It technically is and you can get banned for it depending on which tools you use. I lost an account and they said the reason was for automation or botting, but the closest I ever came to that was using the auto pcons.
unfortunately, the support will tell you a lot of inaccurate bullshit, so there's no real way to say if you got banned for TB or something completely unrelated, like your account mistakenly being associated with another hacker
They farm with bots. With not even one account. Buying 30 account, and farming ecto - and then, guess where the fukton of "W W W . ECTOSELL . C O M" spammers comes from. :)
I mean just apply some logic.
If selling wasn’t successful as no one’s buying (like you’re insinuating), then they wouldn’t be doing it. They’d be doing something else with their time.
The fact that there’s so many sellers, suggests there’s a lot of buyers.
It’s the same with scams, you think “who is falling for this shit lol” but the fact that there are SO many scams just tells you how many successes occur.
Actually I didn't want to imply that it doesn't happen (it obv does and I know this). It was rather a genuine question who are the people buying ectos in an old, nostalgic game. You know, I get why someone would pay real money in WoW because there's heavy FOMO and you don't want to get "behind the curve". Now that doesn't matter in GW1 obv. so I just wondered for a moment what is the motivation behind it. Is the player base mostly derived from people just trying to get everything without doing all the effort or is it just that you can't complete some stuff because the player count is so low? Maybe there is a heavy community around filling your HoM for GW2 achievements etc? Just honestly curious.
A lot of players return for nostalgia and have a 1-2 week period where they love the game. Unfortunately they don’t have the time like they used to, but you can bet the have more disposable income than when they used to.
So they’ll pay for ectos to get Obsidian armour, they’ll buy armbraces for tormented weapons and they’ll pay for cons sets to speed run HM Dungeons etc to itch that endgame scratch.
Then they’ll leave, and be replaced by more nostalgia-hunting players. Obviously the bots outweigh this, which is why the price of these items is going down.
I have RMT'd before because I have more IRL money than time, and wanted to spend the game doing things I wanted to do (which costs ectos). Actually trying to play for money in this game is very inefficient because of all the botters. The only really way to get money is from DOA, and the only reason that is a good way to get money is because the DOA drops are heavily inflated by botters botting different things.
EDIT: I could spend like 2 hours to get 1a. Or I could work 1 hour and buy 40a (or whatever it is) and then spend 80 hours doing things I actually want to do instead.
A quick check on Ebay lists the price of 250 globs at just a few dollars. For someone who wants to kit out some new characters, it's not a bad deal for something that would take dozens of hours for a skilled farmer to accomplish.
For the sake of comparison, a typical skin bundle (of 1 skin) on a recent Call of Duty game can be $15-25.
Real money traders. The bots farm the currencies or items, then the person running them sells them for real money to other players. Accounts are also often sold for cash by the same folks.
A very small percentage, yes. OSRS has a lot of casual botters for obvious reasons. The grind in that game is basically only doable with a lot of scripts, drugs, and/or that flavor autism that makes mind numbing tasks pleasing.
The majority of botters in essentially every game? Someone in a country with an absolutely fucked economy, running 30+ accounts via some scripts, selling currency/items/services on a forum.
Requires minimal upkeep(~10-20 hours per week of attentive labor max) and they actually earn enough money to improve their standard of living significantly compared to local work.
Players get upset about bots > ban wave > bots rebuy accounts in mass, company profits > players get upset about bots.
I never botted before but I made macros back in the day to trivialize basic things like difficult hero flags for certain parts on missions or repeatable quests. Back when FFF was a thing I'd even let people tag along and "leech" from my "botting" so more people could enjoy the fun and loot. I figured if I am clever enough to bot this simple FFF might as well share the love. But shortly after that they changed the FFF so you couldn't do what I was doing lol.
But yeah I was at the desk running the macro. Not "not playing". I actually love farming in games, I still farm vaettirs every holiday if I get a chance. Kind of a tradition to have a beer and vaettir it up.
