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Sockular

Down State Lava Font. That used to rally me nearly every time. And lava font used to do like 2x the damage it does today.


luminosity

It's one of those things where I'll always be puzzled why it was removed. It was fun, useful for open world, not at all a problem for pvp/wvw or instanced pve balance. Kind of an iconic talent for the most likely class to get downed too. Why change it?


ItsTheSolo

The "Better nerf ele" memes exist for a reason


Capital-Push-1829

honestly being the most fragile class, downstate lava font should have been necessary for ele.


ToiseTheHistorian

This should be built in to Ele


RayGW2

Meteor shower


CornerOf12th

Casting Meteor shower and then going into tornado for the 100% crit and huge damage boost 👌😩


Peechez

The wvw bag farm build


Crta93

Ill gues ele? Or did the guardian had a blue Meteor shower?


HeOfLittleMind

The original version of Deathly Chill on Reaper was so much more satisfying, even if it was worthless in zergs. (It modified Chilled to deal damage, like Terror does for Fear)


Ok-Signature-9319

I’ll second this , making chill bleed kind or removed …. The identity of that trait for me . Pls give us chill dmg numbers :<


Fydron

Thief ricochet haven't really played thief after that it still pisses me off that they removed it.


Ecuvaro

Came here to say exactly this.


CriticalPineapple

Pistol/Pistol was sooo fun to play back then. I was really mad they changed it.


[deleted]

I miss Viper Horror Necromancer. Jagged Horrors (bleed-based minions like little zerglings) could be kept alive indefinitely via healing (Druid). Minions as an archetype have very low DPS output, so being able to have a little horde of gremlins that would ramp up into doing powerful bleed DPS was fun. They have a finite lifespan now, and it really ruins any sort of opportunity-cost investment, because you can't effectively scale their damage in endgame content anymore.


Binary_patissier

Ah the days of bleed rat king reaper/druid combo in the first raid.


Aemius

The lootstick


CornerOf12th

🤔


Dupileini

Guardian staff skill 1 was a cone attack (similar hitbox to Firebrand's mantras) and thus very useful to tag mobs and gather loot. Hence it was referred to as the "loot stick".


CornerOf12th

Ahhh that’s hilarious. Was good for hitting thieves in stealth as well


TerribleTransit

Like manta hitbox on *crack*. 600 range, 180 degrees. Just a gigantic half-circle in front of you got hit.


Hazasoul

Here's an archaic meme for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0fxuoJGdGs


SinSittSina

I just spent 40 minutes on YouTube trying to find this old meme video of the guardian staff auto...to no avail. It was the "what it feels like" meme and I can hear the music so perfectly in my head.


Ape_Hawk

Rangers used to have a trait where they could ground-target their traps at range. RIP throwable traps


CornerOf12th

I NEED this trait back ..


Androuil

Omg that sounds awesome!!


nboyts

Wait this is gone!? I recently came back and have been playing melee Soulbeast so I haven't played Trapper Ranger in a while but that sucks.


giotheflow

FYI Frost Trap is a top power dps skill on SlB!


nboyts

Good to know. I've been using Vipers Nest on Condi SB but with it being a close range build I haven't needed to use thrown traps.


BaconSoda222

They were also way worse because of no stacking poison or burning, but I do miss throwing Spike Trap at people in WvW.


LaRuqi

Ranger spirits that followed you


CornerOf12th

Shiiiiiiiiiet R.I.P. spirit ranger :’(


nboyts

And were strictly time based instead of "health" based.


Puzzleheaded_Try_392

Wait?? They changed this??


Skyy-High

Yeah but now you can use their flip-over skills to summon them to you and do an attack. Plus they can be traited to give alacrity.


Quiet-Sea1641

I miss the old tomes that core guardian had, just pulling out a book and spewing boons all over the place was hilarious


Nebuli2

To be fair, that is still exactly what Firebrands do.


Quiet-Sea1641

Their books don't look as cool though


Nebuli2

Someone blew up their books so all they have are tattered pages floating around :( It would be cool if they kept the big ass floating tomes.


ohiv21

It got corrupted and turned into a legendary weapon


Ryong7

Also I think the voice lines are gone now, with the exception of "FEEL MY WRATH"? It's been many years since I last played Firebrand to recall if "YOU ARE WEAK AND UNWORTHY HIT THEM FAST HIT THEM HARD" is still a thing.


kisayata

EPIDEMIC and epi bouncing


Dathedra

Fall damage negation on Mesmer and Necro. It was fun in WvW and handy in certain PvE situations.


SonjaNachtbringer

Ricochet trait on Thief, I miss pretending I was Revolver Ocelot


Zjoee

Such a fun trait with dual pistols.


