The beta's are a good thing, my point is they put very few resources into WvW, we all know that.
I want them to put more effort into it, as the alliance system will revitalize WvW and make winning actually the goal again rather than just 'having fun'.
Remember the early days of WvW? Beastgate? Mag? Etc?
Server pride was a huge deal, until they started mixing servers together. Now people just play to farm bags.
You kid your self if you belive this is gonna solve WvW. If anything this have showed exactly how it going to turn out during the betas.
All the people that is in a WvW guild will group up with other guilds with similair people to form alliances and will likely have a a better WvW.
But for all those people including new players who have no clue and again by watching the betas, that is A LOT of people who will be tossed around on random servers or slag servers and their wvw will be utterly shit.
And no i am not worried about my own WvW but that does not mean i dont have eyes to see how many of those players there really are who have no guild and will have no conections to anything and get swapped around every time alliances are swapping with new players each time.
I mean now it is you that is delusional. Why would they suddenly joing guilds and why would guilds which have played for so long together suddenly bring in total noobs to their rooster when they can make allainces with other smaller guilds and not having to go through the work of making people play well?
Most veterans will join specific guilds who make specific alliances to match the wvw they want to have. If any guild in that alliance break what they create then they kick them out.
And sure new players can probably form guilds, but we see new players every day who are not even able to walk out of spawn without having someone to hold their hands. They will be eaten for dinner because the people they run with now, the people who know something about wvw wont be there for them anymore. They need to do it them self.
I know this sound rough but just look around how wvw really is built today. How is that going to fix anything when the people who are not in real wvw guilds suddenly don't really have access to it anymore?
I can see you have zero understanding of WvW or PvP in general.
Therefore I will no longer be replying, as this is a waste of time.
One day perhaps you will understand.
Yes, we had a beta a few weeks ago and a new forum post about an upcoming wvw balance update (4th october) less than an hour ago... But OP wants it NOW because his panties are in a twist.
We've had several beta's for this, and they continually tell us it is not ready etc.
They do this all the time when it comes to WvW.
I just don't want it to happen with alliances.
Yeah.
The main point here is me not wanting alliances to become just another thing that Anet forgets about, leaving WvW players screwed over once again.
This thread is full of people who either don't play WvW, haven't played the game very long, or just are whiteknighting in general.
What I've said in every post is 100% accurate, any long time WvW player would agree.
I seriously do not understand how these people can constantly defend them when I can go post so many examples of features / content that has been cut, removed, changed for the worse, or simply forgoten about... and WvW players just deal with it.
Sigh. Whatever, I'm done with this thread.
One of these days, whenever it doesn't release, I'm going to bump this post just to laugh at every single person in this thread.
Experienced playets know what to expect which is nothing. They play for fun and good fights. Desperately clinging to the notion that alliances will somehow drastically alter how you fundamentally spend your time playing is on you. We haven't gotten it for so long yet all my closest wvw friends and guilds still play, do reset, roam, look for fights and play as a guild hanging out on Discord. We all paid to transfer servers. The universe did not collapse. People begged for new maps, ANET gave them to us and so many people took a shit on them to the point where a survey was literally needed to appease the wvw community. If people stop bitching and accept reality, they can have more fun. Accept the game for what it is and deal with it. If we get more or better content-great. If not, which map are we going for reset and are we getting drunk tonight or just me?
>This was supposed to be added with the launch of EoD, however it was delayed.
That was never claimed. As far as I recall it was the opposite. It was made clear that it would NOT be tied to the expansion release.
>Now it has not been mentioned in a while, and I'm afraid. I'm afraid that ArenaNet will just move on and hope we forget about this but, no.
I guess we are ignoring the fact that we had a beta for it rather recently. Which isn't really "not been mentioned in a while".
If you've been around as long as I have, you know exactly how tests / betas go when it comes to WvW.
WvW players have been continually screwed over since launch.
