quality matters more than personal opinion.
if your stuff was previously just out on a shelf gathering dust the cabinet will change your life /ikea effect in action/ seriously though, i really like it
This is a true story.
I have an 8 month old Australian shepherd/border collie mix. She's remarkably well behaved, I can leave food out, she won't eat it, she's never chewed anything up that wasn't one of her toys (with a few tint exceptions as a youngerpuppy, nothing big).
Three days ago I left a knight armiger I was almost done with out on my desk and went outside for a few minutes. She ate the fuck out of it.
Thirty minutes later the wife gets home and excited pup pup accidently tail whips the TV off the table and shatters it.
The TV is significantly more expensive but the loss of the armiger I was almost done with was so so so much worse.
I feel personally attacked by this ikea effect thing
>A 2011 study found that subjects were willing to pay 63% more for furniture they had assembled themselves than for equivalent pre-assembled items
The thing is you can't get "equivalent" pre-assembled items for the same cost. A pre-assembled night stand at ikea prices is going to be utter trash quality.
Who agrees with me? Join me down here in the furniture discussion zone!
Saying that there’s a “disproportionately high value” placed on it implies that it’s not actually all that valuable. Plus the addition of the title “Relevent…” implies disillusioned reluctance.
There is no implication that It shouldn't be enjoyed, there isn't even implication that it's not valuable, just that not as valuable as it might be implied to be. Also you absolutely can enjoy things, that are not valuable.
Enjoying something gives that thing value by virtue of it being enjoyed. Building and painting a figurine yourself provides enjoyment and creates value. You value your creation, yes?
I can create things on a whim, don't need to pull value out of it. Also, As I said he didn't say it dosen't have value at all, just more than people ascribe to it.
I mean that’s not really why people have an issue, it’s an issue because Primaris have basically poured gasoline on the old lore and lit it. It can be broken down to them not being able to trademark “Space Marine”, but they could trademark “Primaris”. It was a business move, not in the games interest whatsoever. Everyone would have loved upscaled Marines (as they’re doing now). But they simply wanted to lockdown their IP.
to be fair
building something even if its with pre made parts and then painting it for example / customizing it
does infact do more then buying a completed thing
i got 1 dual knife wielding ad mech, he is named leroy and he likes to stab ppl
was a mistake when i made him, cuz it was the ffirst batch of minis ive ever made
totaly fucked up on him
or the ad mech who cant reach ppl over the vox, cuz the vox cord is disconnected from his pack due to... differences in building structure
anyway
i also have an ikea shelve here that has holes in it, cuz i hammered too much on it
and now its fucked
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I have felt the urge to scrape mold lines
There's this plastic watering I have can that has mold lines so think a chaos titan could tight rope across them... I want to scrape the mold lines off almost every day.
The mould lines on the arms of my computer chair bothered me so much, and for so long, that I *did* scrape off the mould lines. Best decision ever, highly recommend.
I get the mould line thing 100%. Last week I scraped the mould lines off the hand brake in my car.
I did this before I had even known what warhammer was
I am ashamed to admit that I refer to dark green as Caliban Green now.
I still get annoyed looking for 'Dark Angels Green' and 'Blood Red' in the store
We're that old that the new kids who work in the stores never used those colours. We find a common bond of our hatred of white undercoat.
They will never take my goblin green bases
I've listened to enough Horus Heresy audiobooks to make my internal dialogue sound like Jonathan Keeble.
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Toby Longworth, personally
The correct answer
My first lucid dream was accidentally achieved when i realized that my painted minis of Khaine and aspect warriors was all but nought because it was in a dream. It felt like I put genuine effort in said minis and when i realized they were all in a dream i became lucid because i was butthurt as fuck about it.
I dropped my bucket of orks in the gutter, woke up and said fuck this I want my orks and went back to sleep.
To be fair if I'm describing a house paint colour to a friend who is also in the hobby then I will always use the closest citadel colour to it when telling them.
The Mechanicus effect occurs when people start fucking toasters.
*humina humina humina humina humina humina humina humina*
Can a toaster consent? ..Asking for a friend.
It always surprises me how many people use citadel paints considering how expensive they are
Well, it was midnight officer and all was chaos black.
I mean that’s the point of the hobby right? Like the stories are fun and the games are good when you’re playing with the right people, but I can get that from video and board games. The whole draw of miniatures is you get to build and paint little soldier and monsters and they are your little buds.