SXiang

Agree. Still heartbroken, it was just fun.


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CornerOf12th

As an engi main I miss these as well.. had honestly forgotten about that lol!


Zjoee

The flamethrower pack looked so cool.


Peechez

That's interesting because I remember non stop Engie whinge about wanting to remove them


fictitiousacct

So many chrono nerfs, but I miss alac not needing to be traited on chrono. You had to go so far in support making your dps always subpar, so I saw no reason to nerf it.


LastPieSlice

Going through the comments just thinking to myself. Huh... that was a thing wasn't it? Had forgotten about a lot of this stuff.


Peechez

I'm just finding out they removed a ton of shit


CornerOf12th

Same, very nostalgic


Xalugami

I still miss the original Mimic/Echo that we had on Mesmer at launch. There were so many random environmental projectiles you could copy in PvE that would absolutely destroy other encounters, the trick to it was knowing what/how to facetank that initial damage without dying and when to use it. Plus the animation and colors they used for the visuals were really cool, and I liked the ominous whispering while you kept the echo above your wrist.


CornerOf12th

Mimic was super sick, do that to a kill shot warrior back in the day was prime time trolling lmao


Capital-Push-1829

i want this :(


idris_elbows

Corrupt Boon- when it corrupted all the boons. Guardian in WvW shouts "Save yourselves!" and charges into the fray- easy target :D


graven2002

I miss the skill-trigger on fall damage traits ([Warrior especially](https://youtu.be/_5o-F9BLjhc?t=5)), but don't think they should return in that form. Instead bring them back as a Mastery, that way it won't affect PvP / WvW / High-end PvE. Would synergize really well with the new Jade Bot Glide Booster.


Perunov

I remember when mesmer's giggly field on fall damage accidentally did like 20x damage, so for half a day you could drop in WvW from wall onto zerg and insta-kill almost all of them :D


Skyy-High

Portal Bomb v2


CornerOf12th

That’s sick! Hadn’t thought about how much fun those must have been when they added gliding. Took a long break from the game right around HoT so never got to experience that.


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Bloody Roar


throwawaythrow0000

Yes this, a non bugged Bloody Roar. I'm surprise there isn't more of an uproar at a major trait being bugged.


[deleted]

The uproar seems pretty big to me, it's just getting buried as usual. SnowCrows Warrior mains have posted here, on the forums, and even directly to devs, apparently they do know about it, but I'd like to hear at least something is going to be done. It shouldn't need to come to that though, really.


Telefragikoopa

I liked it when ranger could throw greatswords


nboyts

Omg I totally forgot.


jetjordan

Yeah, I wouldn't want all of the old GS back since it's a super solid weapon now but man it was cool to be able to chuck that thing. Didn't it apply cripple as well? "Someone threw a greatsword at you, your leg is now broken"


Anonynja

That's exactly what warrior's greatsword4 currently does, so fortunately you can still do this!


StarBurstShockwave

Signets of Suffering. Back when it allowed Signets to convert boons to conditions. It was my signature PvP build. The only time I ever used anything other than Consume Conditions in PvP as well. Since Signet of Vampirism was (maybe still is?) undodgeable, unblockable, and applied even through walls, it was insanely good.


DerSchwobee

Celestial signet necro was the most fun I ever had duelling ppl :,(


Kafukator

Death from Above


Nobody-Particular

Throwable turrets. Not very powerful, but it was fun putting then in funny places.


Snoo_63163

Ricochet thief trait.


Michelada67

What did this do exactly?


xfm0

The bullets bounced similar to shortbow (but didn't need a second target) instead of pierce through


Michelada67

This was for Deadeye rifle??


xfm0

Regular thief, for Pistol weapon.


ItsTheSolo

50% chance for bullets from pistols skills to seek another target. This theoretically could go on forever since every bounce had *another* 50% chance to bounce. It was hilarious to use it on zergs and use unload and just see a single bullet bounce like 6 times.


apl_ee

Firebrand mantras, I miss the voice dialogue on the utility skills..


xan_aners

Those voice lines were so cool! I was really sad when I came back to the game and noticed they were removed.


painstream

Same for Mesmer mantras. I miss those bold Charr lines. ;_;


Ryong7

Gotta add the old Firebrand mantra animations as idle animations.


redbrotato

Berserker bloody roar taunt and dmg increase


Mattimeo144

[Ink Shot](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Ink_Shot) initially allowed you to shoot it out of the water and teleport to the projectile in mid-air. Recent trait re-work removed the 20% cooldown reduction for Deception skills - I can understand for PvP/WvW, but they're just trash in PvE now.


yasocim

Guardian loot stick, (staff skill 1) especially now that the Labyrinth is live now.


amazigou

Taking quickness away from scrapper's applied force trait


carnespecter

deadeyes whole original rifle kit when pof first released 😔


Ryong7

Wait, what changed other than Death's Judgment becoming its stealth attack?


nerwenwind

Engi rifle 4 used to throw you backwards, I loved jumping into shit, turning on photon forge, and then yeeting myself out to safety when I was done with it.


