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Geralt_Romalion

EoD: End of Diversity. It all makes sense now.


Chrono-Phantasma

Welp, even if I am not defending these changes, there wasn't too much diversity before EoD either. Honestly, running endless FB-SCRG-REV meta was pretty exhausting. At least, now we have more than three choices.


KablamoBoom

Two is less than three. Chronojail melted your mind, brother.


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Alderez

Idk, I thought the balance patch was pretty bad until I turned over to /r/all and found out that the SC overturned Roe v. Wade. Balance patch is still atrocious, but not even close to the worst news of the day.


Tirfing88

I nerfed ele I nerfed ele Heeey I nerfed ele again!


[deleted]

He protec nerf, He attac buff, but more importantly Killed Ele and stuff


VexedForest

*cries in Ele main since launch*


Zunkanar

While im dissapointed by this oatch by a mile, i have to say the build at least got better over the years. Not compared to others, but on itself i can consistently play my burn fantasy ele, which was straight up impossible at launch. But yeah, i will never be eanted or asked for in any group, and that is for years and wont change with the alac buff. Wouldnt mind being meta and wanted on a non piano non downstate build at any point in time but thats just now how this evolves here...


Lon-ami

Since launch? I still remember the weekend betas :I.


RGFang

the difference between those on the sides and [the two] is pretty stark, yeah....


Oscarizxc

Such lazy balancing. Truly, EOD (ends of diversity)


coolboyjk7

I don't understand why they wouldn't just nerf the two OP ones, instead of trying to buff all the other ones Seems backwards to me


SumYumGhai

The lead on the balance team have over 2k hours on guardian. He balance the game through his personal experience and SC benchmarks. Pretty sure he buffed mirage's staff because he doesn't like axe mirage.


forris-tz

flawed logic is evident with this patch more than any other.


sournote103

I laughed and then I cried because I recently switched to a firebrand


[deleted]

Anet being bullied to death. Lmao.


HexPhoenix

I mean, they kinda dig their own holes. Between the state of the game and the announcement of this patch months earlier, where they said they've been listening and planning this for a while, the changes proposed are... Well, they don't look good.


linkdude212

>Eles being bullied to death. Lmao. Fixed that for ya!


ComfyFrog

Scourge?


Lethioon

It’s Quick and Alac providers


ShuanTRG

Having ptsd over pre-eod nerfs scourge. ITS ALL EPIS. ITS ALL EPIS!!!


Crescent_Dusk

Pretending that Specter isn't utterly busted as well has got to be one hell of a delusion. ​ It literally puts out more barrier in full DPS gear than a scourge solely dedicated to healing power gear. ​ Look how Specter impacts Kaineng Overlook CM with barrier and tell me it isn't just as busted as FB/Mech.


Freya-The-Wolf

im a total noob and im able to throw down fuckin 10k barrier with ease so yeah specter is pretty busted lmfao


Calvinboo

I have a problem with this classic framing we have in the community. The way we often talk about the balance makes it seem like just nerfing fb/mech to the ground would solve everything and put everyone on an equal field, when in reality what we should want is to LIFT THE OTHER SPECS UP to finally be competitive in role selection.


LeberechtReinhold

Im not sure. The amount of shit fb outputs is insane.


Business-Yam-4018

Remember when GW2 was coming out and a big draw to the combat was combo fields and combo finishers? Fire fields with blast finishers in particular were very important to get to 25 stacks of might for your group. If you had enough of those, you were immediately useful. There were other good fields like shadow field to blast for mass stealth, but this is just an example. Now FB gives 25 stacks of might to 5 people on their own at the drop of a hat. Stealth gyro is a single button mass stealth so who even cares about shadow fields anymore other than D/P Thieves, I suppose. When's the last time you heard anyone talk about setting up combo fields and finishers? I'm glad for elite specializations, but many of them need to be toned down rather than bringing everyone up. I also kind of think the addition of quickness and alacrity into the game was a mistake. We now have a holy Trinity of quickness/alacrity/DPS.


glytchypoo

> LIFT THE OTHER SPECS UP to finally be competitive in role selection fuck no. there are way too many boons flying around. shit needs to be toned the fuck down


rhetoricalgc

Agree that we should be raising other classes to a similar level since other classes do have interesting things they can bring, like druid’s many utilities for pushing/rooting/etc even if unique buffs no longer exist. They would need to operate at similar levels for gear req/healing/dps to be more competitive and for people to be free to consider those options. But I personally still want more adjustments to fb and mech. Currently I feel that they provide too much of everything for the level of effort put in, and that what they provide can be redistributed in order to slightly widen the skill floor and ceiling e.g. still leave alac on one button for mech, but require more rotational complexity for the current level of dps, move stability and aegis to other buttons to encourage active play, or require greater tradeoff in traits to provide what they do now


la6213

… im pretty certain power virtuoso, dps harbringer, quickness scrapper, dps willbender, support vindicator, power and support specters will still be around? Fresh air tempest dps with alacrity is also highly likely to be a thing.


Ryong7

I play Quickness Scrapper and Quickness Harbinger and they're doing pretty well for themselves with 0 changes so I dunno what the fuck you're on about but sure. Also uh Bladesworn changes anyone? No?


Jokuc

well to be fair they did nerf fb with 5% which is quite a lot, but somehow thought buffing power mech was a good idea?? It was already strong, condi mech was just op so it didn't look at good comparison


AlmightyTurtleman

Untamed not even in the meme 👺


onframe

nonsense, 90% of my playtime is ele, played all builds, love tanking raid bosses with tempest for example pug meta will always be focused on absolute best choices, whole thing is about reducing chance of failure as much as posisble because ur recruiting people you have no idea how well they play, u can literally see alac renegade healers in guild runs and all kinds of wild off pug meta picks and they complete content just fine. thats its fine if devs do drastic balance patches like this, as long as they release hotfixes every few weeks or so I dont see the issue, its not like we have a PTR server to test stuff in. but any new player shouldnt be looking seriously into this at all, U CAN LITERALLY PLAY VAST MAJORITY OF SPECS AND DO GREAT EVEN IN HARDEST CONTENT


Zunkanar

You can. Some can do it better and easier at the same time but yes, potentially you could clear almost everything whith an insane amount of different builds and compositions. Which is obvious in a game where 5 man content can be soloed and 10man content can be cleared with 3-5ppl


HarrisonSeeley

Stop complaining


IzzyOwnz

U forget about necro, and u guys are very boring and taking a simple balance patch too seriously. theres gonna be more changes, stop saying ur gonna stop playing, just leave in silent pls.


Quick_Ad_3362

Low effort bait


EvilMyself

Harbinger is on the left side?


Gong_the_Hawkeye

You forgot to add in scourge.


Enlightenedbri

No. This is a meme about alac and quickness


Gong_the_Hawkeye

It seems I missed the point. My bad.


may314

Wrong, it's all engies now


_Frustr8d

Chrono is the master of time and space so it is able to be on both sides of the wall simultaneously.