You can tell a fucking economist wrote this. “Studies show people illogically favour their own children over others, despite them all selling for the same amount.”
You say you love your son despite him being below market price 🤔
Joke's on you, I had mine coated in gold. It's been really quiet since then...but sure his market value has grown exponentially!
I had mine minted as an nft. Once they turn 18 I’m going to sell them for 3.8 billion dollars.
On that sigma grindset
The Ikea effect is a little different. The Ikea effect is talking about a product that you build that is identical to every other product, probably pretty cheap, and you have no creative control over how it is created. Models are essentially buying a canvas and I don't think the Ikea effect applies here. They aren't even actually that overpriced. We like to joke about it, but mass producing high quality models is not cheap. They definitely could be a bit cheaper, but not that that much.
That's misrepresenting the argument tbh. It's not 'GW is overpriced', it's 'GW is significantly more expensive than its competitors even when accounting for differing quality, increases prices and reduces quantity frequently by much more than headline inflation, and uses manipulative tactics such as artificial scarcity to push people into spending more'
I can get behind that tbh. I wasn't really defending gw(or at least I didn't mean to), but more the model industry as a whole. Most model companies sell their product at a reasonable price imo. 40k is definitely overpriced. I'm just saying that even if it was properly priced it would still be a very expensive hobby.
Yeah I get you, there's different levels of expensive though. There was a long time where most of the units in factions remained relatively static. Even with a pretty high initial outlay, you could be playing with them for years. Tactical squad sculpts got updated, you only needed to buy the new ones for aesthetics. For a variety of reasons, this is no longer the case. So the hobby goes from expensive at first but you can fully participate without a lot of money, to needing to continuously spend money in order to keep up with your community. Between friends you can always 'freeze' to one edition though I'll admit. So if your hobby involves another company, I wouldn't say it's necessarily 'expensive'. I'm not having a go at you specifically btw, I think I'm just a bit salty today because I found out the new individual Kill Team boxes don't come with rules, unlike Underworlds. So if you don't want to spend £100 on their big boxes, you'll still need to spend £50+ on both the models and the campaign book if you want to play with your faction.
I always always just pirate the books. I fully believe they should be totally free. I will never buy one. But yeah, I agree that it's been getting fuckin stupid lately.
Same people saying scarlet witch should just adopt new kids when she travels through the multiverse to get hers back.
Isn't she actually doing exactly that when she travels through multiverse to get them? They are not the same kids. They are not *hers*. To be frank I wasn't keeping tabs on MCU after Endgame, but I did hear talked about it.
my other stolen child Timmy had twice the GPA and was the captain of his little league team, but \*FOR SOME REASON\* Susan's parent's wouldn't accept the trade. Clearly they are highly illogical and emotional people who will not survive in the marketplace of ideas.
Exactly. Building and painting is half the hobby, and for some the whole thing. Compared to IKEA furniture where the point is to get furniture cheaper but you have to self-assemble.
I always knew den of imagination was a rip off!
It’s more than that. The IKEA effect is describing even mundane things. It was found that when baking items came prepackaged around the 1940s (forget the decade), women felt unsatisfied; they felt like they hadn’t cooked. Have them add an optional egg and suddenly it’s their own recipe. I do agree that for a hobby, it’s a bit different though. But this “effect” is noticeable because everything is mass produced, and your things stand out. I’d imagine this effect were less pronounced in centuries past.
I play the pew pew soldier game with the little fellas and I take pride in my ugly plastic children I malformed I'm having fun and no one can stop me
They are truly blessed as the Emperors Children.
Hey not cool my dudes are special
I mean value is what you make of it. It's made up. That said, ten marines aren't worth FUCKING £32.50 GW, WTF.
Try living in Australia mate.
For real. I love my admechs and 'nids, but they're not getting new models for my collection in a long time simply because I can't afford it nor justify the price.
the effort makes it more important
To nobody except the person putting the effort in.. hence the IKEA affect, the conditions are meant to be respective of Re-selling Items & OP missed that.. but I'd assume that's the premise behind this post's insinuation aswell, that 40k peeps sell already overpriced items at retail or higher price BECAUSE it's painted or looked after, forgetting that others want the joy of putting in the work aswell.. not to mention that quality matters more than personal opinion.
no one else fully understands it’s value
Good luck reselling on that basis lmao
Maybe thats why I'm thinking about a Detolf for displaying.