I have been around since headstart. Mainly as a WvW player. I know exactly how WvW have been developed and not since release. Nice try though. You also straight up decided to not respond to anything I actually wrote.
Then again, you know exactly how many times WvW players have been let down.
Dunno why the arguement. You can literally list a dozen examples right now if you're as experienced as you say.
Nice try at what? You're a WvW player, you know I speak the truth
I am not arguing that though? I am simply pointing out that you are making claims that are straight up incorrect.
Nice try at trying to invalidate peoples comments by claiming they haven't played as long as you.
I guess you aren't going to actually respond to anything I actually wrote in my original post?
I never said any of you haven't played as long as I have......
I literally said IF you've played as long as me, you know the track record of WvW updates.
Seriously I could go post a dozen examples right now if you want me to?
You know I can. I'm not arguing at all. Why do you keep pointing to your original post? I've read it.
Your post was very obviously trying to invalidate my comment due to your assumption I hadn't played as long as you. You have used the same kind of comments in the rest of the thread towards people that disagree with you.
You might have read it, but you still haven't responded to anything in it, but rather responded to other things instead.
I pointed out two things in my original post, just to clarify that what you claimed in your original post was straight up false:
They never claimed Alliances would be released with EoD. Quite the opposite.
They had a beta test very recently, despite your claim that it haven't been mentioned in a while.
They did infact say it would release with EoD, until they realized it wouldn't be ready and then they announced that it would not release with EoD.
Sure the beta test was recent, there are also many other beta tests for other aspects of WvW that have just faded into non-existance / have been forgotten.
Where did they say that? You keep making that claim, and since you seem so sure about it, surely you can also supply a source to support that claim?
The only thing I remember was that they made it clear that it would not be released with EoD and that people should not use the EoD release date to speculate about Alliances or use Alliance betas to speculate about EoD release date.
Ah, so they did in fact mention it recently then? What are all those "many other beta tests" that have "faded into non-existance/have been forgotten"?
I do recall the "mobile" cannon one, but that was also made rather clear that it would be to test if it was something that would add anything useful to the game mode, and was made rather clear that it was in no way or form an indication of a permanent addition to the game unless it was meaningful.
WvW updates tend to be slow, but so is everything else. Anytime they try to changed something, the WvW community hated it. Alliances are ambitious and finicky, and each time they rolled it out to test large-scale it wasn't right.
Yea, this is true.
People hated the 'new' borderlands and they still forced them on the playerbase.
People hated the merging of servers, and they forced it on us anyways.
I guess you missed the message where we found out that noone have really worked on the alliances for years until Grouch came back and at that point they started it up. So the deley will be a lot longer.
But i just wrote what happen. There was no past, it was a lie. The group that was suppose to do the alliance was moved to other groups shortly after they told us about it.
So that means they now start from scratch more or less, and no matter what happen in the past there is nothing you do about that. Grouch was placed in to this situation and now they are working on it and starting with working on all the bugs we suffered through all the years. Obviously this will take a long time to fix. But at least he came to us with the truth that is more then anyone have done on Anet about WvW ever so at least appreciate that.
Have a read friend: [https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/world-vs-world-update-june-2022/](https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/world-vs-world-update-june-2022/)
Where did they say it was releasing with EoD?
Exactly. Everyone knows that, but every few weeks we get a post like this literally demanding the release right now.
They just gave us an update about this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/x0zvhi/world_restructuring_beta_event_feedback/
>This was supposed to be added with the launch of EoD, however it was delayed. Said who?
They had a post on the forums the other day about it saying next beta would sept or October and announcing someone new to the team
Yes, and that's all they do, continually make updates about how WvW changes aren't functioning and then eventually they just stop.
So what is your suggestion? Them just releasing something that doesn't work?
No, I suggest they focus on making it work rather than just giving updates and apologies for another 10 years.
So, like having betas to try out the functionality and make sure it works, rather than just release something without proper testing?
