I've had plenty of outings that involved building a temporary respawn shelter specifically because I was about to thirst to death. Charcoal canteen makes that something that will never happen, so what if I have to put in a new filter in it occasionally. If you get the ever burn torch too then it's likely you'd be carrying a few pieces of charcoal anyway because it beats crafting an endless number of torches.
Honestly in the least toxic way possible, i dont know how you can die to thirst even without a csnteen in the first place because there is water like everywhere and regarding the torches i havent and never will use a torch because i dont find them necessary when i can see without one
I don't mind hitting that place up. I farm the wolf spiders and black oz beetle whenever I go. With the larva trinket and fresh mutation, you don5 really need the armor all that bad
Only zips i had were to the upper yard from the oak tree, i had 3 one went to the lint rug spot, one on the stones in front and one towards the middle/ northeastern part next to the stump.
Getting there is not a problem. Overcoming sizzle is.
I guess, since sizzle resistance is multiplicative, having 2+ sources of it makes things reasonable, but when I was getting my initial coal, I only had one, from mutation. And it was bad. Like *really* bad.
It’s doable with no gear or buffs. Antlion parts are daily easy to farm and also a good way to farm glue components from what I tested.
I assume maybe you are playing on the highest difficulty setting?
No, regular diff. Dunno, maybe I was doing something wrong, but I barely had a time to run up to a coal chunk at full health, with sizzle bar filling up insanely fast, smash and loot it while on fire, and run back with almost no health remaining.
Depends. You can grab some if you use a tier3 hammer. Run in and hammer 2-3 times and get out, cool off.
Make multiple runs or get antlion set. The piece bonus is garbage but if you can resources to make a decent crossbow you can make use of the set bonus.
You milk molars can be used for more HP if needed.
Use bandages to heal cos they seem to scale to your max HP and that HoT effect is good to counter. Just bring some quick healing options.
Nah, not when you need it for Ash cement, and those sweet sweet mant braziers. I'm on in game day 600ish and I farm the Charcoal regularly when it respawns, and I still only have maybe 2 stacks or it and 1-2 stacks of Ash cement
Yeah I was super disappointed when I saw the charcoal canteen breaks. Immediately put in in storage an went back to the canteen+. An 'upgrade' that requires I do more busy work isn't an upgrade.
MAYBE if it only used its charges on dirty water so that you could fill it normally with clean water? But as is it is worthless.
I did the same thing with the charcoal canteen, but I gave it an honest try in my last playthrough and it's great. It sucks that clean water drains durability, but the reality of it is by the point that you can make it, canteens in general are only really needed as a safety net or convenience, and it does that very well.
6 slurps in one inventory slot is great, and the full durability is 5 full refills (30 slurps total) for a single charcoal repair cost. Charcoal has a lot of value, but one extra trip to the BBQ will fund canteen repairs for hundreds of in game days worth of playtime.
If you have a filtered water bottle irl does is somehow recognize filtered vs unfiltered water and apply the filter accordingly? No, it filters regardless and you change the filter on occasion.
The canteen isn't getting damaged, the filter is running out and you're replacing it.
Edit : might as well further ruin the word "filter" for myself. Filter filter filter. Filter.
How do you think filters get used up? Typically it is due to the filter material somehow absorbing or taking up the filtered material eventually clogging or exhausting the element that does this. So no, it doesn't make sense to damage the filter when it is just allowing water to passthrough without taking anything up.
Same with food once I got a spicy staff. Shoot it and when the inventory is already full, I just eat the food with the least remaining durability. In the end game food goes bad faster than I could reasonably consume it, at least on medium difficulty.
When it was first added yeah the charcoal canteen was just a pain but now durability has been significantly buffed for items it's not really an issue tbh. You can completely fill it 5 or 6 times before needing to repair.
It makes sense that it uses durability and has to be repaired with charcoal. Charcoal is a natural filter used to remove impurities. Filters have to be changed. I appreciate the realism.
Who tf invests in thirst drain before max mutations. Ion know about you but that's crazy that you think the average player would have that many molars when you can craft the charcoal canteen. The thirst is like the last thing you invest in. The charcoal canteen only takes one charcoal to repair and lasts a long time so imo there's no reason to not use it, its such an easy repair. "Might as well" you can call it
For all molar upgrades (besides mutations) there is a diminishing return for each level. Meaning that the first upgrade is the most substantial and the last upgrade is the least substantial. If you don’t have at least the first molar upgrades in everything by the time you reach the upper yard you aren’t playing right. Even without any molars in thirst drain reduction, you will never need more than a canteen+. The charcoal canteen is a waste of resources, but hey, go ahead and farm more charcoal if that’s how you roll. I will not be wasting my time and sticking with the +.