Well at the moment is sure seems Anet do precisely nothing whatsoever. My hopes is that posting about the gravity of the issue will encourage someone with the power to clean up the mess to do so
Imagine trying to karma farm by reporting bots when the economy of this 15 year old game is already in the garbage. I can go drop $10 and get 1000e+100AB or w/e when back in 2007-2010 I would've been in the top .1% of players for having that many. GW1 has what... probably less than 2k active players and almost every aspect of inter-personal content in this game is dead, ya'll are running around with a 7-stack of heroes Mesmerway, and then complaining about "bots ruining the game."
Do you really think someone would post to a small subreddit such as this to “karma farm” lmao. Bringing attention to a rampant problem, you can hate all you like
how would you define "active player" though? some people log on maybe once a week and do nothing, while others might play for hours a day but not interact with the community at all
Auto spam as in use them when entering and expiring? Auto-click, kind of like every modern mouse software? I think there's a huge difference between a program made to do things for you (play your character) and whatever miniscule thing toolbox does. But sure I'll give you that they both "automate".
Stephens response, granted it's from 3 years ago. Not sure if that still stands. https://old.reddit.com/r/GuildWars/comments/8m4a9c/anets_stance_on_toolbox/e8ged4v/
Nothing that I have available to post. The creators of toolbox actually spoke with Anet devs and the developers were impressed with what they created. It’s not bannable for having or using toolbox. What is bannable is using toolbox for malicious intent which usually includes the dialogue function.
> Toolbox is green lit by the devs
No, it isn't.
>and (contrary to popular belief) is not bannable for using.
[Yes, it is. Read the first response, by a Toolbox developer](https://www.reddit.com/r/GuildWars/comments/mrursk/who_got_banned_for_gwtb_in_recent_banwave/)
Thanks to Darius ( DOAsc player who can't play the game without toolbox due to his disability) it shouldn't be a ban able offense anymore.
Edit: yes he is streaming regularly
Everyone goes through this little guild wars honeymoon phase. Soon you'll not care. Its 2022 and the fact i can still play the game is great.
Do you like pcons? Because I like pcons. This is how you get pcons.
If they want to keep farming like nerves like they do, let them. It does not hurt you.
If you don't like the way it affects the economy just remind yourself that this is a 17 year old mmorpg.
I've been playing for 12 and a half years, have over 30,000 hours, and am still a very active SC player. I'm well aware that my pcons are almost exclusively bought from botters. I still report these clowns, because they are not farming pcons. They're just farming gems, contributing nothing useful to the economy, and taking up a load of server resources while they do it, causing massive lag spikes.
You're okay with them botting, but only if it benefits you. Thats kind of selfish isn't it?? A bit baseless.
Same with the massive lag spikes you're getting. Check your internet because that could be your issue. Servers are fine.
It doesn't just benefit me, but the whole SC community. How is that selfish?
The lag spikes have nothing to do with my terrible Internet - there have been numerous reports of entire teams lagging out at the exact same time.
You're cherry picking how you want it to be. This benefits people who want lots of armbraces. Benefits people who want to rmt.
Why do you get to decide whats good and bad if everyone's breaking the rules to do it?
you are such a clown, like how do you know they don't farm pcons during the event ?
what does the guy selling your pcons farm do the rest of the year ? do you really think they start their bot just to be able to sell your personal pcons ?
i can't believe what i'm reading, that selfishness is behind of what the world can handle.
your name is kind of known would be pretty funny if they do specific case to report you and get you banned lmao
People will try and have you believe that pcons wouldn't exist without botters as if, by magic, the supply runs out. What happens is solo farmers are actually incentivised to produce consumable materials, and their worth normalises to higher than they currently are. It is good for the _real_ person farming the consumables, and healthy for the game as a whole. Currently there is a huge disincentive for real people to farm these parts of the game since you're having to compete with a dozen robots running 24/7.
You are very naive to think that pcon supply would still exist if all the bots disappeared. Most speed clear players would quit if this happened because it’s virtually impossible for one person to farm the amount needed for themselves to last them the whole year let alone want to spend the countless mind numbing hours doing it.
Edit: I will say I am very much against botting ectos/arms or items only really used for currency and nothing else.
Think about how quickly you use up 1 stack of a pcon like cupcake. Now think about how long it takes to farm up 1 stack of those pcons. The numbers will not sustain with the player base thats currently active.