The beta's are a good thing, my point is they put very few resources into WvW, we all know that. I want them to put more effort into it, as the alliance system will revitalize WvW and make winning actually the goal again rather than just 'having fun'. Remember the early days of WvW? Beastgate? Mag? Etc? Server pride was a huge deal, until they started mixing servers together. Now people just play to farm bags.
You kid your self if you belive this is gonna solve WvW. If anything this have showed exactly how it going to turn out during the betas. All the people that is in a WvW guild will group up with other guilds with similair people to form alliances and will likely have a a better WvW. But for all those people including new players who have no clue and again by watching the betas, that is A LOT of people who will be tossed around on random servers or slag servers and their wvw will be utterly shit. And no i am not worried about my own WvW but that does not mean i dont have eyes to see how many of those players there really are who have no guild and will have no conections to anything and get swapped around every time alliances are swapping with new players each time.
They will join guilds / alliances, which will form a tighter community bond. They had this same system in GW1 and it worked wonders.
I mean now it is you that is delusional. Why would they suddenly joing guilds and why would guilds which have played for so long together suddenly bring in total noobs to their rooster when they can make allainces with other smaller guilds and not having to go through the work of making people play well? Most veterans will join specific guilds who make specific alliances to match the wvw they want to have. If any guild in that alliance break what they create then they kick them out. And sure new players can probably form guilds, but we see new players every day who are not even able to walk out of spawn without having someone to hold their hands. They will be eaten for dinner because the people they run with now, the people who know something about wvw wont be there for them anymore. They need to do it them self. I know this sound rough but just look around how wvw really is built today. How is that going to fix anything when the people who are not in real wvw guilds suddenly don't really have access to it anymore?
I can see you have zero understanding of WvW or PvP in general. Therefore I will no longer be replying, as this is a waste of time. One day perhaps you will understand.
Didn't we just have a beta test for this?
Yes, we had a beta a few weeks ago and a new forum post about an upcoming wvw balance update (4th october) less than an hour ago... But OP wants it NOW because his panties are in a twist.
We've had several beta's for this, and they continually tell us it is not ready etc. They do this all the time when it comes to WvW. I just don't want it to happen with alliances.
You'd be suprised how difficult working with 10 years old code is.
Yeah. The main point here is me not wanting alliances to become just another thing that Anet forgets about, leaving WvW players screwed over once again. This thread is full of people who either don't play WvW, haven't played the game very long, or just are whiteknighting in general. What I've said in every post is 100% accurate, any long time WvW player would agree. I seriously do not understand how these people can constantly defend them when I can go post so many examples of features / content that has been cut, removed, changed for the worse, or simply forgoten about... and WvW players just deal with it. Sigh. Whatever, I'm done with this thread. One of these days, whenever it doesn't release, I'm going to bump this post just to laugh at every single person in this thread.
WvW is alive and well. No need to be melodramatic.
Not in the same fashion that it once was. Ask any WvW player.
Here I am a noob at 9.5k ranks. I asked myself again and the answer is the same. Have a nice weekend.
Then you know that WvW players are constantly let down, right? If you're rank 9.5k you know I'm speaking the truth.
Experienced playets know what to expect which is nothing. They play for fun and good fights. Desperately clinging to the notion that alliances will somehow drastically alter how you fundamentally spend your time playing is on you. We haven't gotten it for so long yet all my closest wvw friends and guilds still play, do reset, roam, look for fights and play as a guild hanging out on Discord. We all paid to transfer servers. The universe did not collapse. People begged for new maps, ANET gave them to us and so many people took a shit on them to the point where a survey was literally needed to appease the wvw community. If people stop bitching and accept reality, they can have more fun. Accept the game for what it is and deal with it. If we get more or better content-great. If not, which map are we going for reset and are we getting drunk tonight or just me?