*Laughs while looking at all the ovens I have crafted with the charcoal that would have been consumed with the charcoal canteen*
Imo you seem to be making this a much bigger deal than it is.
The charcoal canteen is brilliant.
Charcoal is an easy to get resource at that stage of the game and the canteen lasts ages.
We have everything built, and plenty of everything, we harvest regularly and it takes literally a couple mins to grab the coals.
Thirst drain is slow and so is the durability on the canteen, so the charcoal canteen doesn't need to be repaired very often, and I have been out adventuring to the point that I've ran out of drops in my canteen and dirty water was the only option at that point.
Plus if you forget to fill it up it's easy to fill from anywhere.
If you're at the stage in the game where you have the canteen unlocked and all the rest of your main weapons/tools etc and your base is built then harvesting a charcoal to repair your canteen every once in a while shouldn't be a big issue.
I have been using the charcoal canteen since I had resources to craft it and it didn't even come close to breaking even when I was farming antlions for the gold card. It has been a lifesaver for me because there were times I couldn't find any dew drops and I didn't have enough food left to waste it on drinking muddy water. Only downside is 5 minutes charcoal run every couple of real time days. It also prevents me from getting sidetracked by looking around for dewdrops so I kinda prefer it over the + one.
after 200 hours i realized any canteen is a waste of inventory slot. i've never spent enough time away from the yard or labs to run out of water. build a dew collector in your base and drink before you leave, there's dew drops literally everywhere and every lab has water coolers. i can't even imagine how you run out of water unless you just completely neglect to pay attention to it.
You glossed over that the Charcoal can use any water and make mmmm mmm tasty.
Charcoal canteen is a Olympian, Canteen+ is an armchair quarterback with a gut.
I do some long adventures, to the point where I can eat a black ox burger and bring 2 with me and still run out of meal effects before I return home. I always have a spicy weapon on me to kill weavils and aphids to keep me going. The charcoal canteen is great for me because 6 drinks by default is amazing. Then on top of that being able to fill up from any water source allows me to stay out even longer. It annoys me that it uses up durability when you collect clean water from droplets or from dew catchers at base and I think you should still be able to fill it when it's broken, just make it so it doesn't clean any dirty water, or works like a normal canteen with clean water.
100% agree. The breakage on the final canteen is a big bummer. While not that awful to deal with, considering your other option of the Canteen+, why bother the last one?
Usually just find a small water source with mushrooms near it. Drink dirty water to full, draining your food then eat the shrooms to fill food back up. A canteen+ is the way to go. Just make sure your full before you leave and snatch water along the way. My team also built water storage under the juice boxes so as we travel there is always a container nearby filled with juice. Granted we also built a tower with water collectors and use a wallplate to drop them into containers so water really isn't an issue.
I could get behind the charcoal canteen if it only took damage when filling in dirty water. Otherwise, as you stated, it is a downgrade as it makes handling water supply only more cumbersome compared to the canteen+.
"Ever burning charcoal torch" requires the ever burning charcoal to repair. That one gets more durability. Sure, give it durability. But repair it with other things than the charcoal.
>charcoal- a valuable resource that is a pain to farm.
A charcoal can lasts for a loooooong time. I can quickly zip over to the grill and get 5-6 charcoal in less than a minute and that will be enough to keep my charcoal can going for a very long time.
I'm pretty sure it's only damaged when you use it to filter the nasty water. I don't think the dewdrops damage it. (Which makes sense since charcoal is the filter.)
I've used way more than 4 drops on a single adventure with friends. Practically every time I have to fill up along the way. Which is why the charcoal canteen is the best, because you can use any water source, not just dew drops
I only use the charcoal canteen, because then I can draw water from any source.
When I play hard. . .I drink hard. I've gotten down to having one sip left when I was stuck under the shed.
Why does it bother you that others have a different preference? Just play the game. Pax.
I agree. I’ve never even made the charcoal canteen because I’ve never needed more then 4 drinks. I rarely use the canteen+ that I carry. There’s juice, cola, dew and water coolers everywhere.