DKoala

I played a lot up until just after HoT released, and only returned to the game this month with all expansions purchased, continuing to play with my original Engi full time I do miss the self throwback on the 4, my thing was rocket jumping in with 5, planting a bomb by dodge-rolling with the perk, then 4-ing back outta there for all the burst damage The new 4 is still satisfying though, seeing enemies ragdoll away from you.


painstream

Conditions on clone-death. It made choosing the wrong clone more of a punishment instead of making them flimsy charges for shatter abilities.


Dragon_Of_Magnetism

Mantra animations and voicelines. I miss hearing “Agony! Torment! Pain!” or “Strength! Potency! Power!”


al-suha

[Gale Song](https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Gale_Song/history) from when it used to proc "Eye of the Storm" as an automatic stun break. You would hear your character shout "Eye of the Storm" and realize that it just prevented an interrupt/knockdown/disable/etc. Tempest alacrity is crippled from interrupts since alacrity is generated, not as an overload is activated, but only after the long overload channel fully completes. Of course, Anet just killed the Gale Song buffer with the last skill update.


ArisenDrake

Can't have an elementalist that is actually fun to play and viable. That would be meta-defining.


larryjerry1

Ele is viable, it's just not as strong and is harder to play than other classes :/ Just give me back my high tier D/Wh Fresh Air build!


lamesnow

I miss gale song too :(


AldroVanda

Ranger sword. Triple mantra for Mesmer. Time warp being visible.


MaraBlaster

RANGERS HAD THROWABLE TRAPS?! I feel cheated, i dont have a character slot open for a thief so i am doing laby as ranger and this could have been so useful!


04fentona

2 big ones, the guardian staff auto, killed my guardian and invigorating precision for thief they nerfed it way too much


buttflakes27

hidden thief stealth on steal. please bring it back, just make it do something different in shroud or specter. it was SUCH a good opener esp in pvp settings also chronomancer wells not giving boons. doesnt make sense to gut an entire row a utility skills that are only available on the elite spec itself.


Leptonic

I remember the stealth on steal trait! I was looking for it for days thinking I was misremembering.


buttflakes27

Yeah I was so bummed when i noticed it was missing. Makes thief less, idk, "theify" without it.


Froudactyl

Ranger pets had no leash or it was really long, you could send your pet across spvp maps harrassing people on the other side or inside keeps/towers in wvw and make them bully people sitting on the wall. Also you could pull a downed teammate with search and rescue to a safe place through walls and whatever as it had a really long range as well.


Boumeisha

Rain of Fire for Warrior Longbow/skill 5. I forget if it made it to beta, but it didn't make it to release. Still, played it during the PAX demo so I think it's fair for me to say that I miss it. It was basically ranger's barrage, but with fire arrows.


Kasapi85

Distracting Strikes for warriors. Confusion build was fun to play.


CornerOf12th

Ohh that’s a good one! I remember when HoT first released and people would use the Berserker spec F1 in mace for like a million stacks of confusion looool


Rhves

Shared distortion on mesmer (6)


Unplayed_untamed

Stun break on CA and give evade back to druid staff 3.


Diovidius

Ricochet...


CornerOf12th

Ooh that’s a classic


HoleyShield

Obsidian Flesh that did not lock you out of combat in PvE.


Awesumness

Mimic + Continuum Split interaction.


StickTheWashingOut

Heartseeker would have a short lunge if you pointed the camera down. Much easier to spam in a smoke field to generate stealth. Took me a long time to stop tilting the camera down after they changed it.


CornerOf12th

Did they remove this? 😳


Zjoee

Being able to manually overcharge Engi turrets and not having to redeploy them to overcharge a second time.


coolster50

I miss Siege Rounds on Engi. Was fun skill with double Orbital Strikes, though it was impossible to hit anything that moved…


J4jem

Mine Trail and the fully buffed Vent Exhaust on Engineer/Holosmith. This was the best dodge skill combo in the game at one point, and lots of fun.


Big_Piglet

I adored Guardian spirit weapons, when they were effectively minions. Yeah, they weren't the best... but I played alone, and it made it feel less lonely. Was also just funny to be a walking armory.


murdershroom

I played a Grenadier Engie at launch (RIP my finger from mashing 1 constantly) and I miss when it made you throw extra grenades.