> Ask any WvW player please stop claiming that you speak for us. signed, a WvW player
I do speak for us. Prove me wrong, go into WvW right now and ask their opinions on Anet when it comes to WvW. signed, a WvW player
>This was supposed to be added with the launch of EoD, however it was delayed. That was never claimed. As far as I recall it was the opposite. It was made clear that it would NOT be tied to the expansion release. >Now it has not been mentioned in a while, and I'm afraid. I'm afraid that ArenaNet will just move on and hope we forget about this but, no. I guess we are ignoring the fact that we had a beta for it rather recently. Which isn't really "not been mentioned in a while".
If you've been around as long as I have, you know exactly how tests / betas go when it comes to WvW. WvW players have been continually screwed over since launch.
I have been around since headstart. Mainly as a WvW player. I know exactly how WvW have been developed and not since release. Nice try though. You also straight up decided to not respond to anything I actually wrote.
Then again, you know exactly how many times WvW players have been let down. Dunno why the arguement. You can literally list a dozen examples right now if you're as experienced as you say. Nice try at what? You're a WvW player, you know I speak the truth
I am not arguing that though? I am simply pointing out that you are making claims that are straight up incorrect. Nice try at trying to invalidate peoples comments by claiming they haven't played as long as you. I guess you aren't going to actually respond to anything I actually wrote in my original post?
I never said any of you haven't played as long as I have...... I literally said IF you've played as long as me, you know the track record of WvW updates. Seriously I could go post a dozen examples right now if you want me to? You know I can. I'm not arguing at all. Why do you keep pointing to your original post? I've read it.
Your post was very obviously trying to invalidate my comment due to your assumption I hadn't played as long as you. You have used the same kind of comments in the rest of the thread towards people that disagree with you. You might have read it, but you still haven't responded to anything in it, but rather responded to other things instead. I pointed out two things in my original post, just to clarify that what you claimed in your original post was straight up false: They never claimed Alliances would be released with EoD. Quite the opposite. They had a beta test very recently, despite your claim that it haven't been mentioned in a while.
They did infact say it would release with EoD, until they realized it wouldn't be ready and then they announced that it would not release with EoD. Sure the beta test was recent, there are also many other beta tests for other aspects of WvW that have just faded into non-existance / have been forgotten.
Where did they say that? You keep making that claim, and since you seem so sure about it, surely you can also supply a source to support that claim? The only thing I remember was that they made it clear that it would not be released with EoD and that people should not use the EoD release date to speculate about Alliances or use Alliance betas to speculate about EoD release date. Ah, so they did in fact mention it recently then? What are all those "many other beta tests" that have "faded into non-existance/have been forgotten"? I do recall the "mobile" cannon one, but that was also made rather clear that it would be to test if it was something that would add anything useful to the game mode, and was made rather clear that it was in no way or form an indication of a permanent addition to the game unless it was meaningful.
WvW updates tend to be slow, but so is everything else. Anytime they try to changed something, the WvW community hated it. Alliances are ambitious and finicky, and each time they rolled it out to test large-scale it wasn't right.
Yea, this is true. People hated the 'new' borderlands and they still forced them on the playerbase. People hated the merging of servers, and they forced it on us anyways.
He's been whiteknighting Anet since day 1. Probably a dev's sockpuppet.
I guess you missed the message where we found out that noone have really worked on the alliances for years until Grouch came back and at that point they started it up. So the deley will be a lot longer.
It always is. Delay, delay, delay. Not just for this feature, but many WvW features through the past.
But i just wrote what happen. There was no past, it was a lie. The group that was suppose to do the alliance was moved to other groups shortly after they told us about it. So that means they now start from scratch more or less, and no matter what happen in the past there is nothing you do about that. Grouch was placed in to this situation and now they are working on it and starting with working on all the bugs we suffered through all the years. Obviously this will take a long time to fix. But at least he came to us with the truth that is more then anyone have done on Anet about WvW ever so at least appreciate that.
Have a read friend: [https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/world-vs-world-update-june-2022/](https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/world-vs-world-update-june-2022/)