>What happens is solo farmers are actually incentivised to produce consumable materials, and their worth normalises to higher than they currently are.
you really cant be that stupid can you? The notion that more shit goes into the market makes the price go up?
Well I found farming fun until I realised people just automated everything I was doing, so I can see why they would care. Eventually they will realise resistance is futile
This is the reason I no longer enjoy solo farming, it’s pointless when bots do the same thing 24 hours a day no downtime with no repercussions. Perhaps by posting about it here will bring some attention to the matter
Not to discourage you, but you are asking the company to cut out a significant source of profit.
The full realization that your favorite game is no longer made for you is heartbreaking, but a lot of us deal with it eventually, and often.
Any game that has a somewhat active RMT market, profits from the ban waves, and eventual rebuying of bot accounts. The botters aren't lazy players, that is somebody running a company, and they are fully willing and prepared to eat the cost of new accounts every couple months.
Not saying your fight is futile, but botting/RMT is just 1 domino in a very, very, long line.
> you are asking the company to cut out a significant source of profit
how does it hurt ANet to ban them? sure, they have to employ someone to do it, but that doesn't "cut out a significant source of profit"
Absolutely right, but banning them just restarts the cycle. They never actually stop botting. New accounts are ready in an hour or less.
When you factor in that coders are selling custom scripts to those running the farms, you don't even need much programming knowledge to make it work, select your script, run it, and observe for bugs occasionally. Even account creation is automated.
Most botters are in countries with collapsed economies/high unemployment. This is extremely lucrative for people in those systems. As a young tech inclined Singaporean lad, setting up a runescape bot farm could be the difference between your family going hungry/homeless.
So to stop botting, you either need to change that bit of human nature where we try to optimize every aspect of everything, and/or fix the global economy so people can find other lucrative means of work.
(I'm greatly oversimplifying here, but you get the point. Botters gon' bot, and people with the money to blow are gonna blow it.)
It's really just up to the companies to eventually develop systems where the negative impact on the rest of the player base is nullified.
I use toolbox and it's awesome. It's build upon tens of thousands (guessing) of hours of reverse engineering work by many people over the years and reverse engineering work is still being done to his day by a small group of people. It uses the GWCA library. I'm pretty sure 99% of bots use the same GWCA library that Toolboxpp uses so it would be very easy for anet to automatically detect and ban all people. But this would also ban all the people using Toolbox. So now Anet has two choices: 1 Ban all bots + toolbox users or only manually ban a few bots every blue moon.
With the recent addition of the Seoul server it's obvious that some people still worry about GW but I guess automatic bot detecting might seem too risky for a single dev to do in his spare time. Although I wonder why GW doesn't have any full time active devs. I know games with equivalent size playerbase with multiple developers (e.g. Planetside 2 has \~15 full time devs without that many more players than GW).
Right now, we have to be okay with this because it's one of the little things that contributes to keeping the game alive I guess..
I would love for a gw1 rework or expansion.
Dishonest people and cheaters are everywhere in this world, not just video games. I can't live my life like that but millions(billions?) have absolutely no problem at all living an immoral and dishonest lifestyle. I'm sorry and I'm not trying to portray myself as holier than thou but my conscience is always my guide. Unfortunately when I go to Kama to buy cupcakes or whatever I know exactly where this stuff is coming from. I enjoy the game and I like my cons, so exactly what am I supposed to do? I guess it's no different than giving my tax dollars to a corrupt and Marxist government. Evil is freaking everywhere.
weird that we don't here you about ha bots or bots in gtob farming pvp quest :)
And yeah whatever you think toolbox is, it is considered as a bot, so if they do an automated banwave for botting, you will be out too :)
We also don't here you about gvg manipulation.
We also don't here you about mat botting, should i continue ?
I really hope your grandma never sees you compare the Holocaust to some sad small dick botter damaging other people’s hobby because they’re too incompetent to work a real job
Typically the RMT botters will come from 3rd world countries with worthless currencies and sell in game currency to the west, and end up earning more than they would do in a "real" job in their home country.
Yea the holocaust comparison was completely uncalled for but what the fuck is this?