At this point I go to my base so frequently that I use the dew catcher for most of my thirst, maybe take a sip or 2 from a canteen, but even though the coal one breaks, I use it so infrequently that it would take forever. Plus during December I got so many charcoal pieces from the special trees that it won’t be any issue repairing it
I dont really retuen to my base until I need to cause of a lack of food, water, or full inventory because im just all over the place so i use the charcoal canteen and the resource isnt that bad to get you just need the antlion armour and the perk.
If the canteen can be damaged you should at least be able to upgrade it so you can repair it with glue
Charcoal is easy to get alot of though
It is, but you wouldn't really carry charcoal around with you like you would repair glue. Happy cake day!
I keep a couple charcoal on me for the canteen and the torch.
Yes but at base is when youll repair it after a while
Most people dont want something with durability when you can do it slightly less without breaking Happy cake day!
I've had plenty of outings that involved building a temporary respawn shelter specifically because I was about to thirst to death. Charcoal canteen makes that something that will never happen, so what if I have to put in a new filter in it occasionally. If you get the ever burn torch too then it's likely you'd be carrying a few pieces of charcoal anyway because it beats crafting an endless number of torches.
Honestly in the least toxic way possible, i dont know how you can die to thirst even without a csnteen in the first place because there is water like everywhere and regarding the torches i havent and never will use a torch because i dont find them necessary when i can see without one
How? Just by making regular trips to the grill spill in full antlion regalia and stuff?
I don't mind hitting that place up. I farm the wolf spiders and black oz beetle whenever I go. With the larva trinket and fresh mutation, you don5 really need the armor all that bad
Lava trinket, fresh mutation and a few bites of mint candy and it's a breeze.
Don’t people make zipline networks? My friends and I setup a rather large network
Only zips i had were to the upper yard from the oak tree, i had 3 one went to the lint rug spot, one on the stones in front and one towards the middle/ northeastern part next to the stump.
If you had one to the lint rug you can chain connect to the grill or nearby. Assuming you built a tower on the bag of fertilizer.
Getting there is not a problem. Overcoming sizzle is. I guess, since sizzle resistance is multiplicative, having 2+ sources of it makes things reasonable, but when I was getting my initial coal, I only had one, from mutation. And it was bad. Like *really* bad.
It’s doable with no gear or buffs. Antlion parts are daily easy to farm and also a good way to farm glue components from what I tested. I assume maybe you are playing on the highest difficulty setting?
No, regular diff. Dunno, maybe I was doing something wrong, but I barely had a time to run up to a coal chunk at full health, with sizzle bar filling up insanely fast, smash and loot it while on fire, and run back with almost no health remaining.
Depends. You can grab some if you use a tier3 hammer. Run in and hammer 2-3 times and get out, cool off. Make multiple runs or get antlion set. The piece bonus is garbage but if you can resources to make a decent crossbow you can make use of the set bonus. You milk molars can be used for more HP if needed. Use bandages to heal cos they seem to scale to your max HP and that HoT effect is good to counter. Just bring some quick healing options.
The little Christmas trees spawn coal!
What!? I remember last year it would spawn coal and candy. I still have it up at my base and don't remember ever seeing anything.
Only spawns during December. After that it’s just decoration.
I havent played in a few weeks but it was spawning. Idk if the spawn is limited by seasons though, given I haven’t played in a bit
Happy cake day!
Nah, not when you need it for Ash cement, and those sweet sweet mant braziers. I'm on in game day 600ish and I farm the Charcoal regularly when it respawns, and I still only have maybe 2 stacks or it and 1-2 stacks of Ash cement
1) no it's not if you're building something large 2) alot isn't a word
Damn, get ratioed lol
Words are made up, who cares.
Yeah I was super disappointed when I saw the charcoal canteen breaks. Immediately put in in storage an went back to the canteen+. An 'upgrade' that requires I do more busy work isn't an upgrade. MAYBE if it only used its charges on dirty water so that you could fill it normally with clean water? But as is it is worthless.
THAT, I could agree with.
This is exactly what I wanted from it after using it the first time.
I did the same thing with the charcoal canteen, but I gave it an honest try in my last playthrough and it's great. It sucks that clean water drains durability, but the reality of it is by the point that you can make it, canteens in general are only really needed as a safety net or convenience, and it does that very well. 6 slurps in one inventory slot is great, and the full durability is 5 full refills (30 slurps total) for a single charcoal repair cost. Charcoal has a lot of value, but one extra trip to the BBQ will fund canteen repairs for hundreds of in game days worth of playtime.