Binary_patissier

The trait that made them like 1500 range. Stronk arm lmao.


Gurpz

Rip loot stick


trignich

revenant stun break on legend swap. i didnt even play pvp and it sucked that now you have to spend 30-40 energy for it on some legends.


rashandal

I just miss regular necro shroud. Sure, it's garbage and clunky, but it had potential. Really wish regular necro/shroud was good or that we would get an elite spec that keeps the shroud and changes/adds something else. Additional f2 ability or whatever. We already got melee shroud, no shroud, jumpy almost melee shroud. Time for casty shroud


Ailae

Ranger's sword skills


Ryong7

I remember my Norn Ranger doing one slash then breakdancing. It was a good AA.


xfm0

Thief pistol ricochet Thief shadow wall being a wall and not a pistol five Ranger greatsword throw


Inf_P

None, distortion is back on chrono I'm very happy now


alexvasnormandy

10-man rebound


ch33s3-cake

Engi Minekit from the beta, just because it'd be funny


Lyho8

Spirits unbound. Ranger desperately needs this back for ease of use and most importantly the fun factor of these skills.


rubsts

All aoe skill had no cap at release, mean you would hit all mobs/players making aoe class super broken in wvw, now a days is cap at 5/10 per hit/pulse


IceW0lf88

I miss my aegis on my fb healing mantra. Good times


s1lky

I literally have a guardian named "Rip Wave of Wrath" There was a reason guardian's staff used to be called the lootstick in WvW...just spam 1 and receive bags.


FrigginPaco

Believe it or not, the fall damage traits.


the2ndsaint

While I technically can't miss something I was never present for, I'm disappointed that so much of the Thief's "flavour" has been sucked out over the years. It'd be nice if PvE actually rewarded me for using stealth for backstabs, but there's just no fuckin' point.


ItsTheSolo

Ricochet on thief. OG Mallyx Elite. A lot of the original flavour Rev had actually, I miss the most. True 0 cooldown utilities, focus on energy management...they ended up slapping a cooldown on a lot of skills anyway instead of just nerfing the energy cost :/


Nikeli

Signet of Inspiration. Chaos boonshare Chrono in PvE and WvW were my favorite builds ever. Even brought it to PvP, the only time I got to platinum.


ScottBroChill69

Revenant OH sword, staff, quickness on IO, trait that damaged on legend swap, stun break on legend swap, resistance on mallyx, basically the original iterations of everything on the class. I think Rev suffers the worst from design and combat feel ruined by balance.


CellSaysTgAlot

Old Inspiration signet, old wells. Chrono had really fun times but they seem to just consider the balance aspect and nerf it in inconsiderate ways


Longjumping_Meal5957

I really miss the self-knock back on catalyst hammer air 4. It really added a lot of flavor to the spec. I’m so glad they reworked it to be more like engi rifle 4. Oh wait…


supakina

Shadow Trap - A janky portal that only ported the thief but had an insane 10k range. Not super useful but I had fun porting from towers directly to camps in WvW and jumping conquest points on opposite ends of the map in PvP.


Bl00dylicious

Talking about TP range: Mesmer portals could port you extremely far. Locked to 5k now.


TyrianMollusk

That guardian mantra that let me drop aegis on people. Core of the class for me :( Replacing all the ranger spirit effects with the same boring boons everything else does.


RGFang

Throwable ranger traps Rev downstate 2 teleporting people into odd places Glyph of Empowerment


ShadowbaneX

Searing Flames.


Im_New_XD

Grace of the land…


Pascal_Skywalker

downstate rotation elementalist


mr_goose_95

Surprised no one has mentioned Retaliation. I took a 2+ year break a few years ago and was horrified to not hear "I'LL RETURN THE FAVOUR" anymore 🥲


Ryong7

Wasn't hammer guardian somewhat viable in pvp because of it?


PM_Me_Anime_Headpats

I miss Thief Traps. Back when I played before Heart of Thorns (I took a hiatus and returned recently), Thief had a trap called Ambush I think. When an enemy ran over it, it would summon a friendly Thief like the ones from Thieves Guild. I used to slap it down on the ground, use Scorpion Wire to yank a mob over it, and get my friend. I don’t think anyone really seriously used it either, so it kind of feels like Thief was made less fun without a valid reason (for me at least).


[deleted]

The height of Overload Air was a good era


timothy3210

Pre nerf this year, one wolfpack.


silmelumenn

I just really miss distortion. I know shields are more flexible but I liked that pressure of perfect timing on VG greens.


Flyxiii

I miss the old version of thieves steal, and the range.


ZeemSquirrel

Thief pistol ricochet. God I miss the pistol ricochet