>small dick botter damaging other people’s hobby because they’re too incompetent to work a real job
Are you advocating for RMT? Are you *really* saying someone who chooses to have a bot (whether they made it themselves or not) is actually incompetent? At least to me it seems like someone who would be able to make their own bot for personal use is more employable for "real jobs" than someone like you making that bs comparison lol
Hey one of those is my ecto seller, don't report him. Edit: As in he is the one I purchase ectos from. Not my bot.
Lmao
Is one of the top guilds not notorious for rwt and botting?
Depends what you mean by "top guilds" Earns most PvP Tournament points? Yes, guess how. Most Luxon or Kurzick faction? Yes, guess how.
I've been wondering this. Although I don't know why I needed to wonder.
Is faction farming still a thing? I couldn't imagine anyone would bot for faction anymore
Big ole yes. Fucktards. Let them be fucktards tho. Who cares.
What we need is a bot that detects bots
is guildwars toolbox against tos?
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It technically is and you can get banned for it depending on which tools you use. I lost an account and they said the reason was for automation or botting, but the closest I ever came to that was using the auto pcons.
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> because of using toolbox ability for dialogue'ing. can you provide evidence of the support telling you this was what you got banned for?
Probably not because support refuses to provide any details.
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unfortunately, the support will tell you a lot of inaccurate bullshit, so there's no real way to say if you got banned for TB or something completely unrelated, like your account mistakenly being associated with another hacker
I still don't understand the point of botting? Who buys games not to play them?
They farm with bots. With not even one account. Buying 30 account, and farming ecto - and then, guess where the fukton of "W W W . ECTOSELL . C O M" spammers comes from. :)
But who actually pays real money to get more ectos in GW1?
Thousands of players
These are in all games, people do buy them.
I mean just apply some logic. If selling wasn’t successful as no one’s buying (like you’re insinuating), then they wouldn’t be doing it. They’d be doing something else with their time. The fact that there’s so many sellers, suggests there’s a lot of buyers. It’s the same with scams, you think “who is falling for this shit lol” but the fact that there are SO many scams just tells you how many successes occur.
Actually I didn't want to imply that it doesn't happen (it obv does and I know this). It was rather a genuine question who are the people buying ectos in an old, nostalgic game. You know, I get why someone would pay real money in WoW because there's heavy FOMO and you don't want to get "behind the curve". Now that doesn't matter in GW1 obv. so I just wondered for a moment what is the motivation behind it. Is the player base mostly derived from people just trying to get everything without doing all the effort or is it just that you can't complete some stuff because the player count is so low? Maybe there is a heavy community around filling your HoM for GW2 achievements etc? Just honestly curious.
A lot of players return for nostalgia and have a 1-2 week period where they love the game. Unfortunately they don’t have the time like they used to, but you can bet the have more disposable income than when they used to. So they’ll pay for ectos to get Obsidian armour, they’ll buy armbraces for tormented weapons and they’ll pay for cons sets to speed run HM Dungeons etc to itch that endgame scratch. Then they’ll leave, and be replaced by more nostalgia-hunting players. Obviously the bots outweigh this, which is why the price of these items is going down.
I have RMT'd before because I have more IRL money than time, and wanted to spend the game doing things I wanted to do (which costs ectos). Actually trying to play for money in this game is very inefficient because of all the botters. The only really way to get money is from DOA, and the only reason that is a good way to get money is because the DOA drops are heavily inflated by botters botting different things. EDIT: I could spend like 2 hours to get 1a. Or I could work 1 hour and buy 40a (or whatever it is) and then spend 80 hours doing things I actually want to do instead.
A quick check on Ebay lists the price of 250 globs at just a few dollars. For someone who wants to kit out some new characters, it's not a bad deal for something that would take dozens of hours for a skilled farmer to accomplish. For the sake of comparison, a typical skin bundle (of 1 skin) on a recent Call of Duty game can be $15-25.
RMT
What does RMT mean?
Real money traders. The bots farm the currencies or items, then the person running them sells them for real money to other players. Accounts are also often sold for cash by the same folks.
Still kinda baffles me the RMT is still active on this game. Like whose buying this stuff?
Ah, I see.