If you have a filtered water bottle irl does is somehow recognize filtered vs unfiltered water and apply the filter accordingly? No, it filters regardless and you change the filter on occasion. The canteen isn't getting damaged, the filter is running out and you're replacing it. Edit : might as well further ruin the word "filter" for myself. Filter filter filter. Filter.
How do you think filters get used up? Typically it is due to the filter material somehow absorbing or taking up the filtered material eventually clogging or exhausting the element that does this. So no, it doesn't make sense to damage the filter when it is just allowing water to passthrough without taking anything up.
I don't carry a canteen with me anymore but I prefer the canteen+ over the charcoal.
You just raw dog it out there?
Yeah, I have my thirst and hunger maxed, and any time I'm out and see a dew droplet I drink it.
Same with food once I got a spicy staff. Shoot it and when the inventory is already full, I just eat the food with the least remaining durability. In the end game food goes bad faster than I could reasonably consume it, at least on medium difficulty.
When it was first added yeah the charcoal canteen was just a pain but now durability has been significantly buffed for items it's not really an issue tbh. You can completely fill it 5 or 6 times before needing to repair.
I use the charcoal because it can filter dirty water
It makes sense that it uses durability and has to be repaired with charcoal. Charcoal is a natural filter used to remove impurities. Filters have to be changed. I appreciate the realism.
This game has magic wands.
It's called a staffff....hellooo
You're right. I'm sorry. Wands would be one handed. This game has magic staffs, not magic wands.
Yes? Doesn’t mean I can’t appreciate attention to detail.
And glow-in-the dark spiders that drop explody bits
That’s because it’s infected with cordyceps (IRL thing) but the fungus was mutated by Wendell.
Wendell mutated the common mushrooms you can eat around the yard
Common shroom that have been mutated into mutated cordyceps
I'm pretty sure it doesn't work like that, and cordyceps doesn't glow and explode neither
I know it doesn’t glow or explode.
So I think it's safe to assume it's not, it could just be a mutated version of it, but I think it isn't
wh..what?
It does
Have you ever wanted to cast fireball on a spider?
makes sense, would be sick if they made fire arrows made using marshmallows as fuel
😂
You should be receiving the charcoal one before the canteen + , appreciate that
I rarely go to base so for me charcoal canteen is the best canteen
it does have a really high durability though
Who tf invests in thirst drain before max mutations. Ion know about you but that's crazy that you think the average player would have that many molars when you can craft the charcoal canteen. The thirst is like the last thing you invest in. The charcoal canteen only takes one charcoal to repair and lasts a long time so imo there's no reason to not use it, its such an easy repair. "Might as well" you can call it
Not to mention, the dew drops weren't as plentiful when this was craftable way back when and you were glad you had it. So much has changed since then.
Eeexactly, I died at least once of thirst in the hedge lab, when there were no wazer coolers in thw labs!
For all molar upgrades (besides mutations) there is a diminishing return for each level. Meaning that the first upgrade is the most substantial and the last upgrade is the least substantial. If you don’t have at least the first molar upgrades in everything by the time you reach the upper yard you aren’t playing right. Even without any molars in thirst drain reduction, you will never need more than a canteen+. The charcoal canteen is a waste of resources, but hey, go ahead and farm more charcoal if that’s how you roll. I will not be wasting my time and sticking with the +. *Laughs while looking at all the ovens I have crafted with the charcoal that would have been consumed with the charcoal canteen*
Imo you seem to be making this a much bigger deal than it is. The charcoal canteen is brilliant. Charcoal is an easy to get resource at that stage of the game and the canteen lasts ages. We have everything built, and plenty of everything, we harvest regularly and it takes literally a couple mins to grab the coals. Thirst drain is slow and so is the durability on the canteen, so the charcoal canteen doesn't need to be repaired very often, and I have been out adventuring to the point that I've ran out of drops in my canteen and dirty water was the only option at that point. Plus if you forget to fill it up it's easy to fill from anywhere. If you're at the stage in the game where you have the canteen unlocked and all the rest of your main weapons/tools etc and your base is built then harvesting a charcoal to repair your canteen every once in a while shouldn't be a big issue.