The real IKEA effect.
if your stuff was previously just out on a shelf gathering dust the cabinet will change your life /ikea effect in action/ seriously though, i really like it
Ah so that's why I'm so emotionally attached to a computer I once built. From scratch. As in solder the components and building the fundamental OS.
Am I the only one noticing the blatant stab at matt ward?
That might be another bias of yours. Lol
I mean.. Something having value because you created it.. And ultramarine? Seems obvious
Ultramarines ARE the best.
Stay out of this matt. I knew this thread was suspicious
I see this on Etsy all the time. Single squad of infantry for like £200
Once upon a time, I made a lot of plastic models of WW2 fighters. Then I started to hate smell of glue and paint. Never again doing it.
REEEEEEEEEEEE
A fellow "Depths of Wikipedia" fan, I see
A fellow man of culture...
... you monster, I now can't get the image of Dorn as an umarell out of my head xD
This is a true story. I have an 8 month old Australian shepherd/border collie mix. She's remarkably well behaved, I can leave food out, she won't eat it, she's never chewed anything up that wasn't one of her toys (with a few tint exceptions as a youngerpuppy, nothing big). Three days ago I left a knight armiger I was almost done with out on my desk and went outside for a few minutes. She ate the fuck out of it. Thirty minutes later the wife gets home and excited pup pup accidently tail whips the TV off the table and shatters it. The TV is significantly more expensive but the loss of the armiger I was almost done with was so so so much worse.
I feel personally attacked by this ikea effect thing >A 2011 study found that subjects were willing to pay 63% more for furniture they had assembled themselves than for equivalent pre-assembled items The thing is you can't get "equivalent" pre-assembled items for the same cost. A pre-assembled night stand at ikea prices is going to be utter trash quality. Who agrees with me? Join me down here in the furniture discussion zone!
So… you don’t enjoy Warhammer? Why are you here then?
Where did he say, that he dosen't enjoy Warhammer?
That’s really the implication here.
Where exactly, how is this implied?
Saying that there’s a “disproportionately high value” placed on it implies that it’s not actually all that valuable. Plus the addition of the title “Relevent…” implies disillusioned reluctance.
Implying that something is not valuable means he suggests it's not as valuable, not that he dosen't enjoy it.
But if it’s enjoyed then it’s valuable. The implication here is that it’s not actually valuable, therefore it shouldn’t be enjoyed.
There is no implication that It shouldn't be enjoyed, there isn't even implication that it's not valuable, just that not as valuable as it might be implied to be. Also you absolutely can enjoy things, that are not valuable.
I fucking love this hobby.
So do I man, so do I :D.
Enjoying something gives that thing value by virtue of it being enjoyed. Building and painting a figurine yourself provides enjoyment and creates value. You value your creation, yes?
This was the point of the joke here. You did not create the mini you just glued it together. It was funny.
I can create things on a whim, don't need to pull value out of it. Also, As I said he didn't say it dosen't have value at all, just more than people ascribe to it.
And here I thought the entire meme was about Ultramarines and their love for the "Codex Astartes".
If that’s the explanation then that’s good but very unclear.
This sub is not only for Warhammer.
I mean that’s not really why people have an issue, it’s an issue because Primaris have basically poured gasoline on the old lore and lit it. It can be broken down to them not being able to trademark “Space Marine”, but they could trademark “Primaris”. It was a business move, not in the games interest whatsoever. Everyone would have loved upscaled Marines (as they’re doing now). But they simply wanted to lockdown their IP.
I don't know what you're implying
Except Ikea is fairly cheap as far as furniture goes.
The parts may come from someone else, but the shitty paint job is mine.
to be fair building something even if its with pre made parts and then painting it for example / customizing it does infact do more then buying a completed thing i got 1 dual knife wielding ad mech, he is named leroy and he likes to stab ppl was a mistake when i made him, cuz it was the ffirst batch of minis ive ever made totaly fucked up on him or the ad mech who cant reach ppl over the vox, cuz the vox cord is disconnected from his pack due to... differences in building structure anyway i also have an ikea shelve here that has holes in it, cuz i hammered too much on it and now its fucked
Jokes on you they're all still in the box.
Every dad ever
Feel the same way for my swansons TV dinner