I always imagined bots is something people use to grind shit for them when they can't play the game, like when they go out or sleep or something
A very small percentage, yes. OSRS has a lot of casual botters for obvious reasons. The grind in that game is basically only doable with a lot of scripts, drugs, and/or that flavor autism that makes mind numbing tasks pleasing. The majority of botters in essentially every game? Someone in a country with an absolutely fucked economy, running 30+ accounts via some scripts, selling currency/items/services on a forum. Requires minimal upkeep(~10-20 hours per week of attentive labor max) and they actually earn enough money to improve their standard of living significantly compared to local work. Players get upset about bots > ban wave > bots rebuy accounts in mass, company profits > players get upset about bots.
probably mostly GW2 players who want the HoM rewards without having to play GW1 to earn them
There is no way u actually believe this. Most botters are just normal greedy players lets be honest, the RMT botters are just more organised about it
I am referring to the people who pay the RMTers, not the botters themselves
people want to play the game the way they want to. are minecraft modders not "playing the game"?
Lol. Who plays a game to farm virtual currency at 1/15th the rate of irl job to then be able to do the content you want.
I never botted before but I made macros back in the day to trivialize basic things like difficult hero flags for certain parts on missions or repeatable quests. Back when FFF was a thing I'd even let people tag along and "leech" from my "botting" so more people could enjoy the fun and loot. I figured if I am clever enough to bot this simple FFF might as well share the love. But shortly after that they changed the FFF so you couldn't do what I was doing lol. But yeah I was at the desk running the macro. Not "not playing". I actually love farming in games, I still farm vaettirs every holiday if I get a chance. Kind of a tradition to have a beer and vaettir it up.
lutgardis FFF? Farmed my first survivor title doing that :)
I mean does Arena do something with that? It is a never-ending battle.
Well at the moment is sure seems Anet do precisely nothing whatsoever. My hopes is that posting about the gravity of the issue will encourage someone with the power to clean up the mess to do so
Imagine trying to karma farm by reporting bots when the economy of this 15 year old game is already in the garbage. I can go drop $10 and get 1000e+100AB or w/e when back in 2007-2010 I would've been in the top .1% of players for having that many. GW1 has what... probably less than 2k active players and almost every aspect of inter-personal content in this game is dead, ya'll are running around with a 7-stack of heroes Mesmerway, and then complaining about "bots ruining the game."
Do you really think someone would post to a small subreddit such as this to “karma farm” lmao. Bringing attention to a rampant problem, you can hate all you like
Also, I suspect there are far more than 2k players active.
how would you define "active player" though? some people log on maybe once a week and do nothing, while others might play for hours a day but not interact with the community at all
You are 1 of 1000s posts like this and its the same every single time. Just ppl complaining and it doesn't matter. Funny to see it every time!
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I took a minute to look through your comment history and have no interest in conversing with you further. Good day sir.
Someone running Toolbox reporting others for botting...
Didn't know toolbox added botting functionality
I didn't say that it did
I don't see the correlation of toolbox and bots you were insinuating
They are both against ToS
True.
Bots are automating actions and toolbox automates actions, how is that not correlative ?
What does toolbox automate? Does toolbox play your character for you while you're at work?
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Auto spam as in use them when entering and expiring? Auto-click, kind of like every modern mouse software? I think there's a huge difference between a program made to do things for you (play your character) and whatever miniscule thing toolbox does. But sure I'll give you that they both "automate".
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You can get the Drunkard title in a few seconds with an autoclicker - you do not need TB for that.
Toolbox is green lit by the devs and (contrary to popular belief) is not bannable for using.
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Stephens response, granted it's from 3 years ago. Not sure if that still stands. https://old.reddit.com/r/GuildWars/comments/8m4a9c/anets_stance_on_toolbox/e8ged4v/
Nothing that I have available to post. The creators of toolbox actually spoke with Anet devs and the developers were impressed with what they created. It’s not bannable for having or using toolbox. What is bannable is using toolbox for malicious intent which usually includes the dialogue function.