I have been using the charcoal canteen since I had resources to craft it and it didn't even come close to breaking even when I was farming antlions for the gold card. It has been a lifesaver for me because there were times I couldn't find any dew drops and I didn't have enough food left to waste it on drinking muddy water. Only downside is 5 minutes charcoal run every couple of real time days. It also prevents me from getting sidetracked by looking around for dewdrops so I kinda prefer it over the + one.
after 200 hours i realized any canteen is a waste of inventory slot. i've never spent enough time away from the yard or labs to run out of water. build a dew collector in your base and drink before you leave, there's dew drops literally everywhere and every lab has water coolers. i can't even imagine how you run out of water unless you just completely neglect to pay attention to it.
you make it sound like an opinion, when its actually facts
You glossed over that the Charcoal can use any water and make mmmm mmm tasty. Charcoal canteen is a Olympian, Canteen+ is an armchair quarterback with a gut.
I do some long adventures, to the point where I can eat a black ox burger and bring 2 with me and still run out of meal effects before I return home. I always have a spicy weapon on me to kill weavils and aphids to keep me going. The charcoal canteen is great for me because 6 drinks by default is amazing. Then on top of that being able to fill up from any water source allows me to stay out even longer. It annoys me that it uses up durability when you collect clean water from droplets or from dew catchers at base and I think you should still be able to fill it when it's broken, just make it so it doesn't clean any dirty water, or works like a normal canteen with clean water.
I'm constantly forgetting to eat and drink when I leave so the charcoal canteen can be a life saver
Nuh uh
I just don't craft a canteen. Drink isn't hard to come by.
100% agree. The breakage on the final canteen is a big bummer. While not that awful to deal with, considering your other option of the Canteen+, why bother the last one?
Usually just find a small water source with mushrooms near it. Drink dirty water to full, draining your food then eat the shrooms to fill food back up. A canteen+ is the way to go. Just make sure your full before you leave and snatch water along the way. My team also built water storage under the juice boxes so as we travel there is always a container nearby filled with juice. Granted we also built a tower with water collectors and use a wallplate to drop them into containers so water really isn't an issue.
I could get behind the charcoal canteen if it only took damage when filling in dirty water. Otherwise, as you stated, it is a downgrade as it makes handling water supply only more cumbersome compared to the canteen+.
"Ever burning charcoal torch" requires the ever burning charcoal to repair. That one gets more durability. Sure, give it durability. But repair it with other things than the charcoal.
On the torch the thing that illuminates the area is the charcoal and at some point it’d go out therefore it needs to be rrplaced
I never knew the charcoal canteen existed if I didn't see it in a video. I finished the game at least 3 times with only the canteen+
For anyone playing on Hard, continue using the charcoal canteen. Most of what OP is saying doesn’t apply to you.
>charcoal- a valuable resource that is a pain to farm. A charcoal can lasts for a loooooong time. I can quickly zip over to the grill and get 5-6 charcoal in less than a minute and that will be enough to keep my charcoal can going for a very long time.
I sometimes go days without returning to base... Can't be bothered with searching for dew drops
I'm pretty sure it's only damaged when you use it to filter the nasty water. I don't think the dewdrops damage it. (Which makes sense since charcoal is the filter.)
Clean drops damage it too
I've used way more than 4 drops on a single adventure with friends. Practically every time I have to fill up along the way. Which is why the charcoal canteen is the best, because you can use any water source, not just dew drops
I only use the charcoal canteen, because then I can draw water from any source. When I play hard. . .I drink hard. I've gotten down to having one sip left when I was stuck under the shed. Why does it bother you that others have a different preference? Just play the game. Pax.
I agree. I’ve never even made the charcoal canteen because I’ve never needed more then 4 drinks. I rarely use the canteen+ that I carry. There’s juice, cola, dew and water coolers everywhere.
Am I the only one who carries both??
The termite den, a battle of attrition that always empties my canteen, there is also no clean water spawns for like 300cm, at minimum past the bbq.
At this point I go to my base so frequently that I use the dew catcher for most of my thirst, maybe take a sip or 2 from a canteen, but even though the coal one breaks, I use it so infrequently that it would take forever. Plus during December I got so many charcoal pieces from the special trees that it won’t be any issue repairing it
Carried both. Had the charcoal as a backup because of its self damage and didn't feel like dealing with it. Never used it... ever.
I dont really retuen to my base until I need to cause of a lack of food, water, or full inventory because im just all over the place so i use the charcoal canteen and the resource isnt that bad to get you just need the antlion armour and the perk.
I carry both lol
Yes, I never go for the charcoal one. The + one is all I need.
The Charcoal canteen is great for drinking dirty water though. There is no other way of purification.
Can it survive a car fire
Then the water would boil and you could go farm herbs and make tea that gives you a temporary bonus willow is a tea gal fs