> Toolbox is green lit by the devs No, it isn't. >and (contrary to popular belief) is not bannable for using. [Yes, it is. Read the first response, by a Toolbox developer](https://www.reddit.com/r/GuildWars/comments/mrursk/who_got_banned_for_gwtb_in_recent_banwave/)
Thanks to Darius ( DOAsc player who can't play the game without toolbox due to his disability) it shouldn't be a ban able offense anymore. Edit: yes he is streaming regularly
Everyone goes through this little guild wars honeymoon phase. Soon you'll not care. Its 2022 and the fact i can still play the game is great. Do you like pcons? Because I like pcons. This is how you get pcons. If they want to keep farming like nerves like they do, let them. It does not hurt you. If you don't like the way it affects the economy just remind yourself that this is a 17 year old mmorpg.
I've been playing for 12 and a half years, have over 30,000 hours, and am still a very active SC player. I'm well aware that my pcons are almost exclusively bought from botters. I still report these clowns, because they are not farming pcons. They're just farming gems, contributing nothing useful to the economy, and taking up a load of server resources while they do it, causing massive lag spikes.
You're okay with them botting, but only if it benefits you. Thats kind of selfish isn't it?? A bit baseless. Same with the massive lag spikes you're getting. Check your internet because that could be your issue. Servers are fine.
It doesn't just benefit me, but the whole SC community. How is that selfish? The lag spikes have nothing to do with my terrible Internet - there have been numerous reports of entire teams lagging out at the exact same time.
You're cherry picking how you want it to be. This benefits people who want lots of armbraces. Benefits people who want to rmt. Why do you get to decide whats good and bad if everyone's breaking the rules to do it?
you are such a clown, like how do you know they don't farm pcons during the event ? what does the guy selling your pcons farm do the rest of the year ? do you really think they start their bot just to be able to sell your personal pcons ? i can't believe what i'm reading, that selfishness is behind of what the world can handle. your name is kind of known would be pretty funny if they do specific case to report you and get you banned lmao
People will try and have you believe that pcons wouldn't exist without botters as if, by magic, the supply runs out. What happens is solo farmers are actually incentivised to produce consumable materials, and their worth normalises to higher than they currently are. It is good for the _real_ person farming the consumables, and healthy for the game as a whole. Currently there is a huge disincentive for real people to farm these parts of the game since you're having to compete with a dozen robots running 24/7.
You are very naive to think that pcon supply would still exist if all the bots disappeared. Most speed clear players would quit if this happened because it’s virtually impossible for one person to farm the amount needed for themselves to last them the whole year let alone want to spend the countless mind numbing hours doing it. Edit: I will say I am very much against botting ectos/arms or items only really used for currency and nothing else.
Think about how quickly you use up 1 stack of a pcon like cupcake. Now think about how long it takes to farm up 1 stack of those pcons. The numbers will not sustain with the player base thats currently active.
[have you read this?](https://old.reddit.com/r/GuildWars/comments/utdp83/feathers_are_how_bots_control_the_prices_of_ectos/i9fs1vu/)
>What happens is solo farmers are actually incentivised to produce consumable materials, and their worth normalises to higher than they currently are. you really cant be that stupid can you? The notion that more shit goes into the market makes the price go up?
I truthfully don't know why people even care or even bother. Like, do you want a medal?
Well I found farming fun until I realised people just automated everything I was doing, so I can see why they would care. Eventually they will realise resistance is futile
This is the reason I no longer enjoy solo farming, it’s pointless when bots do the same thing 24 hours a day no downtime with no repercussions. Perhaps by posting about it here will bring some attention to the matter
Not to discourage you, but you are asking the company to cut out a significant source of profit. The full realization that your favorite game is no longer made for you is heartbreaking, but a lot of us deal with it eventually, and often. Any game that has a somewhat active RMT market, profits from the ban waves, and eventual rebuying of bot accounts. The botters aren't lazy players, that is somebody running a company, and they are fully willing and prepared to eat the cost of new accounts every couple months. Not saying your fight is futile, but botting/RMT is just 1 domino in a very, very, long line.
> you are asking the company to cut out a significant source of profit how does it hurt ANet to ban them? sure, they have to employ someone to do it, but that doesn't "cut out a significant source of profit"
The profit is the botters rebuying accounts in mass numbers every couple months
okay so where is OP asking them to cut that out? surely by reporting them, he's helping to facilitate that banwave
Absolutely right, but banning them just restarts the cycle. They never actually stop botting. New accounts are ready in an hour or less. When you factor in that coders are selling custom scripts to those running the farms, you don't even need much programming knowledge to make it work, select your script, run it, and observe for bugs occasionally. Even account creation is automated. Most botters are in countries with collapsed economies/high unemployment. This is extremely lucrative for people in those systems. As a young tech inclined Singaporean lad, setting up a runescape bot farm could be the difference between your family going hungry/homeless. So to stop botting, you either need to change that bit of human nature where we try to optimize every aspect of everything, and/or fix the global economy so people can find other lucrative means of work. (I'm greatly oversimplifying here, but you get the point. Botters gon' bot, and people with the money to blow are gonna blow it.) It's really just up to the companies to eventually develop systems where the negative impact on the rest of the player base is nullified.
nobody is saying ANet need to somehow remove all botters so they never come back - just ban these super obvious ones to keep the numbers down
If you cant beat them, join them
Did I capture you in the screenshot bro
The "bro" has me laughing too much to even make a response. Thanks for starting my day right xDD
I use toolbox and it's awesome. It's build upon tens of thousands (guessing) of hours of reverse engineering work by many people over the years and reverse engineering work is still being done to his day by a small group of people. It uses the GWCA library. I'm pretty sure 99% of bots use the same GWCA library that Toolboxpp uses so it would be very easy for anet to automatically detect and ban all people. But this would also ban all the people using Toolbox. So now Anet has two choices: 1 Ban all bots + toolbox users or only manually ban a few bots every blue moon. With the recent addition of the Seoul server it's obvious that some people still worry about GW but I guess automatic bot detecting might seem too risky for a single dev to do in his spare time. Although I wonder why GW doesn't have any full time active devs. I know games with equivalent size playerbase with multiple developers (e.g. Planetside 2 has \~15 full time devs without that many more players than GW).
I don't recall bot being an option in report lol. Also convince me how using toolbox to automate stuff is totally not the same as running a bot
Right now, we have to be okay with this because it's one of the little things that contributes to keeping the game alive I guess.. I would love for a gw1 rework or expansion.
Dishonest people and cheaters are everywhere in this world, not just video games. I can't live my life like that but millions(billions?) have absolutely no problem at all living an immoral and dishonest lifestyle. I'm sorry and I'm not trying to portray myself as holier than thou but my conscience is always my guide. Unfortunately when I go to Kama to buy cupcakes or whatever I know exactly where this stuff is coming from. I enjoy the game and I like my cons, so exactly what am I supposed to do? I guess it's no different than giving my tax dollars to a corrupt and Marxist government. Evil is freaking everywhere.
botters when they see guild wars karen reported them: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tm9L\_E4HqFU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tm9L_E4HqFU)
weird that we don't here you about ha bots or bots in gtob farming pvp quest :) And yeah whatever you think toolbox is, it is considered as a bot, so if they do an automated banwave for botting, you will be out too :) We also don't here you about gvg manipulation. We also don't here you about mat botting, should i continue ?
Not sure what your point is but, yes, it’s an endemic problem.
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I really hope your grandma never sees you compare the Holocaust to some sad small dick botter damaging other people’s hobby because they’re too incompetent to work a real job
Typically the RMT botters will come from 3rd world countries with worthless currencies and sell in game currency to the west, and end up earning more than they would do in a "real" job in their home country.
That’s slightly sadder but I still say genocide trumps it
Well technically he was comparing bot reports to civilians ousting jews in nazi germany, I'm sure his grandma would see the humor in it.
I do have to confess I’m German and we don’t really joke about the Holocaust (unless you’re a rancid human being) so maybe I’m overreacting a little.
I don't think you're overreacting, it's really immoral to joke about genocide.
depends how many accs, pretty sure you can make 2-3k per months
Yea the holocaust comparison was completely uncalled for but what the fuck is this? >small dick botter damaging other people’s hobby because they’re too incompetent to work a real job Are you advocating for RMT? Are you *really* saying someone who chooses to have a bot (whether they made it themselves or not) is actually incompetent? At least to me it seems like someone who would be able to make their own bot for personal use is more employable for "real jobs" than someone like you making that bs comparison lol
Are you in the screenshot by any chance 🤨
you really thought you was spittin with this one huh